Who gives 2 squirts of rat piss… All this fight was, was an attempt at “CREATING” the best pound for pound fighter by Dana White to shut Fedor jock danglers the hell up. Dana & Joe Silva put together 2 “Gimme Fights” for Anderson Silva, (Cote & Leites) in order for Silva to break a record & give the UFC the bragging rights to having the best P4P fighter under contract. But it went wrong. Besides, neither Silva or Fedor is the best pound for pound. Fedor is great, BUT, doesn’t fight in the top promotion. Fedor is also WAY too inactive to be considered the P4P King. GSP (imo) IS the P4P King right now. The guy has never had a “Gimme Fight” & has constantly fought top ranked fighters. Heads try to knock him for the Serra loss, but Serra is NO joke by any means. But Silva has enjoyed quite a few “Gimme Fights” & lost in spectacular fashion to Ryo Chonnen, (check the flying finish out if you haven’t seen it) & gets nothing but praise. I’m not knocking Silva, just think he is getting over-hyped.

he could have finished him, he chose not to, to prove some kind of point and say fuck you to everybody at the ppv/watching/employing him all at once. NJ!

yea its way better to stream. not bs justin.tv shit tho

totally.. leites is definitely not worthy.. even moreso now.. Anderson should have punished him for it.. but didn’t. and a lot people don’t wanna pay $50 for that now… eh.. so ya watch it online for free.

The reason he is fighting this way is the middleweight divison is the weakest in the ufc and no one can be a legit challenge to him that he hasn’t already destroyed

You’re right, Jay Smith, I am fucking dumb. But not too fucking dumb to not realize how fucking dumb I am. At least I have that.

But some people have higher expectations of a champ. And some champions have expectations of themselves… BJ Penn is also world champion BJJ black belt, and if I remember correctly, GSP beat shit out of him from what was previously thought of as an unpassable guard.

In other words, the champ took the fight to the challenger, and destroyed him from the challenger’s best position. GSP didn’t just get the W, he BEAT BJ Penn. And did it like a Champ. Silva would rather be a Tim Sylvia-type champ.. you know the kinda champ who already has the belt and doesn’t have to earn shit, right? That’s what fans are paying for – a champ that does enough just to not lose.

But I’m fuckin dumb, you’re right.

K…so Machida is lauded and praised for his “elusive” fighting style and has been so successful in winning fights by not getting hit, winning decisions, and staying undefeated that he gets a title shot. How many KOs does Machida have? Now here’s Anderson Silva, who decimated everyone before his last two fights,while one of the last two fights ended because Cote’s ego was so heavy the weight of it threw out his knee, and the other fight Silva is thrown some douchebag who won’t fight and lays out in the missionary position expecting Silva to lay down and spoon with him without Leites even buying him a drink first. And yet somehow Silva is the asshole. What do you want, people – more scripted fights for the sheer sake of your entertainment? Cuz the WWE could use a few more pissy demanding soap opera fans. Or you can accept the fact that this is MMA and you never fucking know where a fight is going to go, and that that is the true beauty of the sport.

Wny not blame Joe Silva? He’s the one who matched Anderson with these last two unchallenging douchebags, boring Anderson and the fans in one fell swoop. And where does it say in the rule book that if an opponent lays down you have to get on the ground with him? Isn’t the idea to earn that position by *forcing* your opponent to the ground so you can try to beat his ass? Is Anderson supposed to play along unnecessarily just to make everyone else happy? Fuck that; put him against someone who will actually try to fight him, and I guarantee he’ll fight back.

The comments made in this article are exactly why Anderson doesn’t care what anyone says. The fight went the way it did because Thales HAS NO STAND-UP! Period. If he had ANY idea how to box he would have actuially thrown punches instead of always trying to take Silva down to no obvious avail.

And why would Anderson put himself in a position to either lose or get caught (although the latter seemed FAR less likely) anyway? Any real fan of MMA knew that Silva respected Thales’ ground game too much to take it there or even entertain the chance, so it should not be surprising to ANYONE that he made no attempt to be down there.

The problem is so many of the MMA fans that watch/attend don’t actually know enough about the tactical aspect of MMA. They only know that someone can and ultimately should get knocked out. So they go their with that expectation built up in their minds and when it doesn’t play out in real life you get what you hear now in the reactions to the fight.

Ultimately this fight was boring because it was tactical. Anderson did exactly what anyone should have expected him to do. The blame should fall on Thales (if blame should even BE cast) being very obviously one-dimensional and posessing absolutely zero skills in the stand-up.

i abhor dog fighting, think it is cruel and disgraceful. that being said, at least the dogs fight.

oh!! and for those who are saying that every fighter owes you everything because you pay their salaries… I think you would be better off with dog fights… there the poor animals don’t think, they just chow each other to death… (thereby putting a “good show” for you)

We all know what the Champ is capable of but why did he not unleash hell back-fisting, spin-kicking, soul-kneeing-into-oblivion Leites (or Cote for that matter?) well, to me it seems very clear… He didn’t have to, he was never put into a position where he had to decide to knock the guy who was trying to rip his head off out to prevent him from doing so (or getting even close to that)… all he needed to do was to outpoint a scared sh*tless opponent and he did…
Besides if giving a dead leg or the back kick tripping thing is not putting a show… then what is?… those should’ve been Leites’ cues to start fighting out of pride (since skill was out of the question).

Another CP attempt to minimalize Silva’s ability and accomplishments…. just an utterly superficial view of the fight

I read a pretty interesting article somewhere comparing silva’s and rjj’s careers, sherdog maybe? This argument is getting way past stale

Hey Anonymous, your a bitch. Silva is the shit and hell reign champ for a long time. get used to it punk.

@Phunnybonz: He’s not retiring late this year. It would probably be next year or so as his contract still has 4 or 5 fights left for him. This is if, if, he wants to retire. He said he just wants the option to retire. No guarantees from him.

Hey SCM Silva aint shit.

CagePotato, I agree with you 150% (right along with the rest of the educated MMA community). In fact, I made some of the same points yesterday.

Some knucklehead made the comment that “Silva doesn’t owe us anything”. Bullshit. Silva owes us everything. “Us” being the fans. We pay his damn salary. We pay him to fight, not to avoid damage. We pay him to entertain. He has not entertained or even attempted to exert himself in his last two fights. Almost everyone, except the great unwashed here, has acklowledged this simple fact. Apparently the the people who comment here are more knowledgeable than a majority of the MMA professionals who have shared their thoughts on the fight.

To me it seems that Silva, who already expressed a desire to retire late this year, is doing nothing more than riding out his contract. Pathetic.

i dont understand how anyone is talking shit on anderson silva. so what if he didnt knock him out? anyone who says silva was not trying to engage leites is a fuckin idiot. every time silva got near him thales fell down. why the hell would silva ever fall into leites guard? thats fuckin stupid. if thales wanted to go to the ground he should have taken anderson down.. and when he did take him down silva showed that thales cant do shit to him on the ground. thales leites is a joke. anderson silva is the best fighter ever. period.

The majority of the blame does belong to Leites.
Anderson Silva is a humble champ when he acts like it.
If the perfect fight is no damage, Kalib Starnes is a badass.
Many people mad at Silva wanted a KO. I wanted a fight (from both of em)
Just because I’m mad at Silva does not make me a casual fan (because I disagree with you? stupid)

Some people make the argument that martial arts are about defending yourself and not taking damage. Watch Karate Kid 3 (my bad, two K kid refs in one week), Mr Miyagi won’t train Daniel because “is better not to fight.” Weren’t most martial arts developed to defend yourself from oppressors with guns who won’t allow you weapons? Not for cage fights…If you want to be a true martial artist, you would only fight if being attacked or to protect your family, etc…not to make money in a cage on ppv for entertainment.

My favorite fights are hard fought decisions. KOs and subs are nice, but I like to see heart and determination, not classless displays of “mastery of martial arts (foot punches).”

I am willing to bet that Silva’s next fight will not be a main event. If it is, look for some really shitty PPV numbers. I have bought every UFC since they have been available on PPV, and I will not buy a UFC PPV that has Anderson Silva as the main event. What fucking tool this clown is. Although, I think I would buy the PPV if it was someone that I knew would attack him and drag his skinny ass down to the mat. But realistically, his next fight will be against another 185′er, so who gives a shit.

fucking gay

haha

Right on. This is like porn. Noone wants to see average people fucking in the missionary position for 25 minutes. We all want to see switching positions, anal, and all the spicy shit that makes it exciting. Pretty soon nobody will buy the ppv’s with anderson on them. Sorry, but that’s the way it is.

Just a question.. If someone is a counter fighter what gives them the right to expect the other fighter to engage them.. What if they both want to be a “counter puncher” and only attack when an opponent makes an offensive mistake. So then what happens?

Counter punching can be utilized but should it be used for an entire fight when your opponent isn’t gonna fall into your trap? Are you not then expected to try and win by going on the offensive.

Its easy for Silva to say that I am a counter puncher, but what about his opponents? We are expecting them to be forced into attacking him when they know he is just sitting back waiting for it?

It seems to me this is a problem can someone that knows some shit explain this to me, it just doesn’t seem fair?

how awesome would a super fight be between the maybe soon to be LHW champ Lyoto and Anderson, i mean for real guys! i see it being action from start to finish!!!!

BUNCH OF HATERS. Haha Anderson will own a good portion of light heavyweights. I think his next fight should be extremely soon, and agaisnt a LHW like Jardine, Shogun, Wanderlei (if he dont go to middleweight), or Bonnar. Anderson will probably get a KO in his next fight.

u dont like silva dont wattch his fuckiin fights

ENJOY the art and strategies these fighter s bring to the table dont fuckin shit on em because 1 MAYbe to fights he owned cote the last fight …dana did alot for mma n ufc but theres another side of him thats shady n greedy ……

man u fucks r haters since when do fans and critics tell champs how to fight ignorant bitches who dont know shit bout mma ….n anddersons gtonna fuck gsp up …n all the frogs will cry

What people aren’t mentioning up to this point is that Anderson thrives when he is countering. Everything he was doing in that fight was trying to draw in his opponent to attack (like punching his thigh) so that he could counter.

That’s the way he fights and that’s the way he’s fought in a lot of his fights… the problem is that fighters know who they are fighting now and won’t attack. I’m not saying there should be an excuse for a boring fight but people should be analyzing the strategies instead of inferring a lack of character (cough BEN!)

C’mon, put your thinking caps on tuff guys.

@Everyone blaming everything on Thales

1) Thales was absolutely horrible. He probably should’ve gotten points taken away for refusing to engage. Silva had roughly 10x the effective offense that Thales did. Silva was much better than Thales. Thales deserves criticism for his flopping.

2) Silva does not have to follow Thales to the ground. There were several times where he decided to stand over Leites and throw a random, non-damaging kick every now and then. He should have backed up IMMEDIATELY to force the ref to stand Thales up.

3) There were plenty of times Silva chose silly (and unsafe) strikes (or no strikes at all) instead of strikes that would be more likely to damage Thales and have a chance of finishing him.

4) Siva could have been frustrated by Thales’ flopping and refusal to engage, and I think that could maybe at least partially excuse him for his behavior, except (a) he’s supposed to be a professional, and (b) he fought the exact same way against Cote.

5) I can guarantee that if Silva had thrown with the intention of ending the fight, and made Thales get up immediately every time he flopped, the crowd, the fans, and the media would not be giving him such a hard time.

I think the blame goes both ways in this one, to both Silva and Leites.

But I think another problem is that Anderson Silva is so good, that his opponents think it is an accomplishment in and of itself to simply last. That way Cote can brag about making it to the 3rd round, and Leites can say that he took Anderson to a decision, where Franklin and Henderson simply got blown out of the water. They are making meaningless milestones into achievements because Silva is that good. The problem is, these are far from achievements, because they only lasted by not fighting him. Guys like Franklin, Henderson, and Marquardt got smoked because they actual stood up and did their jobs, and fought Silva.

Bruce Drake youre a fucking idiot. Its dumbass people and dumbass comments like that hold the sport back. Silva’s not to blame for the fight. Silva’s good yes, P4P maybe. Thats not the debate here. The debate is that He didnt finish him because everytime he went to strike against Thales, thales would flop to his back. If you were fighting a BJJ Black Belt and he wanted you to jump into his gaurd, would you? Fuck no you wouldnt. It doesnt even matter if youreself is a black belt. Its walking into a trap no matter how good you are. Thales has to carry the majority of the blame here. How do you expect to fight for the biggest prize in MMA by layin on your back. Youre the challenger you need to go out and work for it. Im sick and tired of reading stupid ass comments from fuckin cunt ass faggots (yeah i used the faggot and i hope Bruce Drake is Gay). Joe Silva made a horrible mistake making this fight. Silva needs to be tested, and obviously there is no one left in the 185lb division for him. Move him up to 205 and give him an actual test, no jardine. He’s okay but had lucky wins over big names. Silva needs to get a Rampage, or someone else in title contention. Give us a super fight where Silva is actually going to be challenged. I can only imagine how frustrating it must be for Silva knowing that there is no one out there who stands a chance. Especially when pussy’s fall to their back. Once again I will never EVER buy another event if Thales Leites is on the Main Card. He should be banished to the undercard for the rest of his contract then go to pussy ass strikeforce for fuckin afliction. Fuck Thales and his pussy ass work ethic.

It’s as Mir said.

I guess Silva’s a martial artist at heart.

Too bad for the circus type audience.

How can you say he didn’t try? Every time he did try Thales would flop on his ass! He stopped trying because the result would have been the same.

if the goal was to not get hit he should just adopt a kalib starnes approach and run away instead of dancing and showboating

I think everyone needs to watch the fight again.

1. People really think Anderson did not try and finish the fight.
2. Silva was obviously trying to frustrate his opponent to get him to make a mistake.
3. Everyone says he should have tried harder. The man is not magic you try fighting someone that turtles up on the ground after every punch.

Brazilian Kalib Starns

And no one get me wrong, Thales deserves a ridiculous amount of criticism. He put out almost now offense. Again, check the fightmetric report for just how incredibly bad he was. And that made this fight even worse, but remember, this wasn’t the first time we’ve seen an Anderson Silva who looked like he had no interest in finishing a fight.

Also the UFC deserves criticism for allowing this fight to happen. Thales obviously had no business being in the cage with Anderson, and had done nothing which showed he had warranted a title shot. How about putting in a legitimate contender, UFC?

ya, stop puttin chumps in front of em in Canada, we expect a fuckin fight up here in the great white north. fuckin fastest sell out in UFC history, and this is the type of competition we’re rewarded with? Fuckin Bullshit, Bull…..

Man I am losing so much respect for Cagepotato. You guys should do yourself a favor and stop posting about this fight, because I am seriously not wanting to read your BS anymore and I’ve been a big fan of you guys for a long time. Pathetic.

Anderson should be fired. I blame him for this. if hes sooo good then why didnt he just finish him. ? hes not that good if he was he should have one

Anybody think that he fighting like this to get at Dana for not letting him fight RJJ.

Defend him if you want but I will never pay for another PVP with him as the headline. I will watch it the next day on CP if I hear good things, but until then I rather save my money for something more exciting…like the GNAHT, you know the Grand National Air Hockey Tournament.

I personally think that the quality of Silva we get depends on the quality of opponant he gets, two shitty performances, two shitty opponants.
Give him Franklin or Hendo and you have a Silva that wants to win to prove he’s the best, nobody ever thought that his last two opponants could beat him so he had nothing to prove.

Silva fucking sucks! Boring piece of shit!

I respect your opinion about this fight but I think u and many other people are over looking the fact that every time Silva went to attack and throw a strike, Leites would just FLOP to his back! What else was Silva suppose to do? It’s hard to finish a guy who is scared to fight! Last time I could remember is that MMA starts on the FEET and not on the ground! Why would Silva intentionally jump into his gaurd? It would be different if Leites actually took the fight to the ground and not just flopping on his back hoping Silva would come down there. This was not a jujitsu match. Anderson is not to blame at all for this fight. If anyone is to blame it’s Leites for giving up and just trying to survive without getting hurt, and the ufc for the people they have been putting up against Silva. Challengers are suppose to be hungry and go get the title, something Leites obviously didn’t want.

With the exception of Nate Marquardt, Silva has no viable challengers at 185. I think the UFC should let Marquardt and Maia square off to determine the next challenger.

In the mean time, the UFC should feed Silva to some of the LHW sharks. Don’t bother with second-rate fighters like James Ervin. I’m thinking a great match up would be Anderson Silva vs. Keith Jardine. Jardine is not in title contention, has made ridiculous statements about not wanting to fight his buddy Rashad Evans anyway, and is a very aggressive gatekeeper at 205. He would surely “make” Silva fight. He looked great against Quinton Jackson and is a unique and dangerous challenger for most fighters. Jardine has nothing to lose and everything to gain. If Silva, “the best pound for pound, blah, blah, blah” can’t take out Jardine, then we know he doesn’t belong in the LHW division. Make it happen, UFC!

Lol @Darkside. I was considering bringing that up too.

Yeah, and we should all praise Kalib Starnes’ technical ability to not take a punch, too.

Anderson Silva aint shit. Gegard Mousassi now thats a fucking middleweight!!!!!

CagePotato wants porn/WWE, not real sports

I hate to say it CagePotato, but I told you so. I agree with Anon on the first page with reference to our simian instincts, and also Mmmmiles. Because these people understand the art of fighting, as does Anderson Silva. The fact that the general mass is generally too fucking stupid to realise what they’re watching, doesn’t concern me. I thought it was an amazing fight. Silva made Leites look like he didn’t deserve the shot he was given, and lets all face it, he didn’t deserve it. The ONE and ONLY reason that leites was given that shot was because he LOST a “decision win” over Nate Marquardt.

silly humans ^.^

just think right now Anderson is living it up not giving a shit what some asshole says about him not finishing this fight.

CAGEPOTATO GUYS
Check out Anderson Silva’s recent interview on TATAME. It’s a portugese site, there’s an ENGLISH version. Maybe it will explain all your questions.

Actually they are there to entertain, but yes through fighting.

After seeing Silva’s destruction of many of my friends favorite fighters, I am willing to give him a pass until the UFC puts someone in front of him that would rather die than leave without the belt. If Silva loses his belt from “dancing around and looking unimpressed” I will be the first to say he deserved to. Until then, if they put chumps in front of him in Canada, instead of putting on a show in Rio de Janeiro where the Champ is a huge draw, I don’t really feel that bad. Give the guy an incentive to whip ass I am sure the ass whipping will come.

Guys, its at least 85 % Thales’ fault for this fight. He did nothing. Silva fucked him up, regardless of what you fools say. thales didnt go to sleep, but once again, its not all about KO’s.

Im pretty sure the referee says “fight” to start the match, not,”dance around n look unimpressed.”

people paid for a fight, give em a fight. I thought Spider was BB in BJJ as well, shoulda reigned down hell inside leites guard.

Your a dip shit:
I guess Leites got that bloody nose from the altitude in Quebec. If the UFC is all about brawling, knockouts, and kickass submission than that’s cool. I like to see fighters mix it up a bit. I am not so concerned with the outcome as I am with the sportsmanship, efforts, and techniques. You have a good point, that you don’t see the effort, but others don’t see it the same way. I saw great sprawl, Cung Le like side kicks to the knee cap, a world class trip that is hard to pull off in competition, and cage control to name a few. Now if you don’t like it, you don’t have to watch his fights, but my guess is you are just upset that you spent 50 bucks and all you saw was one Rua knockout Liddell and you were expecting more. MMA has a bad image because of the violence, when a athlete comes around and is so intimidating competitors just flop on their rears I understand. That’s what world class athletes do to national level athletes, make them look stupid. Sorry you didn’t see the effort or result you wanted homie. Should have gotten the Strikeforce ppv.
Gabmonta

The reason he didn’t take damage was because Leites was either standing infront of him hopping around not doing shit or laying down with one hand behind his back asking Silva to give it to him missionary style.

OH yah oh wow i just totally loved the “science” and ” tension” build up between these two fighters. holly crap it was soooOOOoooooOOOOooo exhilierating that i think my balls and boner tried to make love to one another.

You people defending Andreson Silva’s peformence are dip shits. Plane and simple he tried to bust a Chuck Lidell style and just counter punch and when that didnt work he just sat there (or danced like michael jackson) Fuck, at least Lidell presses a fight when things arent brought to him.

Anderson Silva is looking mighty arrogant right about now. Let us all revel in the fact that he is sooooo good that he can sit there and not take one punch. Holly wow he can go 25 minutes without getting punched or trying at all to win.
Geez his last performance was just the tits fuck me his soccer kick behind the leg and thigh punches were just glorious!!!!

Fuckin dip shits…get a life. Ill bet if you bought tickets and saw that shit live you’d be singing a whole different tune.

K says:
good point, but remember Couture was the challenger and had to bring the fight to Sylvia in order to win. He also set the tone with that big right hand from the outset. Leites didn’t set the tone, and had less output the Silva in the fight. I am not sure how you marry the two fights, but it is reasonable to believe Leites would be active like Counture because he was the challenger.
Gabmonta

I must respectfully disagree w/ Mr. J.S. Dong…

Martial Arts in the real world should be used for self-defense, yes.

But Mixed Martial Arts, especially in the Octogon during a championship fight on PPV w/ the best p4p fighter in the world, is a SANCTIONED COMPETITIVE SPORT, that has rules that specifically state that you MUST fight.

It’s why we tune in, and pay to see (or steal off the internet illegally!).

@WUWU

“The UFC has never come out and condemed a fighter for lay and pray.”

Dana has often complained about lack of action in lay and pray fights. The reason this one has garnered so much attention is Silva is a champion, and is supposed to be the best fighter in the world.

“(Randy Couture beating Tim Sylvia comes to mind)”

Watch that fight again. Randy thoroughly out boxed Sylvia every single round; he simply wasn’t strong enough/good enough to finish Tim. I fail to see how that compares at all. The round where he had Tim’s back, he was continually trying for the choke, but didn’t have the BJJ skills to counter Sylvia’s strength and sink the choke in.

Check out the fights on fightmetric. Randy put out more than twice the effective offense that Anderson did.

We probably watched different fights. The fight I saw had one guy pressing 95% of the action and the other guy playing defense. Leites ground game was neutralized so its reasonable to assume the fight would have to be decided standing, but when Silva came in Leites just crumbled to “intelligently” defend himself. The referee should have enforced the no timidity rule. Timidity is a foul in the UFC and defined as including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.

I am not I get your sports reference, but assuming I do, yes they should sit out their stars if the other teams don’t show up to play. Like sitting Lebron in the final game of the regular season.

@FUCKJUNIEand hisBROTHER

Sorry bro, but that was a horrible argument. Agreed on your name though.

i mean that is the reason ppl watch mma right because anything can happen and its entertaining. In my opinion if a mixed martial artist doesnt entertain the fans than he or she hasnt done their job because at the end of the day the fans are the ones writing the checks . i worked harder for my money to buy the ppv than silva or leites did in that fight ,no im lying i didnt pay for this one i just watched the fights here the next day but ya know what im sayin right.

I’ve posted this before and i’ll do it again.

“to be the best, you have to beat the best”

It wasn’t Silva’s job to beat anyone, he is the champ and Thales is the challenger. You don’t go in the fight of you life expecting to win by falling on your back hoping the other guy will come down to your level. If Thales wanted to win by submission, then take Silva down and make him tap. Silva did his job, he didn’t loose! He was also the only one doing anything in that fight. Thales got his and decided he didn’t want to be there. What did he throw, 20punches then fall to his back. Great strategy. Shit I think i could have done that and came up with the decision.

Silva did his job, your not beating the champ on your back, enough said.

@Anonymous

“Whether the casual fan acknowledges that person or not is insignificant.”

That attitude will cause the sport to fail. The casual fans matter, whether you like it or not.

“No… people like Silva who are too good to be touched are to be respected for their skill and dedication to the sport. Silva is the best at 185 whether the PPV buy rates or fan satisfaction indicate as much.”

Should lay and pray fighters be praised for their ability to hold down an opponent, throw occasional strikes that have little to no chance of finishing their opponent? If you think so, that’s your prerogative. Most people disagree.

“If you want to be exciting or aggressive in a fight that’s one thing, but it isn’t always the smart thing to do. Smart = victory.”

You can fight smart and still look for a finish. See GSP.

Silva didn’t have to jump into Leites’ guard to try and finish. There were plenty of opportunities where he seemed more interested in throwing goofy strikes (like punching Thales in the thigh), instead of actually attempting to finish the fight. Being careful so he doesn’t lose? Did you see that punch to the thigh? His head goes way down and is left almost completely open. He left himself wide open for a knee.

So along your lines of thinking rh The Vikings can sit Adrien Peterson for the regular season and just have him healthy and ready to go for the playoffs?? The Capitals should sit Ovechkin for the season and have him ready to light shit up in the playoffs? Tiger Woods shouldnt play a tournament until the Masters and only show up for the Majors? Nadal or Federer or Williams sisters should not play a tournament till the Grand Slams? YOUR FUCKING RIGHT THE FUCKERS OWE ME SOMETHING I PAY THEY”RE FUCKING SALARIES!! YOU KNOW WHERE THEY WOULD BE WITHOUT ME??? GET IN THERE AND FUCKING FIGHT THATS WHAT I PAY FIFTY FUCKING DOLLARS EVERY MONTH FOR THEY BETTER START PUTTING MAJOR DRAWS ON EVERY SPIDA CARD AFTER THIS!!

Houston got beat by Irvin, Irvin got beat by Silva. A fight with Houston would not happen. Houston would get beat by Anderson.

Totally agreed that it is Joe Silva’s fault for the fucking shitty matchmaking that goes on. I dont think it should be all Joe Silva’s choice. And like someone said earlier, Anderson expressed that he didnt even really want to fight Thales because he knew it would be a dumb fight that poses no challenge whatsoever. Thales is/seems like a good, nice, respectful guy but he crossed the line with his BITCH-ASS-NESS.

if every fight was like the leites – silva fight mma would be nothing ,at no time after the 2nd round was i expecting a finish ,cmon its like watching a boring fight that uve already seen go to decision .BORING AS FUCK. I hate to say it but kimbo slice couldve put on a more entertaining main event fighting some chump.

@ Dubya
If he already has the belt, please explain how he is to “earn” it every fight he has. HE ALREADY HAS IT!!!! He doesn’t have to earn shit. You sound just as fuckin dumb as the other Dubya.

I counted 15 flops by Lietes give or take a few and only a handful of moments where Silva was in the position to close the fight. There was real tension, real preparation, and real mixed martial arts. I see this is a good defense by Silva. In the later rounds he carried the fight on his own, and his in ring behavior was likely to keep the fans entertained while he pressed for an opening. If you are the best striker in the world, and your opponent’s strategy is to fall down every time there’s pressure, what’s next?

This was a bad matchup and perhaps the Silva everyone should point a finger at is Joe Silva. I’d love to see Anderson Silva Vs. Tim Bosche, Anthony Munez, Brandon Vera, Ushin Okami, Mark MacDonaold, Houston Alexander, or another banger with bad intentions but I have to settle for Partick the Predator, and Thales Leites. Its the UFC’s fault for not getting a great match-up signed. Not the CHAMPS!

Has anyone heard from Leites or his entourage after this debacle?

The UFC should hire their own translators for the press conferences. That way there is no confusion on what he said and what he didn’t.

As countrymen, were they too close to hit each other in the face? That pathetic and inappropriate love fest the two of them had after the fight looked like two training partners after a good workout.

Another thought: Maybe Anderson just didn’t want to hurt this guy. I mean seriously, Leites just comes across as the nicest dude, and he wasn’t really trying to hurt Silva all that much. Why should Anderson kill some kid who’s got a baby on the way and was clearly being thrown to the wolves? Both men knew that one of them had no business being in the octagon that night, but if you’re Leites, would you turn down an opportunity like that? Fuck no. And despite all the crowd’s boos and chants, Silva took the high road and never gave up on his core values: that martial arts are to be used for self-defense only.

Think about how deeply humble and respectful Silva has always been to his opponents. I think this definitely had something to do with his lack of aggression when pitted against a hapless Leites.

Both men went out there and did the best they could with a BS situation. If you need to blame someone, point the finger at the ones who booked the fight – not the guys who are contractually obligated to perform when called upon.

All i wanna know is who gets the points when one opponent is taken to the ground by himself?

Get off Silva’s cock already, hes sick and tired of shit opponents with one sided game plans who are scared to attempt to TAKE the belt from the CHAMP. Bring him a worthy opponent or a dumb one like Bisping who thinks he can do any better. And guess what you will get? A motherfucking rampage of a KO.

So many haters who don’t even understand the progression of a truly masterful Mixed Martial Arts fighter. *Sad face*

You know im been extremely upset with Cagepotato and the other MMA blogs…All these high expectations and youre incompetent disapointment in that fight. Silva is the champion, its his job to keep the title. That challenger is the one that needs to work for it. Thales did nothing but fall on his back. It doesnt work like that. Thales needed to do more that flop to his back any time anderson throws a punch. Its amazing how you guys dont even give Thales the hard time like youre giving Silva. How can you expect the Champion to play into your game? If youre a BJJ guy and fighting a Muay Thai guy like Silva, you need to take him down and do youre submission. I was more pissed at Thales for being a pussy and flopping to his back. Silva did everything right, its not his fault his opponet wouldnt challenge him. Its not Silva’s fault that the dude didnt have a better game plan than layin on his back. Not everytime Silva steps into the cage is he going to knock someone’s head off. Silva feels people out in the first round. Thales obvioulsy was waiting for silva to start the round off. It doesnt work like that. Once again the Challenger needs to be hungry for that belt, and layin on the ground just shows he didnt want it. I swear if Thales is ever on a main card again i WILL NOT buy the event. Silva hasnt lost any of my respect. Thales deserves to be on the undercard for the rest of his contract. He’s a pussy. Straight up. Go back to brazil and do your JJ their.

Machida is the man. How the fuck can anyone compare Silva’s last two fights to anything Machida has ever been in?

Ok does anyone remember the Marquart fight? Anderson takes Nate down with a beautiful switch, then proceeds to pound his face out. What was the difference with this fight? Was anderson so scare3d of Thales’ guard? Was thales not clinching like Nate was?

I dunno if you ask me after 3 rounds Anderson should have realized that Thales had nothing for him, attacked more on the feet and attacked more on the ground.

@ Hexed79:

100% RIGHT. If your game is on the ground. YOU take it to the ground. Don’t get confused when your open invitation into your guard is ignored.

@ NateGetsIrate:

It was a very interesting series of wipes from the face to the body he made just after the Vaseline was applied. Can’t really think the intention was to spread it around but you never know.

Make no mistake, these spectacles are not so much “fights” as “contests”. In a fight, there are no rules and anything goes – it’s truly survival of the fittest. In a contest, there are rules that can be exploited by smarter and more gifted fighters to eek out decision victories. It may not always be exciting, but that’s how it goes. I still call ‘em fights though, cuz that’s just a way cooler name.

If you recall, there was talk that Anderson didn’t even want to take this fight a few months back. He knew exactly what would happen, but hey, don’t listen to the guy who’s made a career out of fighting, who you repeatedly praise as the best p4p fighter in the world. Book your shitty opponent and try to earn a bunch of money off a lopsided fight, then get pissed when your champ gets bored, it all goes to hell, and everyone who was expecting a “fight” feels cheated.

This is bullshit:

“This was a case of the champ fighting with a sense of entitlement, and absolutely no sense of obligation to put on a show for the fans.”

It’s written with the premise that Silva owes the fans something, when he doesn’t. Silva has more than proved his worth in the cage and in the ring, and if the UFC wants to put on crap matchups he shouldn’t be expected to cater to one-dimensional fighters in order to satisfy anyone other than himself.

Look how much criticism Koscheck has recently garnered for chasing the KO and abandoning wrestling. Anderson would have gotten a similar reaction if he’d followed Lietes to the ground and gotten subbed, and he’s got much more at risk than Koscheck ever will.

I don’t know anything more than any other fan does, but I’m guessing Anderson is tired of the UFC, he’s tired of not getting exciting fights, and he’s really tired of a restricitive contract. As soon as he finishes contractual obligations, he stands to make more in an hour standing with RJJ than he did in his entire MMA career…and that payday can be jeopardized by even one loss in the eyes of a fickle audience. Personally, I think Jones will destroy him, but I can’t fault Anderson for wanting to get on with what probably appear to him as bigger and better things.

But I think the premise that any fighter owes the audience anything is absolute bullshit, from the ground up.

rh

If Leites wanted the fight on the ground, it was his job to take Silva down.

How many takedowns did he attempt?

Lay and pray argument is good, but not perfect. A Clay Guida lay and pray is sometimes they dumbest thing ive ever seen. The lay and pray that im talking about is where there is no hitting or anything, just sitting. Anderson was doing his gameplan showing skill, striking, threw about 200+ strikes and damaged thales. Lay and Pray shows no skill whatsoever, just being lazy on the ground not doin shit. So i have every right to complain against the Lay And Pray fuckers that im talking about. Silva has nothing to prove. some of you so called fans think there should be knockouts every fight. As i would appreciate that too, i dont go watching UFC looking for KO’s or submissions. I watch for a good fight. Thats it. Its like you guys just watch “Bloodsport” and think that is what should happen all the time in UFC.

I just commented about Silva smearing vaseline on his body and the comment got flagged as spam. What’s up with that?

Who cares!!! any more, let it go people. it’s done and over nothing can be done about it they fought ugly yes….it sure was better that the Shamrock and Diaz fight or the Shamrock and Dan “the Beast” fight…

totally agree with shiki31.

If you’re going to blame anyone blame that idiot Joe Silva, the UFC, And Lietes. If you’re going to fight for a shot a the title then go in there and effing Fight…..plain and simple. Not sure if you’re going to win a title sitting on your ass 85% of the time.

The UFC has never come out and condemed a fighter for lay and pray. Never came out and said they were embarrassed by a fight, especially not by a champion (Randy Couture beating Tim Sylvia comes to mind), and the blogosphere of so called “journalists” have never come down on a fighter like they have for Silva in his last two outings.

@ Dubya

lol Anderson was the one doing all the work…Hence he was the
one attempting to compete. If you can say Leites was competing, i suggest you invest in some glass’s.

why would he want the respect of people who cant appreciate his skills in the octagon…

i mean come on Machida go’s to the cards in numerous fights way more than Anderson, than he gets one knockout and everything’s ok…but Anderson knocks fools out like crazy and has 1 fight that go’s to decision and people are all pissy.

silly humans ^.^

@ k Says…

No… people like Silva who are too good to be touched are to be respected for their skill and dedication to the sport. Whether the casual fan acknowledges that person or not is insignificant. Silva is the best at 185 whether the PPV buy rates or fan satisfaction indicate as much.

If you want to be exciting or aggressive in a fight that’s one thing, but it isn’t always the smart thing to do. Smart = victory.

I love the people on here that try to act like they are a sophisticated, evolved fan and that everyone else not agreeing with them are heathen, blood-thirsty beginner fans that should go watch Kimblow’s street fights.

I don’t need blood. I don’t need slugging. I don’t need reckless abandon. I appreciate the style of being elusive but I also want to see the fighters going for it – whether that’s JJ or striking.

That counter-puncher argument is weak. So you only want to throw if the other guy is? What if he doesn’t? Do you just stand there and dance around? Last time I checked it I wasn’t watching the Ultimate Dancing Championship.

Yay, Chuck competed! And got knocked out… again. And his reaction time has become noticeably slower after each ko. He probably wont be able to talk coherently in ten years, but at least he tried! What kind of fool thinks being physically punished over and over again is better than…. y’know being an amazingly skilled athelete? Give me a break.

in my opinion (which i also think is common sense) silva didn’t want to risk going on the ground with him because he might lose and i’m sure he would see that as a major upset. he knew that he could win standing up doing what he was doing and i believe he knows that no matter how lackluster his performance was, dana white won’t let go the fighter he so often claims is the best fighter in the world. and also, leites didn’t want to trade with him, he couldnt imagine trading with silva anywheres past the second round. so he tried to piss off silva enough to actually try and come down on him with some strikes to the ground so he could hopefully catch him in his guard and work from there. that’s what i tried to explain to the people around me watching it, anyways.

@WUWU (and everyone else defending Silva’s performance)

The vast majority of people want fighters who try and finish. It’s not about blood or gore for most fans. Despite you, or anyone else’s, appreciation for this type of fight, if every fighter decides to fight this “perfect” fight, MMA will fail. There simply isn’t enough of an audience of people who enjoy watching fighters outpoint their opponents without even trying to finish.

It’s the same reason “lay & pray” opponents get booed all the time. No one, I repeat, NO ONE, has the right to complain about lay & pray if they try and defend Silva. Think about it: lay & pray fighters completely overwhelm their opponents and make them look foolish, take little to no damage themselves, do minimal damage to their opponents, but completely control the fight. Are lay & pray fighters executing a perfect match, of which we should appreciate the art and science?

People don’t want to appreciate the art and science of outpointing an opponent. They want to appreciate the art and science of finishing, or at least attempting to finish an opponent.

Anderson Silva is the champ. It is the challengers job to take the title away from him. Thales seemed to be expecting Silva to bring the fight to him. This was most evident by his continual “flopping” (pulling guard). Silva was playing it smart. We wasn’t letting Lates play his game. I was disappointed by the lack of desire and effort that Thales showed in trying to obtain the title.

People don’t pay $50 to watch the best p4p fighter in the world do just enough to NOT LOSE. Especially to a guy who poses little to no threat.

Not Lose = Win?

If I remember correctly, Anderson punched Thales in the foot… it’s like instead of kicking the guy’s ass, he was saying “hey, look at the silly crap I can do in the Octogon and still not get scratched!” – of course, Ed Soares would have to translate that for us.

I assume that Anderson didn’t need to wait for the roudn to end to have Ed translate the crowd’s chants of “BOOOOO!”, “BULLSHIT!”, and “GSP!!” Some things are universal.

Anderson, if you’re reading this… ahem.. I mean Ed, if you are reading this, please translate the following message to Anderson:

Your job is not to avoid a loss, it’s to COMPETE. Chuck competed harder in his loss than you did in your win.

You have to earn that belt EVERY time. And now you have to earn back our respect!

CagePotato, you guys keep losing points in my book. Keep talkin shit and your views on this fight are pathetic just as Anonymous said. Im starting to think you guys yelled GSP and BULLSHIT throughout the fight just like those canadians that night. And the fans you talk about CP are the stupid “casual” fans that Joe Rogan talked about. So they dont really have a say in shit. Besides paying bank.

I find the fight hilarious. Normally when submission guys take on kickboxers, you see alot of the submission guy holding the kickboxer down for 25 minutes. In this fight, you see the kickboxer trying to get the submission guy off the ground to strike for 25 minutes.

If the fight goes to a draw, the champ retains the belt. Silva has already expressed that he wants to retire but can’t cuz he’s stuck in a contract, so what the fuck kind of motivation is he gonna have to risk putting himself in a place where a scrub like Leites might have the opportunity to catch him with a lucky punch?

Fuck MeatHeads!

This is all wrong. Anderson is a counter fighter and he only KOs aggressive fighters. This was his usual style. Leites is to blame for the boring fight, he was undeserving of the shot at the belt anyway.

Blame UFC matchmakers for this one.

This is all wrong. Anderson is a counter fighter and he only KOs aggressive fighters. This was his usual style. Leites is to blame for the boring fight, he was undeserving of the shot at the belt anyway.

Blame UFC matchmakers for this one.

Silva is there to defend his belt. Leitis should not be allowed to compete in the UFC again PERIOD.

Scott…The porn reference was out of line. Its not like porn. Porn has chicks in it. I will happily accept your appology at your nearest convenience.

The fucked up thing is exciting fast paced fights are what made this sport popular and profitable. All you people defending the actions of guys like Machida and Silva should just go and watch some karate point fighting. If you don’t like it go somewhere else and sit on your high horses. The thing about most of us who don’t give a shit about martial arts is it’s exactly that. Martial arts are boring and old, thats why we watch mixed martial arts we like seeing people get hurt and knocked out and fucked up. Isn’t that why the majority of us watch it?

i dont understand when a guy does the lay and pray gameplan people dont say anything but when guy doesnt want to go to the floor everybody is bitc*hing
i think its Leites u have to beat the champ or make him fight your fight
dont lay there and think he going to give u hes belt why in the world would spider
go to the ground he likes to strike and he has a better change of a K.O then a SUB
it Leites who had a bad showing

I disagree with you. I found the Silva/Leites fight to be extremely entertaining. You could see the tension build up between the two of them since Silva couldn’t get find a way to “crack the defense” of Leites and likewise, you could see Leites losing hope and eventually breaking and giving up.

One major theme that I thought made this fight great was the question of whether or not Silva would get tempted into jumping into Leites’ guard and this was a great source of excitement.

Perhaps you need to learn more about the MMA game or at least learn to appreciate the mental aspect of it. This fight literally kept my friends and I on the edge of our seats.

btw what silva did was NOT MMA, it’s WAS ONE ASPECT OF BOXING. IT’S CALLED COUNTER PUNCHING…..

doesn’t work when the opp isn’t attacking.

as perverted and disgusting as your comment sounds, i could not think of a better way to put it.

however, if you’re going to compare silva’s performance against that of st pierre, or his performances against hendo and franklin, you also have to see how those guys were fighting as well. they were willing to trade with silva (hendo and franklin) and it seemed as if fitch was trying to win the fight by “engaging” with st pierre and not lying on his back everytime he got within 5 feet of him. it’s been said over and over and over again…MATCHUPS MAKE FIGHTS and this was a boneheaded stupid matchup made by joe silva and approved by dana white and the powers that be. and when the fuck is yushin okami going to get a rematch with silva?

Dana White just annouced his new nickname today! Anderson “The Mosquito” Silva! Because he takes a little blood from ya but doesn’t put you away….

oh yes we want a monster truck show or wwe, WOW GREAT POINTS. wow people who have diff opinions than you just got put in our place, ouch.

sigh

I enjoyed Silva/Leites – Silva did exactly what I expected him to do – make Leites look like a fool who had no business being in the cage with him. I don’t care how, that’s not my business. Just that he did it is great.

All you people that buy a UFC event expecting WWE or a monster truck show fuck it up for the rest of us that actually give a shit about martial arts – not brawling.

Just wondering. Is it the same people that’s bitching about Silva right now the same ones that usually bitch about Machida?

I used to respect the views of Cage Potato writers, but their views on this fight are so pathetic it makes me sick.

This can’t be compared to Tim Silvia as he literally ran away during his fights, Silva didn’t have the chance to run as Leites never put ANY pressure on AT ALL.

Also, whats with the bullshit advertising for “Fighting” plastered all of the webpage?

losing credability here Cage Potato

Andersons other opponents actually came out to fight and win, Leites went into the cage and just wanted to survive. try fighting someone who really doesn’t want to fight back

exactly what i thought about it, he fought five rounds and didn’t take any damage… most fights where fighters take no damage are 1st round knockouts.

Leites was 95% responsible for that horse crap.

counter punching only works when your being attacked…. and is only one part of boxing much less mma. seemed like 22 min’s of dwts and 3 min’s of actually fighting.

For the love of God make GSP vs Silva happen.

I agree totally!!!!!

He’s a superlative fighter. As fight fans we should be able to appreciate the skill and dominating performances he gives us. Not every MMA fight needs to be a bloody, ugly, brutal knockout.

The same thing will happen when Machida gets the belt, get over your fucking simian urge for blood and appreciate the art and science of it

This was an AWFUL Fight. What happened to Anderson that made him this way?

Right on. This is like porn. Noone wants to see average people fucking in the missionary position for 25 minutes. We all want to see switching positions, anal, and all the spicy shit that makes it exciting. Pretty soon nobody will buy the ppv’s with anderson on them. Sorry, but that’s the way it is.

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