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Are You Really Ready to Pay for a WEC Card? Really?


(Just a couple of poor boys fighting over scraps of food and tens of thousands of dollars.)

This week I debated MMA writer/Army officer Kelly Crigger on a number of MMA-related topics (what’s that, sounds suspiciously like our Ben vs. Ben feature? Yeah, tell it to Crigger, *cough*ripoff*cough), but the one where we seemed to differ the most revolved around whether the WEC can now make a successful transition to pay-per-view.  Kelly argues yes, pointing to the excitement provided by the last WEC event and the need to improve fighter pay in Zuffa’s little guy organization.  He’s right, of course.  They have been putting on good shows lately and Mike Brown does deserve a raise, but it doesn’t mean I’m personally prepared to give it to him.

Why?  Take a look at the upcoming WEC 42 lineup, for instance.  As far as I can tell, there’s one fight worth paying for on that card, and it’s the main event bout between Miguel Torres and Brian Bowles.  Aside from that you’ve got Joseph Benavidez vs. Dominic Cruz, Ricardo Lamas vs. Danny Castillo, and Takeya Mizugaki vs. Jeff Curran. 

I realize that this is a card they aren’t asking us to pay for, and they might well stack a pay-per-view with more stars (last time I checked, though, they only had three), but the point is they just don’t have the depth worth paying for.  They have a couple of guys who are big among hardcore fans.   And those hardcore fans are already strapped from buying UFC pay-per-views and  TapouT beds.

What's more, fans are already used to getting this product for free (with a cable TV package).  You know what happens when you take something that’s free and ask people to pay for it?  They get mad at you.  Ask any (non-porn) website that has tried to transition to a subscription-based format.  You have to improve the quality drastically if you’re going to ask people to pay for something you used to give away, and I don’t see how the WEC can do that with its current roster.

Like Crigger, I’d love to see WEC fighters get paid more.  Just not enough to pay them myself.  But maybe that’s just me.  Anyone out there willing to shell out a few bucks for regular WEC pay-per-views?  If so, how much would you realistically pay to see the little fella’s beat the hell out of each other, and how often?

Comments

No Aldo? No love.

I'm barely willing to pay for UFC anymore, Not a chance in hell i'd pay for a WEC. but hey i still see smaller shows on PPV maybe it'll work but i doubt it.

You have to figure there would need to be at leasr 3 fights worth the money to actually pay....so if you take their 3 biggest fights a year, MAYBE I'd pay for that....but that elaves no big fights for the freebies.

This won't happen until a year or so from now. They need to have at least 10 stars so 3-4 can be on each PPV.

I never pay for UFC so I'm sure as hell not going to pay for WEC.

Nope. The UFC has already saturated the PPV market. Most of my friends that watch the UFC barely even know the WEC exists. This won't work, I won't pay. Maybe I would pay $20 but that's about it and I'm sure they want more than $20.

The WEC needs to branch out and add some things to make it more unique. All of their events seem small (no pun intended). They should have a featherweight tournament with the winner getting a crack at the title. I might pay to see some of that.

I already don't pay for UFC PPVs. Shit, I don't even own a TV. I either go to any bar that has them on, or, if no bars decide to buy it, I read the play-by-plays and download illegally if it sounds interesting. It's damn near impossible to find a bar that will show a FREE WEC show, so a PPV would be damned near impossible. As a low-class white male in my mid twenties, I probably describe a significant part of the MMA demographic and many in my bracket probably follow the same formula.

Zuffa and other MMA leagues could really stand to take a hint from Bellator on their internet marketing. I've been seeing nothing but high quality clips provided by Bellator themselves on Youtube and it's showing me that their product may be worth paying for. Despite not owning a TV, I know a couple of friends that do and throwing down thirty bucks between three-five guys is an easier pill to swallow than the fifty to sixty for a ZUFFA event.

Now, if Zuffa is willing to charge twenty five to thirty dollars for a WEC event, I can see them getting some sells. Fifty dollars for something that was free a month before? Get the fuck out.

WEC PPVs would be a death knell IMO.

The UFCs are already adding up as it is. I could see myself dropping maybe like $10, but that'd also have to be for a pretty stacked WEC card.

It wouldn't bother me to have WEC 'superfights' or whatever you'd want to call them which would be pay per view, but you couldn't do them very often because of the very few interesting fights to be had right now.
However, pay per view money would draw in more talent and create better fighters/fights.
I go to bars to watch the UFC, or WEC so I'm only paying for the bar tab anyhow.
I'm not sure what bars you folks go to but most sports bars will tune at least one tv to an event for you if you ask them to.

Yea I would pay about ten bucks but, like some people said, It would need to be stacked for that to happen.

Nope...not big enough cards to warrant the purchase.

IMO the wec is good for one thing. Put it on as a free show directly before a ufc ppv to get people to have a sneek peak so more people will buy the main ufc ppv

i would think putting fights like this on the UFC card would do more for the fighters and UFC. Then keep the WEC free. I think it was a shame when they closed the heavier divisions in the WEC. I felt they should have used them for a minor league.

I always purchase every PPV but what is cool about the WEC is that it is FREE! its like between the UFC, Affliction, Strikeforce ECT. nice not to have to pay once in a while

I might pay for a WEC show, but to make money they would have to promote it differently. My suggestion would be to use an upcoming season of TUF at a featherweight or bantamweight class to cross promote the UFC and WEC, introducing the latter to a much wider audience. Promote the hell out of the show and give the winner a title shot at the first WEC PPV.

Nope.....if I have to watch what I have for lunch on the daily (bologna sandwiches & PB&J) why the eff would I want to pay for WEC. If this was a must I'm capping my price at 9.99, otherwise I'm spending my cash on mayo and mustard.

I think that the answer would be in changing broadcasting venues for the WEC. I have no idea how long Zuffa's contract is with Versus, but everyone (except Versus) would financially benefit if WEC fights were broadcast on a better rated channel.

If the WEC was broadcast on SpikeTV or Fox, there would be higher product profile and commercial revenue for everyone.

Think of it as 'baby-steps' to PPV. Let's all tear a page outta EliteXC's book and grow the WEC as the sport itself grows. WEC is not ready for PPV yet, but soon.

I agree with Old Bad, if they just moved to spike, the fighters would be able to make more money off their sponsors cause they're getting viewed more.

Perhaps have free WEC's and they all lead up to one big PPV, where you have Miguel Torres, Urijah, Mike Brown, Jens Pulver (i guess), Brian Bowles, Leanardo Garcia and in the meantime put some money into some up and comers.

Id pay for that.

Nope.

WEC is like Arby's.

Not worth paying for, but I'd take it for free.

I'd pay 10 bucks if Brown, Faber, aldo, and Miguel were all on the card. I don't see myself spending any more than that on wec.

Are you kidding me Burrito?? Dude Arby's is fucking delicious. Way better than dumbass McDonalds and Burger King. Thats dumb.

WEC, look, I like you. I mean, I like like you. But I don't know if I'm ready for that kind of commitment. At first, we were just a couple of crazy kids having fun, now all of a sudden you want to get serious? I just have too many things going on in my life right now, no, wait, don't cry. It's not you, it's me! C'mon, we can still be friends. Maybe every once in a while you can put on a free show just for old time's sake? See, it won't be so bad.

I wouldn't pay. I don't even buy the UFCs anymore since they jacked up the rates. It's fucking ridiculous what they think a single show is worth, greedy bastards. So yea basically if they make the WEC PPV only I'll never see another one live much like the UFC now.

i am in agreement with most everyone - the WEC just isnt worth shelling out the money... $14.99 would be the most I could see it going for and getting people to buy, but even thats a stretch... with only two weight classes, there isnt a lot draw for the casual fans to pay money... and honestly even the last WEC card was only marginally awesome and definitely not up to a $45.99 or even 29.99 level..

no, the WEC has to stay free if it wants to stay in business.

Seriously, $19.99 max. Which should get bumped down to $14.99 because of Joe Martinez's "Are you ready?" scream.

I wont argue that Arby's beats McDonalds or Burger King.

Maybe it's different where you live, but around here a freaking roast beef sandwich is 5.99!

I'm a cheap-ass mofo, I'm not paying that much for a sandwich and I ain't payin' for WEC either.

Crap, now I actually want a beef and cheddar. You jerk.

I go to hooters to watch UFC so im ok with it as long as hooters shows it

I'm not ready to start shelling out more cash for Urijah in cornrows.

BTW, CP. The Tapout bed...totally worth it!

I'll be in the club like "sup girl, wanna come to my bedroom? I gotta Tapout bed." And they'll be like, "Tapout bed? Oh yes, Fenix, take me to Pleasure town!" And I'll be like "Oh we're going there! WE'RE GOING THERE!"

Hahaha Burrito. Yea that shits weak though how much they charge. I guess I missed your point.

LOL I'm so hungry I can eat Arby's - who said this?

No I will never pay for a WEC fight. I pay for UFC and that's killer already if you think about it I pay around 600 a year for 12 UFC PPV fights. It's fun and all but they need to come up with like a yearly package deal for like 400 bucks b/c every month I tell myself no I don't want to watch this one and then my friends are like Yo you having the fight and I'm like Shit! Yeah but your bringing a 12pk and doughnuts over but dammit man money doesn't grow on trees!

CJvsCP, "LOL I'm so hungry I can eat Arby's - who said this?"

One of the twins on the Simpsons in the Lord of the Flies episode.

It so fukin sad that I know that....

Nice............ and chin up buddy it's not sad like Millhouse says, "My shoes are soaking wet but my cuffs are bone dry, everythings turning up Millhouse!"

must.have.TapouT.bed.

I can barely get my friends to watch it with me on tv for free as it is...

"Don't make me run! I am full of Chocolate!" (please say in Germany Uter-esque accent please.)

I'd pay about $20 to watch the little guys fight... hell, why doesn't UFC absorb WEC like we suggested and have some of the lil guys fight on PPVs or just have a fight night every month to help showcase some of the up and comers. I'm sure Spike won't mind bumping a three-hour block of CSI: Miami to garner more ratings with a LIVE UFC event, even if it is some of the lesser known cats.

If the UFC was to absorb the WEC I wouldn't mind paying an extra $5-10 for each PPV. It's not so bad, you grab some of your friends that like UFC, every chips in $10-20 bucks and you have a night of fights, buds, beer, brats, and "bud" if that's your sort of thing.

@Meohfumado

It's not sad that you can quote "The Simpsons" it just means you're semi-intelligent and get good humor.

If you go around quoting "Family Guy" then you're sad, because it probably means you're a knuckle-dragging Arby's employee.

We are so interested in WEC that we are talking about Arby's and the Simpsons.

Do you think we will pay for that?

9001,9002,9003...

I would not pay for a WEC card.

@MyFightWiffaCheeto

Ummm yeah...I can quote both. So I guess I'm a semi-intelligent knuckledragger who pretty much only watches cartoons and sports.

I would pay $19.99. Not a dollar more. Those little fuckers are half the size, so the card should be half the price.

I really enjoyed the last card. It was an exciting night of fights.

For the WEC, transitioning to PPV is commercial suicide. A lot has gone into making the UFC a palatable PPV buy for $50 a month. Even at half that price, the WEC lacks the depth, the stars and the exposure to make it an appealing buy. They only have events, what, every three months or so? It just shows that the WEC doesn't have enough going on for people to keep paying attention to it - after every UFC fight they're already hyping the next event. Hell, they plan their events four or five at a time! There's new UFC news daily. With the WEC, fight news trickles out every week or two.

Sports fans are junkies and need daily information to keep them interested. Why do you think people check the MMA blogs daily? If the WEC can either build itself up with more fighters (and more INTERESTING fighters) and hold more regular events, maybe people would be more willing to pay a price. But then maybe they should just fold the WEC into the UFC entirely and have more frequent "Fight Night" events on Spike to showcase the lighter weight classes. I don't think anybody would complain about more than one UFC even per month, especially given the size of the UFC's roster. I'm sure some of the lesser known fighters would love the chance to be more active.

LOL At buying Tapout beds... God I wish I could post a picture right here I would post a pic of my brother in law's bedroom complete with everything now to man Tapout puts out, including the full bed set.

He recently had to attend his son's graduration and went to find a nice non fighting shirt to wear and closest thing he found was a Tapout shirt with only a small logo, seriously all he has is Warrior Wear,Affliction,Tapout clothes.

I think Wec's titles should be defended on UFC shows, thus giving the champs the pay increased they have earned and Urijah should fight a few guys like Tyson Griffon at 155.

Who the fuck can afford PPVs already? I am of the opinion they need to put MMA on fucking NBC and share this amazing gift with the world. The money will come when they have REAL sponsors, like Adidas and Nike and shit, real sports companies, not fucking Affliction and Condom Depot (big ups for helping, lil guy. But you are just a lil guy).

Also, a big part of the problem is they are a Zuffa owned promotion, and Dana and the Fertittas make BANK LIKE A MUTHAFUCKA by not paying fighters shit, and they love $$, so there is that as well.

Holy fuck, who the hell is going to buy a PPV, whatever it costs, on a sunday night? They would have to switch the nights, so what Saturday or Friday? You can bet it won't be on Saturday, because thats the UFC's night. Too early, shit i can barly be bothered to watch it illegally.

I think WEC events could work as PPVs if...

- They got more promotion on UFC events. As many mentions as Dana White's twitter, etc. as well as some promotion on Spike TV. Maybe not as much as UFC events, but maybe 1/3rd as much.

- Only one in every few events was broadcast on PPV. Maybe put a WEC event on PPV when there's not going to be a UFC event for a while. No more than 4 times a year.

- Offer them as a package with the UFC. How much are UFC events now, $50.00? I could see them offering, for $60.00, a WEC event as well.

- Make sure that the price isn't more than $20.00 or $25.00.

With all of that combined, I think WEC PPVs could be a successful product.

If they go thru with this, the WEC can suck it.

Fuck yeah Dmonicideals. I thought the same thing.

Arby's Beef & Cheddar, FTW!