(Ah, the good ol’ days. Photo courtesy of ESPN.)
In the last nine months, Anderson Silva has given us two title defenses marked by maddening stretches of inactivity, and fans have responded by giving him heaps of abuse. And the fact that he’s no longer considered the UFC’s thrilling golden boy who can do no wrong seems to have changed Silva in a fundamental way. Gone is the cheerful, lovable Spider, and in his place is a dude who has had it up here with the bullshit. Two examples, from recent interviews:
On the fans who booed during his recent fights: “At the end of the day, yeah, I’m there for the fans, but I’m the one who’s putting my body and my life in danger every time I step inside the Octagon. So, a lot of times when people aren’t as educated in this sport, it’s really hard for them to understand. I feel I went in there and did my job, and if people are booing, it’s from a lack of understanding of the sport, because I went out there and executed a good game plan, it was just unfortunate that my opponents didn’t fight back.”
On the UFC 104 title fight between Lyoto Machida and Mauricio Rua: "I’m not saying Shogun is not prepared but how long did Lyoto have to wait to get a title shot? The truth is Shogun [won two fights in a row], and how many fights did Machida have to do? It’s obvious something is up. I’m not here to talk bad words on anybody but life is made of chances and I said to our managers this fight shouldn’t happen. Shogun didn’t fight enough to deserve the belt. The thing is precious and if I was Lyoto I wouldn’t accept. He is a great champion and must be respected but this is my opinion."
Here’s the pitfall for any professional athlete when they reach a great level of success — forgetting that the sole purpose of your job is to entertain fans. Swinging a bat at a ball or throwing a ball into a hoop has no intrinsic value in itself, when removed from an arena full of people who are paying to see it. I worry that Anderson Silva is starting to fall prey to his own hype. A booing crowd is like a bad performance review from your boss; shape up or get lost. Insulting fans for not "understanding" the sport they’re watching isn’t exactly the way to get them back on your side.
And at what point did Silva start thinking that a champion should be able to refuse challengers who didn’t have to wait as long for a title shot? (Of course he has a point about Rua’s two-fight win streak, but if nobody else is ready to fight Machida at the moment, Shogun is a pretty solid stopgap solution.) Is this the Anderson Silva we can come to expect from now on? Is the hunger and humility gone for good?
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Wed, 07/29/09 - 07:40
"Shogun didn’t fight enough to deserve the belt." This is coming from the man that fought Chris Leben to get a title-shot? Hi pot, this is kettle.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 07:40
"Is this the Anderson Silva we can come to expect from now on? Is the hunger and humility gone for good?" Yes.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 07:40
Daaaaaayummmmm Gina! Spider is popping some shit. Maybe when you devestate all your opponents it's what fans are used to from you. And if you felt that champions should be able to refuse opponents the way you talk about Machida, then maybe you should have refused your last two. Shogun's got a great pedigree of fights the same way Machida has... yeah he crushed two old champs, but he's just a fill in because Sugar vs. Rampage will sell better than Rampage vs. Machida right now. And who's to say Shogun of old doesn't show up and kill Machida... Wait... Headstomps are still illegal right?
Wed, 07/29/09 - 07:41
"Hi pot, this is kettle." Hi pot. This is bong.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 07:42
hunger and humility is gone for good. yes. mmmm shallow and pedantic.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 07:46
We all know Anderson cant pull the same bullshit he did with Cote and Leites with Griffin so lets hope he gets back to his old ways.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 07:47
OBI with the ganj reference... When lil OBI and Mrs. OBI go to bed I know what you're doing now dude.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 07:50
As long as Anderson Silva acts (badly) like he is Bruce Lee (you are not even close dumbass) he is going to be booed. If he thinks it is because the fans don't understand the sport he is wrong, if it is because they don't understand HIM, then yeah I would say that is about right. And Silva needs to channel that anger to himself for being a lazy dickhead in the ring. he keeps talking retirement I say HURRY the fuck up.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 07:53
Griffin will be a great matchup for Silva. He is probably one of the few guys in the UFC that will have no problem taking spider's punches and not circle away like a little bitch.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 07:54
Joe Silva usually always does an awesome job setting up fights but i think when he picked Leites to fight Anderson that it was tailor made for that disaster, I think thats why they gave him Griffin this fight. Leites was scared as all hell of Anderson's stand up so he just layed on his ass and hoped he could catch a leg or something, and Silva isn't dumb enough to give the guy that. I totally see where he is saying he had a game plan he was trying to execute, i blame this mostly on Leites. In the Cote fight they were feeling each other out, it was for a few rounds but it was also a 5 round fight where you can do that, it isn't Silva's fault for Cote tearing his ACL or whatever it was.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 07:55
There are so many holes in Anderson's logic concerning Shogun. 1) Shogun did EARN his title shot... in 2005 he won the Pride Grand Prix and continued wrecking opponents well into '07. Lyoto has no such peg to hang his cap on. Granted, he had a win over Franklin and Bonnar in his past, but those were in sideshows, not Pride or the UFC. 2) As Karma has already pointed out, Anderson got a shot after beating Chris, freakin', Leben. 3) Lyoto's first 3 wins in the UFC were boring wins against bottom feeders like David Heath, Sam Hogar and Nak (granted, Nak is pretty good, but still)... if Lyoto wanted a shot sooner, he should have put those cans away. Instead he was a decision machine with no power to sell a PPV to the common fan. 4) This is Lyoto's first title defense. He is in absolutely no position to deny any comers or turn down any fights. Besides, Anderson signed on the dotted line to fight Cote and Thales... 5) Shogun wrecked Liddell with a devastating KO to get his title shot, just like Rashad did. Up until KO'ing Rashad, Lyoto had KO'd any big names. He KO'd Thiago, but how many guys watching the fight at Hooters know who Thiago Silva is? Whatever. This post is too long. I need to get back to work.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 07:57
Fans attach themselves to fighters as a whole. They like to watch, buy their stuff, wear their logos, etc. based on the fact that they like them. Silva's recently being an elitist ass and he's fast tracking himself to getting the Brock Lesnar treatment - it won't matter how dominant his performances are, when enough people don't like him for his attitude, he'll still get booed... or worse.... ignored. People like Wandy because he knows where his bread is buttered. He could lose his next 10 in a row, but his attitude will keep him a fan favorite. Being a good fighter will get people to start watching and paying attention. It's the shit you do once they're paying attention that'll make or break you.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 08:02
I partly blame the UFC for that last fight Silva was cocky and didn't do shit but that was a bad fight before it happened, nice when someone actually has the balls to talk shit about the UFC and their bullshit decisions. So They bring in there goldenboy Forest as punishment forcing him up a weightclass i hope he destroys cardio boy.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 08:06
ive said it before, hes good but he acts silly and douchebag-ish
Wed, 07/29/09 - 08:13
Wait, so because he frustrated to two underprepared assholes, one of whom was a lazy little bitch who laid on his back like a two dollar whore waiting for his fluffer to put more baby powder on his swollen taint, now Silva's hunger and humility is gone for good? Is it fair Lesnar won got a title shot after 3 fights? Every other Heavyweight has had to earn their chance; even Randy Couture had to continue to prove himself when came back. Who in their right fucking minds can justify that Rua is a valid contender for the championship fight with Lyoto after only winning 2 fights? And by that token, why is Silva the new UFC whipping boy for the same whiney ass fans who throw the remote through the TV because Jeff Gordon cut off Casey Kane coming around turn four? Silva will continue to do his job WELL and he'll fight whoever he is told to fight, but unless Tipper Gore starts the MMAPMRC to censor fighters from having opinions, let the fuckin' guy talk.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 08:23
hahahahaha nascar reference
Wed, 07/29/09 - 08:27
I hope Anderson smashes Forrest...and shuts everyone up...the guys a fighter...you can't blame him when the person he's up against...is to much of a puss to engage...or has some freak knee accident....that's BS....It wasn't pretty but like he said he did his job.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 08:28
Did Anderson forget that he got a title shot after knocking out a can in his UFC debut? Hypocritical or what?
Wed, 07/29/09 - 08:38
@LoneWolf I saw a guy standing with his hands on his hips, kicking with the same motion you'd try to get a dead bird off your sidewalk. Maybe it's just me, but I think his job is to fight. Everyone blamed Leites for being on the ground, waiting for Silva to come down where he's stronger. I can't figure out how Silva standing 10 feet away waiting for Leites to get on his feet, where Silva's stronger, is any different. They played "You come here...No, YOU come HERE!" and it was okay for one but not the other. Leites did go for it prematurely a couple times, but can you really blame him for trying to play to his strengths? Anyway... regardless of who was to blame... neither one of them attacked and Silva's just as guilty as Leites for a lame fight. I know this fight is an old, tired topic... but it's lingering enough in fans minds to bite Silva in the ass now. He planted some seeds of doubt and they're growing.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 08:38
Swinging a bat at a ball or throwing a ball into a hoop has no intrinsic value in itself, when removed from an arena full of people who are paying to see it.This is likely the best, most accurate sentence you've written on this site, and it really should be driven into the heads of all professional athletes and entertainers.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 08:41
It's annoying when Silva says, without elaboration, that the fans don't understand what he's doing in the cage Well, what don't we understand? Please explain how dancing around the ring and failing to attack your opponent is actually genius MMA strategy. If CP or any other reporters talk to Silva, please ask him what exactly it is that the fans aren't understanding. I'd love to hear his response.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 08:43
@Goog I understand you're point....but this is MMA, you have to take people down if you want to fight on the ground or be taken down...not try and bait them by laying there for 5 rounds....why the eff would Silva want to play to Thales's strengths, that would be bad judgment on his part.....the guy didn't earn the right to fight on the ground just by laying there.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 08:44
"Life in danger"? Exaggerate much? Unless, of course, the official happens to be Mazzagatti.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 08:44
awwww everyone needs to shut up. anderson can talk his shit all he wants. who the fuck cares? as you said, we pay to be entertained, not for opinion columns from the fighters. Just cause they can kick some ass does not mean god blessed them with an intelligent mind.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 08:49
I agree with Silva. While not super exciting for a Lesnar fan, the Spiders two wins came with solid game plans that any knowledgeable fan can appreciate. What do you expect when Silva cleans out a division and all he gets are the Thales Leites's? Bad matchmaking on Joe Silva's part if anything is to blame. Shogun doesn't deserve a title shot. This should have been Machida vs. Rampage, no doubt. For the longest time they weren't given Machida the best competition, and as a result he had to wait forever for a title shot. Now HE IS champion and they STILL aren't giving him the number one, two, or three top competitors. The UFC really needs to stand by their champion and give him the best friggin fights. He's earned it.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 09:06
The above quote is completely false. Sport has tremedous value to those who participate in it. It does not need spectators to give it value. You could argue that sport as entertainment both elevates and corrupts the purity of someone excelling in a physical act. In the case of Anderson Silva, his expectations have been built in part by his past performances but also by the Dana White's hype machine. Sport as entertainment is synonomous witth sport as business. When an athlete doesn't perform up to their entertainment potential then people feel cheated out of an experience, but what right do we really have to criticize an athlete for trying to do their job? It's easy to be an armchair quarterback these days. Comment boards and forums have actually become tightly ingrained with the rest of entertainment media to the point where it effects how people experience different sports. This is especially true with MMA because it is such a young sport and because there is more time in between events to speculate on past performances and future outcomes.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 09:07
@NewDawnFades: Well, who else in the LHW is "ready" for a shot? Rampage chose TUF instead of the title shot, so you can't blame Joe Silva for that one.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 09:07
i think having him fight more in the LHW division would solve the lame fight problem for Anderson. He could still smash any challengers to his belt if they can come up with any.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 09:08
to be honest i agree with anderson on all accounts. the reason ppl were upset with the fight WAS because of lack of understanding, he destroyed and dominated leites....why jump in and risk gettting subbed by a world class jits guy who keeps flopping guard? and if you are defending shogun getting a title shot....please. im a hige shogun fan, even got a chance to train with him. but he DOES NOT in any way deserve a title shot. yes its understood he is a filler, but he doesnt deserve the shot. and yeah anderson got the shot for beating leben, but when he did it, it was a much bigger feat as leben would have got the shot had he won....
Wed, 07/29/09 - 09:09
Shogun BEAT Rampage and deserves the title shot he hasn't looked that great against forest and Coleman but he probabally didn't train at all for either of those bums and he had some knee problems.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 09:21
I'd love to see a UFC Countdown vid that sarcastically jumps from Griffin/Bonnar to Silva/Leites and back several times when they start talking about "complementary fighting styles".
Wed, 07/29/09 - 09:22
@LoneWolf "why the eff would Silva want to play to Thales's strengths, that would be bad judgment on his part....." While I agree with you, they each had a game plan, and that plan was to not play to the other's strengths. Bad judgement for Leites was standing. But they're not all going to be verbal agreements like Marcus Davis to "stand and bang". And it's not my personal favorite, but it seems that's the most exciting part for a lot of fans. Just stand and throw hands?.... I can watch boxing if that's all I want, and they're better at it. I like a mix of it all, and the Silva/Leites fight coulda provided that if they both weren't so cautious. Forrest likes to stand, too, but I'm really hoping he puts Silva on the back of his bulbous head and elbows him for 3 minutes at a time. And if Silva tries his little thigh punches or cute little kicks behind the back, I hope Forrest kills him. With a revolver.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 09:23
This is the fallout of being the best at what you do... there's more & more doubters and just plain haters who want the best to fall. It's part of every aspect of life: music, sports, movies, you name it; once you're at the top, there's nowhere to go but down. I'm not saying I want the Spider to fall but this is exactly a symptom of being one of the P4P best in the world...always questions about how long can he keep it and how well can he keep doing it. This has happened to Chuck. This is happening with Fedor as we speak; just see the other posts. Soon, it'll happen to GSP as well. Now in terms of his 1st argument, there's no question that many fans, mostly newer, are not interested in a strategized effort by Silva; they came to see him knock some mofo the fuck out. It's like that with a lotta people, no one seems to like the ground game much, (or tech. striking game)...see: Lesnar vs. Mir II with the crowds chanting "Stand them up." This, I agree with Silva, but it doesn't discount any responsibility he had with not making an efficient effort with Patrick Cote (fuck Leites, even tho he's the BJJ guy he just flopped the whole fight). I agree with Iron Fist too that Dana White's beak is also at fault for making this guy seem indestructible inside the octagon, fight in fight out. And for his 2nd argument... simple answer: there's just not anyone else out there to fight Machida since Rashad and Rampage are goin' at it with TUF and in December. Bottom line: Anderson Silva is still a beast of a fighter, but he's not stupid or gullible. That's why he's the best middleweight in the world.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 09:23
@One Two you bringing up a fight that happened 4 years ago? shogun was a beast in Pride but he hasnt shown those same skills in the ufc for whatever reason. I hope he takes advantage and destroys Machida though so ha can rematch rampage.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 09:24
@ Art Gibs- Im pretty sure he is implying that the fans dont/ didnt understand that it sometimes goes to decision. Not every fight can be a KO for him, and he wasnt trying to risk getting caught. He did get quite alot of boo's just for being a little more evasive and not so aggressive. Maybe, thats just what I think.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 09:28
@ lonewolf I was thinkin the same thing about googs comment. @ all He still has more fans than nonfans, and guess what hes right, we are the true mma fans, not "only certain fighters" fans.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 09:34
Silva has always been like this for as long as I can remember. When has he been humble??? When he fell to his face before Rich Franklin (with the belt) after beating him to a pulp? Nope. Had Anderson lost to Franklin do you think he would of been "humble" enough to have done the same thing? Nope. He did it not 'cause he is humble in this sport but cocky. But hey, the guy is great at what he does. And I'm still a fan.....but the UFC definitely needs to bring in fighters from outside to give him a real challenge 'cause I just don't see Nate Marquardt, Maia or Belfort doing it.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 09:38
@ Goog "And if Silva tries his little thigh punches or cute little kicks behind the back, I hope Forrest kills him. With a revolver" LOL that was awesome, well I def hope that doesn't happen, but I really can't wait to see this fight, lets hope its a good one!
Wed, 07/29/09 - 09:40
@GOOG: Finally someone else who gets that this is MIXED Martial Arts.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 09:52
i agree with two black eyes, that fight where Rampage lost to Rua was years ago and when Rua was killing everyone. Wanderlei also beat Rampage's ass pretty bad but what happened in the UFC, 4 years is a long time for a guy to either evolve or fall off. I would like to add that rampage is a total douche bag though.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 09:54
"A booing crowd is like a bad performance review from your boss" Well that boss is an overly demanding asshole who doesn't care about the well being of his employees.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 09:54
"Here's the pitfall for any professional athlete when they reach a great level of success — forgetting that the sole purpose of your job is to entertain fans." Wrong, the sole purpose of his job is to win. You don't train for years in BJJ and a myriad of techniques to throw them out the window come fight night because weekend fans want to see you fight like Chuck Liddell. The UFC with their array of media promotions and production capabilities should produce something that educates the average fan as to what the sport is all about- the history, the technique, etc. Cage Potato at times seems to be trying to devolve the sport back into tough man competitions. Who the hell is he insulting? These jabs at Silva are reaching and completely short-sighted, once he knocks someone out in the first round CagePotato will be back on his nuts. Get a grip.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 09:55
I think Anderson is tired of the constrains of the UFC contract because he wants to fight [and lose to] RJJ and it's just now getting illustrated. I'm a big Shogun fan, and I agree two wins in the UFC isn't enough to justify a title shot...but Anderson is forgetting that he had exactly one win--over a pedestrian Chris Leben--before getting his own title shot at MW. I'm also betting that if Zuffa offered Anderson a LHW title shot after beating Forrest he'd jump at it...after a total of two wins at LHW. I liked Anderson better when he was just a guy that smiled and nodded and beat the shit out of people. rh
Wed, 07/29/09 - 09:57
Well said Bleve, well said.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 10:04
There's a recipe for exciting, SUCCESSFUL fights. It's part good matchmaking, which falls on Joe Silva. Then there's the fighters inside the cage at go time. And lastly, the fans have to accept and support the fighters. And maybe that means not giving Anderson Silva a world of shit for winning a decision instead of having a KTFO highlight reel again [not counting his last couple disinterested-looking outings]. But the last part is tricky... I've said this before: the fans have expectations, and that's fine to a certain extent. If Royce Gracie tried to come back and just box for 3 rounds, fans would be pissed because the JJ master isn't on display. Chuck Liddell was great when he was knocking people out, then he's losing a few and he's being ripped for ignoring his great wrestling skills. Even if Anderson Silva won his next 10 fights by split decision using his ground game, he'd be booed. It doesn't mean he sucks or is slipping if he goes a couple fights without a knockout [but at least try for us, AS]. If Lesnar grabs someone in a fluke armbar, the universe will be stunned and thrilled at first. Then if he wins 5 in a row with better boxing, whiners will complain that he's not wrestling and GnP'ing everyone. But our expectations are built and then not met and it makes for cranky fans. I like it all and love a good twist. I think Forrest/Silva is great. They both box well and anything could happen on the ground. But the true 100% complete athletes like GSP or BJ Penn [whining aside] who can beat you with anything, they're very few in number. Most of the guys have a strength and we just have to learn to enjoy seeing them stick to it.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 10:32
"Here's the pitfall for any professional athlete when they reach a great level of success — forgetting that the sole purpose of your job is to entertain fans." I don't agree here. Ofcourse everybody loves to watch the great entertainers of each sport but since when is your primary goal as an athlete to entertain? Maybe we should send Anderson Silva to Cirque de Soleil to train his entertainment skills. I think an athlete has to show great preformance in the sport and beat the competition. Everybody whos truly into the sport will watch and enjoy it. There will always be those who think a dominant preformance looked boring. But everybody is free to choose a sport to watch right?
Wed, 07/29/09 - 10:32
I'm hoping for another decision that gives us the first ever non-bloody Forrest being punched in the shin for three rounds. When the crowd starts booing, Silva goes into the crowd kneeing peoples throats out. That said, come on, his last fight was bad ass. You will never see another fighter try, and succeed at, punching another dude in the leg.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 10:54
Anderson Silva is a good fighter. I don't think anything can take that away from him. I believe he is still a nice guy. He's not flipping off the crowd or anything like that, he's just getting frustrated and that's understandable. I don't think it's appropriate to expect everyone to accept and be gracious in the reception of booing, especially after all the work you put into something. I do not necessarily agree with his deal with Shogun and the belt, but to be honest, nobody sees exactly eye to eye in anything...
Wed, 07/29/09 - 11:00
He's right.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 11:05
It's unfortunate my opponets didn't fight back? Now that you have the belt you deserve the right to back peddle and have them sprinting into your punches? It may be enertaining to see but that's not reality. Someone needs to do the Nate Quarry to him.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 11:35
Anderson Silva has become one of the largest douchebags in MMA today. I used to be a fan of Silva a few years ago, but now I take great pleasure in cheering for his opponents. I think the UFC needs to implement rules similar to Pride's rules for fighter inactivity, where inactivity results in your fight purse being penalized. The only way a douche like Anderson Silva will ever change his style, is if he is hit in the pocketbook (which realistically the UFC would never do this). This fucking guy couldn't give two shits about the fans. Please Forrest, kick this douchebag's ass, so we can listen to the equally douchey Ed Soares (Silva's Manager/Interpreter/Bumchum) tell us the reasons why Anderson lost. One thing is for certain, Forrest isn't going to back down one bit. Forrest will make it a fight, provided that Anderson is willing to engage. Win, lose, or draw, if this turns out to be a good fight, it will be because Forrest made it a good fight, not Silva.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 11:49
Probably one of the worst Articles I've read on this site. Completely disagree. The Spider has a point about everything that he said. And CP in this instance sounds a lot like the UFC-nut-hugging fags that think that MMA is all about pleasing a dumb mob. I find Anderson Silva to be pretty spot on with his discrepancies. I do NOT agree that Shogun has earned a shot. And I DO agree that fans only booed the fights that Anderson had because his OPPONENTS were too cowardly to fight back. Anderson Silva making professional fighters look like idiots, would still be Anderson Silva making professional fighters look like idiots, WITHOUT the crowd. Period.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 12:02
"forgetting that the sole purpose of your job is to entertain fans. " The sole purpose for a fighter is to WIN fights. If Dana White and CO., had brought in some better 185 opposition from overseas, we wouldn't even be having this conversation about Anderson's last two fights. By the way, I enjoyed Anderson's fight with Leites. I thought that fight was technically briliiant. I think he's right in that many people (yourself included CP), don't really understand what's going on. Maybe you should try training a bit in the sport?
Wed, 07/29/09 - 12:05
To people like JPfighter, please go show us how it's done. I always see you guys saying how a fighter should do this or that. Please, go demonstrate. Go show us how easy it is to knock out someone like Thales Leites or Patrick Cote.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 12:05
Anderson said: "I went out there and executed a good game plan, it was just unfortunate that my opponents didn’t fight back.” If I was fighting ANY opponent that "didn't fight back", I'd knock him the fuck out or submit him. And if I didn't, I'd be ashamed of myself. Apparently Silva has no shame, and is only interested in his paycheck. Fuck you, Anderson Silva and Ed Soares.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 12:19
@ cpreader1 "I think he's right in that many people (yourself included CP), don't really understand what's going on. Maybe you should try training a bit in the sport?" I think it is Silva that doesn't understand what's going on. No PPV draw, no big paycheck. The issue is not winning, the issue is whether or not people want to see him fight! Some consider him to be the best P4P fighter in the world, yet his PPV numbers are dismal, and getting worse. Most fans want to see a FIGHT, not a victory. If you think MMA is all about victory, then you have a lot to learn.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 12:39
It was him not even caring about inferior opponents such as Cote and Leites. You guys just have some hate for him because he didnt get a KO in his last 2 fights. Obviously Forest is going to make him fight, but Silva is right about this. And Silva is going to beat the shit out of Forest next saturday. Haha haters, go die.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 12:43
I'm not sure this really is so much of a change for Anderson Silva at all. That's not to say that he has always been conceited, or a jerk, or that he is necessarily trying to be one now. From the beginning Anderson has been all about honor and respect. He spoke very respectfully about Rich Franklin and their two fights. About what a true champion he was, and what an honor to fight him, etc. Anderson has clearly always felt the honoring and respecting those who have earned it is a very important thing. I think what we are seeing here is not a change in Anderson, but another side of that same mindset. e honored and respected Rich because he deserved it. He now feels he deserves the same. Equally, he feels Lyoto Machita has earned more respect than to face a Shogun who so recently put on an appalling display of barely being bale to fight in his fight where he beat Coleman.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 12:51
Hey, CP lay off the Spider! I actually agree with everything he said, he does make sense.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 12:55
Hey cpreader1, Anderson Silva said they weren't fighting back, not me. Obviously these guys are all elite fighters that would destroy 99% of us, that is not the point. The point is, if I were fighting against someone that "didn't fight back", I'd finish the fight or I'd feel like shit. I think most people would feel the same way. As for showing you "how it's done", watch any number of other fighters that realize their job is to entertain. St. Pierre, Wanderlei, Machida, Henderson, Griffin, Rampage, Penn, Florian, etc, etc, etc. They don't go in there to play patty-cake and win on points... they engage, they take punishment, they take risk. THOSE guys have true fighter spirit. This bullshit about "the goal is to take no damage". If the fans wanted to see that shit, non-contact karate would be the largest sport in the world now. This isn't the second coming of the Karate Kid, this is the motherfucking UFC!
Wed, 07/29/09 - 01:20
"forgetting that the sole purpose of your job is to entertain fans" Since when? The purpose of MMA fighters is to test themselves and compete in the sport that they love and excel in, and when half of the fans don't know what they are talking about its hard to please everyone, i love Anderson Silva still, its not his fault his last 2 opponents were scared of him. If anything we should be talking about how unimpressive GSP is, just laying on people until a decision, he has done this consistently for his past 3 fights, Anderson Silva does not have to please anyone, nor do any of the MMA fighters, the fans are secondary to the sport, the UFC is not an entertainment business as much as it is a competitive sport.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 01:59
LOL @ GSP being boring. You should check the last 3-4 fights...He wasnt just lay and pray, it was the most brutal GNP ever seen. BJ penn tapped to strikes.... and who else beside John Fitch wouldve reach the decision in that spot ?? That was one of the worst beating ever seen. GSP WILL go in anyones guard...BJJ master or not ( see BJ again ) Problem with A. Silva is not that he's boring or elusive. It's his attitude...acting like bruce Lee for no reason, dancing around, jabbing the leg !?! Leithes was a fag but Cote was willing to engage and take a beating...why does Silva made fun of him during the fight ?? Not like Cote was running backward more than him.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 02:23
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Wed, 07/29/09 - 02:43
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Wed, 07/29/09 - 03:26
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Wed, 07/29/09 - 03:32
@Decipleofmagus "If anything we should be talking about how unimpressive GSP is, just laying on people until a decision, he has done this consistently for his past 3 fights, Anderson Silva does not have to please anyone, nor do any of the MMA fighters, the fans are secondary to the sport, the UFC is not an entertainment business as much as it is a competitive sport." What a load of horseshit. First of all, GSP is far more engaging in the Octagon than Anderson. That's not even a comparison. GSP puts his ass on the line and takes risk, every single fight. Silva doesn't even know how to spell the word "risk". To him, it's all a game to see if he can avoid getting punched, while he throws jabs at his opponents thigh. Anderson Silva does not have to please anyone? Really? Let me educate you on the UFC business model. The UFC needs revenue to survive. In order to have revenue, they need fans that want to pay to watch fights. And in order to have fans that want to pay to watch fights, you need to please the fans. Anderson Silva has the lowest PPV draw numbers of any UFC champion, and that is not by accident. People don't want to see this idiot pay games in the Octagon. It's a FIGHT, not a karate point scoring competition. The fans are secondary to the sport? Ask Dana White where the UFC would be if they took this attitude. They would be fucking bankrupt. The fans are not secondary to the sport, the fans the BACKBONE of this sport. This is not bowling, this is a spectator sport that survives and thrives on generating large numbers of viewers who are willing to pay to see the events live. If the fans were secondary to the sport, do you think companies like Bud Light and Harley Davidson would be sponsoring the events? Hell no. What a ridiculous statement to say the fans are secondary to the sport. The UFC is not an entertainment business? Really? Again, what a fucking stupid statement. So, you buy the UFC PPV's for something other than entertainment? What the fuck are you talking about? You watch NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA for something other than entertainment? ANY sport is an entertainment business, otherwise none of these fuckers would get paid a DIME. Think about what the fuck you are saying.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 03:40
@saku "As long as the rules and the scoringsystem allow him to do what he does, nobody can complain." Tell you what. Go start up a fight promotion with a group of fighters that have this attitude, and see how many PPV's you are going to get. So, the way fans will "complain" is by simply not buying PPV cards that are headlined by Anderson Silva. In fact, he draws the smallest PPV numbers of any UFC champion. Seems odd, considering that he is supposedly the best P4P fighter. How could that be? Hmmm. Think about it. Because nobody wants to see this new-found bullshit point-system style he has adopted in search of the "perfect fight". What a load of crap. Look, Dana White himself has openly criticized Silva for his bullshit. Why? Because Dana knows that the fans aren't going to pay to see that shit (and the PPV numbers show it). And if the fans aren't going to pay to see Silva fight, who really gives a shit if he wins or loses? Do you want to pay to see a chess match? No, you want to pay to see a fight.
Wed, 07/29/09 - 03:58
I honestly think he was too nice with his last 2 opponents... like, he'd feel bad for smashing their face in cos they weren't even a challenge to him u know? He probably had bigger challenges sparring in the lead up to it. I think Forrest is gonna get a taste of the old spider
Thu, 07/30/09 - 03:15
@JPfighter You are obviously right about the PPV numbers but in my opinion this is not Silvas fault. He enters the cage to win fights and not to sell PPV. The UFC has to make changes in the scoringsystem or introduce something like a yellow card to provide fights which the fans enjoy. They want people to watch the fights but Silva gets his paycheck in every case and only cares about two things: the outcome of the fight and his health. To blame Silva for not being exciting enough isnt the right way because it will lead us to scripted fights. As MMA evolves there will be more and more professionals whos primary goal will be to just win fights. Ofcourse the UFC wants it to be exciting and sell it to the crowds, but then they should provide the right framework. You cant seriously try to tell a fighter how to do his job as long as hes successful. Note that the success of a fighter in the UFC is something different than the success of the UFC itself. Dana should not criticize Silva but should be criticized for the flaws in his product. And by those flaws i dont mean the best fighters in the world.
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