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Bas Rutten Gives More Details About Golden Glory-Overeem Falling Out and They Are Doozies

(“He’s behind me, isn’t he?”)

Bas Rutten spoke with longtime MMA reporter and color analyst Paul Lazenby earlier this week and when talk turned to the dispute between his fellow countrymen and longtime friends with Golden Glory and Alistair Overeem, “El Guapo” revealed a few interesting tidbits from conversations he had with both sides. They say that in any dispute there are two sides to the story and that the truth lays somewhere in the middle and being that he has relationships with both parties, Rutten’s view is a bipartisan one.

According to Bas, contrary to what Alistair is telling everyone, it was him and Not Golden Glory who are to blame for the situation and that the split came because Overeem has no loyalty to the people who were behind him through the good and bad times in his career.

“It’s a money thing. He simply doesn’t want to pay the people who made him. When he lost three fights in a row…well, like pretty much five, I mean, he lost, won, lost three times in a row, won, and lost again…and nobody wanted to have him. But his management kept pushing and using the power that they have because they have other great fighters. Like, for example [they would say],’If you want Semmy Schilt to fight, then you have to take Alistair as well.’ It’s funny how fighters think,” Rutten explains. “When it goes bad with them, their team is everything to them, and they love their team. In interviews after they win a fight, they say: “I owe everything to my team”. Then when the management starts to put great fights together for them, directing their careers and the fighter gets better and better, some of them simply can’t handle it, and it gets to their head.”

Rutten says he predicted that bad things were coming when he heard Overeem bragging about his K-1 title.

“I had a bad feeling already when he called himself, after he won the K-1 Grand Prix, ‘a legend.‘ He actually said in an interview right after he won, ‘I am a legend now.’ I don’t think a fighter can ever make that comment about himself. And talking about the Grand Prix, let’s face it, he had a great deal of luck as well there,” Bas says. “He fought Peter Aerts who had a WAR with Semmy Schilt [previously that night] and was completely banged up, and then he fought [Gokhan] Saki, who had a broken arm AND hand, in the finals! At that moment when you win, you should say, ‘I’m very happy with the result, the stars were in line for me tonight, I also got a little bit of luck.’ Because everybody is going to say that about you anyway, you might as well simply say it yourself to keep the people respecting you, but NOT, ‘I’m a legend.’”

Bas says that without his trainers and management team at GG, Overeem may never have achieved the level of success that he did and that he had no problem with his deal with them until the seven figure contracts came.

“I KNOW what Golden Glory did for him. He couldn’t punch or kick when he came to them, and I mean, HE COULDN’T PUNCH OR KICK! Some fighters get big and then forget who was fighting for them when they were losing. Two months ago, he wanted to make a belt for the Golden Glory team with, ‘FOR CHAMPION MANAGEMENT,’ engraved on it. Those were HIS words after they made this huge [UFC] contract for him, and now he says they are morons? He used them to negotiate the best deal and when they did it, now suddenly they are morons? Explain that to me. It’s unreal. Also, a few months ago, when they started to get close to a good deal with the UFC, he realized that he could make a lot of money. The first thing he did was go to Cor Hemmers, his striking coach, and tried to renegotiate the 10% trainer’s fee. You have to understand, [a deal like Alistair's UFC contract] is a dream for trainers, because there is a possibility that they create, with the help from management of course, a fighter who can make some REAL money for them. Because let’s face it, most trainers don’t live in a huge house, don’t drive a big car, they do it for the love of the fighter they train. They put their whole heart and soul in there.”

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Netizen- November 17, 2011 at 12:47 pm
I love Bas, how can anyone not love him but I don't agree with him here at all.

It is a business for golden glory and the trainers as much as it is a business for overeem. Where do they get this entitlement that he owes them his life? How do they want to justify their increase in payment - because they built him up? WTF! That is just the worst argument. If overeem makes 10 times the money he now they can only ask for 10 times more if they also do 10 times more for him. It is as simple as that!

The comparison with the cleaning lady is actually very fitting, he pays her for the work she does for him and not a percentage of the money HE EARNS when HE steps into the cage/ring. She won't come up to him and say "I kept your place clean for all these years now I want more because you make more". The only people greedy here are GG and the trainers.

As a fan of the sport I am glad overeem changed camps and trains in the U.S. now. I am sure that is gonna be good for takedown defence. Besides there is just so much someone can teach you, at some point you need to look for new inputs...
The Incredible Huck- November 17, 2011 at 7:28 am
No one has mentioned the fact that Overeem was never even paid for his K-1 Grand Prix victory (watch episode 7 on his website). I know K-1 is in a world of hurt financially but its managements job to get their fighter paid, especially if they win the damned tournamnet!It is my understanding, from previous interviews, that he has his own lawyers working on it now. A change in camp was needed on Overeems part: GG is a great kickboxing camp but thats not going to help him against the huge wrestlers he will face in the UFC. I like Bas but he pissed me off in this article, yes Alistair was lucky in the K-1 GP but thats fighting for you, anything can happen. AO stated at the last years GP that he was going to win the next one. He busted his ass to get there and he won the tourny- kudos. Dont try to take that away from him. Also, if you read the full article Bas also blames Martijn De Jongs recent heart/health problems on stress caused by Alistair. Way out of line Bas!
Bandito- November 17, 2011 at 6:12 am
El Guapo Says:
"Not you, Karma. KARMA karma."

You mean Karma Chameleon?
Dagnut- November 17, 2011 at 6:05 am
"we made him" like fuck you did ..the guy matured..people for get Overeem is still only 31..he's been on a winning streak for 4's not usual for people to mature into a better fighter at 27
Me likey- November 17, 2011 at 4:47 am
release the kraken
Deal_the_Seal- November 17, 2011 at 12:37 am
Horse Rage
bitteralex- November 16, 2011 at 9:54 pm
to say that bas has a bipartisan view really makes me think that you have no idea what bipartisan means... I love bas but it look like he already picked a side... although hearing the other side of it was pretty interesting...
I do agree that it's a fighters prerogative if he feels the need to change camps or management, fighters do it all the time, however, is it fair for the fighter to air the dirty laundry publicly and then sue them? seems pretty off to me... sounds like he's listening to his hanger-ons
MrBlondeSL- November 16, 2011 at 9:35 pm
Overeem was cutting way to much to make 205? hmmmm
WhyNotZoidberg- November 16, 2011 at 8:51 pm
" So, as example, if the 10% trainer’s fee would have been $20,000, Alistair paid $2,500 and still owes $17,500."

Nope. That would be $3.000 - $17.000.
djp1988- November 16, 2011 at 8:46 pm
Overeem fights his management.
Bas fights influenza.

scrambled eggs- November 16, 2011 at 7:00 pm
I believe Bas here. Overeem is a cocky son of a bitch. I never thought I'd see Brock fight someone who's more of an a-hole than he is, but I honestly feel like Overeem's a dick.
RwilsonR- November 16, 2011 at 6:24 pm
I agree with El Guapo... on his awesome SFII caption.
XENOPHON- November 16, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Will the real El Guapo please stand up!
Gotta love El Guapo as a legend too, but there is much to his own opinion. Like others, its his world and and we are just living in it.
If anyone thinks that AO could not punch or kick, they are wrong. GG may have helped his surpass the 10,000 hour rule, but he was always a good fighter - same as his brother.
Like most, AO's career is his own, and business is business - if GG didn't have a solid contract in place to cover their investment - they only have the mirror to look into.
Dana_Plight- November 16, 2011 at 3:04 pm
I believe anything he says, even if I didn't read this article and he is totally wrong.
fatbellyfrank- November 16, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Your all missing the main point here, Does this now mean marloes is available?
beetle_tits- November 16, 2011 at 1:40 pm
i see bas's pointbut at the same time this is ridiculous. he is claiming he knows whats in all the emails. when in all reality i kinda doubt. Im guessing they have been taking the 35% for quite some time to get the total of 150k that overeem claims. bas then says "they would be glad to renegotiate". that indicates that they have been taking more than their share for quite some time and acknowledge it. the 5% for taxes thing just seems like a rounded number that is not the true "tax amount". 30 percent for a guy you gotta figure with UFC is gonna get paid 300k a fight.Thats 90k he's gotta cough up. thats insane,for a fuckin 2 month camp??also the talk of "where where they when he lost 5 fights? we made him is a huge contradiction" if you made him so good why was he losing? sounds like golden glory thinks they are more important than the fighter. Taking the fighters money 1st? claiming for taxes? they treat them like lil kids with a savings account.I now see why overeem left
shatterproof- November 16, 2011 at 1:38 pm
Bas should mind his own god damn business. That's not a two-side-to-every-argument thing, it is a straight up hatchet job from a guy who is supposed to be a member of the MMA press these days.

What happened Bas? You used to be cool.
TellaTruth- November 16, 2011 at 1:16 pm
Why is Bas getting in the middle of all this? Sounds like he's connected to both sides (friends with everyone involved) yet he sure is airing out Overeem's business. Seems to me he stay out of it all.
ksgbobo- November 16, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Who would win in a bar fight between Bas and Horsemeat? I think Bas has this after all the instructional videos he made. It would be embarrasing if he lost in a bar fight.
Boo- November 16, 2011 at 12:43 pm
He does have a point of Ubereem getting lucky during the K-1 Finals.

I think Saki would have ate him alive if his arm wasn't broken in half.
DangadaDang- November 16, 2011 at 12:28 pm
reference win.
El Guapo- November 16, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Look out behind you, Sagat! Balrog looks pissed off!
AnimalMother- November 16, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Definitely biased. To say he's unbiased is biased.
jimbonics- November 16, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Next time, on General Hospital...
DangadaDang- November 16, 2011 at 12:01 pm
That is a Caption Contest worthy photo if I've ever seen one.