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CSAC to Come Down Hard on Antonio Silva and Everyone He Knows

(The hell of it is, the fight was no good anyway.)

We knew that Antonio “Bigfoot” Silva was making himself an enemy of the California State Athletic Commission by flouting their suspension and fighting in Japan anyway this past weekend, but we didn’t know that he might also have condemned the friends who aided and abetted him.  

The CSAC is setting a February 10 hearing date to decide what to do about Silva, who claimed from the beginning that he was the victim of faulty steroid testing, but they’re also going after his cornermen and his manager, American Top Team’s Alex Davis, for negotiating the fight.  Dave Meltzer says Davis has been fined $2,500 and suspended for the remainder of his license for setting up the bout, and the CSAC’s Bill Douglas is notifying all athletic commissions about Silva’s cornermen and the assistance they gave to this fugitive from steroid justice.

Sounds like Bill Douglas comes from the Keyser Soze school of management.  He’s not just punishing Silva; he’s punishing his friends, his manager, his family, people who owe him money, people who owe his parents money… the point is, it’s needlessly harsh.  

If a fighter gets suspended and decides to go out of the commission’s jurisdiction to fight, it’s expected that they’ll take action against him, maybe even keep him from fighting within their jurisdiction for a very long time.  That’s fair.  Silva knew that would happen when he went to Japan, but reasoned that fighting and making money over there was worth not fighting in the U.S.  

But suspending his manager and cornermen is basically punishing them for their association with Silva.  These are guys who have done nothing besides help a friend do something he had decided to do anyway.  They weren’t under suspension.  They didn’t test positive for steroids.  

What’s more, all this stems from a contested positive test result in the jurisdiction of a commission with a poor track record for drug testing.  Douglas actually suspended the testing altogether shortly after taking over for embattled former director Armando Garcia, and has only recently instituted new policies designed to maintain consistent results and handle appeals.

With all that still in the CSAC’s rearview mirror, you’d think they’d take a more lenient stance with regards to Silva’s manager and cornermen.  Here’s hoping they appeal and give us all a chance to see how Douglas’ commission is different than Garcia’s.  Hopefully the changes are more substantial than just a decrease in sexual harassment claims

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jdavis- January 6, 2009 at 9:12 pm
First when was CSAC busted for corruption? When did this happen? Armando Garcia left for unknown reasons and the new guy changed their testing proceedures to tighten things up but that doesn't mean there was any corruption or that there was even any actual bad test done.

Second Chris Leben was given a 9 month suspension for his failed drug test(which is the suspension length NSAC gives and they are the athletic commission in the UFC's home state). He didn't get away with anything at all he got caught and got suspended.
Poo Flinger- January 6, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Ok, I got it... if the CSAC suspends you, then no more fighting inside the US. But how stupid is it the Silva can get busted by the CSAC (which has been busted itself for corruption), and Chris Leben gets nothing for testing positive while fighting in England? And yes I know Leben was tested by the UFC, not the CSAC, but it is still stupid.
jdavis- January 6, 2009 at 3:30 pm
"Now, if Antonio comes back to California after his suspension expires looking to fight, the CSAC could rightfully accuse him of violating his suspension and bar him from fighting in California... because, well, THAT IS THEIR JURISDICTION."

Um that is what they are doing only they are letting him know that's their position to start with. They aren't saying he can't fight in Japan they are telling him to not bother trying to come back.

As far as other commissions (Japan doesn't have a commission that sanctions MMA)all the state athletic commissions go along with other state's decisions, NSAC won't ever approve him a fight until CSAC releases him from suspension. That's just how the system works.

You have described the situation as it actually is. Silva can fight any time he wants in Japan or anywhere else around the world but because he broke the suspension he isn't going to be able to come back to California(and by extension the rest of the US).
Jugger- January 6, 2009 at 12:07 pm
I think the CSAC should have jurisdiction over the State of California, as their name implies. Should Antonio want to fight in, say, Nevada, it would be up to the NSAC to choose whether or not to allow him to fight based on an outstanding suspension in another state. Most likely, since states tend to reciprocate, they would not allow him to fight even though he is technically out of California's jurisdiction.

Japan also would have the option of allowing or disallowing him to fight based on an outstanding suspension. Should Japan rule to allow him to fight, the CSAC shouldn't give a flying flip because he's out of the jurisdiction.

Now, if Antonio comes back to California after his suspension expires looking to fight, the CSAC could rightfully accuse him of violating his suspension and bar him from fighting in California... because, well, THAT IS THEIR JURISDICTION.

In other words, his suspension from California should be on his record, but what he does outside of California should be assessed by the commission of whatever state (or country) he is currently fighting in.

I wrote all that out for my personal fulfillment. I'm not offended that you didn't read it.
jdavis- January 6, 2009 at 11:37 am
I see people comparing this to breaking the law and smoking pot in Amsterdam and silly crap like that and I think that people are missing the point that these people are licensed to do what they do and to get that license they had to agree to abide by athletic commission decisions. This isn't about breaking some law somewhere else it's about people doing something they agreed not to do when they got their fight license in California.
jdavis- January 6, 2009 at 11:21 am
"While the states may ban together, who is the CSAC to regulate fights in japan? That's where they've over-extended themselves."

They didn't regulate a fight in Japan and they aren't stopping Silva from fighting any time he wants in Japan(or the rest of the world) they are just telling him he can't come back to the US. If they suspend guys and the guys just run off and fight anywhere else then the suspensions are utterly meaningless and completly worthless.
Anonymous- January 6, 2009 at 8:51 am
He can still fight in Japan and they can still corner him in Japan as much as they want.
Jason- January 6, 2009 at 6:49 am
It's kinda like when your stepdad grounds you and then the cocksucker calls your real dad to make sure it's enforced when you go to stay with him. We know it doesn't seem fair but if you're killing cats at 14 who knows what you'll be doing a few years down the road.
mississippi- January 6, 2009 at 6:34 am
I agree with what happened. Im think people that take steroids are cheaters and probably only win fights because they use performance enhancing drugs. This is a real sport and steroid users should be exposed and punished. I think people supporting the steroid user in this situation should be punished too.
bold- January 6, 2009 at 6:22 am
the CSAC are stupid fuckers i mean they still have steve mazifuckup plus doesnt have anything to do with japan yea we get it hes not aloud to fight in north america but he should still beable to fight in japan
MicahW- January 6, 2009 at 5:49 am
CSAC just shows their irrelevancy yet again
Hacksaw- January 6, 2009 at 4:20 am
Here's another analogy for you: coming down on Silva or his cornermen for fighting in Japan is like busting someone for smoking pot in Amsterdam.
PotatoHead- January 6, 2009 at 3:14 am
I, too, believe in God... and fear Keyser Soze.

Thanks for the clip. That really got my juices flowing for the day!
Acrocerid- January 6, 2009 at 12:52 am
Damn, aaron and TYLER's little fight was more entertaining than Silva's bout by far.
aaron- January 6, 2009 at 12:11 am
Oh, by the way, I would like to point out that the only reason any of you are outraged by this story is because of your pathetic infantile hero worship. Anyone with maturity can tell the CSAC doing the right thing.

In closing, you all children.

Anonymous- January 6, 2009 at 12:07 am
Jefe Maro you are a fucking idiot. Guilt by association.
aaron- January 5, 2009 at 11:20 pm
Yeah, stupid faggots and their arguing. Faggots are always arguing. Heteros never argue.

PS You're an idiot too.
dabix- January 5, 2009 at 11:18 pm
to URgay : No. Please do not take aaron and Tyler bitching posts for a proof that all fans are gay.
aaron- January 5, 2009 at 11:15 pm
Hahaha, I knew what you meant. I was just fucking with you to make you mad because I hate you. Looks like I win again!


Of course it's still a dumb statement because if there weren't laws against muder people would still do it for for personal gain, not just out of anger. But I digress.

And no, the CSAC is not out of line in enforcing their punishment. Antonio is out of line for trying to duck his punishment. Anyone who can't see THAT is a fanboy idiot like my dear friend TYLER (WHO WRITES HIS NAME IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE HE'S EXXXTREEEEEEME) here.
TYLER- January 5, 2009 at 10:58 pm
@ aaron you couldn't be more of a block headed mother fucker if you wanted to. I said your the reason there are laws against murder because jackasses as fucking dumb as you make people want to kill someone. That's my point you dumb fuck. Not that there are laws against it because "People don't want to be murdered". No Shit people don't want to be murdered you fucking stupid bastard! One more time just to get back on topic the CSAC is way out of line in what they're trying to do to these people. If you can't see that then you're fucking blind!
aaron- January 5, 2009 at 10:46 pm
Good god you're dumb.

It didn't have to be murder. I could have chosen anything... It didn't even have to be a crime. it's not the important part of the argument. The tragic thing is you have such a pathetic understanding of how analogies and logic in general work that you'll NEVER understand that, now matter how many times it is explained to you.

You're so stupid it hurts me.

And what? People like me are the reason there are laws against murder? I'm pretty sure there are laws against murder because of people who DO NOT WANT TO BE MURDERED, which at least 99.9% of all people everywhere.

You couldn't look like a bigger jackass right now if you tried to.
TYLER- January 5, 2009 at 10:37 pm
@ aaron you are a lost cause get your fucking head out of the sand because the only person who understands your logic is you! At least Admit to yourself that your analogy of comparing accessory to Murder and Silva's choice to fight in Japan causing punishments to his associates was completely FUCKING STUPID! People like you are the reason why there are laws against murder.
UR GAY - January 5, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Don't you "dudes" think that then whole MMA thing is about repressed homosexuality? I mean, come on, you are taking out your fandom of muscular (yet terribly ugly) men as a feigned appreciation of the male form in a completely scripted environment where they rarely come to harm.

MMA fans are all really homosexuals at the end of the day. Maybe, one day (like me) you will realize it and enjoy what a man has to offer besides you staying up late to watch MMA on PPV while your girlfriend masturbates in bed thinking about a real man (NOT YOU).

aaron- January 5, 2009 at 10:19 pm
I didn't say rules are laws, you useless sack of shit! I said laws are rules! Stop talking to me if you're not mentally capable of understanding me.

And yes, the situations are similar. But since you're too dumb to read -> comprehend -> reply obviously you're too dumb to understand a simple analogy as well.

I pity you, you poor stupid bastard.
TYLER- January 5, 2009 at 10:08 pm
@ aaron They're not similar at all RETARD! You compared murder to a guy seeking a fight outside an athletic commissions jurisdiction. Also CSAC rules are not laws! They're a Government Agency not a court of law. Get your fucking facts straight if you plan on responding with more stupid shit. You got that Moron!