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CagePotato Roundtable #5: If You Could Make One Change to the Unified Rules of MMA, What Would It Be?


(“From now on, all preliminary card fighters will be required to slam four shots of tequila before the start of each round.”)

After a one-week resting period, the CagePotato Roundtable is back up in that ass with another spirited debate. Today’s topic is “If you could make one change to the Unified Rules of MMA, what would it be?” Sitting in this week is Potato Nation comment-section all-star Nathan Smith (aka The12ozCurls) — and since it’s his first time, we’ll make the new guy go first. If you have a topic-suggestion for a future Roundtable column, please send it to tips@cagepotato.com, and shoot us your own MMA rule-change suggestions in the comments section…

Nathan “The12OzCurls” Smith
One of the reasons we love the sport of MMA is the absolute reality that a fight can end in the blink of an eye. We have all held off taking a leak or grabbing another beer until the end of a round because we all know that in the 30-90 seconds that we step away from the screen, the fight could be over. It has happened to all of us. You figure the last minute of the round is going to be uneventful just like the four minutes prior. You get up to snag another High Life and then you hear the collective “OOOOOHHHHHHHHH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” from the roomful of friends that have gathered in your man-cave garage to watch the latest UFC.

So I ask: How could it get better? Answer: By adding another way to win a fight in the blink of an eye, that is more painful than a Paul Harris ankle lock and more powerful than a 2005 Iceman overhand right.

I would change the rule that states that it is illegal to “intentionally throw your opponent out of the cage/ring.” Now let me preface this by saying it has to be a cage because pushing somebody over the top rope is for guys like Brock and Hillbilly Jim. Not only would I make chucking your opponent out of the Octagon legal, I would propose that you automatically win if you are able to successfully achieve that feat.

I understand why this rule was implemented back in the stone ages of MMA: A) Because of the “open weight” format where dudes were typically outweighed by 50 to 500 lbs (see Keith Hackney vs. Emanuel Yarborough @ UFC 3), and B) because there were huge dudes with little to no training that were just plain batshit crazy (see Scott Ferrozzo @ UFC 8, 11 & 12).

Tank Abbott actually tried it back in 1996 at Ultimate Ultimate when the scrappy Cal Worsham was actually getting the better of the stand-up action during the opening seconds of their quarterfinal bout. Once Tank was able to get a hold of Worsham, he picked him up over his head and literally tried to heave him into the 3rd row of Birmingham, Alabama mouth-breathers in what appeared to be a bingo hall. But alas, Worsham held on to Tank’s head and the potential for the most awesome highlight in MMA history was thwarted.

Now that there are weight classes and the two fighters are at least similar in size — unless your opponent is Anthony Johnson — the feasibility of a guy actually heaving another man out of the cage has all but disappeared. (Though you can tell that Matt Hughes’s mind was heading in that direction against Carlos Newton.) So if it is damn near impossible to actually pull off, why not abolish the rule and give the fighters and the audience one more option for potential fireworks? We live for the “Holy Shit” moments of MMA, and what could possibly compare to a title changing hands when the champion is muscled overhead and Frisbee-d out of the Octagon?

I’m sure the rule will never change and even if it did, it’s hard to see it ever being put to use. But what if…what if?

“OOOOOOOOOOOOOH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

You would have to watch every UFC wearing an adult diaper with a full cooler beside you because you would never get up during a fight ever again.

Doug “ReX13” Richardson

If I could change one thing about the Unified Rules, it would be to get rid of the senseless “12 to 6″ elbow rule. The strike is no more damaging than one from another angle and it’s hard to officiate consistently, so what’s the argument for having such a rule?

Long, long ago (UFC 8), Gary “Big Daddy” Goodridge murdered a poor, gentle soul named Paul Herrera with a succession of elbows so terrifyingly violent that white people everywhere shut the fuck up about rap music and started being afraid of ultimate fighting. Herrera had tried a fireman’s carry, but wound up trapped in a Goodridge crucifix that surprised everyone involved. Goodridge paused a moment before unleashing a string of twelve billion of the angriest elbow strikes you’ve ever seen in the space of four seconds, scrambling Herrera’s emotional cortex and his ability to roll his Rs (a fate worse than death for a guy named “Herrera”).

The Association of Boxing Commissions (average age: dirt) saw this fight and soiled their Depends, and not even that nice boy Jon Jones can change their minds about the danger of elbows coming “from the ceiling to the floor.” Jones, of course, suffered a disqualification loss to Matt Hamill at the TUF 10 Finale, due to a combination of the silly 12-6 rule and the power of Steve “The ‘Stache” Mazzagatti to fuck up any fight, any time (but Mazz is a story for a different time).

Perhaps the best argument against the rule is that I’m still not quite sure what exactly is the wrong way to elbow somebody: Is it literally “ceiling to floor”, meaning an elbow is illegal if it follows the path of gravity straight down? Or is it 12-6 relative to the fighter throwing the elbow — from head to toes? Even watching fighters get warned or disqualified doesn’t help; it seems referees themselves don’t agree on how this rule should be interpreted.

Do we really need a rule so arbitrary, so capricious? No. So yeah, I’d definitely 86 the 12-6 elbow rule if I could change the Unified Rules.

Plus I’d move to allow knees on the ground. And add a cruiserweight division.

And whatever it was that Nick Diaz tested positive for, legalize that.

Fuck it, soccer kicks too.

“Suga” Chris Colemon

19. “The use of abusive language in the fighting area”

There are so many things to love about talking shit, but one of my favorite aspects of this unheralded art is the way it hurts people’s feelings.

I realize that MMA is a sport, not a soap opera, and that at the end of the day the most important factor in a fight is the skill of the combatants involved in the scrap, but all things being equal I’ll take a side of animosity to go with my ground-and-pound.

Why they ever forebade in-cage smack talk is beyond me. We’ve refined and restricted the act of fighting into a neatly packaged spectator sport, but when you boil things down there’s still a lot of emotion that goes into a fist fight. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy the professional demeanor of your GSP’s and Couture’s, but if I have to choose between 15 minutes of bowing and bro-hugs or watching two rabid, snarling fighters baring their teeth, I’m going with the dog fight all day.

Every fighter believes in his skills, but to tell your opponent that you’re going to fuck him up mid-fight and dare him to stop you really ups the ante. Succeed and you come off looking like a boss; fail and you come off looking like a tool. So I implore you, athletic commissions, let the fighters jaw all they want; their fists end up doing the real talking anyway.

Jared Jones

I’ve had it up to my eyeballs with the preferential treatment wrestlers receive in the sport of MMA. Not only are takedowns ranked next to Godliness as far as the judging criteria goes, but these sons of bitches are completely protected from a maneuver that is nothing short of dog shit in the real world. I’m talking about dropping to your knee, people. Sexual connotations aside, dropping to your knee or knees gets you killed in the streets, and the fact that wrestlers are allowed to use this flaw in the rules as a means for stalling fight after fight drives me fucking bananas. If a fighter has the fear of getting kneed into oblivion by his opponent while attempting their billionth sloppy takedown, then perhaps he would be a little more hesitant to essentially take the fight out of fighting. Hell, we might even see guys like Jon Fitch and Jake Shields try to engage on the feet, but perhaps I’m getting ahead of myself.

Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate the grappling aspect of MMA as much as the next guy, unless the next guy is Melvin Guillard of course, but this “no knees to a downed opponent” nonsense is about as blatant a case of nepotism in the MMA rule book as I have ever seen. If fighters were allowed to knee the head of a downed opponent, matches like Munoz/Okami, Hughes/Serra, and Brookins/Koch would have played out a lot differently. Mainly, they wouldn’t have sucked ass.

It’s as simple as this; mixed martial arts competition, at least in my opinion, is supposed to be held on a level playing field. Each form of fighting has its upsides and its pitfalls, which is why a given fighter must have more than one tool in his arsenal if he is to succeed in the sport nowadays. And allowing wrestlers to shoot for a takedown from halfway across the cage then intentionally hit the deck with no fear of a counter-attack inherently destroys that concept. Imagine not being able to punch Rousimar Palhares while he was diving for a life-shattering leglock, and you’d begin to understand how bullshit this rule is.

“No knees to a downed opponent” puts forth the notion that a given fighter doesn’t need to have even half-decent standup as long as they can hug their opponent for three rounds and take home a decision based on some warped idea of “octagon control.” Tito Ortiz will tell you the downside of having shit standup, and if that isn’t proof enough, just rewatch the TUF 15 preliminary fight between James Vick and Dakota Cochrane and tell me that that fight wouldn’t have ended within the first minute if Vick was allowed to throw some knees. The fear of God back needs to be put into these takedown artists, these lay-n-prayers, and these flip-floppers once and for all, and there’s only one way to do it.

Ben Goldstein

As much as I appreciate Jared’s dream to turn every UFC fight into a grisly re-creation of Arona vs. Sakuraba, I think it makes more sense to simply re-define what “grounded” means in MMA. There’s something very un-sporting — and really freakin’ dangerous — about soccer-kicking or kneeing a man in the head when he’s down, and I have no problem with that remaining illegal. But while some fighters unfairly game the system by dropping to a knee when they’re about to eat one in the face, it’s also currently allowable to simply put your hand down to escape a thrashing.

The worst recent example of this came during Rampage Jackson vs. Ryan Bader at UFC 144; click the image above and skip to the 4:58 mark. As you’ll see, Bader secures a clinch that places Rampage’s head in a very vulnerable spot. After Bader slams a knee up the middle, Jackson tags the mat with his left hand, effectively calling a time-out on getting his ass beat. With his options now limited, Bader decides to shoot for a single, and loses the position that could have — should have — ended the fight right then and there. That’s garbage, folks, and in my opinion, it’s the single biggest flaw in the unified rules. Two clarifications…

- Being on one knee should still count as a grounded safe-zone for fighters, but dropping there intentionally (as Jared described) should be treated as a violation of the current rule against timidity. It’s not a “wise” strategy, as Mike Goldberg claimed during the Rampage/Bader fight. It’s the very definition of “avoiding contact,” and referees should start giving warnings and point-deductions as soon as they see it happening.

- Upkicks should be allowed whether the recipient is technically grounded or not. The grounding rule is intended to prevent fighters from taking devastating head trauma from opponents who are on top of them, not to prevent amazing shit from happening.

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dranokills- April 6, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Actually Ben Goldstein was the only one who got it right.
sorry rexy bud but you need to rethink all that. the 12 to 6 is very bad, and when you have a downed person and you are dropping elbows on a head On the mat you are asking for brain damage. Think about it, the head laying on the mat has nowhere to go, you drop an elbow down and the force is doubled. as apposed a person standing up, you elbow them, sure it will cut em, but the force can move the head to one side or even up and down, its not as bad. same thing with kicks to the head of downed opponent......it could be as bad as busting a watermelon, and there is no need for that.
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superflat- April 6, 2012 at 4:08 pm
I agree with Goldstein. Essentially the refs need to start agressively enforcing the timidity rule. I would add that a fighter should be penalized (or just lose) when exposing the back of his head. In my mind this is worse than taking a knee. But what happens instead? We see fighters losing points for punching the back of the head. If that's the only area exposed to the agressor, the penalty should fall on the vulnerable fighter.
BaghdadBob- April 6, 2012 at 12:39 pm
What Nathan “The12OzCurls” Smith wrote above is perhaps the stupidest thing I have ever read. Amen to what Jared Jones says though.
The12ozCurls- April 6, 2012 at 1:32 pm
I can be way stupider than that Bob - gimme a chance, I will continue to disappoint you. BTW, is that you JJ? Lol.
DangadaDang- April 7, 2012 at 7:42 am
Sorry, 12oz, I can't even figure out how to switch my username back to J. Jones yet, let alone create another.
NinjaVanish- April 6, 2012 at 11:03 am
Koch would have murdered Brookins regardless, Brookins wanted nothing to do with Koch in that fight, and just tried to hug him to death.

Dakota Cochrane got choked out in the first round by Cliff Wright last weekend, who took the fight on 6 days notice. Goes to show you being a wrestler dosen't always guarantee a win.
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RwilsonR- April 6, 2012 at 9:06 am
Unfortunately, they simply won't allow 12oz's rule change to become a reality for fear that the Ultimate Warrior will return from parts unknown and start throwing fighters out of the cage left and right.
Viva Hate- April 6, 2012 at 8:58 am
Great article. Rex got it right.
The_Dead_Cow- April 6, 2012 at 8:47 am
I would deduct a point for any instance of cage grabbing. No warnings.........Great article guys, CPRT is the shit.
RSparrow- April 6, 2012 at 8:30 am
I think that at a certain time in a boring fight, a random object gets thrown in the cage... Something small, and strange, like a stapler... Whoever can get to it now has a crazy little weapon. That's what's up.
The12ozCurls- April 6, 2012 at 8:54 am
THUNDERDOME!
Fletch the V Stretch- April 6, 2012 at 8:30 am
Great job guys. @12 oz - Yours was well written and a nice comical release for a Friday. Never thought of that rule but it makes sense. I would definitely shit my pants. How did 12 oz become "Potato Nation comment-section all-star"??? I might have to throw him out of the Octagon and take that strap.
The12ozCurls- April 6, 2012 at 8:53 am
I am fatter than Scott Ferrozzo. So unless you can chuck full beer kegs 60 ft. in the air like Magnus Ver Magnusson than I think you are screwed. Just kidding, I am not that fat. lol. Thanks for the love Fletch - I thought I might get crucified like JJ for actually writing a piece for CP -but so far so good. But it is still early too and the winds of shit could still blow my way.
Fletch the V Stretch- April 6, 2012 at 9:14 am
Haha, gotta watch out for those winds of shit..
DangadaDang- April 6, 2012 at 9:11 am
Don't worry, 12oz, it's coming. Even if I have to invent an alternate account to trash you, it's coming.
Fletch the V Stretch- April 6, 2012 at 9:15 am
Haha, bet you won't...
Get Off Me- April 6, 2012 at 8:20 am
Been saying this for years on here already...fighters get stood up if they do not advance past full guard inside 60 seconds...This will curtail lay n' pray, offer more action and help clarify who wins/loses rounds. One takedown a round will no longer be enough to win a round...I have heard Dana say on TUF live that fighters must advance on the ground "is that not the rule?" and we have seen cases Belfort/Johnson where this is too quickly applied and cases Woodley/Mein where this is not applied at all...this needs to be changed, everything else above in the round table is secondary.
CrushCo- April 6, 2012 at 8:20 am
Oh, so I'm 'Suga' now, am I? Very well then.
Fried Taco- April 6, 2012 at 8:06 am
I agree with JJ and BG. Part of fighting is protecting yourself from taking damage. Hiding behind a rule is not real protection. The rules should encourage fighting, not avoidance.
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Fletch the V Stretch- April 6, 2012 at 8:30 am
Spot on Taco.
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