Radach seems like a guy that would shit his pants because he wasn't told were the bathrooms were. Also his fight reminded me of the Rocky movies, you know where nobody blocks anything and both fighters take turns almost being knocked out.

^^^

From a marketing standpoint, HELL YES! They hyped him as the best fighter they had. They claimed he "had it". They claimed he was the Iron Mike of our generation (read old interviews with the cokehead that runs it). Hell, when he lost, the one announcer deemed it "The greatest upset in the history of MMA" (which made me laugh while rolling my eyes).

To continue my XFL comparison from earlier: Not only did Vince McMahon foolishly market his promotion as "Football without Rules" as I've already discussed, he foolishly marketed Rod "He Hate Me" Smart the way EXC marketed Kimbo. He said he was the best back he's ever seen, that he'd change the way we viewed football; etc. The problem with this was, the general public focused only on him, and not their real talent (Tommy Maddox, etc. You'd be surprised who the XFL had). When "He Hate Me" had a mediocre first performance, the general public stopped watching, and there weren't enough true fans left to support the league. See where this is going?

The reason The Minnesota Vikings are successful with marketing Adrian Peterson the way that they do is because, quite frankly, he IS that fucking good and can consistantly produce. But Kimbo is a streetfighter out of his league. When you bait the public with how great Kimbo is, then show them all it takes is someone with decent skills who isn't light years past his prime (Ray Mercer, Tank) to beat him, they aren't going to stick around for your real talent. The XFL proved this.

It was interesting in that coked up Shaw interview (the post fight one, you've seen it 1,000x by now) how he immediately realized this, and tried to promote his real talent. The problem was, it was too little too late: The general public just wanted to listen to comments about Kimbo. Hell, Jim Rome has even been talking about EXC all week on his show, but hint: He didn't say shit about how great Gina is, he talked about what a farce Kimbo is, and the whole potential bonus scandal. At this point, the ONLY way I see EXC surviving is if they can get enough hardcore MMA fans to care about their real fighters. Only time will tell.

On that note, does anyone think that Kimbo's being exposed really "ruined' Elite XC? If anything now that he's been bumped to likely fighting the C rank semi-proers he should have been starting off on to begin with instead of 50 year old men.

You guys are being a little harsh, I feel. It's a free show, and I was impressed with the last one. Ninja vs Radach was an awesome fight. Niggers.

Alvarez is the fucking bomb yo

Alvarez rocks, I can't wait to see him destroy diaz.

@ mayhem,

WOW. You said no real good fighters?
Man, I don't want to say it but, NO ONE would agree with you there.

Your statements comes off as someone who only watches the UFC if Lawler and Diaz are the only people you can mention out of those fighters.

@Joseph:

No its not a lopsided card.... just no real good fighters. Most if not all of Elite's fighters are B level or below...

Sorry but Nick runs his mouth to much Diaz and Robbie way over rated Lawler dont make for a must see card.

The Elite product is just poor quality all around, you watch that card will be either its last one or 2nd to last. The 2nd show they ran didnt have any name bigger that this next one and the ratings bombed.

@ Stainless

Nov 8th Card:

Lawler vs Villasenor
Diaz vs Alvarez
Lombard vs Smith
Feijao vs TBA
Kaufman vs Young

That seems lopsided and Star vs No Name?

I have to agree with 99% of what is being said here. EXC is going down... hard... They were out to make a quick buck bringing Kimbo to fight. The dream is over. They do not care about the fighters... Although the fights might not be rigged in paper... they are to an extent. Just look at the match ups they have. Star vs. No Name - Star vs. No Name. Every single fight is very one sided. They want every single fight to go a certain way... and be a KO Bloodbath. Its a joke. EXC will die just like Kimbo did.

@ Dr.
thank you

Thanks for the "proof" but all it proves is that EXC is a piece of shit organization that gives MMA a bad name.

Okay, I think people need a HISTORY LESSON AROUND HERE.

1) EliteXC was formed by Gary Shaw, a boxing promoter, who obviously is a big fan of KOs.

2) When EliteXC started, they were thinking about having a 30 sec clock running down when the fights are taken to the ground. If there was no action for 30 seconds, then the fight would be stood up. The point of why EliteXC has these rules are NOT because they are rigging fights, but because they want fights to be wars that end in KOs, because they initially thought that is what fans want. They were going to slowly introduce the ground game to people, because they felt they need to learn more about the ground game to appreciate it. This explains why there was NO ground fighters in the first CBS card.

3) This doesn't mean they DONT value a ground game. Wilson Reis (BW CHAMP) and Jake Shields(WW CHAMP) are two people that EliteXC heavily supports, and they are PURE ground fighters. Why EliteXC likes them is that they are EXCITING ground fighters. They go for sumissions NON STOP and don't just Lay And Pray.

4) When Scott Smith and Robbie Lawler finished their May 31st fight as a No Contest, Gary Shaw went up and announced that they were both getting paid for Winning Purses and Fight of The Night.

5) Every fighters contracts are different. EliteXC could only offer those bonuses to the Main Events. Also, depending on the contract, these "undisclosed bonuses" that even the UFC offers are not guaranteed for everyone. Randy Couture left the UFC due to "Undisclosed Bonuses" being handed to different fighters in the locker room, which are not reported to the commissions because they don't care about those things.

Hope you guys can do a bit of research before posting all this "proof" without any reasoning behind it.

To Niggajitsu:

The saddest part is, you're absolutely right. They don't appreciate MMA, and think that the general public want to see a glorified backyard wrestling league. They think that if they pump out bad fights with sub-par fighters, the public will find their form of MMA exciting because "it's people getting knocked out!!!!".

not only is their marketing horrible for the sport, but it's a horrible idea in general. The UFC almost went bankrupt when they employed this type of marketing. The XFL (You know, that football league you forgot about) went bankrupt after one season due to this. And if EXC has any common sense, they'll pull their heads out of their asses and realize the public is looking to watch a SPORT, that requires TECHNIQUE to be good at.

But on the bright side, I'm glad I picked EXC as my semester case study for my sports marketing class. 30-40 pages should be easy to fill with all the stupid moves they've made over the past few months, yet alone those two tough break they never planned on (Namely, Shamrock getting cut and Kimbo being exposed)

are you kidding me, the benji and ninja fight was the best of the night in my opinion, both came out hard and were swinging to kill...id like to see radach in the UFC to be honest but a fight with lawler doesnt sound to bad either all though i think benji would wear him out

Hmm, so Elite XC thinks submissions aren't important, and that real fighting is two jackasses trading blows until one gets knocked out, like a real life Rock 'Em Sock 'Em game.

Although I don't believe EXC for a minute, if it were true that did not offer bonuses for submission of the night becasue they do not think that it is an important part of an exciting fight, then they really don't truely appreciate MMA. Either way they look worse and worse with every comment. If you can't find a smooth transition into an armbar, triagle, rear naked choke, etc. exciting then you have no business running a MMA organization and should stick to doing coke and beating up prosititutes.