
(Yeah, that’s a sword. Just another day for Bas.)
Kimbo Slice‘s trainer and respected elder statesman of MMA Bas Rutten has posted a message to his website evaluating Slice’s performance on Saturday night and addressing some of the more controversial moments of the bout. As usual, Rutten offers a fair perspective even as a staunch Kimbo ally, but perhaps most interesting is this P.S. at the end of his remarks:
P.S. People ask me if the fight should have been stopped at the end in the second round, I say YES because those are the rules, it should have been stopped because Kimbo didn’t do anything to improve his situation. But I think what made the ref NOT do it was the fact that Kimbo was giving his thumbs up the whole time to let the referee know that he was OK.
This was the refs decission, not Kimbo’s.
There you have it. Even Rutten believes that the fight should have been stopped. His reasoning that the “thumbs up” prevented it is a little shaky. I wonder, which trapped arm was Kimbo using to give that thumbs up? Might it not have been a better idea to use said arm for defending his face?
Regardless, Rutten makes several good points about Kimbo’s evolution as a fighter, and doesn’t shy away from pointing out the numerous mistakes he made in the fight, particularly once he got tired.
I think this fight is going to be very good for Kimbo in the future. When you start fighting and competing and you never went the distance in a fight you never know what “getting really tired” means.
Ask any fighter on the planet if they fought more than 1 round when they fought their first couple of fights, how they felt. They will tell you that they thought they were in great shape but got tired really fast.
This, too, is a fair point. Anyone who’s done any type of competitive fighting can tell you that it’s very difficult to train for the way the adrenaline rush can sap your energy, and it’s possible that this is a mark of Kimbo’s inexperience. Of course, if we’re going to argue that he should get some slack for being inexperienced, it’s hard not to then conclude that he had no place fighting in the main event of a card as monumental as this one.
Rutten also promises that Kimbo will learn from these mistakes for his next time out:
All the things that went wrong or he didn’t do, we DID train for, but like I said, training and fighting are two different things. I know him and when he sees the mistakes that he made and realizes that he probably would have won the fight when he would have closed his guard in round number two so that Thompson couldn’t have had escaped his guillotine choke, he’s not going to be happy and is going to make sure it won’t happen again, the same counts for the few little other mistakes he made, he will see them himself, and never make them again.
They say “fatigue makes cowards out of man”, well, that wasn’t the case with Kimbo, he kept on fighting, his technique got less because of it and people will now judge him on that, but that’s OK, he will be a different kind of animal next time.
The question is, who will that different animal be fighting? Gary Shaw doesn’t want to match him up against Brett Rogers for some reason, which is odd considering that before this weekend Shaw’s son Jared said that the winner of the Rogers-Murphy bout would likely enter the “Kimbo Slice sweepstakes”.
Guess that means the sweepstakes is still ongoing. All I know is, if Butterbean wins I am going to be sooooo pissed.
(Props: Five Ounces of Pain)








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comments1) It seems Kimbo got favorable treatment. other fights were stopped very early. In fact, Kimbo's fight was stopped early, but only when it favored Kimbo. You could argue either way that it should have called in the second, but you can also argue that it shouldn't have been called in the thrid -at least not that quickly. Both were borderline decisions and both went Kimbo's way. I'm just saying, it's a coincidence.
2) Bas is the man
3) Just to play devil's advocate, I think it is important to note that Thompson didnt seem to be doing much damage with those elbows. Yes, he landed about 20 unanswered blows and that's reason enough to call a fight. But considering that Kimbo didnt have a blemish on him, even after all those elbows, speaks pretty loudly that those blows were more for show than anything else.
One, should Elite XC have Kimbo headlining? No. But if he brings in major brand recognition to the show, he does deserve a shot to fight. Most MMA purists realize that he's a rookie. He does have very powerful striking, but a marginal ground game thus far. He's had 3 (4) pro fights now guys...come on, how is he supposed to learn top level ground technique in 4 fights? There are guys who have been in MMA for years that have no idea what they are doing outside of a guard or a few submission attempts. (I'm sure they do know, but they dont ever use it, thats my point)
Kimbo displayed some pretty surprising moves for a guy his size and experience in round 1, and had he more experience he would have stopped the fight in round two like Bas said. Nobody is jumping on Gina Carano for not doing shit on the ground and losing a gogoplata after having it locked in. In fact she didn't do ANYTHING on the ground and gassed out royally, but she isn't Kimbo, so she gets a bye. I would argue that she's as hyped as being the savior of womens mma as kimbo is.
Okay two. Kimbo DOES put asses in seats. You have to go with your money bet, and he he does bring a lot of interest in. Maybe Shaw is hand picking opponents. I think we all know he is. Still, even if he gets more popular, they also probably realize that he will draw in a crowd of internet experts such as some of the posters here who want to see him lose. It's win-win for a while.
I don't believe he should have lost for the main purpose that Thompson didnt do anything at all to hurt kimbo in that ground exchange. By the rules, maybe. If you look at the overall aspect though, Thompson really never hurt him in the entire fight. Thompson, however, was in honest trouble at least 3-5 times. If Kimbo had better cardio, this conversation wouldnt even be happening as he probably would have KO'ed Thompson mid second round instead of falling into a weak takedown attempt. Ah well, Ive rambled long enough.
James you start out making sense about kimbos inexperiance but then you go on about how he would kill Tito Ortiz.
I want some of what you are smoking cause its fucking insane. Tito Ortiz would bury Kimbo outside hes backyard along with the other bums he probly kills on hes morning jog.
Fun thread on this topic: http://forums.cagepotato.com/fight-soup/127-list-people-could-beat-kimbo-slice.html
June 3rd, 2008 at 2:27 pm
You are an idiot sir. It’s not like Bas makes killers from day one, or neccesarily at all. Can you imagine the number of fighters Bas trains that just aren’t good enough? That’s just the way it is. Just because a promoter latches on to a fighter than isn’t all theyre hyped up to be that doesnt make Bas a sellout.
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I can imagine one fighter that Bas trains that isn't good enough, Kimbo Slice.
FYI GaryShaw needs hes track suit washed again you sorry EliteXC employee.
Back to Kimbos fixed fight he couldn't KO "glass jaw" Thompson and that was suppose to be kimbo all mighty advantage hes iron fists LMAO.
So kimbo showed weak stand-up and below rookie level ground-skill. Cardio what Cardio he doesn't look like he even knows what stamina is.
Bas is at least still a honest MMA guy.
I think Bas either needs to up his training to make kimbo a real MMA fighter or stop training him all together.
How do you get paided more then most legit MMA fighters but posses none of there talents and heart.
Yummy!
Go Bas Go!!
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