Comments on: What Does It Mean To Beat The Champion?

By: Rob

Rob — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:28:38 +0000

Gotta disagree FOF, I think Forrest did do damage from the top. Those short elbows are no fun and could have opened up a cut. He was active throwing shots, he wasn’t looking for a fight ending shot he was just trying to be annoying so that Rampage would block and give him an Americana (which he was working for) or turn and give him a choke.

I just don’t see how you can equate one punch that wasn’t even strong enough to end the fight, with one guy dominating an entire round. In the first round Forrest landed numerous punches and leg kicks, in the second round I don’t think Rampage landed a single offensive blow.

By: FOF Athletics

FOF Athletics — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:13:35 +0000

Good for Juanito. I agree that he knows Rampage lost, any honest fan can say that I think (and I’ve been down with Rampage since Pride, he’s still my #1 guy). The argument for a 10-8 first round is only credible if you scored the second 10-8 for Forrest. Yeah he controlled, but he didn’t do any damage (should’ve been stood up) after the take down. I score both 10-9 myself, can’t see it any other way. Juanito has a point with the second stance as well, but it is just not feasible to judge that way and have consistency (the #1 problem with judges already). I think he is just saying these things to prove how close it was (it should’ve been a split) and b/c Rampage is more than a fighter to him, their relationship is grounded in almost a father and son role. If your son (or daughter) barely lost a fight, wouldn’t you rationalize out loud too? He’s biased, you would be too, that’s all I’m trying to say. If you disagree with his statements say so respectfully, don’t hurl insults at this guy. Juanito is one of the best trainers/coaches out there and has paid more dues in the game than many would care to or even been around long enough to pay.

Great Fight, Rematch in January — RESPECT!

By: Rob

Rob — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:10:24 +0000

With regard to the first round, while I initially thought Rampage took that round I understand giving it to Forrest. People tend to overvalue the big knockout style punch.

Assume for a second that in the second round Forrest gets that take down, works to the mount for the whole round, but then in the last 30 seconds rampage slips a leg in to get half guard and then gets a triangle. Forrest slips out, takes a second to recover and then the round ends. Would anybody give that round to Rampage. I’ve seen tons of fights where one guy is on top, he’s controling the actions, he’s landing shots but he’s not really threatening to end the fight with his ground and pound, the guy on the bottom throws up a few submission which come close, but they lose it and end up in the same bad position. I have never once heard anyone complain after a round like that, that the guy who threw up one submission (which had it been perfect would have won the fight) should get the round.

Its the same thing with the knockout punch (which had it been perfect would have won the fight). If the other fighter escapes it and recovers should that really erase the entire round where they had the better position and were more aggresive.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 05:58:57 +0000

lmao I can’t tell the people genuinely criticizing the decision with the trolls.

1. Rampage landed more punches, but Forrest returned and landed alot of his own, it was probably a 3 to 4 ratio for rampage in punches.

2. Rampage didn’t look damaged, but Forrest is notorious for looking damaged. He’s clumsy and cuts easy as hell. Also “Battle Damage” isn’t something that the judges score on, sorry.

3. Forrest probably landed more kicks than Rampage landed punches.

4. Forrest landed like 6 standing knees on Rampages head, another thing Rampage wasn’t able to respond to.

5. Forrest was pushing the pace and being aggressive, Rampage spent most of the fight tentatively stepping backwards with occasional bull rushes with haymakers in the later rounds.

6. Rampage lost legitimately, but they both fought a good fight, stop crying you pussies.

By: Harry Triangle

Harry Triangle — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 02:46:44 +0000

So I guess some leg kicks and a sub attempt are enough to win a title in Eliteufc. Any decision was obviosly going to forrest no matter what happened in the fight. forrest is the ufcs kimbo.

By: BLS1919

BLS1919 — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 02:13:17 +0000

Forrest was the man on that night. Page i love hime but he fought like he was scared of Forrest. Undoubtable Forrest did more damage , with his sick leg kicks in the first , third and las round. I wouldnt doubt Rampage has MCL?ACL damage after that fight. His knee buckled twice in the first. IMO Page didnt fight like a champ and Forrest made the best and gutted out a well deserved UD

By: Ryan R

Ryan R — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 00:27:56 +0000

think*

By: Ryan R

Ryan R — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 00:26:46 +0000

Ok so everyone is saying jackson should of beat the hell outta griffin to keep the belt..But did griffin beat the hell outta jackson to win the belt?? I don’t fucking thing so….look at the end of the match, jackson’s face was CLEAN

By: ufc sucks

ufc sucks — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:01:32 +0000

funny how many people are defending the fact that the ufc isn’t fixed. remember the good old days in pride, elbows on the ground are gay they just cut ban the ground elbows

By: Rick furious

Rick furious — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:50:21 +0000

Y is every one saying rampage won the first round forrest was the pusher the whole round yea he got caught but just for a slit second and then recoverd in seconds to control jackson in the guard…I was only able to see rounds 1 2 and 5 and forrest one them i havent seen the the other yet…And also look at jacksons face when the were waiting for the word he new he lost that says it…