Comments on: Quote of the Day: Jay Larkin Suicide Watch http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/04/29/quote-of-the-day-jay-larkin-suicide-watch/ Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:30:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Bert http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/04/29/quote-of-the-day-jay-larkin-suicide-watch/#comment-8643 Bert Fri, 09 May 2008 03:53:39 +0000 http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/04/29/quote-of-the-day-jay-larkin-suicide-watch/#comment-8643 Ben Rothwell ranked 10th in the world right now at heavyweight I believe. I think he is also on a 13 fight win streak. Ben Rothwell ranked 10th in the world right now at heavyweight I believe. I think he is also on a 13 fight win streak.

]]> By: Tonya Evinger's Penis' http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/04/29/quote-of-the-day-jay-larkin-suicide-watch/#comment-8622 Tonya Evinger's Penis' Thu, 08 May 2008 22:28:49 +0000 http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/04/29/quote-of-the-day-jay-larkin-suicide-watch/#comment-8622 Jeff may have been exaggerating a bit to make his point, but Joe Son is exaggerated tremendously to say that Jay Hieron would school Jon Fitch. Are you serious? And Matyushenko had his chance in the UFC, and was average, at best. Just because Hieron and Vladdy might be decent fighters doesn't mean they are anywhere near the top. Both would be cut from the UFC within two fights if they fought there. And those are the BEST examples that the IFL has. The rest don't even measure up that high. Jeff may have been exaggerating a bit to make his point, but Joe Son is exaggerated tremendously to say that Jay Hieron would school Jon Fitch. Are you serious? And Matyushenko had his chance in the UFC, and was average, at best. Just because Hieron and Vladdy might be decent fighters doesn’t mean they are anywhere near the top. Both would be cut from the UFC within two fights if they fought there. And those are the BEST examples that the IFL has. The rest don’t even measure up that high.

]]> By: Joe Son http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/04/29/quote-of-the-day-jay-larkin-suicide-watch/#comment-8086 Joe Son Sat, 03 May 2008 03:42:03 +0000 http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/04/29/quote-of-the-day-jay-larkin-suicide-watch/#comment-8086 Jeff, I think you're getting carried away. The IFL's production value sucks. But they have some good fighters. Vladdy Matyushenko would beat a lot of dudes in the UFC's 205-lbs division, and Jay Hieron would school somebody like Jon Fitch. Just because they fight in a bullshit league, it doesn't mean they're all bullshit fighters. Jeff, I think you’re getting carried away. The IFL’s production value sucks. But they have some good fighters. Vladdy Matyushenko would beat a lot of dudes in the UFC’s 205-lbs division, and Jay Hieron would school somebody like Jon Fitch. Just because they fight in a bullshit league, it doesn’t mean they’re all bullshit fighters.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/04/29/quote-of-the-day-jay-larkin-suicide-watch/#comment-8080 Jeff Sat, 03 May 2008 02:28:33 +0000 http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/04/29/quote-of-the-day-jay-larkin-suicide-watch/#comment-8080 That made me laugh a little bit. “As good as MMA fighting ever gets.”? I hope that sentence was cut in half. He clearly meant “As good an MMA card as one could accumulate of the old & washed up or the young and unskilled.” It hurts when you’re an amateur MMA fighter and you sit down and watch the IFL and start cursing, neigh begging, at the guy what to do yet eventually forfeit the idea of him having any clue. Maybe if the guy hadn’t spent the latter part of the week pounding 40’s and telling bar moths how he’s “Gonna be on TV!” or doing monologue for his VH1 coke addict show he could have got in decent condition and made it out of the second round. If UFC was the major league, I’d have a difficult time even calling IFL the minors. More like a “retirement community”. Apparently my Tivo agrees with me. Whenever I try to search for an IFL event it digitally vomits and tells me it's not happening. That made me laugh a little bit. “As good as MMA fighting ever gets.”? I hope that sentence was cut in half. He clearly meant “As good an MMA card as one could accumulate of the old & washed up or the young and unskilled.” It hurts when you’re an amateur MMA fighter and you sit down and watch the IFL and start cursing, neigh begging, at the guy what to do yet eventually forfeit the idea of him having any clue. Maybe if the guy hadn’t spent the latter part of the week pounding 40’s and telling bar moths how he’s “Gonna be on TV!” or doing monologue for his VH1 coke addict show he could have got in decent condition and made it out of the second round. If UFC was the major league, I’d have a difficult time even calling IFL the minors. More like a “retirement community”. Apparently my Tivo agrees with me. Whenever I try to search for an IFL event it digitally vomits and tells me it’s not happening.

]]> By: Tonya Evinger's Penis http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/04/29/quote-of-the-day-jay-larkin-suicide-watch/#comment-7713 Tonya Evinger's Penis Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:03:30 +0000 http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/04/29/quote-of-the-day-jay-larkin-suicide-watch/#comment-7713 Sounds like a lot of sour grapes from the head of a league that most knew would fail from its inception. I think his depiction of the UFC is just a straw man argument that has nothing to do with the UFC. How does "dancing girls" and a "light show" at all describe the UFC. Much closer to Pride, if you ask me. Then he goes on to beat that straw man down without ever addressing the real reasons why people prefer the UFC. Larkin says that his last show was "as good as MMA fighting ever gets", but that is far from the truth. That is like wondering why nobody watches the WNBA, because the president of that orginazation feels it is as good as basketball gets. I don't mean to insult IFL fighters, but most are not anywhere near the top ten in their respective weight classes. That means they aren't really in the top 50 - 70 fighters in the entire sport. Nobody complains that all of the audience is busy watching Roger Federer beat Andy Roddick on center court at Wimbledon, when they should be watching some pre-lim qualifying match at a small tournament between the #62 ranked player and the #74 ranked player on the pro tournament, because that is "as good as tennis gets." It takes personality and ability to get noticed, but most of it is ability. And the UFC has managed to get the most fighters with the best abilities. Nobody wants to watch something equivalent of semi-pro. When a few other leagues manage to get top ranked fighters, their buzz increases, as well. Maybe Larkin should consider his inferior product before blaming his failure on an audience entranced by pretty lights. Sounds like a lot of sour grapes from the head of a league that most knew would fail from its inception.

I think his depiction of the UFC is just a straw man argument that has nothing to do with the UFC. How does “dancing girls” and a “light show” at all describe the UFC. Much closer to Pride, if you ask me. Then he goes on to beat that straw man down without ever addressing the real reasons why people prefer the UFC.

Larkin says that his last show was “as good as MMA fighting ever gets”, but that is far from the truth. That is like wondering why nobody watches the WNBA, because the president of that orginazation feels it is as good as basketball gets.

I don’t mean to insult IFL fighters, but most are not anywhere near the top ten in their respective weight classes. That means they aren’t really in the top 50 - 70 fighters in the entire sport. Nobody complains that all of the audience is busy watching Roger Federer beat Andy Roddick on center court at Wimbledon, when they should be watching some pre-lim qualifying match at a small tournament between the #62 ranked player and the #74 ranked player on the pro tournament, because that is “as good as tennis gets.”

It takes personality and ability to get noticed, but most of it is ability. And the UFC has managed to get the most fighters with the best abilities. Nobody wants to watch something equivalent of semi-pro. When a few other leagues manage to get top ranked fighters, their buzz increases, as well.

Maybe Larkin should consider his inferior product before blaming his failure on an audience entranced by pretty lights.

]]> By: Aevilgar http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/04/29/quote-of-the-day-jay-larkin-suicide-watch/#comment-7701 Aevilgar Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:50:21 +0000 http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/04/29/quote-of-the-day-jay-larkin-suicide-watch/#comment-7701 It saddens me the lack of support for the IFL. They DO put on great shows. But the "team" format I guess is what you don't like. I do realize that in MMA, it is just you and your opponent in the ring, but there is a TEAM of people that help you get there. And it isn't the IFL that names the teams, it is the gym that names the teams. Militech named his team the Silverbacks, not Jay Larkin. I have always watched and enjoyed the IFL since it began. But on all the boards all I see is people who don't watch it because they don't like it. But that is just wrong. How can you not like something if you haven't ever seen it? Yet people jump all over the new "DREAM" promotion, even though it is on the OTHER SIDE OF THE PLANET. You get to watch a crappy stream at 4am. I'd rather support a LOCAL promotion, one that puts on shows places I can see it live, or that I can watch LIVE on my HDTV. A 2"x2" video stream just isn't my cup of tea. I watch all the MMA I can get my eyes on. And still I don't know half the fighters names, whether it be in the UFC, EXC, or IFL. And in MMA it is something like a risky game putting too much stock on one fighter, because they can get injured pretty easily, ie. Chuck Liddel, Shogun, and the long list of other big name fighters who constantly kill your UFC main event by getting hurt. The IFL lets the fighting speak for itself. True fans of MMA would realize this, instead of looking for the"charcter" or "drama" that they miss because they stopped wacthing wrastlin'. The "fans" who boo when a fight goes to the ground are the same "fans" that are going to bury the IFL, EXC, and any other organization that isn't the UFC or sponsored by Affliction. It saddens me the lack of support for the IFL. They DO put on great shows. But the “team” format I guess is what you don’t like. I do realize that in MMA, it is just you and your opponent in the ring, but there is a TEAM of people that help you get there.
And it isn’t the IFL that names the teams, it is the gym that names the teams. Militech named his team the Silverbacks, not Jay Larkin.
I have always watched and enjoyed the IFL since it began. But on all the boards all I see is people who don’t watch it because they don’t like it. But that is just wrong. How can you not like something if you haven’t ever seen it? Yet people jump all over the new “DREAM” promotion, even though it is on the OTHER SIDE OF THE PLANET. You get to watch a crappy stream at 4am. I’d rather support a LOCAL promotion, one that puts on shows places I can see it live, or that I can watch LIVE on my HDTV. A 2″x2″ video stream just isn’t my cup of tea.
I watch all the MMA I can get my eyes on. And still I don’t know half the fighters names, whether it be in the UFC, EXC, or IFL. And in MMA it is something like a risky game putting too much stock on one fighter, because they can get injured pretty easily, ie. Chuck Liddel, Shogun, and the long list of other big name fighters who constantly kill your UFC main event by getting hurt. The IFL lets the fighting speak for itself. True fans of MMA would realize this, instead of looking for the”charcter” or “drama” that they miss because they stopped wacthing wrastlin’. The “fans” who boo when a fight goes to the ground are the same “fans” that are going to bury the IFL, EXC, and any other organization that isn’t the UFC or sponsored by Affliction.

]]> By: tim sylvia's pussy http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/04/29/quote-of-the-day-jay-larkin-suicide-watch/#comment-7690 tim sylvia's pussy Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:32:19 +0000 http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/04/29/quote-of-the-day-jay-larkin-suicide-watch/#comment-7690 i agree that character builds a fan following.. the IFL doesnt promote its stars like other organizations do. and also mma is an individual sport, and the IFL tries way too hard to make it a team thing. the concept just doesnt work. i agree with CP, ive never once been excited about an IFL event like i have for other organizations. although i have seen some great fights in the IFL, i only watch it if there is absolutely nothing else on television. i agree that character builds a fan following.. the IFL doesnt promote its stars like other organizations do. and also mma is an individual sport, and the IFL tries way too hard to make it a team thing. the concept just doesnt work. i agree with CP, ive never once been excited about an IFL event like i have for other organizations. although i have seen some great fights in the IFL, i only watch it if there is absolutely nothing else on television.

]]> By: MrFeexit http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/04/29/quote-of-the-day-jay-larkin-suicide-watch/#comment-7656 MrFeexit Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:19:30 +0000 http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/04/29/quote-of-the-day-jay-larkin-suicide-watch/#comment-7656 The first thing Larkin should have looked into was how to get a clue. It's true, the IFL has had some good fights, that said I could not give you a single name of any of those fighters. It's not the fighters fault that onerous falls on the promoter. The UFC has done a bang up job of building up a variety of personalites so that everyone can pick a favorite. The IFL...not so much. Like Ron the Don says....complaining won't fix it. No one wants to see a watered down version of the UFC. We want fight leagues that are on par with or at least closely resemble that formula. Bottom line is it works. The first thing Larkin should have looked into was how to get a clue. It’s true, the IFL has had some good fights, that said I could not give you a single name of any of those fighters. It’s not the fighters fault that onerous falls on the promoter. The UFC has done a bang up job of building up a variety of personalites so that everyone can pick a favorite. The IFL…not so much. Like Ron the Don says….complaining won’t fix it. No one wants to see a watered down version of the UFC. We want fight leagues that are on par with or at least closely resemble that formula. Bottom line is it works.

]]> By: Ron The Don http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/04/29/quote-of-the-day-jay-larkin-suicide-watch/#comment-7649 Ron The Don Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:45:22 +0000 http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/04/29/quote-of-the-day-jay-larkin-suicide-watch/#comment-7649 The IFL's problem all starts with its management. Their failure to promote their young talent and failure to promote their company to the traditional and non-traditional are the reasons they're struggling. Complaining about it won't fix it either. The IFL’s problem all starts with its management. Their failure to promote their young talent and failure to promote their company to the traditional and non-traditional are the reasons they’re struggling. Complaining about it won’t fix it either.

]]> By: Joe Son http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/04/29/quote-of-the-day-jay-larkin-suicide-watch/#comment-7640 Joe Son Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:59:17 +0000 http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/04/29/quote-of-the-day-jay-larkin-suicide-watch/#comment-7640 I agree with Baked Potato (wow, so it's come to the point in my life where I'm writing things like that in all seriousness). I didn't think of that before, but yeah, not even just chicks at Super Bowl parties, how many NFL fans, guys with season tickets and decals on their trucks, really understand the 4-3 defense? There are always going to be the afficionados and the casual fans in any sport. You can't just market to the afficionados, but it isn't smart to blame them for not buying tickets either. I think it's telling that the IFL has been around for, what, two years or so, and they're basically throwing up their hands and blaming the public for their failures. As if, well, we tried this one approach and it didn't work so we're all out of ideas. Instead of looking inward and trying to figure out where they're going wrong, Larkin would rather point the finger at fans, the people he needs most. He doesn't understand us and he can't see why we're not lining up to give him our money. What's worse, he can't see that those two things are connected. I agree with Baked Potato (wow, so it’s come to the point in my life where I’m writing things like that in all seriousness). I didn’t think of that before, but yeah, not even just chicks at Super Bowl parties, how many NFL fans, guys with season tickets and decals on their trucks, really understand the 4-3 defense? There are always going to be the afficionados and the casual fans in any sport. You can’t just market to the afficionados, but it isn’t smart to blame them for not buying tickets either.

I think it’s telling that the IFL has been around for, what, two years or so, and they’re basically throwing up their hands and blaming the public for their failures. As if, well, we tried this one approach and it didn’t work so we’re all out of ideas. Instead of looking inward and trying to figure out where they’re going wrong, Larkin would rather point the finger at fans, the people he needs most. He doesn’t understand us and he can’t see why we’re not lining up to give him our money. What’s worse, he can’t see that those two things are connected.

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