(Well, this sure didn’t help. Photo courtesy of UFC.com)
After my meager success at WEC 39, I decided to up my wagers just a little with the hopes of getting my profits into double digits following UFC 96. The results were…mixed. Here’s how I did, in case you’re keeping score of my finances at home.
Bet: $50 on Shane Carwin at +140
Result: Won $70 profit
What I Learned: Plenty of you told me I was crazy for betting on a guy who was undefeated against bunch of scrubs. One of you even claimed Gabriel Gonzaga would have beat Randy Couture if not for a headbutt. But I went with my gut and profited. So there. Who’s the jackass now? You are. You’re the jackass. I’m the guy with an extra seventy bucks in my pocket. I’ll be at the strip club if you need me.
Bet: $20 on Jason Day at +160
Result: Lost…badly
What I Learned: I was essentially betting against Kendall Grove here, because when has he looked impressive lately? The answer to that question is, on Saturday night when he dropped Jason Day and then elbowed him until Day’s eyes went white. Maybe betting against a guy who knows he has to win or get fired isn’t such a good idea after all.
Bet: $20 parlay on Carwin + Day + Hamill + Vera
Result: Day screwed me.
What I Learned: Goddamn Jason Day. He’s the only thing that stopped me from winning $211.24. This is my second straight parlay bet ruined by one bad pick. Though I guess that’s why the parlay is both profitable and risky. I’ve got to start playing these a little more conservatively. Maybe I shouldn’t be making these bets after drinking all day.
Net Result: Started with $90, ended with $80. Thanks, Jason. That’s the last time I put my faith in a Canadian whose initials are not GSP. And I felt so good for calling the Carwin fight. I’ve just got to put this behind me and come back strong for the next event. In the meantime, can I borrow twenty bucks?
Edit: Wow. For those of you still arguing over this, I went back and checked by BetUS numbers (which is harder than it sounds because by now there’s tons of decimals and odd number from a year and a half of MMA bets) and I did come out $30 ahead. Still with $80, but only if you consider $50 as the starting point. In other words, I’m better at this than previously thought, Jason Day notwithstanding. Still just as bad as previously thought when it comes to math, though. Now the question is, what to do with that extra thirty bucks? Let it ride. That’s what. Word.
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Comments
Mon, 03/09/09 - 04:39
FIRST!!!!!!!!
Mon, 03/09/09 - 04:40
Ummmm Wouldnt it be started with 90 ended with 120 ?
Mon, 03/09/09 - 04:44
Thats what I thought. The $50 bet with the $70 in profit = $120
Mon, 03/09/09 - 04:45
"I’m the guy with an extra seventy bucks in my pocket. I’ll be at the strip club if you need me..." with War Machine?
Mon, 03/09/09 - 04:49
He meant to say he won $70 for a profit of $20 - I think
Mon, 03/09/09 - 04:51
he bet $50 and got $70 back this is including his $50 wager, of course with writing $70 profit it seems confusing or maybe we're all wrong? I dont get how he ended with $80, maybe there was something to do with getting most of the guys right on the parlay? Seriously though, betting against Grove wasn't a bad choice, unless you were betting on Jason Day.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 04:53
is everyone here new? he "won" 120 on the carwin fight, including the 50 he put down, then he lost 20+20 cuz of Jason Day. 120 -20 - 20 = 80, 10 less than 90!
Mon, 03/09/09 - 04:54
carwin was the underdog! you dont get 70 back on a 50 bet on an underdog, you get 120 (with these odds). I hope you guys arent out there gambling!
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:00
At least you didn't put Mark Munoz in a parlay like I did. Dammmmnnnn that was a fucking knockout! Screwed me!!!
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:03
Brettzky, maybe you should check your math before you call other people idiots. Idiot. He put down $90 in bets. He walked out with $120. $30 in profit. You're counting the lost $40 twice.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:04
High school failed this country hard.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:10
Brettzkys right
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:12
Yall dumbasses probably have IQ's of 190 or some shit. retards.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:16
Yo! What the fuck is a UFC?
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:18
Brettzky is right...idiot times 2
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:23
I don't get the $80 either, shouldn't it be $70?
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:24
WTF. Seriously, are Mark Munoz and Pete Sell being allowed to PAKO(post after knockout) on here. JESUS, its simple math you morons. He gets $120 back from the Carwin win($50 he bet plus $70 for being right that Corwin is a beast). He then lost $20 beating that Day face was strong enough to break Grove's hands (it wasn't). So now he is at $100. Then he lost another $20 putting Day in that Parlay bet(don't know why he didn't throw rampage in there instead). So that makes a total of $80 (and i used alot of ()).
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:24
No you lay down $50 with hopes of winning an additional $70..the $50 is just a front incase you lose. So technically when he wins he gets his $50 with another $70
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:25
Alright, here's the final word on the $. At the beginning of the night three bets were placed: (1) $50 (2) $20 (3) $20 - so, $90 invested At the end of the night: (1) bet won with a $70 profit, so $120 (2) bet lost, $0 (3) bet lost, $0 At the end of the night - $120 returned. So the writer is mistaken - he started with $90 and ended with $120, for a $30 profit on the night.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:26
bet 1: $50 turned into $120 total bet 2: $20 lost bet = lost his $20 bet 3: $20 lost bet = lost his $20 So what does 120 - 20 - 20 = ??? $80, morons. I hope the people in New York are not reading this, and deduce that MMA fans are a bunch of retards. Just some of us. I would really love to see it sanctioned in NYC.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:27
No, Brettzky is wrong and is indeed an idiot. Though he may be attempting to post multiple times from different nicknames to try and save face. Look, the math is really, really simple. He put down $90 in bets ($50 + $20 +$20). He walked away with $120 from the Carwin bet. That means he ends up with $120, or a net gain of $30.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:30
"bet 1: $50 turned into $120 total bet 2: $20 lost bet = lost his $20 bet 3: $20 lost bet = lost his $20 So what does 120 - 20 - 20 = ??? $80, morons." You're just making yourself look stupid. He put down $90 in bets. After the fights, they pay him back $120. At this point he has already spent the $90. $50 on the first bet and $40 on the other two. He already paid for those bets. So he takes his $120 and walks away $30 richer.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:31
O god. $50 on Carwin $20 on Day $20 Parlay $90 in bets +$70 win on Carwin = $160 -$20 lost on day -$20 lost on Parlay Ends up with $120 Go back to the booth Ben They screwed you.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:32
whoa, i started a chain reaction with my bet by by analysis.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:33
*bet by bet
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:35
He netted $30 profit, u guys are idiots if u can't see that. bet 50 win 70 = 120 bet 20 win 0 = 0 bet 20 win 0 = 0 120 + 0 + 0 = 120 Started with $90 and ended the night with $120, that's a $30 profit. He's probably still recovering from the weekend that's why his math is off.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:40
So he got his $20 back on the bets he lost?
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:42
all this math made my asshole pucker more than normal.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:42
"So he got his $20 back on the bets he lost?" No. Go back to elementary school.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:44
MKO can't be serious! IQs of 190?! That is beyond genius you redneck moron. The dude won on Carwin and lost on the parlay. I am sure he knows how much money he ultimately won or lost so who really cares about the math if one is not at work or in school?!
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:44
I have a feeling that these Betting Post-Mordem threads are going to get progressively worse. Right now it's only $20 here and $20 there but you wait and see. Six months from now you'll be blogging about how Hermes Franca really "busted your balls" at Ultimate Fight Night 23 or whatever, and how you don't have enough money to pay rent now. Then we'll see one of your kidneys up on Ebay and the site will go down for a few weeks while you get some toes re-attached. Some pictures will surface of you in Atlantic City, broke and loaded, wearing a coat you found in a trash can. Can't wait for the next one.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:45
you guys are forgetting the fact that even though he walked away from the booth with $120, the stripper got $40 caught in her g-string. $120 - 40 = 80, so the Ben's math works out.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:45
You see, he started with $50 dollar bet on Carwin At +120 he wins $70 after he kicks some upstairs to sonny he has $110. After this he loses 20 on parlay 20 on day he has $70. He puts this into a bond with a 5.7% interest rate compounded quarterly for 7 years. Now he has $142.54 He gained 20 dollars from the WEC event So he has $162.54 Fuckin' retards.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:47
There is so much math in this thread its ridiculous. This is middle school math at best. I'm in calculus, faggots.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:55
Point is that he says he started with $90 and ended with $80, which implies he lost $10 but he won $30 overall. After paying off the two loses he had of $20 each, he ends up with $80 which should only be compared with the $50 bet because his profits went to pay of the lost bets, and the difference is a $30 profit.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 05:56
Motherfuckers as good at picking up sarcasm as yall are at simple math.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 06:08
FIRST!!!
Mon, 03/09/09 - 06:09
"I have a feeling that these Betting Post-Mordem threads are going to get progressively worse. Right now it's only $20 here and $20 there but you wait and see. Six months from now you'll be blogging about how Hermes Franca really "busted your balls" at Ultimate Fight Night 23 or whatever, and how you don't have enough money to pay rent now. Then we'll see one of your kidneys up on Ebay and the site will go down for a few weeks while you get some toes re-attached. Some pictures will surface of you in Atlantic City, broke and loaded, wearing a coat you found in a trash can. Can't wait for the next one." good call- funny shit! the only thing funnier in this thread is peoples math problems. he does actually end up +30 on the night ;)
Mon, 03/09/09 - 06:21
Okay, I'll be the first to admit I'm a dumbfuck. I don't know how I missed that but my defense is I was out of pot. Now that I'm high (And read Therail1's post) I got it. $50 Carwin $20 Day $20 Parlay = $90 Started with $120 $50+$70 Carwin $-20 Day $-20 Parlay = $80 Ended with $-10 Total
Mon, 03/09/09 - 06:28
Of goddamn it. I really am bad at math. Told you I was a dumbfuck..... Where's my fucking Vap? I need one of those tests Rogan was talking about. Lick it and be like "Oh goddamn, I'm a fucking moron."
Mon, 03/09/09 - 06:32
That is the most unbelievable thread i have read in a really long time if you don't know anything about betting quit reading about it you just make yourself look stupid. If you are confused about the +140 that means if you bet 100.00 you win 140.00 or if you lose you lose 100.00 if it was -140 you would have to bet 140.00 to make 100.00 so since he only bet 50.00 on a +140 bet he won 70.00 thank you that is the only lesson for the night
Mon, 03/09/09 - 06:39
wow......
Mon, 03/09/09 - 06:41
No one mentioned anything about the meaning of +140 or - 140, so your lesson for the night isn't needed.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 06:48
Let me make this simple. He won $70 and lost $40. 70-40=30 He should have been given $120 after he gave them $90. If you don't understand you should never bet on anything
Mon, 03/09/09 - 06:50
wow is right i think i'm 5 points dumber just for having sat here and read all that
Mon, 03/09/09 - 06:53
Apparently most of this website needs to go back to fucking elementary school. 50 on Carwin he won 70 = 120 He then put 20 on Day and lost = 120-20= 100 He had 20 on the parlay = 100-20 = 80 How the hell do you calculate that wrong. Munoz could do this math and he was kicked retarded.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 07:01
I feel like a tuxedo in a room of brown suits. Still, let's all take a long look in the mirror tonight.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 07:11
50 -> 120 20 -> 0 20 -> 0 90 -> 120 = 30 gain
Mon, 03/09/09 - 07:12
Man Ben you sure have some explaining to do tomorro morning! Just to summerise, He definitely made $30 profit with his bets. Now go throw that down on A.Silva for a profit of $5.40! It'll be almost like buying money!
Mon, 03/09/09 - 07:21
The 120-20-20 crowd is wrong, and I actually know why. When you minus out the two 20s, you're subtracting his bets, right? The problem is that you've only subtracted two of the three bets. If you subtract the last best (50), you reach his $30 profit. The other way (easier way) to do this math is to look at his entry money (90) and his exit money (120) as flat totals that are not affected by each other. 50+20+20 vs. 120+0+0. No matter which way you cook it, he's $30 up.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 07:21
I bet Ben is fucking laughing his ass off at all you idiots right now.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 07:23
Ben's math was wrong, though.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 07:25
an IQ of 190? that's worth 2 or 3 of the regulars here or like the equivalent of matt hughes' entire family tree
Mon, 03/09/09 - 07:27
i started with nothing i still gots me nothing
Mon, 03/09/09 - 07:33
You may have been right about Ganzaga, but at least I wasn't completely oblivious that powerbombs have happened in mma.. I wouldn't think it was a big deal if not for the fact that there have been 2 monumental ones that any average mma fan knows about: rampage/arona hughes/newton. You won 70 bucks but you lost my respect... and I know that is way more important to you than money ;)
Mon, 03/09/09 - 07:33
Holy shit, I knew I should check back here. Everyone who indignantly asserted that he ended with $80, thank you for making me laugh.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 07:35
50 + 25 - 12 + 4 = you are all sad and pathetic
Mon, 03/09/09 - 07:41
I was so wrong this time around...really really bad.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 08:06
Bunch of dip shits, he was up $70 then lost $40, he finished up $30. Its how much of their money you leave with that counts, not what you started with. Bunch of dip shits.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 08:07
"if you don't know anything about betting quit reading about it you just make yourself look stupid" Umm if you don't know anything about betting, shouldn't you read about it to learn? Stop beig a jackass, and that's not a lesson, it's a fact of life.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 08:33
I thought my comment was dumb, then I read the rest. Good god who gives a shit.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 08:53
Can't start from $90 and walk out with only $80 under the given circumstances unless $40 was spent somewhere else. Ben must be a lightweight if he only drank $40 worth of beer. In any case you are all right. Depending on how much he started with only changes how much he walks out with. In either case he's up $30 at the end of the night. $$ in pocket - Carwin bet + money back from casino - Day bet - parlay bet Starts with $50: $50 - $50 + $120 – $20 – $20 = $80 at end of night and he has $30 profit. Starts with $90: $90 - $50 + $120 – $20 – $20 = $120 at end of night and he has $30 profit.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 09:17
REALLY? Come on potatonation, REALLY. You put a bet in and your money isn't taken, REALLY? You make a bet for $50 and win $70 with said bet you get $120. You make a bet for $20 you lose that money. Make a parlay for $20 you lose that money too. Therefore you won ONE BET FOR $120 and the you lose 2 bets for $20 each, which gives you $80 total. REALLY!?!?!? I got a stone guy to understand, maybe you all you net $120 guys should smoke some kind and understand. One more time. +120 - 20 - 20 -------- Net $80 REALLY?!?!?!?!***(copyright Seth Meyers and SNL)
Mon, 03/09/09 - 09:31
this is why i love this web site for real its not just a bunch of news its actualy entertaining I think you should go for more money next time man lol
Mon, 03/09/09 - 09:40
You idiots! i have to come back from my tomb to tell you that Ben was testing your pathetic brains by deceiving you with bad math. He ended up with 120$ in his pocket, with a net profit of 30 bucks. Now, talk MMA b/c you are terrible at simple math. Dr Einstein.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 10:02
If your talking about the stoned guy who understood as me that first comment isn't me. The comment right behind it is, because I do suck at math. My real opinion is that if he meant he won a total of $120 on the Carwin bet. Which is what I think it means. Then he made $30. But I'm not willing to back that up. When the math argument comes to metric weight or gross profit (and comes to the forums cause fuck this people posting as me shit) I'll chime back in.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 10:14
id put in my two cents but im going to take a shit instead
Mon, 03/09/09 - 10:24
By my calculations, I think it is safe to to say he walked away with no less than 3 copper pennies, half a loon, and four onions on a string.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 10:28
I'm so hard.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 10:32
you don't subtract the 40 from the end of the night total fuck nut
Mon, 03/09/09 - 10:34
Wow. All 37 of you deserve t shirts for this. You made me laugh my ass off and probably did the same for any bookmaker who reads this. Now I know how they make billions of dollars. You people would probably fall for the old looney toons "1 for you and 1 for me. 2 for you and 1-2 for me." You know, the old trick where he gives you only one extra everytime but he then gives himself the actual amount he's naming so you get 1 he gets 1 then you get another and he gets 2 more and so on? No you probably wouldn't know, but it's something to watch out for next time. You might want to get the calculator out on that one after you are done painting Tom Sawyer's fence.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 10:41
It is Net v. Gross. He grossed $120 cause at the end of the night he walked with $120 in his hand but if you look at his net(final total after losses), he ended up with $80.
Mon, 03/09/09 - 11:35
I cant believe how stupidly bad most of you are at maths! I could of worked out what he made when I was 5 years old! shocking..
Mon, 03/09/09 - 11:37
BRETTZKY I hope you're joking
Mon, 03/09/09 - 11:45
This is the best thread ever! I love how everyone thinks they can explain it better. Awesome!!!!
Tue, 03/10/09 - 12:11
Armfarmer. I like how your are calculating "power bombs" into your predictions. You sir are a scientist. Twice in two fights but throw them into the drunken brew of fight analysis.
Tue, 03/10/09 - 12:12
"twice in two fights" is redundant. I apologize.
Tue, 03/10/09 - 12:19
I can't believe Ben won 63 bucks! "I love math and do it for fun all the time and for fun." Good for him. Get in my MATH guard; I'll geo-plata-ometry your ass.
Tue, 03/10/09 - 12:38
Alright, so he bet $50 on Carwin, got $70 in profit, bet $20 on Day, lost miserably, then lost the $20 parlay. The odds were at +140 and +160 for Carwin and Day. He started at $90 and went home with $80, so if my calculations are correct.......... That equates to about eighty Washingtons that will be invested into multiple strippers' buttcracks this coming weekend.
Tue, 03/10/09 - 12:51
Nog yourself out got it right FIRST.
Tue, 03/10/09 - 02:08
Alright, so first, he spent half the night passed out/eyes closed and hands over ears and bet $50 on Carwin and grossed $120 off that one bet. Next, he went back in time and lost $20 on Day, followed by making a parlay of $20 including the man he already lost $20 on. Next ...? And finally, step 5, profit.
Tue, 03/10/09 - 03:14
Fuck, so many stupid people. He bet 50+20+20 = 90 (easy right) He won 120 on carwin (his original 50 + 70) Why would they take away another 40 if you already did at the start 120 - 90 = 30 120 gross 30 net profit seriously think about it a little, if he bets twenty, he doesnt get it back, no shit, why would that get taken of his gross amount twice
Tue, 03/10/09 - 04:38
Steve Addict, If you look at the play by play cagepotato did of the fights there is a part where they talk about the ufc video game commercial and say that it shows page powerbombing jardine. Then they said they didn't know that ever happened in mma. Just taking a shot at them for saying something dumb because they were dead on with the Carwin prediction that I disagreed with. Guess you had to be there...
Tue, 03/10/09 - 05:12
math is fun.
Tue, 03/10/09 - 05:24
Jesus christ. He lost the 40 bucks on his 4 fight parlay and Grove fight. He made 70 dollars on a 50 dollar bet getting his 50 back which equals 120. 120 dollars minus the lost 40 = 80. God I hope you guys aren't from America, you make us look retarded.
Tue, 03/10/09 - 05:33
It's always amusing to watch MMA fans do math. Do I think I'm smart enough to do the math? No. But I'm smarter than you, because I knew my limitations and didn't try. You know what they say: Better to let people think you're a fool than to open your mouth and prove them right.
Tue, 03/10/09 - 06:18
CORRECT: -50-20-20+50+70 = 30 Reasoning: Dished out 50, 20 and 20, got back his 50 and won 70 Note: 30 dollar profit WRONG: 50+70-20-20 = 80 Reasoning: Got his 50 back and won 70, lost his 20s Note: Getting his 50 back is not revenue, it just brings him back to 0 WRONG: 50+70 = 120 Reasoning: He won 70 on his 50 Note: The 50 is not revenue and he also lost 20 and 20
Tue, 03/10/09 - 06:25
Are we seriously gonna argue about Ben's mathematical betting equation?! HOLY SHIT! WHAT HAVE WE BECOME?! ARE WE MMA FANS OR GEEKS AT THE NEXT MATH CONVENTION WAITING TO SEE WHO CAN SIGHT OUT THE MOST NUMBERS OF PI I shoulda put my money on Carwin=/ Damn
Tue, 03/10/09 - 06:26
MMAMATH RAR. The anonymous above me is correct.
Tue, 03/10/09 - 07:27
You can't lose money twice on the same fight you retards, unless you make two bets. If you bet twenty bucks and lose they don't come back and take another $20 outta you pocket. If you bet $20 bucks on a fight and lose you are out $20, not $40. All you "He walked away with $80" people I have some great ocean front property in Tennessee you guys should look at.
Tue, 03/10/09 - 07:31
who fucking cares what he won or lost? did you see the PPV? we are all winners!!
Tue, 03/10/09 - 07:38
Yeah.. saying he walked away with 80 is right except that 50 of it was his to being with so you can't add the 2 and say it's profit. I haven't been paying any attention to this argument I just read the last couple posts about it and based on those he made 30 dollars of profit. If you count the 50 he bet... which was already his to begin with.. then add the 30 and think that he made 80 profit then you are a dumbass. 30 dollars of profit- correct 80 dollars of profit- dumbass
Tue, 03/10/09 - 07:53
He gave 90 at the start of the night. He got back 120. What is the difference between those two numbers. I'm astonished at some of the logic used on this thread.
Tue, 03/10/09 - 08:05
No wonder why the U.S. is in such a shit hole right now...
Tue, 03/10/09 - 08:13
I'm an American and I figured it out in 30 seconds... I think the problem is a lot of the people that don't get it have never gambled on sports before. For those of us that have it's pretty f'ing simple. You don't count the money you put down, that's your money that you already had. Assuming the odds are dead even and you make a 50 dollar bet you win 50 dollars not 100. If you lose the bet you lose 50. Pretty simple stuff. It's like if you make a 20 dollar bet with a friend. If you win you don't hand him 20 bucks and then he hands you 40 and you're like "I won 40 bucks!" He just gives you a 20.
Tue, 03/10/09 - 08:17
In case it's not clear in the comment I made about him winning 70 near the top of the page, I was talking strictly about the Ganzaga/Carwin bet and nothing else. I didn't mean he won 70 profit for the night.
Tue, 03/10/09 - 08:33
LMFAO at this thread. For everyone who actually thinks $80 is correct, here is another way of looking at it: He had 3 completely independent bets: $50, $20, $20, a total of $90. 1) bets $50, profits $70, meaning return $120 HERE'S WHERE EVERYONE SCREWS UP He now has $120, $20, $20 to his name => $160 2) bets $20, loses $20, now has $140 3) bets $20, loses $20, now has $120 Final $120 - $90 = $30 profit This is just an alternative way of looking at what several other people said: ( 50 -> 120, 20 -> 0, 20 -> 0, 90 -> 120)
Tue, 03/10/09 - 08:43
You know, going back and reading the comments, I can only assume 98% of the people who said 80 were trolls.
Tue, 03/10/09 - 10:03
^ I wish it were so. But... I doubt it.
Wed, 03/11/09 - 10:01
100th
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"I'll be at the strip club." "Who's the jackass now?" In his own words.
Wed, 03/11/09 - 05:31
"Who's the jackass now....I'll be at the strip club if you need me." In his own words. LOL!!!!
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