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Despite rumors that BJ Penn was considering retirement directly before or after his brutal, slippery loss against Georges St. Pierre updated his Facebook page with a message that he’ll "for sure" be facing Kenny Florian in his next fight, possibly in June. (This follows a previous Facebook comment where Penn wrote "gsp was a bit greased but that takes nothin away from him at all he was the better guy!") Florian last fought at UFC 91 in November, where he scored a first-round submission victory over Joe Stevenson. So, he’ll have to make a choice that’s now all-too-familiar — take a long layoff and wait for BJ to be ready in the summer, or risk his #1 contender status with another place-holder bout.
And just to keep you up to speed on "Lubegate"…
— Currently retired fighter Jason "Mayhem" Miller has gone on the UG to re-publish one of his old Fight! Magazine columns where he called out one of his past opponents for greasing during a fight. The implication is that he was writing about GSP. As Miller writes, "Would it have made a difference if he wasn’t greased up? Maybe, but honestly probably not. He was the better man that night, plain and simple. He bent the rules, not broke them, and when you get away with it, it isn’t called cheating…When your livelihood depends on whether or not your hand is raised at the end of the night, you’ll work the system to achieve that end result."
— Nevada State Athletic Commission Executive Director Keith Kizer is fairly pissed off at Phil Nurse:
Kizer also told the Las Vegas Review Journal, "This doesn’t necessarily take away his victory, but it takes away from his victory, and that’s unfortunate. I told them unfortunately, because of their actions, they have probably tarnished St. Pierre’s victory in the eyes of the fans."
— Greg Jackson to Sherdog: “I’m sure [St. Pierre] wouldn’t mind fighting B.J. a third time if they’re that concerned about it. I’m sure everybody would make a lot of money, and we’d certainly welcome that fight again.”
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commentsHe didn't go in there saying, "I gotta make sure I put enough Vaseline on GSP back."
He went in the to apply to the face and then to provide GSP with the ritual, albeit like a superstition to get him into a zone of controlled and relaxed breathing.
Yes he should have been more careful to wipe his hands before.
BTW-
I am fighting Brock Lesnar and Kimbo in a tag team match on September 19th.
things that make you go hmmmm......
Who's a bigger waste of oxygen? The kid that is actually putting "first" or the tool that actually wastes his time fake posting so that he can attempt to make fun of people. Get a life kid.
The FACT is that his actions were careless, at best.
Had he been trying to gain an advantage by applying anything, he would have actually put enough substance there to make a difference.
The intent wasn't there, people's suspicion is, however. And no matter how small the amount was, people will still think what they want to think. The area Phil is massaging on GSP's back is between the shoulder blades and about 8" top-down. There was contact to the front of GSP's shoulders but none to the back of the shoulders or latissimus dorsi. The pressure contact from BJ's guard is mainly exerted on the outer parts of the lats and rear shoulders. His heels and ankles make contact with the suspect area and aren't using the gripping nature of his calves, knees and thighs. Even in rubber, the leg is across the upper part of the back/shoulder area and above the suspect area.
GSP shaves his body hair and with sweat, that makes the dude slippery as fuck. What do you think of ancient Grecco Roman wrestlers slathering themselves in diluted olive oil? A little more of a difference versus the small suspect areas that were wiped anyway on GSP.
We'll start calling Phil, Phil "Greasy Hands" Nurse now?? Fuck that. The amount that would be on his hands from touching GSP's face after it was applied is so small that it wouldn't make ANY difference.
Have you ever tried to apply Vaseline to a sweaty area of skin? It won't leave the drier surface of skin because the adhesion is not there when moisture is present - unless it is a large amount. Had they dried off GSP's back before touching him, I'd wonder. So are we starting to think that Phil had plastic bags with Vaseline in his pockets and put his hands in before touching GSP.
LAUGHABLE. The notion that this tainted the win is BS. Bring BJ on again and GSP will pound him out again.
Also there is an interview on another mma site with pat miletich and video of him having the same ritual applied to him, coming to gsp's defense saying he wasn't greased, and that he and hughes use the same witch doctor that does that routine
herpies here I come!!!!
Even Kizer gave the impression in his interview that George was covered in the stuff just by the way he reacted to the situation. Despite this he never actually came right out and said anything relating to the amount of vaseline he witnessed being applied. All thats ever been said or shown on video with any degree of certainty is that GSP corner applied vaseline to GSP's face and then touched other parts of his body before wiping their hands. We can not tell from the video, nor has anyone including Kizer come out and made any direct comments regarding the amount of vaseline. Point being there may have been alot (as many people are taking the opportunity to imply) there may have been very little, or there may in fact have been none at all. The commission has said that they wiped george down because he was touched after vaseline was applied to his face but even then, despite Kizers dramatics, they can not and have not said anything relating to the amount of vaseline, if any was even visible, that they actually saw. It sounds like they wiped him down as a precaution but can not actually says weather or not there was anything there in the first place. I'm not saying there wasn't, my only point is that everyone is taking the opportunity to assume he was lathered in the stuff when there many in fact have been nothing at all.
As for Miller and Sherk and everyone else saying he was greasy these comments have to be taken at face value. These guys have all been beaten rather one sidedly by GSP in the past. Sherk himself cannot even admit his own guilt over taking steroids, the evidence of which is far more conclusive that any lube allegation you could make against GSP, so why should anyone take anything he says as fact. Sean Sherk is tainted far more than GSP will ever be.
One final point (if anyone is still reading) and while I know it is a bit of a stretch it should still be considered. Maybe in GSP's day to day life he uses a lot of moisturizer or baby oil or whatever anyone uses to keep their skin moist. A lot of people do it. If so perhaps this has something to do with the fact that people find him slippery when wet. I know I know.... that's a big if but I'm just throwing it out there. If the things people have said are in fact true there could be other explanations aside from cheating.
This whole situation deals with a great deal of "If" and very little certainty and this needs to be kept in mind before we go throwing people under the bus and quite possibly ending their careers.
I think the BJ in Canada is the real one, because he got pwned by GSP, and GSP probably took him back home as a pet.
I also love the fact that GSP is on roids, it just shows that there are no side-effects at all, it just makes you the best in whatever you do. I would take roids even if I was in school, I think they would make me smarter.
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