Jackson/Griffin Scorecards; Main Event Wins "Fight of the Night"
The official judges' tallies, from Dave Meltzer via Fightlinker:
Adalaide Byrd
Round 1: 10-9 Griffin
Round 2: 10-8 Griffin
Round 3: 10-9 Griffin
Round 4: 10-9 Jackson
Round 5: 10-9 Jackson
Nelson Hamilton
Round 1: 10-9 Jackson
Round 2: 10-8 Griffin
Round 3: 10-9 Griffin
Round 4: 10-9 Jackson
Round 5: 10-9 Griffin
Roy Silbert
Round 1: 10-9 Griffin
Round 2: 10-9 Griffin
Round 3: 10-9 Griffin
Round 4: 10-9 Jackson
Round 5: 10-9 Griffin
Personally, I don't agree that Rampage was "robbed" in this decision whatsoever — I think Griffin clearly controlled rounds 1, 2, and 5 — but for all three judges to give round 3 to the challenger is very questionable; Rampage found his distance in that round and started landing his lead-fisted punch combos. But then again, all three judges gave round 4 to Jackson, which I saw as a very close frame that could have been scored for Griffin due to his triangle attempt, which came within a ball-hair of finishing the fight. I'm sure the argument will rage on, but there's one thing we can all agree on: These judges are totally incompetent. Where's Cecil Peoples when you need him?
As if there was any doubt, Rampage vs. Forrest won UFC 86's Fight of the Night bonus, with both headliners picking up $60,000 for their event-saving performance. As mentioned earlier, Knockout of the Night went to Melvin Guillard for his 36-second destruction of Dennis Siver, and Submission of the Night went to Cole Miller for choking out Jorge Gurgel; those bonuses were also worth $60k. Full payout info to come as soon as we have it...
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XtremeFecal Says:
Did anyone else think Rampage was surprisingly chipper after just giving up his fucking belt? I know the guy has a good sense of humor, but he was down right happy after being handed a loss. And not a very decisive when in my eyes.
All props to Griffin though. He had an amazing game plan and executed everything like a true professional.
Turd Ferguson Says:
I actually gave round 2 as a 10-8 griffin. I guess no one agreed with me where I was watching it but 2/3 judges did.
I don't think rampage was robbed. Forrest had a good game plan. He could have finished it in the 2nd when he was full mounted for 3 minutes, but he didnt posture up. I was waiting for rampage to give him his back and he almost did. If that would have happened im pretty sure rampage would have been choked out.
Big props to C. Lytle for having tons of heart. Kos "I want to stand up with lytle and bang with him" douchebag is a wanker. Kos is a wrestler and he will always try and take you down. He will never have a fight that lasts on its feet...ever.
Thats all
Turd Ferguson Says:
Fecal,
I don't think rampage was devistated by the loss, but he comes off as a guy who likes to fight and if he loses then he loses and doesnt worry about it too much.
He is a good sport and understands that in this game it can go either way.
adbyrd77 Says:
Here's my theory on why all the judges gave round 3 to Forrest. I was scoring the fight as I watched and this is what i got Round 1: 10-9 Jackson, Round 2: 10-8 Griffin, Round 3: 10-9 Jackson (but VERY barely), Round 4: 10-9 Jackson, Round 5: 10-9 Griffin. I'm betting this is what the first two judges got. The problem is, that leaves you with a 47-47 draw and my guess is the judges/UFC do not see that as an option. Regardless of what the score was, I (and apparently the judges) felt that Forrest clearly had the better fight. Since Round 3: was so ridiculously close, and they probably had mixed opinions on it, they gave it to Forrest to tip the scale.
thehater Says:
"Clearly controlled round 1, 2, and 5..." You are an idiot. I never post comments but I couldn't help myself. Do you mean Griffin controlled round 1 from his back after he got dropped with a devastating uppercut? Rounds 2 and 5 I will give you, but 1, 3 and 6 were rampage's. This is coming from a fan who wanted Forrest to win. Not in that fashion. It is Quinton's fault for not finishing the fight. Every time he became the aggressor Forrest looked scared. At no point was rampage in any trouble due to Forrest's striking, more specifically, his hands. It is obvious that Forrest is Dana's meal ticket and he is going to ride it as long as he can.
Spacealias Says:
Me and my buddy were in such disagreement that at the outcome of the fight, that we rewatched it right afterwards and made our case to each other. We disagreed on Round 1, I gave it to Rampage for the knockdown and the more powerful punching, he gave it to Griffin based on scoring including leg kicks.
Round 2 is not a 10-8 round. We agreed that Round 2 was 10-9 Griffin. Rampage actually did an excellent job of defending himself from the bottom and took literally NO Abuse for the entire round after he went down from the leg kicks. Solid 10-9 for Griffin.
Round 3 was close, but I just don't see what Griffin did to earn the win. I gave it to Rampage, my buddy, said it was close and wanted to give it to Griffin (probably just to support his view that Griffin won the fight). In Round 3 Rampage definately got back on track, and rocked Griffin. Griffin scored a little but did virtually no damage.
Round 4 went to Rampage, we both agreed, even with a Triangle attempt. Forrest had to give it up because he was about to be whip-slammed to the mat, which is more evidence that the round should belong to Griffin. Plus, a triangle submission attempt should not win a round that is dominated by the other fighter (like when Machida got round 3 on all 3 cards against Tito, despite being very close to submission).
At this point I have the fight 3 rounds to 1 for Rampage, my buddy has it 2 - 1 for Griffin with round 1 a draw. The 5th round was a draw in my opinion but I see how you could give it to Forrest for scoring more.
In this fight, Forrest did inflict damage to Rampage's knee, but kicking a knee doesn't win a fight if you cannot capitalize on it.
I wish we could go back to the Old days when you had to stop a Champion to take his belt.
Spacealias Says:
Corrections: Round 4: more evidence that the round should belong to Rampage (not Griffin). Also Definitely (not definately)
kablamo Says:
lol @ thehater. How dare you call anyone an idiot then proceed to give Jackson the nod in round"6". Moron. (it was a 5 round fight)
Carry on.
kosterzoo Says:
(QUOTE)"Clearly controlled round 1, 2, and 5…” You are an idiot. I never post comments but I couldn’t help myself. Do you mean Griffin controlled round 1 from his back after he got dropped with a devastating uppercut? Rounds 2 and 5 I will give you, but 1, 3 and 6 were rampage’s." (QUOTE)
Yeah, the Unaired "6th" round was clearly rampages.....
(QUOTE) This is coming from a fan who wanted Forrest to win. Not in that fashion. It is Quinton’s fault for not finishing the fight. Every time he became the aggressor Forrest looked scared. At no point was rampage in any trouble due to Forrest’s striking (QUOTE)
No rampage was never in trouble from his striking...especially not those leg kicks which stopped him from moving forward.. especially not them
(QUOTE) It is obvious that Forrest is Dana’s meal ticket and he is going to ride it as long as he can (QUOTE)
You do realise the judges are from the athletic commission.... I've got this theory that half the new MMA fans are just old pro-wrestling fans that think dana white is this evil boss like Vince MacMahon or something...
Oh and to validate anything they say it has to be prefixed with "And I wanted (guy I'm bagging and accusing of having the fight rigged) to win."
As I saw the fight, Forrest won rounds 2, 3 and 5 while rampage won 1 and 4. The reason I saw forrest winning the 3rd was because of octagon control and more 'effective' striking.. While it looks impressive when rampage was 'teeing off' there wasn't actually alot of damage or clean hits landing.
Also rampage was unable to come forward because of his leg as you could see with his flurys he couldn't really follow it up.
Was such a good fight though... its a shame the internet is full of haters these days and they'd pefer to bag the guy for winning, who really deserves it, than appreciate what a war it was... But then I guess that's why these people are on the internet and not in the ring/cage themselves
what? Says:
watch the fight again. forrest did work. he earned that win. if rampage wanted to keep his belt he should have been more aggressive in defending it.
jakey Says:
when rampages leg went in the 2nd i thought it was going to be over. He did well to come back but it didnt make for a great spectacle the rest of the fight definitely fight of the night tho cos of the standard of the rest of the card
Scottie G Says:
UFC is becoming more and more like boxing every show
Fighters don't fight to win, they fight not to lose
4 of the 5 fights shown go to decision? JOKE
Affliction\Dream...please save MMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DANA IS THE NEW DON QUEEN Says:
FUCK THAT, THIS FIGHT WAS BULLSHIT, JACKSON HAD THE CLEAR ADVANTAGE....BUT OF COURSE GRIFFIN IS DANAS NEW BITCH SO HE HAD TO HANDED TO HIM, AFTER ALL WASNT THIS ABOUT "THE ULTIMATE FIGHTER"? OF COURSE IT HAT TO BE BETTER ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE "ORIGINAL" ULTIMATE FIGHTER....DANA IS KILLING THE UFC...LIKE I SAID THIS BULLSHIT....JUST LIKE THE UPCOMING SILVA FIGHT FIGTHING A NOBODY JUST TO FUCK WITH THE COMPETITION WHICH HAS A WAY BETTER CARD THAN THE NEXT SHITTY FIGHT.
Kaleb Says:
Ummm wtf? Forrest round one? Fella's... RAMPAGE SCORED A KNOCKDOWN ROUND ONE. REMEMBER?! Jesus wow, thats really bad, and round 4, easily won by rampage, only two judges see it? 4 rounds to griffin? WTf is this dude.
Terrible decision, Terrible crowd, chanting forrest? wtf is wrong with you, have respect for the champion.
Sorry, but i do see the UFC becoming boxing. Dana is losing it, and i may need to buy this Affliction show now.
p.s By putting a fight on July 19 with so so so little time to train, shows Dana doesn't give a rats @$$ about the fighters, and only his pocket.
Magicmatt Says:
Here is my 2 cents.
In round one forrest came out and made rampage look sluggish, he got in got out and had great combos, he buckled rampages leg with those kicks and scored. It was all forrest till 'page clipped him. Forrest had a good guard though. I gave it to rampage, even though i thought forrest had a stronger round.
Round two was all forrest, he practically snapped rampages leg and i though he was just going to submit but to the fact he only had one leg. Forrest kept the top the whole round and i dont think rampage landed a single punch. Forrest made rampage look like his younger brother in that round. You have got to give that to forrest 10-8.
Round three was freaking close. But i thought forrest did more to score. And i gave it to him. Just my opinion i suppose.
Round four was a lot closer than people are suggesting. Forrest almost submitted rampage and almost got slammed the fuck on the mat in the process, but just like in round 1, i gave it rampage in a real close round.
Round five forrest looked lively and got in and out and scored just like in round 1, the only difference between round 1 and 5 was that rampage didnt land the big punch, the biggest punch of round 5 was probably landed by forrest, that one hook really caught rampage. You have to give 5 to forrest.
48-46 forrest was how i scored it. In my eyes there is no way you can say rampage had the belt stolen, if you want to give rampage all the close rounds than it would still be a draw because round 5 was forrest, and 10-8 was dominant, rampage didnt do crap except lay there and rest up. he even said so afterwards. I think the only way you can see rampage winning this is if you had money on rampage, and were specifically looking for him to win the rounds.
In the end, this was the first ppv i ever bought. It was an impulse purchase and the first 4 fight dissappointed me, except for maybe koschek. The forrest rampage fight was worth the price though and i plan to buy forrest's title defense.
vrax Says:
I had it 1,3,4 Rampage, 2,5 Griffin, with Round 2 scored 10-8 making the contest a draw. I don't have a problem with the decision going to either man, as it was very close fight.
UFC sucks Says:
Last ppv I buy for the ufc sorry but that was total bullshit
CityBoxingSanDiego Says:
Wow I wish they would have replaced every fight on this card besides the main event, with the undercard fights. It was absolutely embarrassing trying to explain to my friends and family the intricacies and details of the sport while watching this snoozefest. Next time I would almost prefer to have the fights on tape-delay so that the UFC can select the most exciting fights of the night for the card. Save the bore-fest for Spike TV reruns.
kenshamrockisback Says:
how can U say forrest controlled round 1 he got put on his ass sum control
Anonymous Says:
1) rampage 10-9
2) griffen 10-8
3) 10-10
4) rampage 10-9
5) rampage 10-9
ufc sucks Says:
worst ufc yet the ufc needed forrest to win that fight and the judges knew that, talk about fixed fights and pooor desicions in Pride that was brutal. The champ should have to take a beaten to lose his belt, forrest had some hard leg kicks but by the 3rd round rampage fought through the pain forrest looked like a combination of kaleb starnes and lyota machida hit once and run for his life. total crap
yeah Says:
i had 1, 3, and 4 to rampage.
i don't care what people say, rampage won that fight. i like forrest and all, but he honestly did not land any hard clean punches. people are forgetting the importance of knockdowns from a punch. in boxing, it wins you the round most of the time.
when i watched this shit live, i was so surprised when they said forrest won. i was just like, what the fuck? i couldn't believe it. not ONE judge could even score rampage with more rounds than forrest. even one judge had forrest winning 4-1. seriously guys, i know he's white, but what the fuck.
ben Says:
@ thehater, others:
I just re-watched round 1 of the fight. In retrospect, Rampage's knockdown and brief top-control could have certainly convinced a judge that he won the round, but you have to understand that the entire sequence only lasted 50 seconds of the five-minute round. Griffin out-pointed Rampage for the entire remainder. The problem with scoring fights is that we all agree on the criteria, but everyone has their own ideas on how much weight each aspect should be given. Total time that a fighter was controlling the round is maybe more important to me than it is to you; Rampage definitely had the most damaging strike of the round, which is probably part of why you'd score it for him. And that's cool, because everyone is entitled to their opinion. But I'd bet that the two judges who scored the round for Forrest did so because he controlled four of the round's five minutes.
Anonymous Says:
you're fucking kidding me, Forrest was backing Rampages black ass up the entire fight except when he started throwing his haymakers around.
Anonymous Says:
Save this bullshit for Hamill v Bisping and Bisping v Evans. "WAAAH! Forrest didn't sit there and let Jackson hit him in the face! WAAAH!"
ben Says:
@ Kaleb:
See, that's the other thing. This isn't boxing — knocking a guy down doesn't mean you automatically get a 10-9 round. There's a lot more to it than that.
grant Says:
ben FTW!!
Dana is the knew Don Queen Says:
1st, if someone wants to use my bldg name feel free. Just don't curse every other word it makes me look ignorant. 2nd I said I would not comment on last night's fight anymore!! So these comments are about payment and the reason for the bldg name. Don King made a fortune promoting boxing! If you follow this man's career like him or not he brought a lot of great fights to the fans, and made a pile of money doing it and is still getting paid. Were some of his fighters given close decisions. You be the judge! The thing is, at least he paid his fighters that fought on his cards. In the early 1900's Jack Dempsy was paid over 350k for a championship fight. Boxers now for the most part especially in main event cards are clearly paid much more than MMA fighters. So if Dana is following the pages written in D.Kings career, and at the same time is saying that MMA is swallowing boxing. The least he could do is pay his fighters . A suggestion. How about Zuffa, UFC, whatever keeps half the gate and PPV, then the rest is spit up between the fighters main event on down! For now this MMA fan, not judge or fighter is not even going to drink the King of Beers little sister Do to my disgust with the current state of affairs within that billion dollar organization!
d biggles Says:
All of you guys are morons, and you obviously dont train for mma you just sit on your asses and talk shit about people. That was an excellent ppv the reasons fights go to stalemates is because the fighters are so well matched, so if you want to watch trash mma where c level fighters knock out f level fighters you my friends are ruining mma get educated to make educated decisions. Plus no one gives a shit how you scored the fight you werent even there or like i said are ignorant to what mma really is and how the techniques actually work. so go watch the ifo you pussies
karluk Says:
the ufc will never turn into boxing due the fact that, the fighters know just enough boxing skill to throw mostly sloppy punches. Now for the fight itself. me being a mma fan forsome time enjoyed it. Both fighers showed heart and the will to win. And as far as rampage not seeming to care about losing the belt. He will get another chance. And along with winning comes losing. you have to accept defeat before you can become a better fighter.
A true champion can handle a defeat as well as a loss. Furthermore it is becoming increasingly more difficult to maintain the belt in the ufc in any division (other than heavy weight for the simple fact no one wants to see the poor stamina of the heavy weight divison, oh and it is boring) due to the progression of the fighters. The top notch fighters are hungry and eager.
karluk Says:
dont mind my typo's i thought i proofread it. =p
Anonymous Says:
i agree that the show as a whole sucked except for the main event...as for the griffin-rampage fight...i had it
10-9 rampage
10-8 griffin
10-9 griffin(as said before..."by a ball hair")
10-9 rampage
10-9 griffin
if it wasn't for the knockdown in round one...forrest wold've won the fight by a landslide
rocky Says:
Forrest after the fight had two black eyes, Rampage is going to have an amputated leg. Just because Forrest's damage was to the lower body does not mean he did less. Very close fight, Rampage put in work, but he got the snot kicked out of him. Good for Forrest but if they rematch I still think rampage wins.
what? Says:
The problem with having the judges appointed is that they do not have to have any knowledge of the sport whatsoever. The commission picks their friends friends brother to score the fights.
karluk Says:
you all act like this is the first time that the judging has been an issue. until they come up with a system to score it correctly it will contiue to be so
Boiling Tater Says:
Both fighters showed up to fight but it became obvious from the start that FG was pressing the action more so than QJ. There is no question that QJ physically beat up FG, but didn't do enough to retain the title. As any experienced fighter knows, most fights really are going to be a coin toss when its left for the judges to decide -- especially this title fight.
QJ fought flat and summed it all up when he stated, "I'll never take nine months off ever again."
Upon victory FG declared, "Everytime he hit me it F%*KIN' HURT. Now I got to fight him again. It sucks to be me."
Now, QJ will get hungry again while FG awaits to be hunted.
YOUR DADDDY Says:
STOP HATING ON THE WHITE BOY ? HE FOUGHT MORE JACKSON STOOD THERE AND SWUNG OUTTA DEFENSE ?????READING PA HOLLA BIG J ALL DAY
karluk Says:
ive seen leg kicks end a fight
Scottie G Says:
For all the MMA "experts", you can't have a 10-10 scoring round.
Only 1 fighter can get 10 points, the other is given 9, or 8 if the round is pure domination, no tied rounds.
Otherwise fights like Koscheck\Diego would be 30-30, because both of those idiots didn't even throw a punch the whole fight, let alone hurt the other guy.
Any of you clowns EVER watch boxing? MMA uses the same scoring system
stupid UFC haters Says:
you UFC haters are fucking hilarious.
You are the same people who believe that world trade centers were blown up by the US government.
you also believe aliens abducted you and anal raped you...when in reality you got drunk, and your own cousin anal raped you , dressed in a ET mask.
You are stupid, inbred and brainfucked.
You can't spell, you have poor diction, and use capslock alot ! :)
Go be a fan of some other organization like wwe or tna, and leave big boy sports to real adults.
karluk Says:
i dont see anyone really hating anything other than the points system. And its not contained to just these posts. Joe Rogan has mentioned it numerous times in the past along with many others. it is a flawed system. However i do not see how they can change it
The Real Ben Says:
i dont care man
how was forrest in more control when both standing in round 1 lets base whole fight on damage
forrest never ko rampage not a chance
rampage throws punches to end fights
forrest throws punches for judges never enevn hurt rampage
for legs would hop everytime he got hit
MKXii Says:
Rampage said he only cares about the check.
Hugh G Rection Says:
Any sport that relies upon "judges" for the official outcome might as well be women's figure skating.
sretah cfu Says:
ufc haters, your worried about correct spelling and SHIT. The main event wasn't even the fucked scoring of the night. Did anyone see Cote win? The BJJ black belt stood with him for longer than Cote defended himself from his back and when on his feet Cote rocked his competition less than Rampage rocked Griffin. Cote clearly lost. Griffin no way on this fucking earth did enough to take a championship! If that were Chuck in his hay-day there is no way that he lost his belt! That comment has nothing to do with racism, just simple economics. It proves to the ufc FUCK HEADED FANS that someone from the tuf, can rise to the top of the sport and take home the belt. It doesn't take a psyche degree to realize Forrest immediately saw the need for a rematch. Also that Jackson wasn't gonna say anything to piss of the owners! Behind closed doors, I guarantee that the powers that be were talking damage control due to this event! Most likely some more highly profiled fights will occur in the next couple events than are listed today due to this FUCKING SHAM THAT THANKFULLY I NEVER PAID ONE RED FUCKING CENT TO SEE AND WATCHED FOR FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chris J Says:
Congrats Forrest, a fucking awesome war, you deserve the gold you're wearing.
Now I'd like to see Quinton (much as I like the guy) hand over his purse because the fight went to a decision, as he stated on TUF, and I'd like to see his corner man (name escapes me) retire, as he went ON THE RECORD to state that he would retire if Forrest beat Quinton.
So what about it guys? Walk the walk because you can't talk shit and not back it up, not in this game :)
Chris J Says:
Oh, and Sretah cfu (<-oh very clever).... you're an ignorant, ill educated pissant.
That is all.
Phil Magroin Says:
1.The judges don't work for the UFC
2. They may or may not know as much about mma as half the weirdos on this site.
3. Rampage let it go to a decision when he didn't finish forrest in the first.
4. forrest let it go to the score card when he didn't finish his americana in the 2nd
5. I feel forrest won, but not in a convincing manner.
6. I think we saw a 100% effort from griffen and 70% from rampage.
7. I don't think forrest can repeat against a motivated Jackson.
my 2 cents, now someone call me a moron/racist/homo...quick!
stupid UFC haters Says:
yep Chris J, that guy just proved my point, and drove it home.
Down to detail of using the caps lock button, just as predicted.
his poor diction, and his bad grammar were indicators of his inbreed DNA. :)
And Chris J I agree with you 100% about the promises of Rampage that "Our fight won't go the distance I guarantee it!" and if his boxing coach promised to retire if Rampage lost I would like to see what they have to say.
I would assume that their words were said in the heat of the moment, and or used to put "heat" on the match up, and to pump up their athlete.
I personally do not wish to see Rampage lose his money, as I feel even in a lose he earned that money, plus the fact I like him a lot, and do not wish to see him suffer anymore than he was paid to suffer.
He is young, perhaps he will learn from this, and watch what he says in the future so it "don't bite him in da butt" in the future....so to speak. :)
Jonny Says:
Rampage was ROBBED thats all i got to say!