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Brockwatch 2011: MMA World Can Hardly Wait to Leave Lesnar for Dead

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A whole new year, a whole new Brockwatch. After spending part of 2009-10 waiting with bated breath to see if Brock Lesnar’s body would eat itself from the inside out, it now appears that we’ll at least begin 2011 wondering aloud if the notoriously fickle slab of beef will ever fight in the UFC again. Initial reports do not look good. Company President Dana White all but admitted he had no idea what was going on with Brock a couple weeks back and the latest news from wrestling guru Dave Meltzer indicates that Lesnar hasn’t been returning the boss’ phone calls and maybe hasn’t trained a single day since that soul-crushing beatdown by Cain Velasquez at UFC 121 brought “Brocktober” to a screeching halt a week early.

The smug indignation is thick in the air of the blogodome right now, friends. Frankly, it seems like the MMA world can’t fucking wait to stick a fork in the moldering corpse of Lesnar’s legitimate fighting career and declare him the most overhyped, overly-muscled windbag since, well, Kimbo Slice. Clearly, we are all taking unseemly, but totally understandable glee in the idea that he might turn tail and slink back to professional wrestling after getting his ass handed to him by Velasquez. C’mon though, obviously nobody (except maybe Sable) likes Brock Lesnar, but the sober realist in us has to ask: Aren’t we getting a little bit ahead of ourselves here?

If it is in fact true that Lesnar isn’t taking Big DW’s calls and that he hasn’t rounded up the boys for a group backslapping sesh down at the DeathClutch gym, doesn’t that just mean Lesnar is doing exactly what he said he was going to do win, lose or draw after the Velasquez fight? That being, take a bunch of time off to kill shit in the Minnesota hills and assumedly spend some time with his former prowrestler wife and future prowrestler baby. Shouldn’t we wait for this whole scenario to play out before we totally bury the guy?

Truth is, we can’t, because we’re all so fascinated by everything this man – this enormous jackass, both literally and figuratively – does or does not do. And really, doesn’t that say more about us and our status as unrepentant fanboys than it does about Brock Lesnar?

Word is Lesnar isn’t terribly interested in accepting anything resembling a challenge in his “comeback” fight after getting undressed by Velasquez. That includes a rematch with Shane Carwin and – coupled with the rumors about his lack of training – has led to some speculation that his heart is no longer in this fighting thing and/or that he’s looking for an “exit strategy” from the UFC. Of course, there are also reports that he is on the verge of signing on to coach “TUF 13” opposite Frank Mir, that he would very much like to make a couple million dollars play fighting with The Undertaker at next year’s Wrestlemania and that he plans to take gimme fights in the last two bouts of his UFC deal in order to drive up his asking price during a potential dip into free agency.

So, what we’re saying is, like Dana (pending his “special announcement” at the UFC 125 press conference, which could well be Lesnar-to-TUF related) we really have no clue what’s going on in that massive, thick-as-a-brick cranium right now. Like we’ve said from the beginning, one of the biggest limiting factors to Brock Lesnar’s success as an MMA fighter has always been Brock Lesnar himself. At this stage in the game he’s a 280-pound, 33-year-old who has never in his life been able to hold down a job for more than a few years at a time.  It wouldn’t be surprising at all if he decided to break camp and find a slightly different vocation at the first sign of adversity in his current one. Did we mention he almost died last year? That also has a way of changing a guy’s priorities.

Also though, maybe we all ought to wait until we have some actual information before we go roasting our hot dogs on the flames of what’s left of the big fella’s career.


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cityvville- February 12, 2011 at 10:05 pm
You actually make it seem so easy with your presentation but I find this matter to be really something which I think I would never understand. It seems too complicated and very broad for me. I'm looking forward for your next post, I’ll try to get the hang of it!
mt59801- December 30, 2010 at 3:18 pm
I still want to see Roy Nelson beat the erection right off of his chest before he gets kicked out the door
ghostboner- December 30, 2010 at 2:04 am
@FBF - Missed you buddy. One of my coaches said the same thing, you can teach someone alot of things but not heart. You either have it or you don't.
ghostboner- December 30, 2010 at 2:01 am
@Canada Chronic - I think we might just have to agree to disagree on this one mate. To answer your question, right now, no, I don't think he was in too much danger. At the time, yes, I thought he was .5 seconds from doing a 1 eyed Arlovski style mat inspection. At the time I was thinking "oh sweet holy fuck that stupid dick/sword is getting his just deserts." Then after the fight I saw him and thought "well I'll be, I guess there is some heart under that phallus on his sternum." So I imagine Rosenthal was telling him that for the same reason the ref was saying it to Dan Henderson when Jake Shields was sitting on him. Cause that's what refs do when you are losing but not quite beaten.

EDIT - I compared Shane's punches to Jake Shielzzz'z punches, and for that I am sorry.

EDIT EDIT - Shane is an (alleged) roider, roid punches are measured on a different scale, apology not necessary.
BC_Bud- December 30, 2010 at 12:30 am
Really? You're comparing Lesnar to Kimbo?!
dranokills- December 29, 2010 at 11:36 pm
edhedicus Says:
Thu, 12/30/2010 - 03:53

have your eyes been closed? how can you say that he is not an amazing athelete? he is a monster of a man, and moves like a middleweight. he is extremely one dimensional and needs to join a better camp I will give you that. but with the "humbling" (I still say the fight was fixed) he got from cain, he may realize that he needs more than he can get at home.
standby, he is good for about 5 more years....
another happy delusional fanboy speaks.
Thinking a fight was "fixed" like boxing does daily is a delusional, conspiracy theorist clap trap pipe dream created by fanboys who can't handle reality.
Cock Chestnuts is done.
Dumbass Matt Hughes is a hunter as well, but he quickly set that shit aside to train for a fight he wanted with BJ Penn, unlike cock LESSnot. He isn't hunting anymore, he is at home trying his damnedest to get out of another beating from anyone else in his weightclass. If he wanted to fight or even had plans to fight he would be in a camera somewhere spouting his normal glorious amount of phlegm, and stupidity.
As for the dumbass fanboys who say " well Brock has never pissed hot", look stop talking ignorant shit like a parrot. Remember when all those baseball players never got caught , and how they always claimed innocents, and always got up and walked out if confronted by it, Brock is just like them, and when his money and his fame is no longer able to block a real investigation into his life the truth will come out and surprise all of NOBODY.......except you fanboys who believe he is just a genetic miracle. ( scoff) ...snicker, what fucking fools you are.
fatbellyfrank- December 29, 2010 at 9:27 pm
My two cents worth, I think Velasquez exposed more than a suspect ability to handle being punched in the face, cuppla things, Brock is an amazing athletic talent, however, as KidDinomite said, you cant condition your self for getting your face punched in, your either a dude who shakes it off and keeps coming, or its something that brings you undone every time. I suspect Brock is in the latter category, the nature of his defeat to Velasquez would have to have made a dent in his confidence, and maybe have him second guessing if he really wants to do this anymore.

Or, he could be hunting up in the mountains and come back badder than ever. If he truly is uncontactable hunting up in the mountains, I'm going round to his house to keep Sable company, and by company I mean nailin her sweet bod til the cows (or Brock)come home
knucklesamitch- December 29, 2010 at 7:45 pm
This is just my opinion...But a Ref telling a fighter that he "needs to work" is not an indication that said fighter is hurt, it's an indication that the fighter is turtling and doing NOTHING...In the fight with Cain, lesnar wasn't doing NOTHING, he was getting his ass beat...that's the difference between the two fights...Against Carwin he turtled up and was content to let Carwin punch himself out, taking little damage in the process...During which time the ref said multiple times to work because otherwise you're basically giving up. Against Cain he turtled and there was no need to tell him that he needed to work because he was clearly catching a beat and being hit with clean punches, hence the previously reference facegina.

I really don't understand how people cannot see the difference.
DiazBrotherFromAnotherMother- December 29, 2010 at 6:16 pm
cage potatoe:
shut the fuck up.

this used to be the best mma website which is why im still a member but now its just shitty reporting, shitty articles and shitty opinions. i dont even want to respond to this article, just keep your shitty opinions to yourselves.

Canadian Chronic- December 29, 2010 at 5:36 pm

tell me why Rosenthal would have to tell Chestner he needed to do something three different times if some of those punches weren't landing? u dont think BL was in any danger at all?

whaddya mean Jones/Hammil makes no sense? Man in superior position raining down blows for two and a half minutes, incomptent ref standing by, waiting, watchin, doin nothing

ghostboner- December 29, 2010 at 5:07 pm
@Boss - I dunno you'd have to ask Shane. As far as the premise of the question, it seems to be "Since refs have made stupid calls in the past, should people build their gameplans around the assumption that they will also benefit from a shitty call?" To which I would have to say, no.

@Canadian Chronic - The ref in the Cain fight stopped it because Brock had a giant bloody facegina and he was tapping. Just going apeshit trying to end the fight is not enough, you actually have to be doing some damage. Maybe they should have stopped the Pierson fight at the last UFC because his opponent was swinging like mad and hitting a ton of air? I can't believe you are even trying to argue this. Carwin's punches, quite obviously, did more damage to himself than they did to Brock.
Your Jones/Hammil question makes no sense.
How about instead I name a fight where someone spent 3 minutes punching someone else and did no damage (hence, no stoppage)... Carwin vs Lesnar.
edhedicus- December 29, 2010 at 4:53 pm
have your eyes been closed? how can you say that he is not an amazing athelete? he is a monster of a man, and moves like a middleweight. he is extremely one dimensional and needs to join a better camp I will give you that. but with the "humbling" (I still say the fight was fixed) he got from cain, he may realize that he needs more than he can get at home.
standby, he is good for about 5 more years....
KidDinomite- December 29, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Tell me, how does one condition oneself to be able to get punched in the face? You either are able to get punched in the face or not. You try to condition yourself to get socked in the face, you wind up like Liddell - Barely able to speak coherent sentences.
twoleftfeet- December 29, 2010 at 4:03 pm
Oh man, just for shits and giggles I checked on cains record just to compare it to brocks. Brocks first three ufc fights were mir, herring , and coture. Cains first three ufc fights are brad morris, jake obrien, and denis stonjic. I know a lot of the brock hate had to do with the resentment of oh this guy comes from the wwe ands doesn't earn his shot. But I think those fights as your first three should have put that to rest. Yes, brock is one dimensional. But he can still beat any other heavyweight at any given time. To me that deserves some respect. Yep he was pretty douchey with his words and actions his first few fights, but it seems he's learned that this isn't The wwe and has been pretty respectfull lately. And the steriod thing, well he has never pissed hot, nor is he linked to a dr that has sold steriods. I don't fault anyone for being suspicious because of his frame and the wwe thing, but innocent untill proven guilty.
tmanifold- December 29, 2010 at 3:49 pm
For coolness under fire Google severn vs taktarov. Big nog is a close second.
Smitty- December 29, 2010 at 3:25 pm
@ bossnasty
You said "The rest of you flip floppin bitches are lame."
Then you said "I couldn't stand Brock until he beat Carwin, and I was going for Velasquez but must admit I'm a Brock fan."
Everyone is entitled to flip floppin, and a lot of people do, but if you're one of em, I don't think you should be knockin people for doin it. Just sayin dog.
El Guapo- December 29, 2010 at 3:23 pm
He's going to Strikeforce if he doesn't start including sparring as part of his training regimen. Lots of sparring. Lots and LOTS of sparring.

Seriously. Brock is bigger, stronger and more athletic than most (if not all) of his opponents. He also a great wrestler. He just needs to condition himself to take a punch to the face. It's not like he has an Arslovski chin or he can't take a barrage of punches. Carwin and El Racist wailed away on him and he didn't tap. But hit him in the mouth and damned if he won't turtle up every time.
newdeal- December 29, 2010 at 3:16 pm
So Lesnar is doing exactly what he said he was going to do and go hunting. In case you have never been hunt camps are in the middle of nowhere and there are no phones. Lesnaer is already not connected so its of no surprise he hasnt called anyone back when he is out hunting with no access to any sort of communication device
twoleftfeet- December 29, 2010 at 3:09 pm
he isn't going anywhere. he's got two fights left. good day to you sir
dranokills- December 29, 2010 at 3:03 pm
twoleftfeet Says:
Thu, 12/30/2010 - 01:52

@ chronic. Oops I did everything except answer your question. I don't think brock was intelligently defending himself, but carwins punches were not landing and ran out of steam. @ draino. Brock said he's sorry he stole your lunch money
oh dude the only thing brock ever stole was YOUR heart, you are so blind and in love with him.
Brock never meant dog shit to me until he stuck his undeserving roided nose in my favorite sport and become the blemish on it. Now that pimple will go away, and hopefully take all his lovers with him.
another words: EAT A BAG OF DICKS!
MonsterMaulingAss- December 29, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Like him or not, Brock is a reputable fighter, and i believe in Cain Velasquez to be the owner of the throne for a while.

I would rather see anthony pettis opposite of the ufc lightweight champ for next seasons tuf, lets get this title unification thing rollin. Also have them coach featherweights for insane DBZ lvl fights.
twoleftfeet- December 29, 2010 at 2:52 pm
@ chronic. Oops I did everything except answer your question. I don't think brock was intelligently defending himself, but carwins punches were not landing and ran out of steam. @ draino. Brock said he's sorry he stole your lunch money
Clyde- December 29, 2010 at 2:46 pm
I have to agree with fightmiracle on this. It's not fair to call him overhyped. Brock came on the scene, and apart from the slip up with Mir (which despite what some of you will say, is not exactly an easy fight for your second forray into this whole MMA thing), beat everyone put in front of him convincingly.

Yeah, he go beaten up by Carwin, but he came back and won the fight. Then he lost to Velasquez, and suddenly people act like he was always shit and didn't stand a chance against anyone in the top 10? I don't think he will ever be regarded as one of the greatest champions in the sport... but how many people truly think that there's a huge list of heavyweights who could do what Cain and Carwin (for the first round) did to Brock?

Staying upright is no easy trick after getting hit by a train.
dranokills- December 29, 2010 at 2:35 pm
like I said several post topics down, MMA News broke this report already.
I 100% agree with it, I don't think its speculation, I don't think we should wait, I don't think it's unfounded to roast marshmallows on the flames of his so called MMA career.
We aren't talking about a REAL fighter, we are not talking about a dedicated mixed martial artists who trained their whole life and made this their very core A.K.A Chuck Liddell,nooooo we are talking about a spoilled rotten roided headed freak who jumps from sport to sport to sport on a whim. His own track record proves what kinda person he is, and what kinda so-called athlete he is. His interviews tell us what kinda person he is inside, it shows his education level, it shows his morals, it shows his id, ego, and super ego. There is no mistake, there is no comparison, and all the fanboys in the world can ignore the facts or whitewash over them with stats, and bullshit talk all they want. This is a man who used his weight, his roided out muscle mass, and his basic genetic background, bastardized it, and used them to his advantage. he has beat nobody. he beat an underweight, overaged randy Couture, he got lucky and the ref didnt stop the beating carwin put on him, only to see carwin gas out enough for brock to use his weight to hold him down and choke him out. there has NOT been a fight yet that Brock has out struck, "out technical-ised", out planned, or did anything remotely mixed martial artsy, except a side choke. face it, every fighter remotely as big or as strong has taken him down and beat him a new face. Only carwin gassed, no one else including Mir could match his size or strength, and those fighters all paid for it.
If Brock fought GSP or BJ penn or even anderson silva he could grab them hold them down and HAM-fist them into retard land, THAT is all he has. That does not make him a great champion, that does not make him a MMA star. The fact he can put asses in seats to watch this train wreck of a man fight and perhaps get his head cut open and watch him bleed does not make him a real fighter. The facts are simple Brock lesner is NOT a real fighter, he is a freak show, whether you think he is gods gift to MMA or you have a dose of reality like me and realize he is what he is, and that ain't much.
The little unknown guy fighting first on the undercard who nobody cares about, nobody will see ,unless there is time to fill on the PPV, that guy is a real fighter. We all know deep down in our hearts THAT guy will do his job, win or lose and keep doing it till we pay attention, but Brock lesner is a big name attention whore and fickle fans only care about who brings the heat...who rings the emotional bell, and thats why Cock chestner is a has-been and will fade into obscurity after his 3 ring circus majorly roided out body fails on him and he can no longer be the "monster" he thinks he should be.
twoleftfeet- December 29, 2010 at 2:31 pm
uh...Thompson vs kimbo. not sure if that makes a point or not but. you asked. I'd have to see them back to back, but I thought that both the Cain and carwim fights were well reffed. I'd be willing to bet the carwin fight was a cunt hair away from being stopped. I seem to also recall an interview with herb Dean in which he said that fight was well reffed, if that means anything to you.