MMA Fighter Challenges People to Punch Him in the Face, Everyone Fails

Cain Velasquez Says Fallon Fox Shouldn’t Be Allowed to Fight Women; Fox’s Prospective Opponents Seem to Agree


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With all of the controversy surrounding the career of transgender MMA fighter Fallon Fox, it should come as little surprise that reporters have been asking athletes — regardless of their sexes — for their take on whether or not she should be allowed to fight. The latest fighter to voice his opinion on the controversial competitor is none other than UFC Heavyweight champion Cain Velasquez, who isn’t as open to the idea of allowing Fox to fight against other women as some of us are.

Like many people, Velasquez believes that Fox holds an unfair advantage over her competition, and should only be allowed to fight other transgender athletes. Via MMAFighting:

“I don’t think she should be able to fight women,” Velasquez flatly responded when asked about Fox at a recent media luncheon.

“Having the same bone structure and everything else as a man, I think definitely does give her an advantage.”

“Maybe have a separate [division], I guess,” the UFC heavyweight champion finished. “I don’t know. But I don’t think that’s fair.”

Even though the champion’s comments don’t exactly bring any new ideas to the discussion, they’re interesting due to their timing. Over the course of the past week, Fox has seen one opponent withdraw from an upcoming CFA featherweight tournament bout against her, and her proposed replacement opponent holding off on signing the bout agreement. Her initial semifinal adversary — a 6’1” female named Peggy “The Daywalker” Morgan — has made it very clear that she backed out under the belief that she is at an unfair disadvantage. After discussing her decision on Inside MMA, she has since released a follow-up statement through Relentless Sports Marketing, which includes the following passage:

[Fallon Fox] claims that any woman who refuses to fight her is really just scared. This is absolutely delusional. Before the news of Fallon’s sexual reassignment broke, I remember watching her warm up for her March 2nd fight and wondering how she’d finished all her opponents so quickly. I mean, she looked okay, but she definitely didn’t display the sort of technical mastery she claims to possess.

Ultimately, I do not think there is sufficient hard evidence to show that Fallon does not have physical advantages over the women she has fought. I understand why people are advocating for Fallon and I appreciate that it is important to protect her rights, but I think it should be just as important to protect the safety of the other women in the tournament. Until I am presented with conclusive evidence that a fight with Fallon would, in fact, be fair, I will not be entering the cage with her.

For what it’s worth, Fox not only posted a rebuttal to Morgan’s statements on Sunday, but an even longer, far more detailed one to her Facebook page on Wednesday — both of which seem to miss Morgan’s point entirely. Essentially, they both argue that Morgan has no right to complain about unfair advantages when she’s a 6’1” woman. Of course, the difference here is that Morgan didn’t elect to have surgery to make herself taller.

As of writing this, CFA has announced that Allana Jones will sub in for Morgan, but Jones has opted to wait until April 5th to decide whether or not she’ll sign the bout agreement. While Fox’s management might not be acting too concerned, the recent news surrounding their fighter’s medical history appears to be affecting their ability to find opponents for Fox. Regardless of what the Florida State Boxing Commission decides about her license, Fox won’t have a long career if other women aren’t willing to fight her.

At this rate, the proposed wrestling match against Hulk Hogan may be more likely to come to fruition than we originally assumed.

@SethFalvo

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rangerrexxx- March 31, 2013 at 10:24 am
Meant transgender man fight a man... So confusing. )
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ArmFarmer- March 30, 2013 at 8:37 am
How much of a blind libtard do you have to be to argue in favor of a man making a career out of knocking out women... He's a man. He's had his penis mutilated to somewhat resemble a vagina, and he's been pumped with drugs that made him grow boobs.. but he's still a man. This is what happens when your brain runs on politically correct bullshit.. you start doing insane things like defending a mans right to punch a woman in the face..
macreadysshack- March 30, 2013 at 8:36 am
Great link, Pen. This article confirms (as much as one source can) what I only suspected. I'm also curious about number of muscle fibers ... I think there are two ways to build muscle mass - hypertrophy, which I understand is just the normal enlargement of individual fibers caused by the fiber's reaction to the stress of resistance activity and the second, creation of more muscle fibers. I think the latter is triggered hormonally and I'd like to know the difference between actual creation of muscle fibers between men and women and whether the actual number of fibers can ever regress. I think Amsterdam Heavy might have something to add about this since he knows as much or more about hormone therapy than I do. You out there, man?

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/3/20/4128658/dr-ramona-krutzik-endocrinologist-discusses-possible-advantages-fallon-fox-has
Thumblaster- March 30, 2013 at 6:35 am
People are fucking retards, if fighting for tranny's rights make you feel like s better person so be it. But to deny the fact that this thing was born a dude ( cock, balls,testosterone,bone structure)just because dr. nick riviera lopped off his junk and pumped it full of hormones DOES NOT make this thing a real woman. If you bang it will it have kids? If it hangs around the same real woman will it's cycle coincide? Just because for whatever reason this dude thinks he's as chick does'nt give him the right to punch real women in the face. Thats chris browns job.
Pen Fifteen- March 29, 2013 at 11:11 pm
@macready
And, to Shunick's original point, all we've seen is a bunch of handwaving arguments that "obviously" it isn't fair for a transgender women to fight other women. There are many ways to approach this (e.g. medical research, precedents in other sports, regulatory specifics on licensing, etc.), and absolutely none of them are being invoked by the anti-Fox side.

Instead of relying on arguments that invoke the "obvious" difference between men and women, it'd be nice to see someone here cite medical fact. See, for example, this: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/3/20/4128658/dr-ramona-krutzik-endocrinologist-discusses-possible-advantages-fallon-fox-has
macreadysshack- March 29, 2013 at 9:11 pm
Actually, Autumn, bitches can fight quite well. Some bitches got wicked armbars, some bitches can throw some handgrenades. In context it appears that you were trying to insult using a feminine derogatory. Kinda undermines your whole bullshit, no? Were you being ironic? Wrong crowd, kiddo. Keep saving up and maybe you can beat up chicks all nice and legal, too.
macreadysshack- March 29, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Autumn, in case you missed it - the main issue here is not whether this person has 'M' or 'F' on their driver's license. The issue is whether this person's physiology developed as a man or woman. I'm not an expert but I do require a SHITLOAD more proof that developing as a man doesn't make a significant difference in a human body's capability to deal or absorb damage. Until that question is answered adaquately, how can we, in good conscience, condone transgender competition in COMBAT sports? I certainly cannot.
macreadysshack- March 29, 2013 at 8:43 pm
Sorry, Mr Misanthropy ... I just feel drawn here like a moth to poop. Wait.
Mr_Misanthropy- March 29, 2013 at 8:05 pm
I know I'm one to talk but where do some of these weirdos that find this site come from? It's like a fucking freak magnet around here.
mma4ever- March 29, 2013 at 7:54 pm
Hit the bricks panzy
mma4ever- March 29, 2013 at 7:53 pm
If u reverse the ot on bigoted u get bigtoed which is what u would get ...miss autumn sir.
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autumn- March 29, 2013 at 7:43 pm
No, I'm saying she is legally a woman and has every right that any other woman has. The individual fighters can chose not to fight her but they will not be able to keep her out of competitions because it is unlawful and the entire basis to keep her out is based on bigoted thinking like that expressed here.

And you fight like a bitch putting words in people's mouths.
danomite- March 29, 2013 at 7:33 pm
so is autumn saying the other women should be forced to fight Fox? Because I'm pretty sure those girls have rights too. Like the right not to get punched in the head if they don't want to. If you think otherwise, it probably means you're a porn watching bigot.
SethF- March 29, 2013 at 7:23 pm
"MMA is not exempted from discrimination laws."

Which is why Jon Fitch can legally sue Invicta FC, because they refuse to find him a fight and _clearly_ discriminate against men...oh wait, no he can't.

Fighters are independent contractors. They aren't covered by anti-discrimination laws, so your entire "She can sue every organization that refuses to find her a fight" argument cannot possibly be further from the truth.

And as for "She can sue fighters who refuse to fight her," she'd have EVEN LESS of a case against them. Not even professional fighters are forced to sign contracts to fight someone - that's why UFC 151 was cancelled in the first place, remember? If her opponents feel they're at an unfair disadvantage and refuse to fight, they have the right to do that for literally any reason they see fit. Fox will continue to find fights because promoters will see all this controversy surrounding her and book her for publicity, but to act like Fox can sue people over the whole transgender issue is completely absurd. [/DISCUSSION]
autumn- March 29, 2013 at 6:21 pm
MMA is not exempted from discrimination laws. Eating at Burger King is a privilege and not a right too, but they don't get to exclude black people anymore than MMA gets to exclude people on the basis of gender identity. If you say it is for fighter safety, you need to put forth the evidence to justify that. Focusing on genitals and name calling will not work. You will need to establish an unfair advantage that doesn't rely on a persons gender identity. She will fight. If they could exclude her they would have by now.
autumn- March 29, 2013 at 6:15 pm
It might be "idiotic" but it is the way of things. And when you start to wonder "what the hell are they thinking" with this story as time goes on and promoters continue to let her fight at least you will know why.
Hinarf- March 29, 2013 at 6:13 pm
Why does that, "Fallon Fox," link re-direct you to THIS PAGE!?! It's on THIS PAGE!
macreadysshack- March 29, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Um, helllooo - Athletic Commissions, Autumn? Fighter safety? You seem to be taking this debate as personally as the bigots and I think it may be clouding your thinking. Yes, Fox should have all the rights everybody else has ... Guess what, though, as soon as there is a regulating body with full sanction/veto authority, the activiity ceases to be a 'right'. Sanctioned MMA fighting, at any level, is a privlidge. It may be your opinion that Fox SHOULD be sanctioned to fight as a woman but it's just childish to say that she has the right to.
Toby_Newell- March 29, 2013 at 5:27 pm
Nice to see you guys using my artwork. Thanks for the credit.
autumn- March 29, 2013 at 5:07 pm
My logic is that you could not deny a black fighter the ability to compete if they otherwise qualify on account of their race. Apart from citing her transsexual history (which is an unlawful basis to discriminate) I have yet to hear anyone say she is not qualified for some other reason.

And legally, no there's no difference between being a UFC fighter and working for hot topic. You're holding yourself out for hire and being paid for your services.
autumn- March 29, 2013 at 5:02 pm
That's not my logic at all. I didn't say every transsexual fighter gets to fight, I said that you cannot keep her our based on her transgender status. She still must meet all the other requirements and she has.
Not allowing someone to participate based only on their transsexual history is discriminating against that person because of her transgender identity.
BigDaddyD- March 29, 2013 at 5:45 pm
that's exactly the idiotic thinking of most people these days... Oh I'm being discriminated against!... No, I'm not letting you fight women because you used to have a dick. You were born a man, you're DNA says you are a man... So... you're still a man. There are NO drugs in the world that can change your DNA. You are what you are... If I go and chop off my dick and take some drugs that changes my voice does that make me a chick? no, it makes me a dick-less dude with a chick voice. Take your liberal way of thinking to a forum that wants it.
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