(Mickey Rourke prepares for his next role.)
The Natural and Minotauro — two legendary heavyweight champions whose last performances had fans wondering if their days of competing at the sport’s highest level were over. But later this year, one of them will triumph once again. MMA Weekly breaks it:
At 45 years of age, Randy Couture’s shelf life as a pro fighter has become extremely limited. But to me, his loss to Brock Lesnar last November only proved that he shouldn’t be in the cage with guys who are 50 pounds bigger than him. And as much as Couture vs. Nogueira is a fan’s dream-match, it’s too bad that Couture still insists on competing as a heavyweight, where he’s now at a size disadvantage against everyone else in the division.
As for Nogueira, he looked much older than his 32 years during his loss to Frank Mir in December, where he was completely outboxed and had nothing to offer offensively; the noticeable decline in Big Nog’s reaction time stood as a very bad omen for his future fights. Both Nogueira and Couture are talented enough to rebound strongly from their last losses, but the guy who loses this one might be taking a big step towards retirement. Randy may not be interested in competing as a middle-of-the-card fighter, and if Nogueira no longer has his famous durability to rely on, he’ll be a sitting duck against younger, more energetic heavyweights.
But hey, let’s not get too gloomy just yet. This is the fight that should have happened a year ago, when Randy was estranged from the UFC. Better late than never, right?
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Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:13
lovely
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:14
FIRST! oh shit how sweet it is
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:15
I'm not mad at you. I'm just disappointed.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:16
DAMN!!!!
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:18
too bad they couldn't put this together for 100. randy should be at 100!
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:20
i like them both. too bad one has to lose.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:22
if Randy loses this fight, he might be part of another group of "Expendables"...
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:25
Randy will be ready. You can tell from the photo above that he has already started the Chuck Liddell ab workout.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:26
Nog's durability won't matter either way if the refs keep stopping the fights as soon as someone gets dropped. Also wasn't there a rumor that Nog was sick for the Mir fight?
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:26
Not to take anything away from Frank's performance, but I believe the Nog and Mir's fight was stopped prematurely. There has a numerous times in the past where Nog looked dazed and came out with the "V"...I just feel that the ref should have let the fight go longer.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:26
I'm gonna bet on Randy for this one. He's just so smart when he's fighting. Plus based on their last performances, Randy was doing a whole lot better. By their movements and speed, they could've easily swtched ages. I'm a huge Noguiera fan, and maybe he really was in terrible condition fighting off that staph infection, but he looked sooo different. I love them both, but I see Randy taking this.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:28
As a huge Big Nog fan, even I have to admit that the fight was not stopped early. He was out. He didn't even argue with the ref. He was getting outboxed like crazy. I almost just wanted his corner to throw in the towel bc he had no answer for Mir's boxing. Ugh. That was so hard to watch.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:30
Yawn
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:31
On another note, I don't like how as soon as a guy loses a fight he's all of a sudden passed his prime, not the fighter he use to be, too old ect. It really takes away from the guy that beats them like Mir and Lesnar. I don't think just because someone loses it means they aren't as good as they use to be, just that their opponent was better. I hate to start this stupid debate, but people seem to say this a lot about the pride guys that aren't doing so well anymore. Maybe it's because pride wasn't a level above the ufc like so many nuthuggers like to think? I think pride just had that appearance because of mismatches, rules differences, and the emphasis on being exciting over technical.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:31
A good example of what I mean is cro cop. I don't think cro cop is that much of a different fighter now than he was in pride, I just think he was rediculously overrated.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:31
But LOL at the caption! :)
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:33
Fedor. Enough said.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:35
if crocop was overrated, so was timmy and arlovski. that's 3 ufc heavyweight championships between the 2, and they lasted less then one 5min round together against emelianenko. just saying.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:36
I agree with you that he was out, but I feel Nog would have still pulled guard and recovered. Like Frank said, "He's like Frankenstein..."
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:36
I am small.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:42
The elephant in the room when it comes to debating former Pride fighters performances in the UFC is drug testing. The UFC has it, Pride, not so much.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:43
^ yea it is. Mine is huge though.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:49
so much has changed in the past few years in this sport that watching old pride videos might make someone feel that former pride fighters aren't as skilled ufc ones. for instance, look at rampage. ufc rampage would kill pride rampage bc he is so much more skilled. even rashad now would kill the tuf rashad. one shouldn't watch the ufc of now and compare it to the quality of pride of then. at prides peak, their fighters were much more talented than the fighters of the ufc. eg: chuck getting pummelled by a one-dimensional page. the quality of fighters is increasing dramatically as the sport is becoming more mainstream. fighters (good fighters) are doing everything they can to improve their capabilities in many different martial arts.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:51
Big Nog had just gotten over a staph infection at the Mir fight, so let's not count him out.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:55
Yeah. I think Nog's got a good chance but anything can happen. Although I think with the way refs have been stopping fights a little on the early side lately, Randy might GnP his way to a TKO stoppage.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:55
Even though Nog supposed wasn't 100%, I'm not gonna take anything away from Mir because he looks sharp and his performance was excellent. I hope he knocks out Lesnar.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:58
I believe Nog will win against Randy...
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:58
Arlovski got caught, he isn't overrated. I really think he would have won if he had half a brain and stuck to the plan. Tim Sylvia... no one's arguing with you on that one.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 12:59
Both of these guys are "the Expendables" of the UFC....Who really cares about these guys, Randy couldn't beat Brock, Nog couldn't beat Mir, what is the point of having these guys fight each other?
Thu, 02/26/09 - 01:08
before fedor took on arlovski, he was 28 wins with no real loses. fedor doesn't catch people, he hits them. hard. arlovski is a very talented fighter. one of the best heavyweights of all time. but saying he got caught, is an insult to fedor's striking abilities. the fight was way too short to say that fedor was in trouble. there have been many fighters who have been a bigger threat to fedor. fedor wasn't ever in any trouble. he lured arlovski in, and knocked him out before he was even able to hit the canvas. even if arlovski stuck with his gameplan, fedor would've also stuck with his his own gameplan, and that was hitting arlovski on his questionable chin.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 01:17
@ BIG CHRIS People care about these guys because they are living legends. Both of them have paved the way for the fighters of today. These guys were fighting before MMA was mainstream and before douchebags were wearing skull t-shirts with tribal shit all over it. Also, these 2 guys are both in the top 10 heavyweights in the world. The point of them fighting is to get move one of them back up the ladder of becoming a contender for the Heavyweight Championship. They are two extremely talented fighters. So by your logic, if Brock loses to Mir, he shouldn;t fight anymore either. One fucking lost! If everyone was expendable after one defeat, nobody would ever be able to become a legend. Nobody not named Fedor at least.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 02:06
See this is what I'm talking about... two former champions two legends in the sport two guys who are still way way better than most fighters in the division yet they lose one fight and suddenly people think they should just stop fighting. What shity shity fans... I guess according to these guys the only people who should be aloud to fight are Lyoto Machida, Fedor, and Paulo Thiago lol
Thu, 02/26/09 - 02:07
@Just Saying-Ok, fair enough...but wouldn't you want to go out on top....Why not quit while your ahead, Do any of us want to see Randy or Nog keep fighting until they wind up fighting Ross Clifton for a potential matchup with Tank Abbot in some side show match, I mean your a legend, your getting movie deals, move on to greener pastures already....there comes a time when you have done all you can in the sport, they are legends, champions, and there is nothing left to prove...move on gracefully.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 02:10
@ BIG CHRIS Who should Randy or Nog fight then? maybe, Stefan Struve? thats kinda like saying, you only get once chance to write a comment on this website, but as soon as you write somthing stupid your out..............i guess you better grab a seat Chris.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 02:16
but they still have a lot to offer the sport. and they stick around bc they love it. big nog and randy losing once doesnt justify comparing them to ken or tank. tank is on no ones legends list and ken hasn't beaten any credible opponents in years. big difference.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 02:25
All I am saying is know when to retire gracefully, that's all. Couture is pushing 50 and Nog can barely talk without slurring...I am not saying this out of direspect for them, or because I don't beleive in their abilities, they are bad dudes with nothing to prove to no one....The sport of MMA owes a lot to them, but when is it time to hang it up. I am not comparing these guys to Ken and tank at all.... But Ken loves the sport too, so he says, so does that mean he keeps getting in there and getting hit in the head until his eyes are even more crooked then they already are??
Thu, 02/26/09 - 02:28
It's called English as a Second Language. LOL. Wandy slurs too!
Thu, 02/26/09 - 02:34
@ Anonymous - I concur.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 02:35
People, Minotauro is only 32yrs old. Y'all are acting like he's 50 and over the hill. He still has a few years left in him - despite getting smacked in the head too many times.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 02:55
well all the cool kids were doing it!
Thu, 02/26/09 - 02:56
Seriously Nog is not that old and randy hasn't shown any sign that he's too old to fight. Randy comes out of retirement and dominates the 6'8 265lb hw champion for 5 5 minute rounds straight, beating him at every single aspect. He did the same with Gonazaga who is a legit hw himself and much larger. Then he fights a monster that's twice his size and half his age and makes it a very competitive fight up until he gets caught behind the ear and loses by tko. 2 Dominant wins over top competition and one loss against opponents far bigger than him and you think he should stop fighting?? I don't get it, I'm pumped for this fight and I hope that whoever wins gets credit instead of everyone saying the other was past his prime or too old.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 02:58
I mean he did the same to Gonzaga as in beating him not exactly the same.. it was actually worse. Plus Randy took the same headkick that floored cro cop and walked right through it, and finished Gonzaga with a broken arm.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 03:07
ESL, ya made me laugh. I was thinking the same thing.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 03:10
haha anybody notice the #ufc...101.... it's their combined ages? JK JK LOL!!!! It's actually how many dalmations there are in that story, I forget the name.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 04:08
@ Big Chris Passion in sport should not be underestimated. It's not about going out on top, it's about doing what you love to do, and what you feel you were born to do. The downfall of legends (don't get me wrong, Nog and Randy aren't necessarily on their way down just yet) is a sad thing, but there's nothing disgraceful about the passion and drive to compete that they display.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 10:43
I pity Big Chris. His opinions are being owned left and right. Saying they should go out on top is like saying Donald Trump should have retired after he made his first 50 million. It's not about wanting to accumulate more or show off, it's about the drive and passion to want to train and then put that training to the test against other fierce competitors.
Thu, 02/26/09 - 10:43
and the crowd goes... away
Fri, 02/27/09 - 12:07
this fight sounds fun but its no tank v shammy
Fri, 02/27/09 - 06:42
Couture vs. Nogueira: Arthritic War!
Fri, 02/27/09 - 11:14
Don't pity me because I see things difffrently, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and yes the counter arguments have made sense, I respect every fighter who is willing to get in the cage and throw it all on the line, I have alot of respect for the pioneers of the sport, but there is a time where you do have to walk away....Maybe it isn't the time for Randy to walk away, I know to never count him out, he could come back and win the belt again who knows, but then again it could just get really ugly for him....but I respect everyones opinions here, mine are just different that's all.
Sun, 03/08/09 - 02:58
randy is the greatest fighter of all time, minatauro fights like the older fighter when dana brings fedor over brock might as well pack his shit.and randy should go to full time commentator replacing joe fear factor
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