The World’s Worst MMA Camps
(Battle of the Teams Who Only Win About 60% of the Time.)
After doing a little bit of digging on Sherdog’s Fight Statistics section, MMA Madness posted a list of the ten most successful MMA camps (with at least 100 combined fights):
1. Arizona Combat Sports, 116-27, .81
1. Jackson’s Submission Fighting, 124-30, .81
3. Minnesota Martial Arts, 243-64, .79
4. Team Curran, 108-42, .77
4. American Jiu-Jitsu, 92-28, .77
4. American Kickboxing Academy, 174-53, .77
7. HIT Squad, 80-25, .76
7. Capital City Fighting Alliance, 78-25, .76
7. Southwest MMA, 78-25, .76
7. Miletich Martial Arts, 457-148, .76Falling just out of the top ten were ATT, Xtreme Couture, Team Punishment, and The Pit.
In the interest of fairness, we compiled the ten least successful MMA camps. If you were thinking about joining up with these guys, think twice.
10. Wajyutsu Keisyukai A3, 78-58, 0.574 (Notable fighter: Hidetaka Monma)
9. Primal Tribe Fighting Club, 60-46, 0.566 (Notable fighter: Kyacey Uscola)
8. PUREBRED Omiya, 86-66, 0.566 (Notable fighters: Enson Inoue, George Sotiropoulos)
7. C-4 MMA, 133-104, 0.561 (Notable fighters: Dave “Pee Wee” Herman, UG troll Sean McCorkle)
6. Cobra Kai MMA Dojo, 70-56, 0.556 (Notable fighter: Dokonjonosuke Mishima)
5. PANCRASEism, 387-311, 0.554 (Notable fighters: Yuki Kondo, Ryo Kawamura)
4. Alliance-Square, 57-46, 0.553 (I’ve never heard of any of these people.)
3. Abe Ani Combat Club, 68-55, 0.553 (Notable fighters: Hiroyuki Abe, Megumi Fujii)
2. Team Schrijber, 186-152, 0.550 (Doesn’t ring a bell.)
1. American Martial Arts Center, 69-58, 0.543 (???)
So, mostly randoms, half of which are based in Japan. But lying just outside the bottom ten are:
— Team Wildman Vale Tudo, 73-51, 0.589 (Thomas Denny’s crew)
— Hammer House, 79-55, 0.590 (Mark Coleman, Phil Baroni, Kevin Randleman, and friends)
— Team Jorge Gurgel, 75-51, 0.595 (Dustin Hazelett, Matt Brown, Dorian Price…interestingly, not Jorge Gurgel)
And then slightly further out:
— City Boxing, 54-31, 0.635 (Brandon Vera, KJ Noons, Dean Lister)
— Chute Boxe, 154-87, 0.639 (Fabricio Werdum, Evangelista “Cyborg” Santos, Jean Silva)
— Renzo Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, 55-31, 0.640 (Renzo, Ricardo Almeida, Dante Rivera)
We could go on and on. But if you’re curious and feel like killing some time, check out Sherdog’s Fight Stats to learn about the fighters with the worst win/loss ratios, the fighters who fought in the most promotions, and something called the Gracie and Severn Effect.
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August 3rd, 2008 at 9:13 am
how does the HIT squad which if my memory serves me correctly, have over 100 fights when they were only started in the last 2 years. it would seem they are including matt hughes fights when he was with miletich.
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:53 am
I just wanted to say thank you for making me into more than just a TUF noob. =)
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:57 am
Good point JB, I thought the exact same thing… does xtreme couture count wanderlei’s fights???
also .. i didn’t see team link.
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:48 am
#4 on the worst list you say you’ve never heard of any of those people? tsuyoshi Kohsaka, the man who put the 1 on the right side of mr fedor’s record.
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:54 am
and jb you’re absolutely correct, except they more so just opened up in the last 6 months rather than 2 years
August 3rd, 2008 at 11:12 am
“#4 on the worst list you say you’ve never heard of any of those people? tsuyoshi Kohsaka, the man who put the 1 on the right side of mr fedor’s record.”
because throwing an illegal elbow and cutting someone really puts you at the top of the rankings
August 3rd, 2008 at 11:24 am
I love the refrence to Sean McCorkle…UG Troll. That guy is such a shitbag all he ever does is talk about himself and his money. I guess thats why he’ll never make the big leagues.
Good piece of the journalism.
August 3rd, 2008 at 12:27 pm
How the hell did Launchpad “Glass Arm” McTap’s crew land #1? Must have had most of it’s wins before he showed up.
August 3rd, 2008 at 1:29 pm
What fight is that pic from? I wanted to watch it again. Coleman vs….?
August 3rd, 2008 at 1:57 pm
AKA American Kickboxing Academy has some of the toughest guys in the game today. I’ve trained with athletes from all over the west coast and until I trained there, had only been able to find gyms and teams that were particular to 1 style or philosophy. The instruction there is surely TOP LEVEL. AKA truly is a fighters fight team with not only tough fighters but knowledgeable and game savvy athletes (Both coaches and team members).
August 3rd, 2008 at 2:37 pm
“What fight is that pic from?”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5fkHXvgGVQ&feature=related
Coleman vs. Shogun … I was just looking for Coleman fights to see him in action and came across it :o) Dude broke Shogun’s arm…
August 3rd, 2008 at 3:20 pm
It’s kinda questionable when you judge it. I’d have to ask the same question as everyone else: what about fighters who join and leave those associations? I mean you could have someone with a huge record come join your team and now all of the sudden the scales are tilted.
August 3rd, 2008 at 3:26 pm
“2. Team Schrijber, 186-152, 0.550 (Doesn’t ring a bell.)”
You don’t know bout DIRTY BOB??
August 3rd, 2008 at 6:08 pm
this doesn’t make any sense. how does the worst team have a winning record? that would indicate that more fights are being won than lost.
August 3rd, 2008 at 6:15 pm
the pic is from coleman vs shogun rua
August 3rd, 2008 at 8:33 pm
thing is, you could probably take the worst fighters ever from the worst teams, and they would probably kick everyone’s ass at cagepotato
August 3rd, 2008 at 8:48 pm
@mike: This only counts camps with a cumulative record of over 100 fights, no small extra-losey teams, no individuals.
It would seem that only camps who can win at least half their fights go on for long enough to rack up 100 bouts.
August 3rd, 2008 at 8:56 pm
The thing that’s left to be questioned, besides what has already been brought up, is at what level of competition did these camps get their wins? That is something that’s hard to look at objectively, but you can’t always judge a camp by it’s win ratio. Just like you can’t always judge a fighter by their win ratio. Wandy lost to Cro Cop, Henderson, and Liddell, then just beat Jardine. He’s 3-1 in his last four fights! But people don’t say that he sucks, after all, when you’re fighting that level of competition you can’t win them all.
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:05 pm
bookgrub, that makes sense. thanks dude.
August 4th, 2008 at 6:01 am
Dirty Bob - Best illegal axe kick to da head, ever! Which Pride was that?
WAR Team Schrijber!
August 4th, 2008 at 11:02 am
I wouldn’t read too much into this list. First of all, not every fighter has been with the same camp the entire time. Especially with many of the examples listed. Vera and Lister haven’t been with City Boxing in awhile. Baroni has not always been with Hammer House. And alot of the guys at Jacksons were not there 2-3 years ago. Second, does the win/loss record of the camp really indicate its success? Is Arizona Combat Sports really in the same dicussion as AKA, Miletich, Jacksons, ATT, or Xtreme Couture? This list assumes all fights are at the same level. You can not compare wins at some low level show with wins at the UFC level.
August 4th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Yes Patrick, Arizona Combat Sports IS in the same discussion as AKA, Miletich, Jacksons, ATT, or Xtreme Couture. ACS is putting out some really good fighters. A lot of amateur fighters yes, but good, well-rounded quality fighters. A win is a win whether “low-level” or UFC level. The all-mighty UFC is not the standard to which all other are judged.
August 4th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
So, Launchpad, what you are saying here is that if Xtreme Couture sent all their fighters to Capt. Kangs Backyard Brawlz for 8 straight years and had a record of 400-2, then they could be considered the best team ever?
Though the UFC is not THE standard, it is A standard by which one can be judged. There is a noticeable difference between the elite leagues and the “low-level” leagues, just like any other sport. Can Kansas really be mentioned in the same conversation as the Celtics? How about a AAA team and a major league team? Do you see the difference?
The UFC is one of many organizations that constitute the “elite-level” of MMA. Others may include the former PRIDE org or now DREAM, Affliction or even (sadly) Elite-XC.
August 4th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Yes a win is still a win in the record books. But the level of competition at the lower level is not the same at the UFC, EliteXC, WEC level. Saying a win a a low level show is just as good is like saying a guy playing football for a local semi-pro team is just the same as playing in the NFL. Varner is proven, and there are alot of guys to keep and eye on coming out of there. But my point is you can not just look at the numbers and disregard any other information pertaining to subject. And I certainly don’t expect you to agree with me.
August 5th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
The problem with comparing MMA to other sports is that in fighting anybody can beat anybody at any time, so hell yes even small shows count. And no matter what, a winning record overall shows that the level doesn’t matter, they just WIN. Go AZ Combat!
August 5th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Ummmm, no.
The possibilty for Kansas to take the Celtics exists. It is not impossible. However, through a season, the difference would become quite clear.
Does Matt Serra belong at the top of the game? Is he ranked in the PfP’s? Is he even ranked in the top WW’s? Do you know why? Because he isn’t an elite fighter. What happened for him was a fluke. Perhaps at a lower level he could be very prosperous, but not at the UFC or equivalent level.
If MMA was all just random events happening (anybody at any time) then there would be no champions, only lucky streaks. Is Anderson Silva that lucky? No. He’s that good.
When people complain about fighters getting easy fights, and that to get a title shot they should fight guys in the top 10, 5, 3, etc. If a win was a win, then this is an invalid argument. It is not, because a win is not a win.
Do you see where this all goes? How many different ways must I say it?
Thing about ACS is that they might just be that good. They haven’t been tested yet though. The only prospect that I’ve heard of coming from there (there may be more) is Launchpad, and we all know what happened to him.