Comments on: The World’s Worst MMA Camps http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/08/03/the-worlds-worst-mma-camps/ Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:03:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Me http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/08/03/the-worlds-worst-mma-camps/#comment-25185 Me Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:46:57 +0000 http://www.cagepotato.com/?p=2190#comment-25185 Ummmm, no. The possibilty for Kansas to take the Celtics exists. It is not impossible. However, through a season, the difference would become quite clear. Does Matt Serra belong at the top of the game? Is he ranked in the PfP's? Is he even ranked in the top WW's? Do you know why? Because he isn't an elite fighter. What happened for him was a fluke. Perhaps at a lower level he could be very prosperous, but not at the UFC or equivalent level. If MMA was all just random events happening (anybody at any time) then there would be no champions, only lucky streaks. Is Anderson Silva that lucky? No. He's that good. When people complain about fighters getting easy fights, and that to get a title shot they should fight guys in the top 10, 5, 3, etc. If a win was a win, then this is an invalid argument. It is not, because a win is not a win. Do you see where this all goes? How many different ways must I say it? Thing about ACS is that they might just be that good. They haven't been tested yet though. The only prospect that I've heard of coming from there (there may be more) is Launchpad, and we all know what happened to him. Ummmm, no.

The possibilty for Kansas to take the Celtics exists. It is not impossible. However, through a season, the difference would become quite clear.

Does Matt Serra belong at the top of the game? Is he ranked in the PfP’s? Is he even ranked in the top WW’s? Do you know why? Because he isn’t an elite fighter. What happened for him was a fluke. Perhaps at a lower level he could be very prosperous, but not at the UFC or equivalent level.

If MMA was all just random events happening (anybody at any time) then there would be no champions, only lucky streaks. Is Anderson Silva that lucky? No. He’s that good.

When people complain about fighters getting easy fights, and that to get a title shot they should fight guys in the top 10, 5, 3, etc. If a win was a win, then this is an invalid argument. It is not, because a win is not a win.

Do you see where this all goes? How many different ways must I say it?

Thing about ACS is that they might just be that good. They haven’t been tested yet though. The only prospect that I’ve heard of coming from there (there may be more) is Launchpad, and we all know what happened to him.

]]> By: Bootylam! http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/08/03/the-worlds-worst-mma-camps/#comment-25126 Bootylam! Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:21:45 +0000 http://www.cagepotato.com/?p=2190#comment-25126 The problem with comparing MMA to other sports is that in fighting anybody can beat anybody at any time, so hell yes even small shows count. And no matter what, a winning record overall shows that the level doesn't matter, they just WIN. Go AZ Combat! The problem with comparing MMA to other sports is that in fighting anybody can beat anybody at any time, so hell yes even small shows count. And no matter what, a winning record overall shows that the level doesn’t matter, they just WIN. Go AZ Combat!

]]> By: Patrick http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/08/03/the-worlds-worst-mma-camps/#comment-25049 Patrick Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:59:23 +0000 http://www.cagepotato.com/?p=2190#comment-25049 Yes a win is still a win in the record books. But the level of competition at the lower level is not the same at the UFC, EliteXC, WEC level. Saying a win a a low level show is just as good is like saying a guy playing football for a local semi-pro team is just the same as playing in the NFL. Varner is proven, and there are alot of guys to keep and eye on coming out of there. But my point is you can not just look at the numbers and disregard any other information pertaining to subject. And I certainly don't expect you to agree with me. Yes a win is still a win in the record books. But the level of competition at the lower level is not the same at the UFC, EliteXC, WEC level. Saying a win a a low level show is just as good is like saying a guy playing football for a local semi-pro team is just the same as playing in the NFL. Varner is proven, and there are alot of guys to keep and eye on coming out of there. But my point is you can not just look at the numbers and disregard any other information pertaining to subject. And I certainly don’t expect you to agree with me.

]]> By: Me http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/08/03/the-worlds-worst-mma-camps/#comment-25047 Me Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:47:53 +0000 http://www.cagepotato.com/?p=2190#comment-25047 So, Launchpad, what you are saying here is that if Xtreme Couture sent all their fighters to Capt. Kangs Backyard Brawlz for 8 straight years and had a record of 400-2, then they could be considered the best team ever? Though the UFC is not THE standard, it is A standard by which one can be judged. There is a noticeable difference between the elite leagues and the "low-level" leagues, just like any other sport. Can Kansas really be mentioned in the same conversation as the Celtics? How about a AAA team and a major league team? Do you see the difference? The UFC is one of many organizations that constitute the "elite-level" of MMA. Others may include the former PRIDE org or now DREAM, Affliction or even (sadly) Elite-XC. So, Launchpad, what you are saying here is that if Xtreme Couture sent all their fighters to Capt. Kangs Backyard Brawlz for 8 straight years and had a record of 400-2, then they could be considered the best team ever?

Though the UFC is not THE standard, it is A standard by which one can be judged. There is a noticeable difference between the elite leagues and the “low-level” leagues, just like any other sport. Can Kansas really be mentioned in the same conversation as the Celtics? How about a AAA team and a major league team? Do you see the difference?

The UFC is one of many organizations that constitute the “elite-level” of MMA. Others may include the former PRIDE org or now DREAM, Affliction or even (sadly) Elite-XC.

]]> By: ArizonaMMA http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/08/03/the-worlds-worst-mma-camps/#comment-25020 ArizonaMMA Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:15:17 +0000 http://www.cagepotato.com/?p=2190#comment-25020 Yes Patrick, Arizona Combat Sports IS in the same discussion as AKA, Miletich, Jacksons, ATT, or Xtreme Couture. ACS is putting out some really good fighters. A lot of amateur fighters yes, but good, well-rounded quality fighters. A win is a win whether "low-level" or UFC level. The all-mighty UFC is not the standard to which all other are judged. Yes Patrick, Arizona Combat Sports IS in the same discussion as AKA, Miletich, Jacksons, ATT, or Xtreme Couture. ACS is putting out some really good fighters. A lot of amateur fighters yes, but good, well-rounded quality fighters. A win is a win whether “low-level” or UFC level. The all-mighty UFC is not the standard to which all other are judged.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/08/03/the-worlds-worst-mma-camps/#comment-25017 Patrick Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:02:49 +0000 http://www.cagepotato.com/?p=2190#comment-25017 I wouldn't read too much into this list. First of all, not every fighter has been with the same camp the entire time. Especially with many of the examples listed. Vera and Lister haven't been with City Boxing in awhile. Baroni has not always been with Hammer House. And alot of the guys at Jacksons were not there 2-3 years ago. Second, does the win/loss record of the camp really indicate its success? Is Arizona Combat Sports really in the same dicussion as AKA, Miletich, Jacksons, ATT, or Xtreme Couture? This list assumes all fights are at the same level. You can not compare wins at some low level show with wins at the UFC level. I wouldn’t read too much into this list. First of all, not every fighter has been with the same camp the entire time. Especially with many of the examples listed. Vera and Lister haven’t been with City Boxing in awhile. Baroni has not always been with Hammer House. And alot of the guys at Jacksons were not there 2-3 years ago. Second, does the win/loss record of the camp really indicate its success? Is Arizona Combat Sports really in the same dicussion as AKA, Miletich, Jacksons, ATT, or Xtreme Couture? This list assumes all fights are at the same level. You can not compare wins at some low level show with wins at the UFC level.

]]> By: Jeffro http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/08/03/the-worlds-worst-mma-camps/#comment-24983 Jeffro Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:01:27 +0000 http://www.cagepotato.com/?p=2190#comment-24983 Dirty Bob - Best illegal axe kick to da head, ever! Which Pride was that? WAR Team Schrijber! Dirty Bob - Best illegal axe kick to da head, ever! Which Pride was that?

WAR Team Schrijber!

]]> By: mike http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/08/03/the-worlds-worst-mma-camps/#comment-24967 mike Mon, 04 Aug 2008 04:05:29 +0000 http://www.cagepotato.com/?p=2190#comment-24967 bookgrub, that makes sense. thanks dude. bookgrub, that makes sense. thanks dude.

]]> By: Noah http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/08/03/the-worlds-worst-mma-camps/#comment-24966 Noah Mon, 04 Aug 2008 03:56:26 +0000 http://www.cagepotato.com/?p=2190#comment-24966 The thing that's left to be questioned, besides what has already been brought up, is at what level of competition did these camps get their wins? That is something that's hard to look at objectively, but you can't always judge a camp by it's win ratio. Just like you can't always judge a fighter by their win ratio. Wandy lost to Cro Cop, Henderson, and Liddell, then just beat Jardine. He's 3-1 in his last four fights! But people don't say that he sucks, after all, when you're fighting that level of competition you can't win them all. The thing that’s left to be questioned, besides what has already been brought up, is at what level of competition did these camps get their wins? That is something that’s hard to look at objectively, but you can’t always judge a camp by it’s win ratio. Just like you can’t always judge a fighter by their win ratio. Wandy lost to Cro Cop, Henderson, and Liddell, then just beat Jardine. He’s 3-1 in his last four fights! But people don’t say that he sucks, after all, when you’re fighting that level of competition you can’t win them all.

]]> By: bookgrub http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/08/03/the-worlds-worst-mma-camps/#comment-24965 bookgrub Mon, 04 Aug 2008 03:48:41 +0000 http://www.cagepotato.com/?p=2190#comment-24965 @mike: This only counts camps with a cumulative record of over 100 fights, no small extra-losey teams, no individuals. It would seem that only camps who can win at least half their fights go on for long enough to rack up 100 bouts. @mike: This only counts camps with a cumulative record of over 100 fights, no small extra-losey teams, no individuals.

It would seem that only camps who can win at least half their fights go on for long enough to rack up 100 bouts.

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