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Anderson Silva vs. Georges St. Pierre: Super Fight, Super Problems


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By CagePotato contributor Jason Moles

Never before in the history of MMA has there been a more heavily anticipated fight than the one we may see in the not-too-distant future between UFC middleweight champion Anderson “The Spider” Silva and welterweight champ Georges “Rush” St. Pierre. This is the Ali vs. Frazier of our sport.

UFC President Dana White has said that should St. Pierre beat welterweight contender Jake Shields at UFC 129, he would put the two fighters in the Octagon to let them answer the question talking heads have debated for so long: Who is the pound-for-pound best mixed martial artist in the world?

Nevertheless, one has to wonder how likely it is that the super fight actually comes to fruition. Some would argue that there is too much money to be made for this not to happen. Yeah, go tell that to Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao. Others would have you believe that if the fans want something, Uncle Dana gives it to them — like another fight on the free prelims after a thousand or so RT’s. We here at CagePotato don’t enjoy raining on your parade, but we do enjoy poking holes in your sails if it will keep you from inevitable heartbreak. With all of this in mind, know that for every reason this fight could and should happen, there are three more for why it cannot. Below is a quick rundown on the obstacles and potential problems facing the fight of the decade.

PROBLEM: GSP wants to wait an entire year to bulk up to middleweight. I contacted Silva’s manager, Ed Soares, who said “The Spider” would not wait that long to fight again because he still has five fights left on his contract and he’s not getting any younger.
SOULTION: Make the fight a catch-weight bout near the 177lb. range. Under the unified rules, it could still be a five-round fight for the Middleweight title. If that doesn’t work, tell St. Pierre to use Frank Mir’s buddy Mark Philippi. The seven time World’s Strongest Man competitor helped Mir gain 20-25 lbs. of muscle in just five months from UFC 100 in July ’09 to UFC 107 in December ’09. If all else fails, “Rush” could always go on a horsemeat diet.

PROBLEM: Neither fighter is enthusiastic to fight in the other’s back yard.
SOLUTION: Don’t make the fight in Montreal, Toronto, or Rio de Janeiro. “When you start thinking about an Anderson Silva-GSP fight, you could do it anywhere,” White stated. “But it would be tough not to do the thing in Canada.” I know you’re reading this Mr. White so allow me to speak on behalf of Potato Nation when I say, Don’t screw this up for us! This fight will sell out even if you put it in the Seventh Ring of Hell. We would be doing our best Brock Lesnar impersonation trying to get past the Minotaur. (As long as it didn’t watch the Velasquez fight, we’ll make it there on time too.) Let this spectacle be held in Texas’ Cowboy Stadium or any place in Vegas. If you build it, they will come.

PROBLEM: Olympic-style drug testing, anyone?
SOLUTION: Don’t worry about this one. Of all the potential threats to the fight of all fights, this one was beaten before it ever really got going. Remember a few months back when Josh Koscheck started flapping his gums about this? Then you’ll certainly remember the UFC prez telling Kos to know his role and shut his damn mouth, Jabroni!

PROBLEM: The ESPN MMA Live curse
SOLUTION: None. Pray for both men to stay healthy. This may have slipped the memories of some, but hardcore fans remember when an appearance on the late-late-late night show was the final nail in the coffin. I am not superstitious; ergo I easily jump this hurdle and immediately see a similar, more realistic threat. Injury. If either combatant suffers injury during training camp like Rashad Evans or is poked in the eye on the last day of sparring like ‘Cro Cop’, Joe Silva can’t possibly find a Seth Petruzelli to step in. Fans would demand a refund after hearing that the main event is canceled.

PROBLEM: Jake Shields (26-4-1)
SOLUTION: All of Canada better queue up ‘Men Who Stare at Goats’ on Netflix to learn how to use the very same forbidden psychological technologies that cost Fedor his last fight. This may be the only thing that powerful enough to stop the American Jiu-Jitsu practitioner. You know, I wouldn’t blame him if he took a bribe from the Fertitas to throw the fight, I really wouldn’t. (Can you tell that I really, really want to see Silva/St. Pierre?) The first and last EliteXC Welterweight Champion, former Strikeforce Middleweight Champion, and the winner of fifteen straight bouts is the most prominent obstruction on GSP’s path to the title of Undisputed P4P Champion, even if he is a vegetarian. His record speaks for itself and if you have been watching combat sports for as long as I have then you know that it is entirely possible for Buster Douglas to beat Mike Tyson.

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ghostboner- February 27, 2011 at 12:36 pm
@Canadian Chronic - Agreed. It is lame, if you want a title shot you gotta beat a contender first. Granted, he is GSP, and he is the WW champ, but he is moving up a class not down. I say he needs a top contender. But of course him and Marquardt are butt buddies so that is out. Okami maybe? Vitor? He should definitely have to earn it.
StinkFacer- February 26, 2011 at 12:47 pm
20 pounds isn't unrealistic weight gain in 3 months? Wow....calm down keyboard warrior.

I work out 6 days a week, practice good nutrition, and I can tell you with calm assurance....

you have no idea wtf you're talking about.
dranokills- February 26, 2011 at 11:18 am
you want a boxing analogy?
Sugar ray stepped up to fight the invincible and extremely scary marvelous Marvin Hagler.
Do you recall that fight?
That was when boxing was king and MMA didn't exist.
I will pick GSP over Anderson anyday,anytime,anywhere.
fingerssfv- February 26, 2011 at 6:21 am
I honestly don't see GSP beating Anderson Silva. How can that be? BJ Penn moved up in weight and he was the best Lightweight, just to fight GSP at Welterweight. Now you want GSP to move up in weight to fight Anderson Silva? Take a guess who you think will win this bout.
P2- February 26, 2011 at 3:54 am
If Silva has Seagal, there's only one man St. Pierre should have in his corner. Hint: "B'coss of my larch legs, n' my k'ra-TAY, ah can do the splits, nooooo problem."
HomeSchooled- February 25, 2011 at 9:13 pm
I don't think GSP is as strong as Sonnen or Okami at 185.

He won't out wrestle Silva
Canadian Chronic- February 25, 2011 at 5:09 pm
I dont want to see this fight, for the reasons already posted, and I mean this in the nicest way, GSPs my boy
he's the king @170, but,
who has he beaten at 185 to earn this shot?
Beat somebody @185, then get a shot at the belt
at least a tune up fight
fuckin earn it
ghostboner- February 25, 2011 at 2:45 pm
I would like to see GSP vs King Mo. That fight would be money.
ghostboner- February 25, 2011 at 2:43 pm
That catchweight is bullshit. GSP has said that he walks into the cage at 188ish, and that was 2 or 3 years ago. Making him cut less and Anderson cut more is rubbish. If you're gonna move up to appease Dana, then just move up. Don't pull any of this 195lb Franklin-Vitor crap. That said, GSP would still get beaten even at a 181 catchweight.
Sabado Gigante- February 25, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Have we all forgotten that Dana owes us (the fans) a favor for that silly Silva vs Maia crapy excuse for a fight? It kinda seems like we let Uncle D off the hook...


JDS vs Brock on Spike anyone???
Dagnut- February 25, 2011 at 2:12 pm
@ Get off Me...couldn't agree more, your spot on. We should also remember that GSP has been KO'd..badly...we've seen Silva eat a lot of shots so I'd have to give the jaw advantage to Silva as well
turbo88- February 25, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Gotta let it go. Silva is the best fighter at his size. GSP is the best at his weight range. There is no real way to match these fighters without giving one or the other some sort of advantage. I wish they were the same weight- but they are not. Worst scenario is TWO best fighters at their size...
CrazyButNotReally- February 25, 2011 at 12:02 pm
@munche

lol yeah I pretty much agree with what you said too. What UFC can do next is have fighters from any weight category fight each other. I'd love to see that ahaha.
RwilsonR- February 25, 2011 at 11:53 am
I really wanted to see this fight as much as anyone for the past year, but the more I think about it the more I would like to just see both be dominant champions for as long as they can. I'd prefer to see both move up weight classes for new challenges, but not fight each other.
munche- February 25, 2011 at 10:46 am
I also don't really like this fight. UFC almost always books fights that are win/win, but this fight really has a lot of downsides to go with the upsides and is mostly sacrificing tomorrow for today.

The big question is, wtf do they do after that fight? Say GSP moves up, he's at 185...he beats A. Silva...alright, now what? He demolishes all of the shitty contenders at 185 that Anderson was wrecking? What does Anderson do? Do they just rematch forever?

Or if GSP loses...Anderson goes back to wrecking the terrible 185 division, and what does GSP do next? Cut back down to 170? It's a fight with no real options after it finishes.

Nevermind the fact that the fight itself is likely to be awful. The same people who bitch and moan that GSP never finishes fights are clamoring for GSP-Silva....so you can watch 5 rounds of either GSP controlling from the top, or Anderson circling and trying to counter punch. Sounds like a fucking barn burner.

About the only upside in this fight is if GSP beat Anderson the Silva fans could STFU about how amazing he is for cleaning out a terrible division.
yeehaa2k- February 25, 2011 at 10:34 am
I hate him just as much as the next guy but ground game is not a wash, clear advantage shields.
nickyroose- February 25, 2011 at 9:53 am
The weight argument always exists. You can be made of muscle like Bobby Lashley but that doesn't make you big. I love wrestling and think that it is the single most dominant skill set BUT the height makes sprawling easier.

And I hate to say it but Chael was kicking some six times the amount of testosterone as he was supposed to and blasphemy of blasphemy is six times the wrestler of GSP.

I think GSp is great and has a varied skill set, however the fact is he will look like a child standing next to Anderson. And bulk up or not he's not gonna bbulk up 4 inches of reach.
RwilsonR- February 25, 2011 at 9:53 am
I don't like Anderson's attitude, and I love GSP, but this is a bad idea for GSP. For those that think his wrestling will win out, I just don't think so. GSP's wrestling works so well, because he sets it up so well. He sets it up so well because most of the guys he fights have terrible footwork, and he is quicker on the feet than they are so he surprises them with his stand-up before changing levels for the shot. None of that will be true against Anderson. Anderson has amazing footwork, amazing head movement, will be faster than GSP, and will have a decent reach on him.
 
Also, I'm not one to buy into fighters excuses... especially fighters I don't particularly like, but I think it looked pretty clear that Anderson's rib injury was legit in the Chael fight. He didn't move like himself, and winced constantly while in guard. He didn't even dance around and make a fool of himself. He just was not himself. So expecting GSP to replicate that isn't realistic, since he won't be fighting an injured Anderson. Same thing goes with the Lutter fight, where he had knee surgery 8 weeks before the fight. That isn't an excuse, that is documented. And you could see how that affected his movement.
 
And I know GSP is a master of control, and I actually think if GSP were able to get on top of Anderson he would be much more dangerous than Sonnen was. But I just think GSP's only option is to get the takedown. When you have only that option, and your opponent knows it, then it makes it easier to defend. And guys like Rich Franklin have marvelled at how strong Anderson is for his size. GSP coming in as the smaller guy is already at a disadvantage there. I just see this being a bad night for GSP as he gets KO'd trying for that takedown.
Lesnars_tiny_pecker_says- February 25, 2011 at 9:38 am
also, GSP has been getting hit by guys his size (when they can hit him) what do you think he is going to do when Ahole Silva pops him? Oh well another one bites the dust.
I would love to see Silva go up in weight to and test himself against a good HW. Lets see that
steampunk22- February 25, 2011 at 9:23 am
Mmhm, the weight argument doesnt exist anymore. GSP had previously said he would want to wait t year so he could bulk up, because he wasn't cutting any weight to fight at 170. Now he cuts from 185 so its a different story.
flying gogoplata- February 25, 2011 at 9:21 am
Not to hate on your cool graphic, but I'm pretty sure New York ISN'T a possibility...
Get Off Me- February 25, 2011 at 8:58 am
@rearnakedspoon
Obviously skill sets do not determine winners and yes it's about how you apply/mix your skills in a given fight, but like many professional sports there are fighters who are ahead of the learning curve(GSP and Silva) and when looking to a favorite for this fight you have to almost revert to skill sets, size etc...
GSP's BJJ is nowhere near Silva's don't care what anybody says, Silva did not have to go back in the locker room after his fight with Sonnen and learn how to propoerly finish a sub attempt.
GSP's wrestling is great and while his jab may offer time to set up a takedown, once this is accomplished he may or may not be able to pass Silva's guard, if he does than what???? Has GSP finished anybody from side control? No. Has Silva been on his back before in someone's side control, reversed and taken the offensive in the fight? Yes.
It would be a compelling fight, but Silva has too much for GSP.

@Dagnut
I was just reminding you of yester year UFC glory.
I do agree that size plays a huge role in fights these days, that's how I made a fortune off the Okami/Marquardt fight.
Silva is too big for GSP to handle, it would be a fight I would pay to watch so that's all that really matters, but yeah weight divisions are in place for a reason, GSP would have to really take a year to add another 10 lbs of muscle like he did last year.

I did not know Silva is signed for 5 more fights, good news, maybe this fight can happen on silva's second to last or last fight on this current contract.
fACE7biter- February 25, 2011 at 8:50 am
I didn't know that they could fight at 177 for the middleweight title. if thats the case, best route to go, although 180 would also be fair. GSP should have to gain a little more than Anderson should lose if its going to be for Andersons title. Far as the time frame, if GSP beats Shields, this fight better happen by September/October the latest. How long are we supposed to tie up two championships?! Fuck that GSP needs a year noise, do it at catchweight to compromise and give him 5 months tops.
Lesnars_tiny_pecker_says- February 25, 2011 at 8:44 am
This is a bad idea for GSP. Not that I don't think he has a chance in this fight,but, he don't have a chance in this fight. He is giving away size and power and lets face it, a good little man will lose to a good bigger man. I think this is being blown up too big. If GSP wins well he has something to brag about but if he loses it not only will probably be a crushing defeat but what does he do after that?.
the other bad part deal in this all is A Silva's. If he loses then WOW GSP is the greatest, if he wins he beat a guy who was a blown up middleweight. I know I am an ODD BALL but I think this fight is a mistake for all involved.
Silva by KO and earlier than you folks will believe
MMAposeur- February 25, 2011 at 8:33 am
Not sure why Silva would want this fight (aside from boredom I guess). Seems to me GSP is the only one who could conceivably gain from it, and that is only if (and that's a gi-fuckin'-gantic IF) he wins. If Silva wins, history will still bare that asterisk, *GSP was naturally outsized.

It's called PFP for a reason, some things prevent direct comparison from being as meaningful and in the martial arts world, size is one.
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