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Despite rumors that BJ Penn was considering retirement directly before or after his brutal, slippery loss against Georges St. Pierre updated his Facebook page with a message that he’ll "for sure" be facing Kenny Florian in his next fight, possibly in June. (This follows a previous Facebook comment where Penn wrote "gsp was a bit greased but that takes nothin away from him at all he was the better guy!") Florian last fought at UFC 91 in November, where he scored a first-round submission victory over Joe Stevenson. So, he’ll have to make a choice that’s now all-too-familiar — take a long layoff and wait for BJ to be ready in the summer, or risk his #1 contender status with another place-holder bout.
And just to keep you up to speed on "Lubegate"…
— Currently retired fighter Jason "Mayhem" Miller has gone on the UG to re-publish one of his old Fight! Magazine columns where he called out one of his past opponents for greasing during a fight. The implication is that he was writing about GSP. As Miller writes, "Would it have made a difference if he wasn’t greased up? Maybe, but honestly probably not. He was the better man that night, plain and simple. He bent the rules, not broke them, and when you get away with it, it isn’t called cheating…When your livelihood depends on whether or not your hand is raised at the end of the night, you’ll work the system to achieve that end result."
— Nevada State Athletic Commission Executive Director Keith Kizer is fairly pissed off at Phil Nurse:
Kizer also told the Las Vegas Review Journal, "This doesn’t necessarily take away his victory, but it takes away from his victory, and that’s unfortunate. I told them unfortunately, because of their actions, they have probably tarnished St. Pierre’s victory in the eyes of the fans."
— Greg Jackson to Sherdog: “I’m sure [St. Pierre] wouldn’t mind fighting B.J. a third time if they’re that concerned about it. I’m sure everybody would make a lot of money, and we’d certainly welcome that fight again.”
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Comments
Tue, 02/03/09 - 07:18
Don't think anyone else would welcome that fight anytime soon. What a disappointment.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 07:19
1stfirst!
Tue, 02/03/09 - 07:19
God you 1st guys are gay...
Tue, 02/03/09 - 07:20
First!
Tue, 02/03/09 - 07:25
Just imagine how pathetic these guys are in real life. It's Tuesday and they are sitting on this website and probably 50 other sites, waiting for new articles or stories to be posted just so they can jump in and claim that they read it first. The thing is, most of the time they aren't even first. And even if you are, nobody cares. You idiots might as well yell out "I am a waste of life, oxygen and hyrdocarbons! I was given this one life, this miracle of LIFE and look what I decided to dedicate it to! I am leaving my mark on humanity by always claiming to be the first to read certain articles even though I am usually not the first (the guy who wrote is ) :( " I mean, just don't poke a hole in the condom when you decide to buy a hooker and lose your virginity, because the stupid and the poor reproducing have caused the smart and honest working people of this world to pay higher taxes.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 07:26
wasn't mayhem trying the rubber guard in his fight with GSP? i think his and BJ's lack of success with it has less to do with vaseline and more to do with the fact that maybe, just maybe, the almighty rubber guard doesn't work very well when your opponent is shirtless and covered in sweat.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 07:28
1sttt!
Tue, 02/03/09 - 07:28
@ hiphopanonymous ...or you've been beaten to a pulp with no life left in you.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 07:28
I dunno why you guys keep posting this facebook nonsense as news. I find it highly unlikely that its actually BJ Penn on facebook given how much he tries to promote bjpenn.com. And dont say that facebook is tight on misuse of names and pictures because a search for Brock Edward Lesnar shows two guys with that name and Lesnar's picture, which has been around for a while. A search for BJ penn shows multiple profiles with the same name and BJ's picture. Lesnar doesn't even use the internet as he has said in the past.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 07:29
..I just like dongs.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 07:35
Come on CP....the reason this is still an issue is because site like this allow it to be. When the commision proclaims that a complaint has been registered and that a decision will be made....report on it but do it then and only then. To the first 3 posters. Write something worthwhile...why are you guys even here?
Tue, 02/03/09 - 07:36
BJ better stop crying about his sore vagina and get ready for Florian. I got a bad feeling about this one..........
Tue, 02/03/09 - 07:38
arm you are the first one to call them gay so arent you kinda one of those first guys you speak of?
Tue, 02/03/09 - 07:38
Well, bottom line, a third fight might not be as popular as this one. In the end, Penn was defeatee fair and square. GSP's fighting made us all realize that he will continue to be a dominant fighter in the UFC for years to come. I was somewhat disappointed at Penn in his performance but then I think, he performed exactly as he always did except GSP just over dominated him in everything. Honestly I am not interested in a third fight with these two guys as the outcome will probably be the same. What really sounds interesting is a GSP/Silva fight. That would be another superfight that would be just as popular as this past one. I hope both bens really make an effort to advocate for this fight.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 07:44
rofl @ TUF Guy once again. His posts become more insightful as the days roll on. It has gone away from the TUF Guy of old ("Meet me at my gym, f**s") to now actually saying things that make sense. I wonder if he was replaced?
Tue, 02/03/09 - 07:44
Sweet! Someone else posted comments under my name!!! Cool.... must mean I am moving up in the world! lol
Tue, 02/03/09 - 07:51
Enough with the "Next time" warnings. The easy solution is to bar GSPs cornerman who applied the vaseline from ever cornering again. Unfair, maybe, but so is applying vaseline to a dominant fighter's shoulders and back. Sorry, but GSP's corner fucked up and there needs to be consequences. GSP and the whole Jackson camp need to be watched now. That sucks, but that's life. Nobody likes a cheater.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 08:00
That is awesome! I love dongs... Dongs of all sizes... I love Dong Hyun Kim's, Dong Zhiming's, Dong Yung's, Dong Hua's, Jang Dong Gun's, Dong Ho's, Dong Yi's, Dong Yang's, Dong Si's, Wang Dong's, Dong Nai's, Dong Zhi's, Dong Hai Chang's, Dong Wenhua's, Lee Dong Gun's, Li Dong's, Dong-Kung Yan's, David Wei Dong's, Dong Haichuan's, Dong Phan's... That's about all the Dongs that I like... (Sorry mayhem I had to do it, after your posts - Kadumel)
Tue, 02/03/09 - 08:01
And by the way, all of those are real dongs... Google it...
Tue, 02/03/09 - 08:04
Effing A, the posts below is a damn suckup faggot. he needs to get his dick back from BJ.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 08:09
20th!
Tue, 02/03/09 - 08:11
The only thing tainted afterwards was BJ Penns underwear after getting the shit beat out of him.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 08:17
Does anyone HONESTLY think that the fight would have gone the other way had nothing been put on GSP's back? It was definitely wrong, however, and GSP needs to take some sort of action with his handlers, to ensure such a situation is never repeated, and to let the public know his feelings on the situation.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 08:19
Thoughts Says: Tue, 02/03/2009 - 07:38 "arm you are the first one to call them gay so arent you kinda one of those first guys you speak of?" No.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 08:19
30th! If BJ faces GSP for a third time, he has to ask for one thing in his contract. Give BJ permission to wear Shinya Aoki's magical pants so he can negate GSP's vaseline / witch-doctor energy motivating edge. Even the playing field Dana!
Tue, 02/03/09 - 08:31
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everyone's beating a dead horse. That still doesn't change the fact that I would love to see someone else fight using Aoki's fancy pants and use his butt-scoot technique
Tue, 02/03/09 - 08:35
Is anyone else getting tired of this back and forth shit, especially when pretty much everyone agrees with eachother. WE ALL AGREE IT WAS WRONG FOR GSP TO HAVE ANY VASELINE PUT ON HIS BODY. WE ALL AGREE THAT IT DIDN'T CHANGE THE OUTCOME AND BJ STILL WOULD HAVE LOST.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 08:46
i think the dissent is that some people think it was ok because it didn't change the outcome, i disagree lebens use of steroids didn't change the outcome of the bisping fight but its still cheating. and to BJ nobody can ever be the "better man" when they cheat.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 08:52
Arguing over this is like me trying to convince one of you queers to meet me at my gym, no matter what it's like, ... I lost my train of thought right there but you guys are pussies either way. I also love the fact that GSP is on roids, it just shows that there are no side-effects at all, it just makes you the best in whatever you do. I would take roids even if I was in school, I think they would make me smarter.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 09:16
I dont think the right bj showed up to fight because 1 of the ones on my facebook friends says he is going to knock GSP out and his status hasnt been updated since friday, the other says gsp is greasey and 1 other the others says may retire and they all look the same with the same profile picture
Tue, 02/03/09 - 09:24
First!!!
Tue, 02/03/09 - 09:34
@Contraband: I think the BJ in Canada is the real one, because he got pwned by GSP, and GSP probably took him back home as a pet.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 09:38
One thing I find a little messed up about this whole lube controversy is that everyone is automatically assuming there was a large amount on his back and shoulders. We hear the word vaseline, we look at how GSP was able to pass the guard of BJ, a gassed BJ I might add, and everyone who would have liked to see the fight go a different way automatically assumes he must have been covered in the stuff. Even Kizer gave the impression in his interview that George was covered in the stuff just by the way he reacted to the situation. Despite this he never actually came right out and said anything relating to the amount of vaseline he witnessed being applied. All thats ever been said or shown on video with any degree of certainty is that GSP corner applied vaseline to GSP's face and then touched other parts of his body before wiping their hands. We can not tell from the video, nor has anyone including Kizer come out and made any direct comments regarding the amount of vaseline. Point being there may have been alot (as many people are taking the opportunity to imply) there may have been very little, or there may in fact have been none at all. The commission has said that they wiped george down because he was touched after vaseline was applied to his face but even then, despite Kizers dramatics, they can not and have not said anything relating to the amount of vaseline, if any was even visible, that they actually saw. It sounds like they wiped him down as a precaution but can not actually says weather or not there was anything there in the first place. I'm not saying there wasn't, my only point is that everyone is taking the opportunity to assume he was lathered in the stuff when there many in fact have been nothing at all. As for Miller and Sherk and everyone else saying he was greasy these comments have to be taken at face value. These guys have all been beaten rather one sidedly by GSP in the past. Sherk himself cannot even admit his own guilt over taking steroids, the evidence of which is far more conclusive that any lube allegation you could make against GSP, so why should anyone take anything he says as fact. Sean Sherk is tainted far more than GSP will ever be. One final point (if anyone is still reading) and while I know it is a bit of a stretch it should still be considered. Maybe in GSP's day to day life he uses a lot of moisturizer or baby oil or whatever anyone uses to keep their skin moist. A lot of people do it. If so perhaps this has something to do with the fact that people find him slippery when wet. I know I know.... that's a big if but I'm just throwing it out there. If the things people have said are in fact true there could be other explanations aside from cheating. This whole situation deals with a great deal of "If" and very little certainty and this needs to be kept in mind before we go throwing people under the bus and quite possibly ending their careers.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 09:49
Vaseline is also used for anal sex, but sex is defined as too conselting adults fornicating. Now what GSP Vs B.J Penn is considered a rape...anal rape
Tue, 02/03/09 - 10:09
hey TUF guy you ever gonna have any fights you can post to show us all what a warriror you really are?
Tue, 02/03/09 - 10:14
Woohoo first in line
Tue, 02/03/09 - 10:28
Hey TUF guy, why don't you post a picture of yourself, along with the address of your "gym" and I'll be more than happy to come by and show you up.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 10:32
Eeeewwwww......just missed the triple digits spot!!! herpies here I come!!!!
Tue, 02/03/09 - 10:55
Hey Crispy, GSP did an interview on sidotcom, responding to the allegations, basically saying he did nothing wrong, did not know what the commotion was about, but an official wet a towel and wiped him off, bj's using excuses and always wants to find someone to blame for his shortcomings instead of looking at himself and evaluating what he could have done better and do better in the future, that he trained very hard for this fight and worked so during it, and if bj wants to take him to court over it he'll fight it all the way, and rematch him if he wants it. Also there is an interview on another mma site with pat miletich and video of him having the same ritual applied to him, coming to gsp's defense saying he wasn't greased, and that he and hughes use the same witch doctor that does that routine
Tue, 02/03/09 - 11:23
Kizer is bitch. Adding to the speculation of the minuscule - if any amount of Vaseline's effectiveness in making BJ lose. We'll start calling Phil, Phil "Greasy Hands" Nurse now?? Fuck that. The amount that would be on his hands from touching GSP's face after it was applied is so small that it wouldn't make ANY difference. Have you ever tried to apply Vaseline to a sweaty area of skin? It won't leave the drier surface of skin because the adhesion is not there when moisture is present - unless it is a large amount. Had they dried off GSP's back before touching him, I'd wonder. So are we starting to think that Phil had plastic bags with Vaseline in his pockets and put his hands in before touching GSP. LAUGHABLE. The notion that this tainted the win is BS. Bring BJ on again and GSP will pound him out again.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 11:42
Everyone is saying that Phil's actions were wrong. The FACT is that his actions were careless, at best. Had he been trying to gain an advantage by applying anything, he would have actually put enough substance there to make a difference. The intent wasn't there, people's suspicion is, however. And no matter how small the amount was, people will still think what they want to think. The area Phil is massaging on GSP's back is between the shoulder blades and about 8" top-down. There was contact to the front of GSP's shoulders but none to the back of the shoulders or latissimus dorsi. The pressure contact from BJ's guard is mainly exerted on the outer parts of the lats and rear shoulders. His heels and ankles make contact with the suspect area and aren't using the gripping nature of his calves, knees and thighs. Even in rubber, the leg is across the upper part of the back/shoulder area and above the suspect area. GSP shaves his body hair and with sweat, that makes the dude slippery as fuck. What do you think of ancient Grecco Roman wrestlers slathering themselves in diluted olive oil? A little more of a difference versus the small suspect areas that were wiped anyway on GSP.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 11:50
I was wondering which douche was using my name again and putting "first" then of course, I scroll down and there is good, ol', dependable, repetitive, predictable TUF Guy. Who's a bigger waste of oxygen? The kid that is actually putting "first" or the tool that actually wastes his time fake posting so that he can attempt to make fun of people. Get a life kid.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 11:52
So that is why the spit and Vaseline never work together. Dang it!
Tue, 02/03/09 - 12:05
how about the guy commenting on the guy commenting on the first post? things that make you go hmmmm......
Tue, 02/03/09 - 12:08
Thank you DR! Everybody's talking about it like it doesn't happen all the time. Whether intentional or no, it's part of the game. Why isn't everyone after Karo for grabbing the cage, shorts, poking in the eye and a totally intentional upkick while his opponent was on his knees? [Push kick my ass, Rogan! What is he Karo's lover or what?] As a matter of fact; FUCK Joe Rogan. He can't at least play at being impartial? His comments before the Karo fight were seemingly pre-excuses, and before the Penn fight I thought he shot in his shorts for BJ. Then when his honey gets the absolute living fuck beaten out of him, he sounds all dulled down and starts with the excuses. I don't mind that he has favorites, just don't make it so obvious.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 12:17
Hey Look! I posted something on Cagepotato.com ... so it must be me BTW- I am fighting Brock Lesnar and Kimbo in a tag team match on September 19th.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 12:44
BJ Penn says: I woud have posted the most intelligent, most funny, most thought provoking comment ever in the history of the internet and you would have thought I was god... but somebody put vaseline all over my keyboard.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 01:15
And Phil didn't apply the Vaseline to the back area. If anything was there, it was transfered there by coincidental contact. He didn't go in there saying, "I gotta make sure I put enough Vaseline on GSP back." He went in the to apply to the face and then to provide GSP with the ritual, albeit like a superstition to get him into a zone of controlled and relaxed breathing. Yes he should have been more careful to wipe his hands before.
Tue, 02/03/09 - 01:50
I believe i saw some KY in GSPs corner... silly Canadians
Wed, 02/04/09 - 06:40
First!
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