The Unpopular Opinion: Why Sean Sherk Will Beat B.J. Penn
(’You’re getting to be such a big boy. Pretty soon I won’t be able to do this anymore.’)
I realize the headline has some of you worked up into a frenzy, but just give me a chance to explain. B.J. Penn is a wonderfully gifted fighter. Let’s start there. In fact, let’s go further. B.J. Penn is a truly great fighter, easily one of the best lightweights in the world. Most of the other guys in the lightweight top ten would stand little chance against him, and the same goes for a few of the guys in the welterweight top ten.
I don’t think Sean Sherk is objectively a better fighter than B.J. Penn. I do, however, think that Sean Sherk can beat B.J. Penn on Saturday night, and I’d like to explain why.
Styles make fights. It’s a cliché, but it’s true. So much in MMA is dependent on how one man’s style matches up against another’s, and Sherk is a bad match for Penn.
If there’s any type of fighter Penn has struggled against, it’s wrestlers. Matt Hughes and Georges St. Pierre were both bigger and stronger than Penn, but they are also both excellent wrestlers, and they both beat Penn by outworking and outlasting him. You can give him a pass for having a broken rib or bad cardio in those fights, but the blame for both of those problems rests with Penn.
A powerhouse of a wrestler is tough on a jiu-jitsu fighter because his takedown ability and takedown defense makes it difficult to gain top position on him, which means that if you can’t beat him on the feet and can’t sweep or submit him on the mat, your chances of winning a decision aren’t good.
I’m not saying Penn’s standup isn’t better than Sherk’s. It is. But here’s a fun quiz: who’s the last person Penn beat by TKO? The answer is Paul Creighton, and it was at UFC 37 in 2002.
You could argue that he beat Joe Stevenson with strikes before finishing him with a choke, but Sherk isn’t Stevenson. To beat him you have to either overpower him and be a better wrestler than he is, or you have to become the first person to knock him out or submit him.
Penn probably isn’t going to KO him, and a decision is unlikely unless he can nullify Sherk’s takedowns. His best chance is submission, and Sherk has never been submitted.
While we’re on the subject of things Sherk has never done, let’s look at something Penn has never done, which is win a five-round fight. He’s gone five rounds twice in his career. The first was a decision loss against Jens Pulver, and the second was a draw against Caol Uno, which was over five years ago.
Sherk’s gone five rounds three times. He dropped the first via decision to Matt Hughes, and he won the last two against Hermes Franca and Kenny Florian respectively.
That doesn’t mean Penn can’t win a five-round fight, or that Sherk can’t lose one. It just means that one of those men is used to it and has proven he can do it, while the other hasn’t. Unlike many people, I don’t believe Penn’s cardio will be a major factor in this fight. He seems to be training harder than ever before, taking his preparation and his career as seriously as many of us wished he would have from the start. He’ll be in shape for this fight.
But there’s a difference between being physically ready and being mentally ready. Penn is physically ready, but what will be going through his mind in round four if he hasn’t been able to dominate Sherk or put him away like he expected? What if Sherk keeps after the takedowns until he gets them, then puts Penn against the fence and grinds away at him? Will Penn start telling himself that it’s not fair for Sherk to win a decision this way? Will he begin to accept defeat little by little?
What we know about B.J. Penn is that “The Prodigy” is about as apt a nickname as one could imagine. He is uncommonly talented. He has gifts that surpass those of someone like Sean Sherk. In some capacity, I expect that Sherk knows this too. That’s why he won’t depend on simply being better. He’ll have to depend on being more resilient, more tenacious, and willing to do what Penn won’t.
Sean Sherk’s style is rarely pretty and sometimes monotonous, but unlike pure ability it is something that you can depend on. A victory for Penn would likely offer more finality and be more pleasing for the fans, but that doesn’t mean it will happen. Sometimes you win by being naturally better than your opponent, and sometimes you win by not going away. Sometimes.
(-Ben Fowlkes)
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May 20th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Well written. You make some very, very solid points. I will not be shocked at all if Sherk wins this… Great site, thanks.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Great write up Ben. I’ve been telling everyone who would listen that Sherk has a real shot in this fight. Sherk’s wrestling isn’t good, it’s suffocating. If Sherk can keep the fight on the mat, he’s going to walk away with the strap. It all depends on how easily Sherk gets the takedowns. Sherk is tough to submit, partly because he has no neck. Realistically I think BJ’s best chance of winning will be standing. BJ will have to get a TKO or a submission within the first couple rounds. If they make it to round three, Sherk’s odds of winning increase dramatically.
I still think BJ is the favorite, but I think this fight is close.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Hope that piece of shit Penn gasses in 2nd and ends up twice as bloody as stevenson
May 20th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
What’s a matter Abdi….?…..Did BJ offend your steriod taking community..?
BJ Penn in the 3rd round…!
May 20th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
What’s a matter Abdi….?…..Did BJ offend your steroid taking community..?
BJ Penn in the 3rd round…!
May 20th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
I’ve been waiting for this essay Ben. And I agree with the conclusions it highlights. I think that form a positional point of view you have to think that BJ is going to try and twist around under an arm to take back control. At least that’s what Penn’s track record indicates, and why not?
But that’s another thing no one has done to Sherk, pass an arm. Lay and Pray isn’t so named simply because of the notion that such a stylist is praying that the judges award him a decision. It is also called lay and Pray because the practitioner keeps his elbows bent and hands close together, appearing as if in prayer. And preventing the man on the bottom from either straightening the elbow and getting an armbar, or moving the hand outside the shoulder to secure Kimura or Americana.
I think the only road Penn can take to victory - and he totally can - is to win a decision on the feet. Unlike you, I don’t think the biggest obstacle to that will be Sherk’s takedowns, relentless as he may be Sherk is not GSP. Rather, I think it will be BJ Penn’s own pride.
I imagine that Penn has himself convinced that he is so much more skillful on the floor than Sherk is that flexibility and technique can be relied upon. But those things only work when the top man is trying to pass, is moving his hips and giving the BJJ player momentum to work with. Sherk? He’s going to be deep in prayer.
If Penn can find his hook and continually circle towards Sherk’s rear leg, he can take the match. I think easily, even. The sad part is that I don’t see Penn finding his hook, because I doubt he’s even going to look.
May 20th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Lay and Pay athletes alwas have a shot at winning a decision.
Penn is active on bottom or top while sherk when on hes back is at a loss.
BJ 2 round TKO
May 20th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
I will buy into your hype! WAR SHERK!
May 20th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
k two things GSP out wrestled Sherk and from what I hear (I never saw the fight) just plain beat his ass in ufc 56. GSP had major truble with Penn (4 months later) even when he was bigger cause the fight was at 170.
second thing is the KO fact. If you watch his fight against Hermes Franca He was very close to beening KO’d a couple times and if Franca could keep it on their feet for more then seconds each round (which I think BJ will do) we might have seen a KO.
Dont get me wrong I’m not saying this will be a walk in the park and Sherk doesnt have a chance cuz that is just retarded to say when talking about any MMA fight. But I do think BJ will win 2 round TKO or choke
May 20th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
This is a very convincing argument. Convincing for some, but not for me. This editorial piece would have held true with the BJ Penn of old, but BJ has evolved into something more dangerous. The Jens Pulver fight really got him going. Joe Stevenson- even more so. BJ is going to impress the hell out of everyone, fans and critics alike. BJ is better mentally and physically than he has ever been. BJ has more weapons. He is better at everything except for wrestling. I’ll concede the cardio advantage to Sherk too, as he could just as easily be known as the Cardio Shark (insert image of Shark with leotard). BJ’s physical conditioning will not be an issue with the personal nature of this fight. With BJ on his back and Sherk on top, BJ is still dangerous. Reverse the positioning, and Sherk is in a world of trouble and offers no real threat. BJ has tasted blood (literally) and has transformed into a man eater. Menu of the day: Muscle Shark, served rare.
May 20th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Jesus H. Christ this site has some fantastic writers… keep up the good work CP and I’ll keep coming back every day (all day usually).
Back on topic… I’ve believed Sherk all along so that aside I also think he has a better chance of winning than BJ. I won’t go further because um… the subject pretty much just got owned.
WAR SHERK!
May 20th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Ben man your awesome youve taken a young potato baked it added sour cream baken bits and shredded chesse and have added some real deep writing thats actually worth reading. good job man kudos to you and the potato……. BJ didnt give into the superior wrestler that is GSP and Sherk is no GSP, he gave GSP the beating of his life and is gonna finish that roided twat waffle that is Sherk.
May 20th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Well written, but you can still fuck off Ben. Sherk is a piece of shit human failure. He is a cheater. And doesn’t deserve the right to be in the cage.
May 20th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Ok, you convinced me. I’m putting money on Sherk. Well, fantasy money, anyway. (I play over @ mmaplayground.com.)
May 20th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
woooooooow…i bet that hydraulic force nuthug made Penn grimmace.
May 20th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
(in ref to Aaron’s post)
May 20th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
I find flaw in “one of those men is used to it” re: the 5 round fight. Sherk is 2-1 in 5 rounders, Penn is 0-2 in 5 rounders. Considering the number of fights that they have between the 2 of them, it’s simply not a stat worth discussing.
Sherk could win, it’s true. I feel it’s unlikely though. Penn has gotten better. He has focused. He’s not fucking with weight anymore. All of this, plus, look how fucking young Penn is. It’s crazy. I’ve been watching Penn in the UFC for years, and he is still just older than a kid. I’d say that Penn is here, and sticking, for a long time to come.
May 20th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
I bet it would shock you how many fighters cycle on and off of steroids. I’m pretty sure Shawn had some knowledge of what he was taking.
He got caught, he got suspended and spent a good bit of money on lawyers and whatnot. He is a good fighter and he does deserve to fight.
Steroids aren’t bad for you as long as you go by a doctors prescription and don’t over due it. If I was into body building and wasn’t competing professionally I would take them.
May 20th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Insightful comments. Never looked at the facts like that. gjob
May 20th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
The only way Penn is going to get tired is if he spends a lot of energy trying to finish Sherk. BJ is an extremely versed in finishing his opponents.. so if you look at it, the only way Sherk can outlast him is by getting Penn tired, which means surviving his wrath in the first few rounds..
May 20th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Sherk and Penn is like a mini Ken and Tito
May 20th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Your’re sort of missing a key factor, is a sherk on steroids, the same fighter as a sherk without roids.
Shouldn’t your analysis include this key ingredient?
Flawed analysis, sorry to say.
May 20th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
You make alot of good points but lets not forget Sherk is coming off a steroid suspension. How well will his body handle the change? Besides BJ beat the hell out of Huges, he just gassed in the 3rd round. I think he HAS rededicated himself and is ready to rule the division. I wouldn’t be suprised in Sherk can pull off the win but I doubt it.
May 20th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Very nice writeup. I will have to agree. If you watch fights of each fighter. You can see that sherk has constitancy. Im a pro penn fan but sherk is no pushover. Those tacklesto floor that sherrk does is going to wind out penn for sure.
May 20th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Sherk was the champion before he lost his belt over a machine fuck-up.
He took 3 lie detector tests and passed them all. Are you telling me Sherk has trained to fool a lie detector? And that’s more believable to you? Come on people cut the guy some slack.
Sherk will take back his belt with ferocity, ala GSP/Serra 2.
May 20th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
@ Jeff,
Go fuck yourself, you probably believe your girlfriend hasnt fucked another dude either, get off this page.
May 20th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Slick trolling KC.
I just realized I inadvertantly compared BJ Penn to Matt Serra. Sorry BJ no offense was intended.
May 20th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
God damn. I think CP needs to put a 150 character limit on the comments for all these loquacious types. That being said……..
Ben just talked me into ordering this PPV.
May 20th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
And if my girlfriend passed 3 lie detector tests, hell yeah I’d believe her.
May 20th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Lie detector tests aren’t, if I recall correctly, even used in courts anymore cause its been proven that if you stay calm you can beat them. I’ll have to ask my brother in laws lawyer friends soon to find out. So sherk stayed home talking to himself in the mirror telling himself he didnt do it.. and BOOM, passing grade so to speak. 3 tests just tells me that he was so defensive that he over reacted. i mean who takes 3, cause if its true 1 should be plenty. plus, I want to know what questions were asked. cause if it was his police buddy or they didnt ask THE right questions, its 3 pieces of useless paper then.
That being said, their BOTH going to have their hands full on sat. and the first 2-3 rounds should be some of the best of the year.. I smell a bloodbath. I’ll be wearing my prodigy shirt, but accept that i could be disappointed.
May 20th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
BJ Penn by gogoplata in the third minute of round two. Yup, that specific.
Sherk is a boring “fighter” and a steroids freak (look at pictures of his previous and his pictures post-being-caught.)
Just as most wrestlers in the UFC, Sherk knows how to take you down and keep you down and not much else.
If the athletic commissions bothered to figure out how to score ground fighting, rather than giving so much weight to take-downs they would give points for submission attempts and for the ability of the person in the bottom to neutralize the fighter on top. Sherk would have lost all decisions in his last thre fights to Kenny Florian, Nick Diaz and Hermes Franca. In all these fights Florian, Diaz and Franca stayed way busier on their backs and were more aggressive off their backs than Sherk. Florian and Diaz bloodied Sherk up good from their backs and Franca never stopped going for submissions and nearly had him a couple of times, even if he lost the last round after he gassed out, he had won the rest of the fight.
A submission that you have to escape from is worth as much as a kick or a punch.
May 20th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
# Vess Says:
May 20th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Your’re sort of missing a key factor, is a sherk on steroids, the same fighter as a sherk without roids.
Shouldn’t your analysis include this key ingredient?
Flawed analysis, sorry to say.
Vess, Sherks bloodtest had a very, very small amount of nandrolone in it. that means if he took it, he took it close to 18 months ago..that means he was as clean as he is now my friend. there is no advantage of having that low levels of nandrolone in your body
May 20th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Damnit Ben, before I read this, I was going to put money on Penn Rd 2 Sub. Now I just don’t know.
May 20th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Your making me second guessing myself putting money on bj penn, damn you lol
May 20th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
I think everyone is blowing their wad too early on this one trying to pick a winner. I plan on a few wings, a few more beers, watching a good fight, and rubbing one out afterwards while pausing my dvr on one of the ring girl shots.
May 20th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
@ Jeff,
Nice comeback, I lol, you can stay ; )
May 20th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Buttflies says “Vess, Sherks bloodtest had a very, very small amount of nandrolone in it. that means if he took it, he took it close to 18 months ago..that means he was as clean as he is now my friend. there is no advantage of having that low levels of nandrolone in your body”.
It definitely affects training and recoop(sp) time.
Furthermore, have there been any studies that determined how long the effects of steroids last after ceasing the ingestion of the banned substance. Do the effects of steroids just stop after taking them or is there some residual effect and for how long.
This is probably the reason he got caught; he was trying to get the full effect of his previous steriod use and incorrectly timed his off cycle.
May 20th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
totally agree, and have agreed. lets think motivation. penn wants simply to prove himself and pad his career. he apparently doesnt like steroids. sherk wants to get his name out of the mud, and completely destroy a man bent on destroying *his* career. it’s anyone’s game.
May 20th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Awesome write up, and even though I am a BJ fan, i can totally see the fight going that route… If Sherk can negate all of BJ’s advantages by controling him on the ground he can take the W. But I wouldn’t really say that BJ has more trouble with good wrestlers. Penn/Hughes I, where he made short work of maybe the “greatest WW of all time” (maybe…). He also dominated Daddy, who has a pretty similar skill set to Sherk. You also have to look at BJ’s other 2 losses, they came from guys known for their standup. Granted Machida is 3 weight divisions higher than BJ, but he still out pointed BJ on the striking. The Pulver fight… I don’t even know what to say… but yeah 2 guys known for their striking. Can you say that he has trouble with strikers and wrestlers?
Here’s how I think things will play out. I don’t see BJ winning by armbar or kimura due to Sherk’s strength and shorter arms. TKO? Maybe but only GSP has stopped Sherk. I’d probly say RNC early in the third. I wouldn’t put money down on it though.
May 20th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
I don’t think I’m wrong to say that ring girl Edith is a horse-face with a bad name. Great bod, Mr Ed face, horrible name. That’s my assessment.
And yes, I’d hit it. Just wouldn’t parade around town with it.
May 20th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
wow, so much to digest in the comments….
# kim Couture is a cunt Says:
Well written, but you can still fuck off Ben. Sherk is a piece of shit human failure. He is a cheater. And doesn’t deserve the right to be in the cage.”
odd that he passed tests directly before his fight. also odd that people inline infront of him failed from the same drug…
# Duckie Says:
Lie detector tests aren’t, if I recall correctly, even used in courts anymore cause its been proven that if you stay calm you can beat them. I’ll have to ask my brother in laws lawyer friends soon to find out. So sherk stayed home talking to himself in the mirror telling himself he didnt do it.. and BOOM, passing grade so to speak. 3 tests just tells me that he was so defensive that he over reacted. i mean who takes 3, cause if its true 1 should be plenty. plus, I want to know what questions were asked. cause if it was his police buddy or they didnt ask THE right questions, its 3 pieces of useless paper then.
That being said, their BOTH going to have their hands full on sat. and the first 2-3 rounds should be some of the best of the year.. I smell a bloodbath. I’ll be wearing my prodigy shirt, but accept that i could be disappointed.
Lie detector tests average between 90 and 99% accurate. They cannot be “beat” by telling yourself that you’re innocent, or sucking on a penny, or having a tack in your shoe. It is very difficult to beat a lie detector once…let alone 3 times.
They are not accepted by law as undeniable proof, because they are not 100%
# Gargolito Says:
BJ Penn by gogoplata in the third minute of round two. Yup, that specific.
Sherk is a boring “fighter” and a steroids freak (look at pictures of his previous and his pictures post-being-caught.)
The pics you saw were him at 170 and then him at 155….do some research and quite believe ever caption you read on BloodyElbow…
That being said,
this is funny
http://www.icetruck.tv/index.php?id=d0e8059fd4f60e1cbcb398a17f75530c
May 20th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Very well written… You make good points. I do, however, strongly disagree with you. As much credit as you attempt to give BJ Penn, you do not give him enough. An in shape Penn could easily hold the lightweight and possibly the welterweight belts… He was dominatiing Hughes for the second time before he separated his rib and lost a close decision to everyone’s favorite Canadien while he wasn’t in shape. The truth is Sherk is in a LOT of trouble in this fight because of the styles. BJ Penn has done very well against stronger fighters with better wrestling, Hughes and GSP, both of whom had no trouble with Sherk.
As someone who trains at a well known, talent producing gym I can tell you …. Sherk is an easy fight to train for. There are top collegiate level wrestlers (better than Sherk) eveywhere to train with. How do you train for BJ Penn’s Jits? Bring in a Gracie trained Chimpanzee? Penn almost submitted Hughes from his back… a smaller, weaker Sherk will not be a problem.
As far as Sherk’s performance against Franca and Florian… he did well; and neither of those guys would make it through the second round with an in shape, hungry Penn. They are both the same level as Joe Stevenson.
I am not a BJ Penn fan…. But the man is an animal.
May 21st, 2008 at 12:59 am
The winner of Sherk v.s. Penn should fight the winner of Faber v.s. Pulver. Im just done with watching WEC and then seeing a UFC commercial. Since Zuffa owns both, make a paperview with each organizations champions fight each other
May 21st, 2008 at 3:35 am
absolute bullshit!!!! BJ will knock this roid freak on Saturday night. Think about it whoever was falsely accused of testing positive for steroids somewhere down the line Sherk will admit that he really did it because that was the only way he could be the champ making him more of a chump hahahahaa go BJ!!!!!!! HILO Stand up!!!!!!!
May 21st, 2008 at 4:09 am
from what i know BJ Penn has only lost 4 times, Pulver at an early point in his career, Matt Hughes by TKO after gassing, GSP after getting outworked and Lyoto Machida at Light Heavyweight.
Im not making excuses for BJ Penn, im not nuthugging him and refusing to accept Sherk will beat him, but i think people are seeing Sherk winning because they want to see BJ losing.
May 21st, 2008 at 5:08 am
@Sol: For me it’s the opposite; I’d MUCH rather see Penn win, because I enjoy watching his fights more than IO do Sherk’s. Simple as that. As you point out, Penn has only 4 losses, also 12 wins. Sherk is 32-2. He’s lost to GSP and Hughes only. Looking at their records isn’t goign to help determine a winner, it only serves to note the credentials of both men.
I see Penn losing because I see him getting smothered by the only strategy that works against him, lay and pray brand grounding and pounding. But man, I hope not! I always wnat to see the jiu-jitsu man win, always. At the same time I’m, not going to lie to myself and project Penn as the favorite, he’s just at too much of a stylistic disadvantage.
May 21st, 2008 at 5:17 am
Dude, I been sayin this since the first time we were all smoking and that commercial came on. I’m glad someone else is feelin tha truth. I want Sherk to win just cuz I’d rather see Roger Huerta or Ken Flo be the one to beat him, not BJ. Prop, B money.
May 21st, 2008 at 5:55 am
Ken. We already saw Ken Flo almost beat Sherk. If that is possible, BJ will surely be able to best the “Muscle Shark”. Unless he gets injured, which is always possible against such a strong wrestler.
May 21st, 2008 at 6:46 am
@dugmouth
90-99% .. still not admisable in court, and yes they can be beat, if you condition yourself mental (IE: telling yourself your innocent to the point that you believe it or just being that naturally calm) you beat the test, cause it just goes off how your body reactions. The situation of being in the room with the questioner and lie detector is enough to make A LOT of people show a lie because their stress level is through the roof, even with a few questions to get a base line of where to start. again, thats why I want to know what questions he was asked and by whom. cause a innocent person dosnt go back 2 more times to try and get more proof he is innocent. maybe he is tho and he just reacted in a suspcious way, it happens. Sat. can’t come quick enough tho.
May 21st, 2008 at 8:04 am
THe Photo Caption here was hilarious….
May 21st, 2008 at 8:09 am
Nice article brudah, but first and foremost; I AM A BJ PENN FAN!!! But I am concerned for him in this fight. All this roid talk aside, they’re still gonna fight come 5/24, so none of that smack really matters at this point.
Penn HAS to deal with Sherk in the early rounds or I’m afraid my island brudah will suffer a loss if Sherk takes him into deep waters. And after whatchin that fight against Herpes…errrr… I mean Hermes Franca, Sherk has shown that he can take some of the most skilled BJJ fighters to the brink while takin some KO quality shots (you can also ask Kenflo).
BJ IS THE BETTER FIGHTER…but we’ve yet to see BJ maintain the kind of pace that Sherk enforces in the cage.
After all that’s been said I Still got my $ on BJ!!!….
Penn in the 3rd via arm triangle kimura guillotine choke bar
May 21st, 2008 at 10:36 am
Nice to see CP isn’t one of these nuthugging sites like Bloody Elbow.
Sherk by TKO.
May 21st, 2008 at 11:49 am
Sherks roid use is total Bs. If the avg person has 6ng/ml in their system, i wouldnt be suprised if a person with the profession of a MMA fighter has double… Now if he had quadruple the amount, then yea hes been using it but it was just double. I bet if you give other mma fighters who train has hard seriously as sherk, they’d probably have the same level or at least around the same range in their bodies. The only thing sherk has changed after this whole little fiasc is his supplement intake. Eitherway their still gonna fight, no excuses, no bull. So everybody whose still saying its gonna be unfiar cause of this and that; hop off the dick of the roid train and just tune in for Sherk Vs Penn
May 21st, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Tpark,
What i got out of that was this, 6ng/ml is what the highest LEGAL amount that a fighter or athlete can get away with w/o getting busted. now thats the highest legal amount, not the lowest. Now the female fighter “Damm” was totally roiding when getting busted with a 38 ng/ml.
largest Nandrolone study performed on 621 athletes at the 1998 Nagano Olympic games no athlete tested over 0.4 ng per ml.
Sherk posted a 12 ng/ml test… I believe he was cycling off the stuff and just didnt do it at the right time. Once again, steriods are not a bad thing. They are if they are abused and used while in competition.
May 21st, 2008 at 6:15 pm
all i know is that im going to be watching this live and im going to be giddy with excitement.
Since the turn of the year i have been watching UFC PPV’s live (I live in the UK, 5am ftl). The only time i felt severely disappointed was when Hendo tapped, if Penn loses but at least gets to the 4th i wont be too disappointed.
May 21st, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Sherk by TKO? HAHAHAHAHA
The same haters that are happy to accept Sherk’s word that he didn’t do ‘roids over proven fact are the same idiots that won’t accept pictures of BJ’s ribs as an injury in the second Hughes fight.
Bigger, stronger, better wrestlers have had trouble getting an out of shape Penn to the ground. I hope Sherk has been practicing his guard game because he’s going to end up on his back after getting floored with an uppercut.
May 22nd, 2008 at 12:40 am
I think it’s funny to read all these comments.
Nice work people! You’re really showing us your keen skills of observation. In fact since you’re so good at being able to tell who is on steroids simply by looking at them why don’t we skip the testing process and just go by your expert oppinion?
Nice work Sherlock, nothing gets past you.
People make me sick. Sean Sherk can’t clear his name with 3 lie detector tests. Why don’t you people put all that skepticism to good use and start questioning your government? You people that still think Sherk did roids are the same people that think the world trade center collapsed from fire.
May 22nd, 2008 at 2:16 am
Jeff.. You big dummy.
“You people that still think Sherk did roids are the same people that think the world trade center collapsed from fire.”
And you know this how again?
“Nice work Sherlock, nothing gets past you.”
May 22nd, 2008 at 3:00 am
NipGrip just put you to shame.
I got sick reading that 9-11 tie in there. EPIC FAIL douchebag roid user probly like Jeff (one less BJ nuthugger).
Why don’t you people put all that skepticism to good use and start questioning your government?
When did people stop questiong there goverments? Did I miss that meeting?
May 22nd, 2008 at 9:19 am
Fine, I’ll bite. Been a while since I had a good ol’ flame war.
Roid user? Nigga please… I’m 6′4” 145 lbs, if you saw me you’d be wondering if I ever ate food much less take steroids.
I’m not exactly sure what else you guys are trying to say… Do you disagree that 9/11 was an inside job? Or are you pissed because I said that all people who don’t believe Sean Sherk DO believe their government. I was just making a point about groups of people who ignore the facts and evidence and just go along with popular oppinion.
It’s really tough to read all these negative Sherk comments and still post a positive one. It’s really tempting to change my oppinion once I see that everybody disagrees with me. Alas I’m not that kind of person.
CP, if posting OT is not allowed I’m sorry.
May 22nd, 2008 at 9:40 am
My reply got deleted for OT methinks.
I guess there is a better time and place to spread the word about false flags.
Sherk by guillotine, 2:44 left in round 3.
(The internet is serious business).
May 22nd, 2008 at 9:55 am
Jeff, they didn’t touch ur previous post.
Hahaz @ you for thinking Cagepotato would care about what we write.
May 22nd, 2008 at 10:15 am
Cage Potato DOES read every comment. Not right away but eventually. SOmetimes they even delete you comments and say them themselves, if they think they are funny enough (my battle of the beards comment way back at tank/kimbo was stolen by CP). And at the time I posted my follow-up reply the original was in fact gone. Probobly a tech error on my side, oh well.
So does anyone have any way to support the accusations against Sherk besides calling me names?
Damn, BJ has some ignorant, closed minded nuthuggers, thats for sure.
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Ok lets switch gears there Jeff.
What proof do you have that he didn’t do steroids?
Lie detector that’s full proof 100% right all the time right?
Yes please keep insulting the fans of one of the better MMA fighters in History you are really putting us to shame there you close-minded steroid lover.
I am not surprised if they deleted one of your 9-11 ranting post. Even if it was an inside job by the “the man” or “the illuminate”etc wtf can you and me do about it….not a damn thing so find something else to waste your time on really.
Oh no the Men in Black are coming I gotta run….
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:03 pm
The media waged a battle on your mind and you lost.
May 22nd, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Wow, you just don’t seem to have a clue.
“The media” like “The man” is just a little talking voice inside your paranoid head.
FYI I work for the Media and its not really all that bad good hours and plenty of cocaine and whores.
May 23rd, 2008 at 4:52 am
It’s always easier when you do the part where you make yourself look like an idiot for me.
May 23rd, 2008 at 5:46 am
You don’t work for the media, you’re 15.
May 23rd, 2008 at 11:52 am
Uh oh you are guessing my age…I better stop what talking trash about your boyfriend shrunk.
Come back and write another post in about an hour after you have to time to think of something else not funny to post.
FYI I do work for “the media” if you don’t believe me look outside your window we are watching all the time.
May 23rd, 2008 at 2:33 pm
You havn’t convinced me you’re any older than 15 yet.
Keep trying though.
May 23rd, 2008 at 4:22 pm
wow thats funny hat is just hilarious i never thought it would be possible for someone to put sherk in the same category of GSP ad HUGHS but you have ust made me piss my pants thats so funny.
first of all sherk does not have the strength to compete against either of those guys ad when he did he was mutilated by GSP and HUGHS dominated him with power and wrestling ooh yeah Shrek has no punching abilities and he has to be able to take bj down to be able to lay and pray for a win and getting past bj’s hands will be difficult so lets recap
1. first shrek has to be able to take bj down
2. shrek has to get past bj’s hands and knee’s to be able to get atleast a one leg let alone a two leg take down
3. shrek can’t lay and pray on bj or hey will ge tapped
4. Shrek will have to control one of the most talented bjj artists in the world to be able to hold the top position wichis a laugh all in it’s own.
So what is the conclusion :::: Shrek will have to sell his soul to satin and bring a gun to this fight to win by decision
May 23rd, 2008 at 5:04 pm
wow thats funny hat is just hilarious i never thought it would be possible wow jeff you have just taken the cake for being dumber then a monkey
look at a lie detector test this way they react off of your heart rate and who better then a mma fight to this to you. most and almost everyone in the world who does not fight and train on a regular basis would freak out with someone bigger on top of them pounding their face in their heart rate would sky rocket and be almost off the charts. ok now with a mma fighter he has trained himself to remain calm under duress and or some of the most stressful situations now who would be better at passing a lie detector test then a roided out mma fighter
May 23rd, 2008 at 6:28 pm
True mma fan summed it up.
This fight is gonna look like stevenson vs penn. Shrek got no stand-up and taking BJ down and ending up on top is a hard move to do. Even if he does get top what is shrek gonna do get sweeped and rolled over to him back.
“Shrek will have to sell his soul to satin and bring a gun to this fight to win by decision”.
May 23rd, 2008 at 6:37 pm
its like you guys are writing Shrek on purpose
May 23rd, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Ok… whatever you say mma fan. If that makes the most sense to you than there is no use arguing with you, you’re just an idiot.
Warcraft, you too are an idiot for agreeing with him.
May 23rd, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Jeff I feel you picking a horse thats about to get shot.
I’m an idiot but can easily see BJ is going to total annihilate your hero sherk.
May 24th, 2008 at 7:37 am
Sherk my hero? Ya right. I’m a way bigger fan of BJ than I am of Sherk.
That just never clouded my judgement when it came to the steroid issue or my UFC84 predictions.
May 24th, 2008 at 7:54 am
Sherk should be slapped just for the stupid fight name of “muscle shark”
Maybe if he was a Japanese fighter and his dumb name was lost in translation,
I hope the Sherk losses and he disapears into the deep trench of “who was that fighter what’s name?” like most UFC fighters
May 25th, 2008 at 4:23 am
It seems the author of this article is completely full of shit.
BJ Penn soundly beat Sherk.
There is no question now.
With steroids, Sherk is an average fighter
Without steroids, Sherk is a LESS than average fighter.
Bye Bye Juicer.
Your MMA career is OVER
May 25th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Oh well… your theory was dead wrong. Sean Sherk sucked.
May 26th, 2008 at 4:49 am
Well, not even I like Sean Sherk anymore. What an unentertaining fighter…
Dana, take notice, Sean Sherk is completely unmarketable. He has no fans and no skill. Please drop him from the roster and give the money to real fighters.
Gratz BJ, that title is now yours fair and square. If you get a staph infection from licking the blood, be sure to go to the hospital before it gets really bad.
May 26th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
But BJ did beat Sherk
May 31st, 2008 at 4:12 am
wow sherk wins worst game plan of any ufc fighter ever