(Video of the Daley/Koscheck cheap shot, courtesy of LynchTheGrynch; sorry about those first eight seconds, guys.)
In case you missed the press conference, the big news coming out of UFC 113‘s post-event aftermath is that Paul Daley and Kimbo Slice have been released from the UFC. Daley suffered his first loss in the Octagon after being smothered by Josh Koscheck for three rounds in their co-headlining bout last night, then followed it up by slugging Kos after the bell (see above). As Dana White explained to reporters, the poor decision earned Daley a permanent ban from the UFC:
As for Kimbo, his lopsided loss to rookie TUF 10 vet Matt Mitrione was enough to seal his fate. But unlike Daley, White has nothing but respect for the former YouTube brawler:
“Kimbo made it farther than I thought he would. He came in and took this serious, trained, and went after it…I like him as a person, and I think he’s carried himself really well…His first fight [against Houston Alexander], it wasn’t like the YouTube fights that you saw, but he won that fight. He deserved another fight in the UFC, and he lost."
Amazingly, one of the judges scored the first round for Kimbo.
In other post-113 news, $65,000 end-of-night bonuses were handed out to the following fighters…
Submission of the Night: Alan Belcher for his second-round rear-naked choke of Patrick Cote that opened the night’s pay-per-view broadcast.
Knockout of the Night: Who else? New light-heavyweight champ Mauricio Rua picked up the extra cash for ending the Machida Era in just 3:35. Careful, Shogun, that belt is a hot potato — Chuck Liddell is still the last 205-pound UFC champion to defend it more than once.
Fight of the Night: Jeremy Stephens and Sam Stout for their three-round throwdown, which Stephens won by split decision.
All four fighters improved their positions on the newly-updated UFC Performance Bonus Leaderboard, so give it a look when you have a chance.
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Sun, 05/09/10 - 07:37
first
Sun, 05/09/10 - 07:39
Just when you think you know a guy...
Sun, 05/09/10 - 07:41
2nd....and good ridence to dailey. semtex out
Sun, 05/09/10 - 07:42
Koscheck is a homo. That knee didnt even hit him.Dayle made a bad decision and got what he deserved, but what about a guy who fakes getting hit and then hits the mat?
Sun, 05/09/10 - 07:42
3 things. Meat Head is one likeable SOB, hope he keeps improving. Daley is a dummy, he showed he is one dimensional, had a run of sorts, but he probably got farther than he should have before maxing out on a limited skill set. I agree with DW, adios bee-atch. Plus, Kos being a villain is all good for the UFC, Dana just sees dollar signs where that guy goes. But back to MMA, how gnarly did Rua look, all the more cause Machida looked really good too. They were both in top form, but the pace favored Rua. Machida's a lay-n-pray kinda guy, Rua combines top level skills with intense yet controlled aggression. Imma love the new era.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 07:47
Kos was even faking the eye injury after the fight. The punch didn't even connect. What a bitch.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 07:47
War Moms!!
Sun, 05/09/10 - 07:51
good riddance to tampax. that was a dirty, dirty move. his behavior showed who the real pu**y was. bye bye! now he can go back and fight in some no-name promotion in the u.k. that no one gives a crap about
Sun, 05/09/10 - 08:10
Well well, that British pool of talent is proving to be very shallow and uninteresting. The brits are much better at running around in packs after a soccer game and boot fucking some poor bastard that gets singled out in a back alley. Real tough blokes when it 5 on 1. Good riddance
Sun, 05/09/10 - 08:16
Did anyone else think the vast majority of the fighters looked gassed from the go? I know here in MTL we have some of the best Strip Clubs in North America... But you'd think these guys would be able to hold off until after the fights. It's too bad ONLY Daley got canned... Even though Kos "won", he doesn't deserve a shot against GSP. He'll be wrecked again though gladly.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 08:18
on DW canning Daley, "I don't care if he's the best P4P in the world, he'll never fight here again.".....only because he knows he's never going to be that good. However, even after being somewhat cordial in his dismissal of K Ferg, he'll never admit that he only brought him to the UFC to drain what was left of the "Internet Brawler's" Gravy Train. Hopefully, Kos really did catch a finger in the eye from that sucker punch! But I'm glad Daley is gone, I couldn't bear to watch GSP make 5 rounds of man love to another dude. WAR RUA!
Sun, 05/09/10 - 08:21
Maybe I'm wrong so please help me out CP nation but..... Isn't it against the unified rules to "fake" an injury or knowingly and intentionally try to pause the "action" during the fight solely based on getting a "break" or timeout by playing the game? I know that's worded funny but I think you guys know what I mean. If so how come Koscheck hasn't been told anything. Its his 2nd time doing so. Even Rogan commented on why he's faking.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 08:27
So.....Daley and Kimbo to Strikeforce? Wouldn't surprise me in the least.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 08:31
I am a new fan of Matt Mitrione after last night. That dude has a thick ass head and just fuckin' smiles like a big ole dummy whether he's takin' punishment or dishin' it out. Dude needs some cardio really bad though. He earned himself a new nickname with my group last night: Short Bus Matt. The way he was smiling the whole time was fuuuuuuuckin' hilarious!
Sun, 05/09/10 - 08:34
I doubt either one will go to Strikeforce. Coker doesnt need another after the bell person in his org and as much as kimbo is a freak someone said it in another post. Dana only took him on to get the most out of him ala lights out toney. I will say this much I have to tip my hat to Dan " I ran into a tree" Miragliotta tonight. I normally bash the crap out of this guy. But he stepped in and hooked daley and ended anything else that could of happened. Smart move by staying close to that action cause you know he was hearing that mad jawing going on. That could have been worse but again Dan was there. To bad he is never that good while the fight is on. :-(
Sun, 05/09/10 - 08:35
God damnit Daley , what a bad move - I want to hear what he has to say after his release... Interrupt Kos' postfight - call him a pussy, flick him off.. anything other than blatantly hitting him after the bell. Kos' is still a bitch in my book - but congrats on the win and future loss to GSP. I wanted Kimbo to win, but it was obvious he wouldn't - He needs to beg for his job back and drop to 205. And Machida was always overrated - thank you shogun -edit- That daley punch didn't even connect, what the fuck......
Sun, 05/09/10 - 08:37
wow.. Gotta Give Koschek some respect.. he took that late blow like a man , didnt even try to hit him back , he was composed.. Daley is a retard.... enough said ... Hope he signs with strikeforce tho would like to see daley vs diaz that'd be a good striking battle
Sun, 05/09/10 - 08:57
if the rule against pile driving isnt for what belcher did to cote at the end of their fight a neck is going to have to snap before that rule is enforced.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 09:00
I hate Koscheck - he's such a cock. I'll give him his respect as a fighter, and props to him for finally sticking to a game plan - but that's where the props end. GSP will handle him properly. Nice job Ross Kos... insulting the hometown fans while simultaneously announcing the location of your after party is a good way to get yourself jumped, son. I hope a Montreal native fucks you up... badly. My buddy's girlfriend was watching UFC for the first time last night and, regarding Kos' illegal-knee-to-fraggle-hair she said "Oh my god... he's totally faking". C'mon... if a newbie can point that shit out then it's ridiculously obvious to everyone else. And for Rogan to comment about it like it's a good fuckin' strategy(!) - that's some bullshit right there.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 09:01
Congratulations to Paul Daley for winning the "Sandy Vagina" award. And just so Mssr. Daley might understand, "Bugger off, you poncey little woofter." Thanks to Tampax for making Rosscheck seem sympathetic. Do you have any fucking idea how difficult that is?
Sun, 05/09/10 - 09:03
I think Chelsea's gonna win the championship... Oh wait, am I on Soccerpotato.com or cagepotato.com?
Sun, 05/09/10 - 09:12
seems a tad hypocritical really. first, it was a stupid act and he should very much be sent to the curb for it. but what's hypocritical is that nate diaz can go to another promotion and soccer kick a guys head in after a fight and not even get so much as a slap on the wrist.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 09:14
Bahahah! Rosscheck blocked that sucker punch with his right glove and Tampax still gets cut. Love it. And I would have thought it would have taken more than one loss to cut Kimbo. Seems he could have pulled a few more buys in another ppv. War Meatrione.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 09:38
Kos was right about one thing though, the Pittsburgh Penguins are going to whoop Montreal's ass. Let's Go Pens. Kos won over a lot of his hometown fans in Pittsburgh last night.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 09:50
SO stupid from Daley. If he hadn't done that, the story would have been Koscheck faking an injury and laying and praying for three rounds. Instead he gets cut, although I have to say that if you don't get cut for going on a driving Rampage getting no-arguments-cut-forever for punching a guy ten seconds after a fight is pretty weak. Also, what the F was insulting the Montreal sports team? That's a pro wrestling tactic...
Sun, 05/09/10 - 09:50
Rex13 does all this complaining about how is fp is fucked and he still beats me...
Sun, 05/09/10 - 09:56
Dan Miragliotta swung Daley around like a ragdoll. I LOLed really bad during that incident because of that. But yeah. Good riddance on Paul Daley. He was overrated coming in, and he was classless going out.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 09:58
Lol he did block that sucker punch! Am I the only guy that
Sun, 05/09/10 - 10:02
Good Job by Big Dan.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 10:02
Fuck KOS, Fuck TUF next season(this one too), Daley deserved what he got, but I laughed hard and I've gotta say Rosscheck is a gigantic douche lord who deserved the punch for being a faker(again). Kos must know that he can't really hang with top tier fighters anymore so he's using the camera time to work on his pro-wrasslin' techniques.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 10:18
Fuck Daley and wannabe mma fighter Kimbo slice! King Rua is here to stay! Hopin he does'nt get all lazy on us and skips practises like he's done in the past. If not, we've got ourselves a new era people!
Sun, 05/09/10 - 10:27
Not condoning Daley's actions, whatsoever, but if you watch the punch in slow motion, it looks like Kos got hit on the glove, not the face...He may be up for another Oscar...
Sun, 05/09/10 - 10:28
After avoiding TUF for the past few seasons (I have an allergic reaction to grunty grunty douchebaggery & melodrama), I might actually watch a season of GSP humiliating Rosscheck. I'd love to see Sideshow BobRosscheck get pounded so hard, the highlight reel could be on NothingToxic.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 10:28
Seriously... If I could I'd train my ass off to get to the UFC and get a shot at Koscheck and do what Daley did even if it meant getting fired. Fucking hate Josh Cockcheck
Sun, 05/09/10 - 10:32
@PERPATRATOR Man, I love Kos too. I hope he runs through GSP. Last night was the best UFC in a long time for me. None of the people I watch the fights with knew who Shogun, or any Pride fighters were, and I talked him up so big sayin he was gonna run through the LHWs. Then he loses to Forest, and looks like crap against Coleman. Last night was like redemption. It was awesome. WAR SHOGUN!!!!!
Sun, 05/09/10 - 10:41
Damn Koscheck really humiliated Daley in the battle of "who is the biggest asshole." Daley couldn't handle it and risked losing his job just to punch Koscheck in the hand. Koscheck basically told the world last night Daley couldn't punch him even if turned his back on him. Funny how the only thing interesting parts about the Daley vs Koscheck rivalry will have absolutely nothing to do with the actual fight itself with the exception of the imaginary knee to the head. There was a lot of trash talk, a photoshop contest, and an illegal punch that Koscheck also sold as hitting him in the face. But I have to admit, Koscheck put the cherry on top of this whole battle of the assholes in his post-fight interview. I couldn't help but laugh my ass off.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 10:44
@ stpnrazor When I saw that happen I thought Cote was going to be knocked out. It looked like the poor man's Rampage slam. They should keep a look out for and do what they can to avoid signature finishing moves like this.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 10:52
Daley is a douche. Kos is a douche. Kimbo did pretty good, and Mitrione is growing on me. Rua left no doubts. The Machida era was short-lived. I know this one is off-topic, but did anyone else see Yamasaki's technique stopping Belcher after the low-blow on Cote? He damn near took him right down stopping that punch. That was good ref work last night in a couple of areas.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 11:12
I bet they both WILL end up in Strikefarce, as overly paid, questionable acquisitions with no real upside other than their notoriety (Semtex can bang, I guess). They can both add to the crimson geyser of cash that spews forth out of Strikeforce's neck every time they hold an event. If they had half a brain they would go after some of the promising prospects the UFC digs up and then kicks to the curb if they have a bad night on the wrong weekend (some guy got cut after his first and only loss lately). Guys that are actually pretty good that they could get for pennies on the dollar. Actually, one of the things that sets the UFC apart from these other losers is their ability to constantly find interesting and promising prospects. Instead, I'm sure Coker will be dying to snap these guys up and pay them $250,000 to fight Frank Shamrock.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 11:14
alright i dont know whats up with alot of u but whatever. cote fell on his face not the top his skull. its legal because at any given point cote couldve let his legs go to save himself anyways. rampage slams dudes on there backs bouncing the back of there heads not the top of there skulls(piledriver) or there face (belcher). kimbo exposed himself durring the ultimate fighter showing he has a bad leg. houston kinda took advantage of that and mitrione took full advantage of it and my hats off to him for it. why he chose not to put presure on the triangle and keep it locked i have no idea, makes me question his submission game if he couldnt finish kimbo slice with a few of his attempts but i liked the fight anyways. im not a big kos fan and hes a pussy for complaining about a knee to the face that didnt seem to connect at all. but he was technically on the ground and dailey shouldnt have thrown it anyways. dailey pulld a stupid move trying to hit kos after the fight. as for the main event. beautiful fight. what i dont think anyone mentioned is that machida was winning this fight. he got some good knees to the body stuffed ruas takedowns and took rua down as well. the most effective thing rua had was taking machida against the cage and kneeing him in the legs. props to rua for having great patience, timing and accuracy to knock out machida. never thought that would happen.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 11:27
I love the fact people are so pissed because somebody punched somebody in the face. I know, it was poor sportsmanship, but this is like the second incident in a row that everybody's panties got stuck in a big old crusty lump because of minor shenanigans. Nobody got injured in either "The Brawl" (tm) or "The Suckerpunch" (tm) and the more everybody carries on about this shit the more a big deal gets made out of nothing. Dana White is like an irate Gloria Steinem with a podium and a microphone. Except his head looks like a giant penis and that would piss Gloria right off.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 11:36
glad i'm not the only one who thought cote got spiked. good job by belcher to finish, and he looked like a beast, but i really figured that if we were ever gonna see a piledriver get called, that would be the one - it looked like his head hit above the hairline; i'm not sure how much more spiked on your head you need to be to be spiked on your head, unless they're expecting to see a man go totally vertical like in pro wrestling... i really wanted to see daley knock out kos, but i kinda figured that would be how that fight went. he actually impressed me; managed to take minimal damage off his back, reguarded real well. too bad he's a retard. hopefully the rest of the fighters take notice and we won't have to see another of those. i don't necessarily agree with kicking him out of the org for good, but i guess when you're the president of the biggest promotion in the world you can make those calls; there will be no shortage of guys wanting the newly-available position. and speaking of daley/kos, did anyone else think big dan could have prevented the whole thing if he'd just stayed between them? he probably should have known that daley wasn't looking for a post-fight hug. he was between them when they first stood up, he looked like he was gonna keep 'em apart, then he just kinda let daley go. nice reaction time after the sucker punch tho...
Sun, 05/09/10 - 11:43
no offense to rogen but he tends to nut hug one fighter ignoring the other fighter at times and of course goldberg nut hugs everything joe roegan says. i was taking a piss after the fight ended anyways i thought it was clean the ref seemed to think it was clean cote isnt dead so all seems good to me
Sun, 05/09/10 - 11:49
I know I'm in the minority but the slam on Cote had me thinking it was illegal too. Rogan is actually wrong on this one. It did look like an illegal piledriver.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 11:58
@omelette platter Yeah, I winced when the piledriver went down. I thought "Belncher's gonna get DQ'ed" then he choked Cote out. When I heard that Cote was saying something to the ref about the piledriver as he was getting chocked out, I felt REALLY bad for him. PS: I have never heard that bullshit about the piledriver being "Legal" as long as the guy lands on his face. As far as I know, it's always been a concern because of what is called "Axial loading" and the way Cote landed, I thought his spine was screwed. Rogan needs to check his little notebook again.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 12:15
@kimbos bread- u callin me rogan. ouch bro. piledrivers go through the top of the skull im not saying it cause rogan said it. landing on ur face is a different form of impact. ref didnt stop it and dana didnt say anything (i dont think) about it at the press conference. cote couldve let go before as well so.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 12:37
looks like "semtex" finally exploded Also, people who are comparing what daley did to nate diaz stomping on mayhem... Dana White probably gave him a bonus for that, seeing as how it fucked over Strikeforce - UFC's top competitor.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 12:45
Mr_Misanthropy Says: Sun, 05/09/2010 - 21:27 I love the fact people are so pissed because somebody punched somebody in the face. I know, it was poor sportsmanship, but this is like the second incident in a row that everybody's panties got stuck in a big old crusty lump because of minor shenanigans. Nobody got injured in either "The Brawl" (tm) or "The Suckerpunch" (tm) and the more everybody carries on about this shit the more a big deal gets made out of nothing. Dana White is like an irate Gloria Steinem with a podium and a microphone. Except his head looks like a giant penis and that would piss Gloria right off. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Again, just like in the other thread I do not agree with you. Nobody's panties are in a bunch up their ass. this isn't about over-reacting, it's about a topnotch classless act that isn't condoned anywhere, much less the top of the MMA world in the UFC. You need to re-evaluate this. This isn't some minor silliness or shenanigans as you said. On top of that your excuse of "no one got hurt, no injuries" is wrong as well, it isn't about whether or not kos got hurt or injured, or even if he blocked the punch, the fact of the matter is you don't do it to begin with, the end result is you get fired as it should be. Daley could have done a handful of things that might have been funny or even silly, and kept his job, but he didn't he committed the dumbest act you can do in that situation. The brawlers from strikefarce should have got the same punishment, FIRED, but unlike UFC strikefarce has idiots running it. You can Call Dana all the names in the book, and thats funny, but he was right, and within his rights, and I and others agree with him...fuck Daley. As a sidenote, there are people now bashing Hardy for this shit, and I for one don't agree with that as well I happen to have hated hardy till the GSP fight, but I found him to be classy in defeat, and he won more fans losing than he ever would have by winning. I do not for an instant believe that Hardy condones Daleys act of stupidity, and I don't hate all brits cause of one ignorant childish act by daley.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 12:45
@Lorenzoe I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about Rogan saying that landing on ones face off a spike is "legal". I think the point isn't where your face is in 3 dimensional space when you get planted; the point is axial loading; and the way Cote landed, it certainly looked like there was axial loading. Sorry for the confusion. Yeah I wouldn't call anybody Joe Rogan here on CP. Not unless they're into flashing their cocks for perverted pre-teen boys in the shower room.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 01:54
@drano- All I'm trying to say is, all of this stuff is old news and not such a big deal. I've seen way worse shit in boxing, hockey, football, baseball, basketball, soccer, and other MMA fights. I don't even like team sports and never watch them and I've still seen a few brawls in sports that don't even have anything remotely to do with fighting. I've seen stuff in boxing that would apparently curdle your blood since you seem to think these incidents are so terrible. I agree with the guy that said that if Daley deserves to get canned then why the fuck does Rampage have a job? He went on a multiple city truck crashing tour and Dana helped him get legal advice. Its not that I condone poor sportsmanship and in-ring brawls, but this will not be the first and last time you see something unexpected transpire in the cage. I wouldn't be surprised if you saw a brawl at the televised weigh-ins some day, these are hot-headed alpha males that fight for a living. I just get tired of all of these people with their "This is bad for the sport!" bullshit. The sport is here to stay, it is growing and will continue to grow, and none of that really has anything to do with all of its athletes adhering to some unspoken doctrine of "respectful conduct". People watch this shit because it is exciting. People are moving away from boxing because it is not exciting anymore. People continued to watch boxing for years while it was populated with some of the biggest egotistical assholes walking the face of the Earth. The problem was they all started trying to hug each other for $20 mil and the action died. Meaningful fights weren't made anymore because everybody's giant egos were holding out for astronomical pay checks and all of the greedy fags running the show just sat there and watched it die. I don't really need this sport to grow any faster than it is, I find plenty of fights to watch. That it will continue to grow is inevitable, and all of these relatively minor instances of poor sportsmanship will never go away and will only be mere foot notes in the history of the sport. People are always going to fight, and I'm always going to watch them. As long as the judges and officials involved in these circumstances let the fight decide itself, I'm happy. That's the way I see it and if your opinion differs, hooray for you.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 01:56
Did anybody see Ricardo Mayorga sucker punch Din Thomas on that radio show recently? Shit happens.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 02:07
So Daley pulled some bullshit moves, and I think he should be punished. I'm just confused on the UFC guidlines for punishment. Something like holding a heel hook waaaaaaaayyyyyy to long, which in my opinion is possibly career ending and worse than a sucker punch by far, gets a 90 day suspension. Throwing a sucker punch because your retart ass got out smarted by a fraggle earns you a permanent ban? True I guess a sucker punch can do some serious damage in the worst case scenario, but that just seems like they got the punishments backwards to me.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 02:31
@ ghostboner I agree- this shit's all fucked up. We need to create a UFC judging judiciary with a constitution and bill of rights. Judges will be elected for life and granted the sacred power to disburse suspensions, fines, and employment terminations. We'll elect seven sensible candidates to interpret the canon of UFC law and all disputed cases will go to a higher court for appeal. The UFC can construct a brig in the basement of the Mandalay Bay where suspensions will be served in 4 x 8 cells in absolute darkness with no visitors; all offenders will be fed bread and water and given a 5 gallon bucket to contain urine and feces.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 03:48
"Mr_Misanthropy Says: Sun, 05/09/2010 - 23:54 @drano- All I'm trying to say is, all of this stuff is old news and not such a big deal." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Listen I understand where your coming from better now but it's not old news its the first time ever its happened in UFC, and thats my point not about boxing or any other sport, I'm saying in the UFC this shit shouldn't be allowed. period. ever. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I agree with the guy that said that if Daley deserves to get canned then why the fuck does Rampage have a job? He went on a multiple city truck crashing tour and Dana helped him get legal advice." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Because Rampage didn't do it in the ring during a sanctioned fight. is that double standard, sure it is. but the fact remains he didn't go to jail, he barely got punished and so if the law didn't punish him then why should Dana? But when you do something during your job, and it reflects badly on your employer you should get fired and thats what Daley did. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Its not that I condone poor sportsmanship and in-ring brawls, but this will not be the first and last time you see something unexpected transpire in the cage. I wouldn't be surprised if you saw a brawl at the televised weigh-ins some day, these are hot-headed alpha males that fight for a living." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I totally agree with you dude, it could happen again, and yes these guy are primed to pull that kinda shit cause of how pumped they are, but when and if it happens that they go beyond pushing and name calling and actually sucker punch each other outside of a sanctioned authorized situation then the person or persons who do that NEED to be made an example of and fired just like Daley, cause yes you are right bro they certainly have the potential to explode but they are called pros for a reason they act like it or pay the punishment for their stupid testosterone driven brains. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " I just get tired of all of these people with their "This is bad for the sport!" bullshit. The sport is here to stay, it is growing and will continue to grow, and none of that really has anything to do with all of its athletes adhering to some unspoken doctrine of "respectful conduct". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well it IS bad for the sport, regardless of how we both feel it achieves nothing but to put the sport in bad light with people who know nothing of this sport that is not the image of MMA that I want or any sane person wants to see given. I get tired of defending MMA to my friends who dont see anything but brock Lesner being a cock, and Daley being a cry baby thug who lost his cool. Sure you are right I feel as you do that MMA is here to stay, and it will grow, this wont kill it, but it slows it down. the more assclowns in the mix the harder it is to garner respect in world full of sports that have NONE. I would like MMA to be better than football or baseball or basketball. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "if your opinion differs, hooray for you." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- it does differ, so yep hip hurrah for me :) also on a side note I would like to say, I'm having a hard time giving you shit, and I want you to know I am NOT wanting to give you shit, I just want to answer your points of reference. I also have to say I saw where you went back and edited your comment on another thread the one about the insane kool-aid man thing, and I laughed my ass of, and I gotta say you going back and adding that made me laugh my ass off and I sure appreciated, it made my freaking day, so you see its very hard right now to even remotely give you shit...you rock.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 03:52
oh damn I just looked at all that,... fuck I'm sorry didn't mean to write a novel that no one will read....ok guys feel free to give me shit for that. My bad.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 03:56
Yeah, I tried to make peace but it was on some other post. At least we can both express ourselves in more than single syllable grunts and broken English like what I commonly see on "other" (no names will be given) websites.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 04:42
ghostboner>> i see what you mean, but this is really about perception of the UFC by those who aren't educated/familiar with the sport. Daley's sucker punch is the kind of thuggish behavior that DW cannot tolerate, especially after his comments about the StrikeForce brawl. Palhares did something that was definitely more damaging to his opponent, but the only way someone would know that was if they knew what a heel hook does--not the crowd that's likely to start calling for MMA to be banned.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 05:10
ReX- Good point, you should get into politics. The UFC should fire Marc Ratner and hire you.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 05:19
Mr Misanthropy>> Speaking of diplomacy, it warms my heart to see you and dranokills having a discussion like that. I see brohugs in the future.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 05:21
I second that. A vote for Rex13 is a vote for "silly assbaggery" I'm for that.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 05:23
I'm not convinced it was just the sucker punch that led to daley being fired, it may also have something to do with how he couldn't even counter a high school wrestling gameplan, and that he's also just generally a fucken idiot. Just my opinion
Sun, 05/09/10 - 05:50
I certainly hope no-ones suggesting you are a troll, Misanthropy, which one was it dude, just point the muthafucka out, Oh, and your not that abrasive, once again, jokes my friend
Sun, 05/09/10 - 06:37
Everyone is talking about the UFC's image and it's easy to say nobody got hurt, but really.... these are trained fighters and a strike that is unprotected and unexpected by one of these guys could prove fatal. Doesn't matter how good a fighter you are if you are hit when you are not prepared it, it's pretty much bedtime. A simple concussion can ruin a career. Dana White did the right thing. Although I have to laugh, Kos is such a dick he's probably used to getting suckered cuz he even had his hand up just turning around! GSP will wreck him. Mitrione smiling the entire fight was great.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 07:40
Awesome fights last night, and some serious reactionary posts on Kos and Daley, (as well as others ie: Belchers DDT on Cote, and comparisons between Daley and Rampage and Daley and Strikeforce). Usually when something like this happens(ref. Sucker Punch) I can turn to C.P. and look for CAPS LOCK HAL and other unnamed trollers for hilarity to ensue. This is part of what makes C.P. enjoyable. By no means would I ever turn to the Potato forums to seek understanding and meaning to that which befuddles me and leaves me wanting answers about this sport. But it is refreshing to see a smidgeon of intelligent discussion (Mr_Misanthropy, Dranokills, Omelette Platter, just to name a few) on the "Hot topics". This interests me, so I want to add my two cents. For all the idiots that don't understand why Daley is working on his resume right now and not preparing for his comeback bout, it's because they must live in a fucking cave that doesn't have cable, you know, like a fucking "C.H.U.D." Every time I turn on the news I see Chris Matthews or Bill Oreilly Badgering MMA, calling it "Babaric, and Brutal." And I see Money Grubbing douche bags like Dana White trying their best to defend it. Yeah we're all a little blood thirsty, that's the draw to combative sports. First I just liked watching big fat dudes getting their arms busted by little Brazillians, that evolved into an interest in the "SPORT." I'm sure very few people watched UFC 1 or 2 and thought to themselves..."wow what is this, the technique is outstanding, the way a pugilist is matched against a grappler has intrigued me imensely. I must see more!" NO, people like watching mother fuckers with big mouths talk a bunch of shit then get KTFO'D!! Humans like watching horrible shit, like train wrecks and Cop shows. That has all gone to the way-side and MMA has evolved into a true sport since then, but that's what brought us all here. However, it's a money thing now. In order for this to continue to grow, guys like DW must appeal to the powers that be. In case you're unaware (C.H.U.D's), UFC 113 almost didn't happen in Montreal. It almost didn't happen because the local governments up there still regard MMA as a brutal sport and their sanctioning bodies don't want to touch it. It took assloads of French Butt Kissing and PR and red tape cutting to get that done in Montreal. "Yeah, who cares, fuck the Canucs, if they don't like it we'll just do another show in Buffalo." That would be fine with me too but not for the growing of the sport. It needs to be sanctioned in places like that, hell, I don't know the exact numbers, but several states don't even allow MMA. Dana wants to make his money, we want to see the sport grow. If for nothing else but just so it's more readily available to us. Firing Daley was an easy move the way I see it. Coming on the first event in a difficult venue, the UFC had to make a serious call on Daley. What made it easy was Dana knows that Daley would never amount to much in the UFC. His next fight would have for sure seen him delegated to gate keeper to GSP. I know it, you know it, CAPS LOCK HAL knows it. I personally feel he's the most one dimentional fighter in recent MMA history (less Mark Coleman). Dana had a chance to make a firm decision on a foul play to stay on the good side of those who hate our sport, and he did it at basically no cost. A NO BRAINER! Yeah we can compare Daley's piss poor judgement to that of Rampage's "Tri City Monster Truck Assault" as well as others (ie:holding onto a heel hook through the entire post fight conferrence), but the fact of the matter is, those incidents didn't happen on the heels of the fiasco over at Strikeforce. Like Kimbo, I'M OUT...Bitches!
Sun, 05/09/10 - 07:49
Sorry, I had to go climb a mountain right now (not joking). How did you know my cave doesn't get cable? I will tell you one thing, though, if you are actually spending your time watching Chris Matthews and Bill O'reilly (sp? who cares) I can pretty much guarantee we're going to disagree on nearly everything.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 08:05
Oh yeah, not to start a fight, but I have been stuck here in the god-forsaken north for four years now. Anybody who says that hockey is a gentleman's form of sporting violence and that MMA fights are for bloodthirsty savages needs to get kicked in the throat with a razor-sharp ice skate blade (a la Clint Malarchuk or Adam Burish, probably others). Hockey has way bigger hits than MMA, people's careers can get ended by one or two serious collisions. Like most everything involving the Canadian government this attitude makes absolutely no sense, but the vibe can be a bit xenophobic up here (that means they don't like change or new things very much for all of you in C.H.U.D.S.).
Sun, 05/09/10 - 08:14
Yeah, I'm not a Troll, I'm just an abrasive asshole with a pitch-black sense of humor. There IS a difference. *edit*...as I type this from my unlit cave while spit-roasting a billygoat over an open fire-pit...waiting for the direct-tv guy to come screw a satellite dish onto the tree at the front (hole, mouth, opening?)...
Sun, 05/09/10 - 08:29
@drano - wow. I completely agree with you (even tho it pains me slightly to write that). I hate when pro fighters pull that caveman bullshit.
Sun, 05/09/10 - 08:57
@ Misanthropy (hole, mouth, opening) just substitute Jenna and most of us should get the point
Sun, 05/09/10 - 10:04
wifey Says: Mon, 05/10/2010 - 06:29 @drano - wow. I completely agree with you (even tho it pains me slightly to write that). I hate when pro fighters pull that caveman bullshit. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- see we agree on so much, heck I'm not a bad guy, I just get defensive sometimes over certain things but it don't mean you can't just up and agree with me cause I totally make sense. If it makes you feel better and to stay on an even field, feel free to disagree with the next thing I say just so you won't feel so awkward. :)
Mon, 05/10/10 - 02:11
@FBF - dude, jenna. Just... dude. The pants pooping beauty. Oh fuck the beauty of that zinger. FBF you sir have done me a service. And it isn't very often that making me poop in my trousers is a service. At least not one that I don't have to pay for.
Mon, 05/10/10 - 02:39
@ Mr. Misanthropy - Well I dunno about that. As hilarious as it sounds, I am leery of anyone who is in for life. I think a 1 year term would suffice. And Doug Crosby is banned from ever being on that panel. As well as Cecil Peoples, not to be confused with our own cecils pupils. @ Maximus Reximus - You make a good point, and a year ago I would have agreed with you. Presently, however, I believe this sport has the momentum that it needs to continue on without worrying about bitchasses. There will always be people opposed to MMA no matter how well we try to portray it. But I think right now we have passed the point of making concessions for people. Just the opinion of one caveman, but I think the consequences of the actions should be based on a logical and balanced system where the consequence matches the severity of the actions. I don't think it should be based on how much it may hurt the sport's image or anything of the sort. I think the Promotion's first responsibility is for the safety of the fighter. I agree this is thuggish behavior, and honestly I would probably have cut his ass just as fast as Dana, but I would have left out the permanently part. Gil Yvel comes to mind. Sometimes a second chance, a few years down the road, can be ok. Now that I said that Yvel will probably shank Mazzagatti in his next bout, but whatever. I guess to make a way too long story short, fuck people who judge mma without first learning about it, and I am not trying to say Daley got it too harsh, I just think Palhares got off to light.
Mon, 05/10/10 - 02:45
Also, HUGE respect to Shogun. Dude knew Machida was out and he was already getting up before the ref intervened. He didn't try to use adrenaline as an excuse to keep pounding the dude, or say some shit about the heat of the moment. Classy move Shogun. No meatheaded tough guy thuggish (Daley, Palhares) bullshit.
Mon, 05/10/10 - 05:29
@ Ghostboner, pleasure's all mine my friend, and yeah, everyone's blablaing about Daley and Kos, How about we give Rua some props for a monster knockout and an all round " Holy Fuck" performance to grab that title
Mon, 05/10/10 - 06:04
A few notes: SouthSide Essay>> I'm just as surprised as you are. I think the point totals were A LOT lower this week than usual. Ghostly One>> We agree, Palhares got off light. If he doesn't again, the ref should soccer kick him to end the sub. Fair? (BTW, i read he has Marquardt next...) And yeah, Shogun was awesome classy and professional in his win. Holy shit you guys...dranokills used a smiley face.
Mon, 05/10/10 - 07:46
Lay-n-pray kinda guy?! LOL! You are a dummy. Rua will lose the belt if Anderson Silva wants it now. They could even send Forrest back in to own Shogun AGAIN. There will be no "new era" as Shogun is a fluke. I bet you like BJ Penn too haha!
Mon, 05/10/10 - 08:45
I wonder how many folks the UFC employ to scan the interwebs looking for unauthorized videos. They are on top of that shit!
Mon, 05/10/10 - 02:30
Drano used a smiley face????????? Where am I, the twilight zone?
Mon, 05/10/10 - 05:26
@Rex - Fair. Or taser. Or the old board with a nail through it. Hoping Marquardt takes that one in dominant fashion, but I assumed he would end Chael in less than 5 min so I'm just gonna keep my yapper shut on that.
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