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Bas Rutten Says Kimbo Should Have Lost, But Defends Overall Performance

(Yeah, that’s a sword. Just another day for Bas.)

Kimbo Slice‘s trainer and respected elder statesman of MMA Bas Rutten has posted a message to his website evaluating Slice’s performance on Saturday night and addressing some of the more controversial moments of the bout. As usual, Rutten offers a fair perspective even as a staunch Kimbo ally, but perhaps most interesting is this P.S. at the end of his remarks:

P.S. People ask me if the fight should have been stopped at the end in the second round, I say YES because those are the rules, it should have been stopped because Kimbo didn’t do anything to improve his situation. But I think what made the ref NOT do it was the fact that Kimbo was giving his thumbs up the whole time to let the referee know that he was OK.
This was the refs decission, not Kimbo’s.

There you have it. Even Rutten believes that the fight should have been stopped. His reasoning that the “thumbs up” prevented it is a little shaky. I wonder, which trapped arm was Kimbo using to give that thumbs up? Might it not have been a better idea to use said arm for defending his face?

Regardless, Rutten makes several good points about Kimbo’s evolution as a fighter, and doesn’t shy away from pointing out the numerous mistakes he made in the fight, particularly once he got tired.

I think this fight is going to be very good for Kimbo in the future. When you start fighting and competing and you never went the distance in a fight you never know what “getting really tired” means.

Ask any fighter on the planet if they fought more than 1 round when they fought their first couple of fights, how they felt. They will tell you that they thought they were in great shape but got tired really fast.

This, too, is a fair point. Anyone who’s done any type of competitive fighting can tell you that it’s very difficult to train for the way the adrenaline rush can sap your energy, and it’s possible that this is a mark of Kimbo’s inexperience. Of course, if we’re going to argue that he should get some slack for being inexperienced, it’s hard not to then conclude that he had no place fighting in the main event of a card as monumental as this one.

Rutten also promises that Kimbo will learn from these mistakes for his next time out:

All the things that went wrong or he didn’t do, we DID train for, but like I said, training and fighting are two different things. I know him and when he sees the mistakes that he made and realizes that he probably would have won the fight when he would have closed his guard in round number two so that Thompson couldn’t have had escaped his guillotine choke, he’s not going to be happy and is going to make sure it won’t happen again, the same counts for the few little other mistakes he made, he will see them himself, and never make them again.

They say “fatigue makes cowards out of man”, well, that wasn’t the case with Kimbo, he kept on fighting, his technique got less because of it and people will now judge him on that, but that’s OK, he will be a different kind of animal next time.

The question is, who will that different animal be fighting? Gary Shaw doesn’t want to match him up against Brett Rogers for some reason, which is odd considering that before this weekend Shaw’s son Jared said that the winner of the Rogers-Murphy bout would likely enter the “Kimbo Slice sweepstakes”.

Guess that means the sweepstakes is still ongoing. All I know is, if Butterbean wins I am going to be sooooo pissed.

(Props: Five Ounces of Pain)


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Anonymous- March 1, 2009 at 4:30 pm
what up wit the sword bas?
Anonymous- June 5, 2008 at 1:08 pm
You forgot that after round 2 Kimbo was so tired and out of it 3 corner men literally lifted him back to his corner. All of this happend in the space of 20-30 sec's way longer than any round stopage i've ever seen.
Go Red Bears- June 4, 2008 at 5:11 pm
I'd like to point out a few things.

1) It seems Kimbo got favorable treatment. other fights were stopped very early. In fact, Kimbo's fight was stopped early, but only when it favored Kimbo. You could argue either way that it should have called in the second, but you can also argue that it shouldn't have been called in the thrid -at least not that quickly. Both were borderline decisions and both went Kimbo's way. I'm just saying, it's a coincidence.

2) Bas is the man

3) Just to play devil's advocate, I think it is important to note that Thompson didnt seem to be doing much damage with those elbows. Yes, he landed about 20 unanswered blows and that's reason enough to call a fight. But considering that Kimbo didnt have a blemish on him, even after all those elbows, speaks pretty loudly that those blows were more for show than anything else.
Nick B- June 3, 2008 at 1:16 pm
I'd like to steer away from the hate in an attempt to actually sound semi-logical in my argument.

One, should Elite XC have Kimbo headlining? No. But if he brings in major brand recognition to the show, he does deserve a shot to fight. Most MMA purists realize that he's a rookie. He does have very powerful striking, but a marginal ground game thus far. He's had 3 (4) pro fights now guys...come on, how is he supposed to learn top level ground technique in 4 fights? There are guys who have been in MMA for years that have no idea what they are doing outside of a guard or a few submission attempts. (I'm sure they do know, but they dont ever use it, thats my point)

Kimbo displayed some pretty surprising moves for a guy his size and experience in round 1, and had he more experience he would have stopped the fight in round two like Bas said. Nobody is jumping on Gina Carano for not doing shit on the ground and losing a gogoplata after having it locked in. In fact she didn't do ANYTHING on the ground and gassed out royally, but she isn't Kimbo, so she gets a bye. I would argue that she's as hyped as being the savior of womens mma as kimbo is.

Okay two. Kimbo DOES put asses in seats. You have to go with your money bet, and he he does bring a lot of interest in. Maybe Shaw is hand picking opponents. I think we all know he is. Still, even if he gets more popular, they also probably realize that he will draw in a crowd of internet experts such as some of the posters here who want to see him lose. It's win-win for a while.

I don't believe he should have lost for the main purpose that Thompson didnt do anything at all to hurt kimbo in that ground exchange. By the rules, maybe. If you look at the overall aspect though, Thompson really never hurt him in the entire fight. Thompson, however, was in honest trouble at least 3-5 times. If Kimbo had better cardio, this conversation wouldnt even be happening as he probably would have KO'ed Thompson mid second round instead of falling into a weak takedown attempt. Ah well, Ive rambled long enough.
wake up bas- June 3, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Kimbo inexperienced??? he has felt the adrenaline dump that other fighters feel lets not forget all of the unsanctioned "backyard fights". You can't say that Kimbo has never experienced that anyone who has been in a street fight that is not a one sided pummeling has felt the same dump. I think that is a lame ass cop out. Tito would smoke Kimbo just because he has fought at that level. I think my point is proven by the track record (overall not the few) of Pride fighters when they have stepped into the octagon. Lets face it the UFC is the best brand out there, there is no better set of skilled fighters on the planet. I say place Kimbo in the ring with one of the TUF heavyweights he'll get demolished - see Kimbo vs Gannon
Warcraft- June 3, 2008 at 7:55 am
Jeffs Right 200 not 100 but 200% right

James you start out making sense about kimbos inexperiance but then you go on about how he would kill Tito Ortiz.
I want some of what you are smoking cause its fucking insane. Tito Ortiz would bury Kimbo outside hes backyard along with the other bums he probly kills on hes morning jog.
Jeff- June 3, 2008 at 6:10 am
I'd bet an equal amount of dollars to an equal amount of donuts that Tito Ortiz would fucking demolish Kimbo.

Fun thread on this topic:
James- June 3, 2008 at 3:43 am
i just want to say i understand that kimbo shouldn't headline an event, but people act like the ufc guys fight top ranked opponents in their first fights. You usually dont hear about someone until their tenth fight. give kimbo six more fights and he will be a whole lot better. He landed the only good shots in the fight against thompson. Yes he was tired but no he was not hurt. I'll bet dollars to donuts he would kill tito ortiz. that guy is a punk and hasn't won a fight in years. The UFC is king but they are all about the pay per view. id watch kimbo for free any day over paying fifty dollars for pampered tv stars aka the UFC.
Jeff- June 3, 2008 at 3:18 am
jeffs an idiot. Says:

June 3rd, 2008 at 2:27 pm
You are an idiot sir. It’s not like Bas makes killers from day one, or neccesarily at all. Can you imagine the number of fighters Bas trains that just aren’t good enough? That’s just the way it is. Just because a promoter latches on to a fighter than isn’t all theyre hyped up to be that doesnt make Bas a sellout.

I can imagine one fighter that Bas trains that isn't good enough, Kimbo Slice.
Jamie- June 3, 2008 at 1:17 am
Who did the most damage in that fight? Kimbo. Did Thompson do any damage while on top of Kimbo? No. Thumbs up cause he wasn't hurt, but horrible conditioning so he couldn't get up. There is no way Thompson did more damage than Kimbo in that fight. And in a fight thats the only thing that matters. I'm baffled that everyone thinks Kimbo should have lost.
shutupandfight- June 3, 2008 at 12:41 am
i just watched the vid...i clearly saw Kimbo pull a shank from his beard and stab Thompson in his BAD ear. now last i knew pulling a shank from one's illegally sported beard is a no no according to MMA hate...jussayin.
Buttflies- June 2, 2008 at 9:29 pm
GetAlife: of course your simple brain had to turn my name into something gay. Instead of writing something funny to shut me up, you shit your pants and made a fool of yourself.
BIG CHRIS- June 2, 2008 at 8:53 pm
@GettoLife- after everything you have said I think we can all agree on one thing....You sir are Please go put some sort of deadly poison in your next meal and then eat the whole thing.....
Warcraft- June 2, 2008 at 8:50 pm
I love trolls. They are so funny and misguided keep it up.
FYI GaryShaw needs hes track suit washed again you sorry EliteXC employee.

Back to Kimbos fixed fight he couldn't KO "glass jaw" Thompson and that was suppose to be kimbo all mighty advantage hes iron fists LMAO.

So kimbo showed weak stand-up and below rookie level ground-skill. Cardio what Cardio he doesn't look like he even knows what stamina is.

Bas is at least still a honest MMA guy.
I think Bas either needs to up his training to make kimbo a real MMA fighter or stop training him all together.
How do you get paided more then most legit MMA fighters but posses none of there talents and heart.
GetALife- June 2, 2008 at 8:37 pm
P.S. Buttlfies (what kinda name is fuckin buttflies anyway), tell your boyfriend to wrap it next time and maybe things like that won't happen to your butt! Do you want the haterade delivered to your home or work adress! Hope the buttflies clear up soon! I think they have antibiotics for stuff like that at the local std clinic!
GetALife- June 2, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Hahahahahahahahahahaha! I wasn't even gonna respond cause I realize how dilusional all of the video games and endless hours on the interenet really mad you guy's! But you all just proved my point! Rawt in "no pussy ever" Hell fuckers!
HAHAHAHAH- June 2, 2008 at 8:31 pm
GetALife: YOU ARE A JOKE. Roll over and die, slowly.
jeffs an idiot.- June 2, 2008 at 8:27 pm
You are an idiot sir. It's not like Bas makes killers from day one, or neccesarily at all. Can you imagine the number of fighters Bas trains that just aren't good enough? That's just the way it is. Just because a promoter latches on to a fighter than isn't all theyre hyped up to be that doesnt make Bas a sellout.
Buttflies- June 2, 2008 at 8:16 pm
GetAlife: kimbo is a bum. this guy makes a ton of money just because he was beating up bums in his backyard and filming it with his stolen videocamera. your right he is an animal. a big ape. now hes beating up bums on tv..if you seriously think this guy deserves all the money and fame your wrong..and retarded
Vrax- June 2, 2008 at 8:04 pm
So does trolling the comments section of CagePotato qualify as "getting a life"?
GetALife- June 2, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Really! Call Gary Shaw up, maybe you can headline the next SNF show on CBS! You better get off the pcp first though and come back to reality! What a looser! I can't stand all you little ineternet geeks who watch a few fights and think their an expert in Jiu-Jitsu or Muay Thai! Snap out of it dickhead!
Jeff- June 2, 2008 at 7:47 pm
I would fuck Kimbo up.
GetALife- June 2, 2008 at 6:50 pm
You all need to get a life, and some experience behind your baseless statements. When have any of you been in a real fight? Kimbo is an animal and once he get's his mind and his body on the same page and gains more experience he will be a force to be reckoned with! I like to see anyone of you little chumps sitting behind your computers get in the ring with "Kimbo's pregnant pigme aunt"! You probably wouldn't last 20 seconds!
arronfalkner- June 2, 2008 at 6:45 pm
butterbean cant fight the flies off his ass...and doesnt deserve to even be fightin...
Tom Cruise's lover- June 2, 2008 at 6:23 pm
I loved Bas when he used to wear that tight red bikini brief of his with his knee high red boots and that shiny pate of his.

Go Bas Go!!