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Brock Lesnar: “People Like Winners”

So, former WWE star Brock Lesnar still has his heart set on this whole “becoming the UFC heavyweight champion” thing. His Octagon debut against Frank Mir in February was a rude awakening, and the road isn’t going to get much easier on August 9th, when he’ll face the battle-tested Heath Herring at UFC 87, in his adpoted hometown of Minneapolis. In this video from ESPN, Lesnar is clearly aware of the threat that “The Texas Crazy Horse” poses, and seems to be taking him very seriously. Right now, Big Brock is a -230 favorite on BetUS (compared to Herring’s +180 ‘dog line), which surely reflects the hype of wrestling fanboys throwing down money on their boy. With far more experience and more ways to win, maybe Herring should be the favorite here. Any early predictions?

Another fresh MMA clip from ESPN — guillotine choke-master Joe Stevenson giving a quick primer on the beloved sub — is after the jump.

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Bootylam!- August 4, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Watch the fight again. Mir WANTED to go to the floor. As a matter of fact, he pretty much did it again in his next fight and subbed that guy, too. And I don't hate wrestling, [still flip to it sometimes] don't hate Lesnar even. I DO hate when these guys who haven't proven shit try to act like they're in the same league as these true MMA vets. Disrespect, pure and simple. Now humbled, Brock will improve and be worthy. [Hopefully]
DakotaMan22- August 4, 2008 at 5:11 pm
For all the people who say that Lesnar doesn't have any ground game: Before he was a "Professional Wrestler", he was a two time big ten champion and one time NCAA Heavyweight champion with a final combined high school and collegiate record of 106 wins to 5 losses. The boy can grapple just fine, and just because he got caught with a heel hook in his UFC debut doesn't make him a bad on the ground. It makes him cocky and overconfident. He tried to stand up and move around a submissionist on the mat instead of either using his quickness and agility, or working the position, or standing the damned fight back up. Mir bit him on the ass for it, just as he should have.

Second: No warning for strikes to the back of the head? Come on, let's be serious. Mazzagatti could have given a warning instead of standing them up, particularly in light of the fact that Mir was GIVING Lesnar the back of his head and nothing else. The rule is in place to keep people from getting hurt, not to give you time to recover from a brutal ass whipping by burying your head in the mat. I count 3 shots just behind the ear, and two strikes directly to the back of the head and falling inside the "Mohawk", which Mir gave up of his own volition. A warning would have sufficed. Instead, Referee Steve stands them up. I don't agree with the call, but it isn't my call, and at this point, it's moot.

Lesnar needs work on his GnP, particularly the form on his strikes, and he needs work on his escapes. His jabs were mostly arm, but they did the job, at least on Frank. But his biggest problem looks to me like he was all nerves. He looked tense as hell, and Frank, as usual, looked loose and calm. We all know Lesnar has ridiculous amounts of power, but he needs to just relax a bit and get out of his body's way. If he can get better form going once he gets people to the ground, and if he can learn a thing or two about how submissions are applied when you get careless, and above all if he can relax, I predict a meteoric rise for Mr. Lesnar in the UFC, regardless of how the anti "Pro Wrestling" junkies may hate him.

Whether Lesnar's been working on those things, we find out in a week when he fights Herring, but even if he hasn't, he's got a decent chance to win the fight. He's a mountain of a man and probably as agile as a middleweight, and Herring doesn't have the size and power advantage he's used to. Add to that that Lesnar has that massive, boxy head and absolutely NO NECK, and I think Herring is going to have a hard time putting this one away.

And as for Mir wanting to get taken down, I can't imagine how stupid he would have to be to actually WANT a 6'2", 265lb 'gorilla' with over 15 years of wrestling experience on top of him, even in a full guard, and especially given that he had never seen the man in action. I can't imagine Mir of all people trying such a risky tactic on someone he knew next to nothing about beyond that he was an AWESOME grappler in high school and college. Mir got taken down, saw an oppertunity, and like the great submissionist he is, made the most of it.

I'm not saying Lesnar should have won. I'm saying that he was the underdog going in, and if they had fought again right after the first match I would have favored Mir, probably 70-30, maybe 75-25. Mir was BETTER, and as a veteran UFC fighter he had better have been. But let's not pretend Lesnar couldn't have won by exercising some caution.

And finally, at the end of a rather long post, yes, that is a rather large phallus aimed at Mr. Lesnar's face.
Bootylam!- July 29, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Mir set a trap for Brock and the big dummy fell for it. Watch the fight objectively and Brock really did nothing. Mir laid down to set him up. His head never wobbled and if you pay attention he lays down and Brock didn't really connect. Mir smirks to his corner when Brock's on him because he KNOWS Brock fell for it and he has him before Brock even realizes it. Mir got taken down because he wanted to. Brocks a stupid gorilla and got put in his place by a better fighter. If they fought 10 times Brock would get submitted 8. Mir was too good for him. This next fight should be better but Herring won't be as easy as everyone seems to think.
WAR BROCK- July 29, 2008 at 1:31 pm
@ MMA fan
Amen brother your preaching to the choir. Like I said Herring doesn't have a chance. He is Dana's sacraficial lamb. Lesnar will destroy him unless he can grab an ankle
MMA fan- July 29, 2008 at 5:00 am
heath hearing is going to get destroyed. he couldn't even stop the take down against jake o brian. couple the wrestling skills or Brock with his sick ground and pound and you have yourself a contender. hearrings only chance is a submission as brock is still new to this aspect of the MMA game
WAR BROCK- July 29, 2008 at 2:46 am
the only fighters Brock will have trouble with are guys that can Jits him. Herring will lose 1st round TKO. If you think size and strength don't have anything to do in a fight try to armbar someone who can curl your bodyweight. Lesnar is a monster quit your dumbass bitching about how he was a wwe star. Who cares Vince Mcmahon has nothing to do with the UFC.
Anthony- July 29, 2008 at 1:14 am
I am biased as hell when it comes to Brock. He is from my home state of South Dakota and is pretty much the biggest thing to come out fo SD since Tom freakin' Brockaw
shutupandfight- July 29, 2008 at 12:43 am
and they're both fighting for a purse....they're already queer!
shutupandfight- July 29, 2008 at 12:42 am
homophobe vs homophobe...loser declares they are queer!
matt- July 28, 2008 at 10:29 pm
I agree with M@TT, all the way!!!! (with his last comment)
M@TT- July 28, 2008 at 10:27 pm
i am a total fuckin idiot and know nuthin of this sport, please disregard all of my above statements.........again, im totally stoopid!!!
Xamot- July 28, 2008 at 10:03 pm
please... no more wrestling coach mantras in MMA... please.
Anonymous- July 28, 2008 at 8:20 pm
Brock would destroy kimbo, no question. What questions remain regarding Brock is how far he's able improve his jiu jitsu and ultimately how far he's willing to go and how far down he's willing to be. Remember Kevin Randleman? For those unfamiliar, he was a fresh-faced young negro gifted by his dark, chocolate gods with steroids and supreme athletic abilities. He brought decent striking ability, strength, speed, and a collegiate wrestling background into the mma ring with modest success. A decent fighter, he never distinguished himself from the pack and ended his career with a crappy, nearly even w/l ratio.

The real question is if Brock, who has tremendous potential, would stick with MMA even if he never becomes a stand-out fighter.
ruckus- July 28, 2008 at 7:03 pm
i didnt like lesnar much when he first came out, and i was happy to see mir submit him... however you have to respect the opponents he is willing to face though. with his following i'm sure he has a lot of say as to who he fights.

its hard not to make the comparison between him and kimbo... whether its a fair one or not.
Anonymous- July 28, 2008 at 6:54 pm
While I can't say I share your penchant for rambling, incoherent diatribe, I can say good sir, that I share your sentiment. Go Brock!
MMANewbExpert- July 28, 2008 at 6:45 pm
People don't necessarily like winners. Tim Sylvia has won a lot of times and he's pretty much universally not liked.
Mr Jukebox- July 28, 2008 at 6:26 pm
Haters aside brock is a 6ft 5in 265pound manchild and with the way the heavyweight division is he is a welcome gift as far as i am concerned. His fight with mir went just how it should have but he did show alot in that fight enought that his next fight may go the other way and the makes me excited. I hope the heavyweight get more fighters like him guys that REALLY don't want a decsion. Unlike most that say this and that and when it comes to the fight they lay down like a bunch of pussies. In brocks fight he went after mir a former heavyweight and chased him around the ring took him down with very little effort and then hammerfisted him. The hit to the back of the head BULLSHIT but mma got together after that fight and decided just what a blow to the back of head is that won't happen again so good luck heath
Nate M.- July 28, 2008 at 6:16 pm
I agree that Lesnar is still a little wet when it comes to MMA, but give the guy "some' credit for being a gifted athlete. Most people with his size are nothing more than mooks swinging wildly and hoping to connect. He was the F'n college national champion! If he was smart in that Mir fight, he would have stood back up and exchanged punches with Mir again...Oops, did I say exchange, I meant to say land punches to Mir's dome and quickly taken him down agian. He made Mir look terrible when it comes to takedown D.

I want to say Lesnar wins by KO in the 1st, but Herring is a terrific fighter and Lesnar is still a little ignorant to the MMA, so I say Lesnar in the 2nd via TKO by ground n pound.
Jeffro- July 28, 2008 at 5:18 pm
At first I was pissed that UFC brought Brock on board because I didn't want MMA and WWE in the same catagory. But after I saw him fight Mir, I realized why the UFC did so. It is impressive to see a massive and gifted athlete punish a fighter, unrelenting, then get subbed by the "lesser" fighter with greater skills. Plus Brock comes with a huge astablished following.

I've got Heath Herring to win after if he survives the first few takedowns and Hammerfists. Heath is great on his feet, and if his takedown defense is as good as it should be, Lesnar will be asleep before the 3rd round.

Heath does not want to be beat by a guy who is being titty fucked by a cock sword. Trust me.
brock- July 28, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Weinners???? Oh it Winners.... hahaha you guys got me!!!
@m@thew- July 28, 2008 at 4:27 pm
do you think that quote proves him to be an idiot? He left a cushy carrier in the wwe to take on a new challenge. The only way to figure out is to try, that doesn't make him an idiot, just egotistical. I get why you don't like him but try to come up with a real argument to hate him cause this one was just reaching.

and yes that dick tattoo on his chest is fag-fruckin-tastic
M@TT- July 28, 2008 at 4:13 pm
in response:

Lesnar: "I got zero college offers for wrestling. Now people say I can't play football, that it's a joke. I say I can. I'm as good an athlete as a lot of guys in the NFL, if not better... "

Maybe he'll climb the cage and break his neck again trying to do a gainer
slapjaw ackrite- July 28, 2008 at 4:08 pm
come on there, tater tot - "adpoted hometown"

dont know if i should even say anything, with my slackjaw yokel shit
A.Gweeok- July 28, 2008 at 3:52 pm
@ M@tt

It's pretty ignorant for you to say he is a moron for wanting to do something more "real" with his career. Ok yea he threw away a huge contract but who cares Maybe he has saved plenty of his money to where he doesnt have to fucking scrounge like some people and now he wants to make a name for himself in a real sport. I am excited about his fight and I want to see him become a force to be reckoned with, but that will all come with experience in this area. I think his fights will be up and down, but in the end with more discipline and technique he has a good shot at being a great fighter.
Fedor Emelianenko MMA instructional DVD- July 28, 2008 at 3:38 pm
No disrespect for Lesnar, but I can't see this fight ending any other way than Heath winning by way of KO.