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Dana White: Angel of Mercy or Hostage-Taker?


("No one is going to tell [Liddell] when he’s going to stop fighting," says John Hackleman. Photo courtesy of MMA Ring Report.)

In his prime, he was a Destroyer of Worlds. But the Chuck Liddell we saw lose to Mauricio Rua at UFC 97 earlier this month was so deteriorated that retirement talk was inevitable. Liddell’s footwork was achingly slow, and Rua proved that the holes in the Iceman’s defense could be punctured even after Liddell had spent months trying to patch them up. (Though maybe not.) These facts were clearer to Dana White than anyone else. Directly after the event, White announced that Chuck would absolutely be retiring from the sport, profits be damned. Later, he promised "a fucking war" if Liddell refused to hang up his gloves, ostensibly because he didn’t want to see his longtime friend permanently injured.

Well, Chuck hasn’t retired yet. And Dana might get that fucking war after all.


Here’s what Liddell’s longtime trainer John Hackleman told AroundtheOctagon this weekend:

“Chuck can do whatever wants to do. It’s disappointing. He lost to a great champion and that’s no reason to retire. His record is no indicator to retire. He’ll retire when he’s lost the desire to fight or he’s getting hurt. He’s fought 100 times and only been knocked out twice…no one is going to tell him when he’s going to stop fighting…
 
A lot of people thought Randy Couture was done at heavyweight and he went to Light Heavyweight and won a title. He lost to Chuck a couple of times then they said he was done again and he went to heavyweight and won another title. It’s up to Chuck…
 
If it went to court you can’t stop someone from their livelihood. If he’s under contract with the UFC they have to give him a fight or if they don’t they have to let him go. They just can’t say you aren’t going to fight. Chuck is still under contract and they have to give him a fight or let him go.

It doesn’t seem like many people are talking about this aspect of the recent Chuck Liddell saga, so I just wanted to reiterate: Liddell’s forced retirement may primarily be due to Dana White’s concern for his friend’s health, but the UFC has Chuck over a barrel, legally speaking, in the same way that they tied up Randy Couture in 2007-2008. Because he has one fight left on his UFC contract, Liddell is currently unable to compete for another MMA organization. If the UFC lets him fight one more time, then he’s free to leave them and make money for one of the UFC’s rivals. To prevent this situation, the UFC is simply choosing to not give him that last fight.

The end result is Chuck Liddell being shut out of making a living as a fighter. (Remember, you can be released from your UFC contract if you decide to completely retire from the sport, but if you ever emerge from retirement, you still have to honor whatever was left on your contract when you left it; otherwise, you’ll need a good lawyer and a year to spend in court.) I’m not saying it’s a wise move for Chuck Liddell to continue competing at this point. But when it comes down to it, retirement should be his choice, and Dana White’s effort to kick him out of the sport feels ethically problematic, and partially motivated by business interests.

If Chuck goes the stubborn route, I think he’ll see his buddy-buddy relationship with Dana turn sour in a hurry. Because as much as DW doesn’t want to see Chuck get knocked out again, he really doesn’t want to see the Iceman headline a card for Strikeforce.

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Anonymous- May 5, 2009 at 4:25 am
if dana doesn't let chuck keep fighting you are going to see the white/liddel friendship turn into the white/ortiz feud.
SHAWN_SEC- April 30, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Chuck was knocked out 3 times. Not 2.. Maybe 2 times in a row, but 3 put together. Rampage hooked his face off, then Rashad took his face off, now Showgun blew his face off. And they all were devistating KO'S. Chuck should stick to training people. When everyone already has your number and you dont change it, what makes you think people are going to stop calling and hitting you on the ringer? He needs to change his style if he is going to fight again. Shit even on the UFC game i knocked that mofo out with an overhand right! haha
Adebisi- April 30, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Chuck Liddell sucks Dana White's Cock.
Anonymous- April 30, 2009 at 10:46 am
I hate to say it, but Chuck Liddell doesn't need the money from continuing to fight, but John Hackelman probably does need the money continuing to come in from Chuck fighting.
kerouac- April 30, 2009 at 10:26 am
Let Chuck fight Ken Shamrock - 2 GEEZERS at CAESARS
THE DEMON- April 30, 2009 at 9:57 am
I say Chuck needs to fight his last fight...come in and DOMINATE who ever it is, and then tell DW and company to fuck off...this forced retirement shit is garbage. It should be Chuck's decision or for medical reasons, none other. Then Chuck should go fight for Strikeforce or one of the Japanese promos, just to get under DW's skin...
VegasBJJ- April 30, 2009 at 9:56 am
The Pit always has Gan McGee (lol)
norremo is an idiot- April 30, 2009 at 7:26 am
The ONLY fight I wanna see is Liddell vs. Dana White. I'd love to see Chuck open his eyes to the douche-baggery and vomit up the contempt for this asshole. Dana White is a pussy who doesn't care about shit. Fuck him.
Craig- April 30, 2009 at 5:32 am
Chuck vs. Dana to determine if Chuck should be allowed to continue to fight.
The MMA Bowler- April 30, 2009 at 5:12 am
Please... hang up the gloves... Jesus Christ. I'm sick of him getting knock out cause he doesnt keep is hands up. MMA has changed and he wont. For once dana is doing the right thing. Lets be real. Who can Chuck really beat now a days huh? Kimbo slice could knock his ass out.... Okay maybe not but you get my point.
CAPS LOCK HAL'S ENGLISH TEACHER- April 30, 2009 at 4:05 am
HAL, LEARN TO FUCKING SPELL !
Buzzsaw- April 30, 2009 at 2:00 am
Liddell vs Colemen........? battle of the wrinkles
Anonymous- April 30, 2009 at 12:31 am
Kyle Maynard would knock Chuck out at this point.
CAPS LOCK HAL,- April 29, 2009 at 11:22 pm
HAHAHAH FUCKING CAPS LOCK HAL WANNABYS FUCK YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER YOU CAN'T FUCKING WRITE LIKE ME FOR SHIT CAUSE I AM THE GREATEST USER OF THIS MOTHERFUCKING WEBSITE. I THINK KIMBO VS CHUCK LIDEL SHOULD BE THE NEXT FIGHT, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE UNLESS YOU ARE A DUMBFUCK LIKE MOST OF YOU USELESS CUNTS. THAN THE WINNER SHOULD TAKE ON JUNNY BROWNING FOR THE TITLE OF THE BEST MOTHERFUCKING FIGHTER ON THE PLANET. THAT'S HOW IT'S GOING TO BE, DEAL WITH IT FUCKING BITCHES!
A-non- April 29, 2009 at 10:46 pm
Chuck should train with a team with top fighters. If you train with the best you have to get better or get your ass kicked and see where you stand. There is a few fighters at LHW that a fight would be interesting like Bonnar, Franklin, Hamill, Henderson, Stann and Vera.
sPeLLcHeCkEr- April 29, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Can Chuck make weight at 185?
I mean if Wandy's doing it... HMMM.
Lickmyfart- April 29, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Dude Hackleman needs to shut the fuck up because he's the reason why Chuck is getting his ass kicked. Hackleman and the Pit don't have any quality trainers or partners, and chuck is not getting prepared the way he should. Who else comes from that camp??! Von Flue??! Hackleman is complaining because he would not have any business if Chuck retires. Chuck needs to go Greg Jackson or something, a coach that won't sugar coat his short comings.
Hamma Fist Elbow- April 29, 2009 at 9:22 pm
I think Chuck is still way more viable fighter than Wandy. That's the dude that needs to retire.
CAPS LOCK HAL- April 29, 2009 at 8:44 pm
I WANT TO SEE CHUCK FACE DOWN IN MY BED!
Adebisi- April 29, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Who the hell doesn't want to see Chuck Liddell fall face first in the canvas again?
It's a beautiful thing.
gesus- April 29, 2009 at 8:03 pm
dana should just give him a can..make him a gatekeeper. yea its depressing, but doesnt it solve a lot of the problems? the iceman doesnt need to headline with the best, well better, contenders now until he changes his game.
Danal White- April 29, 2009 at 7:57 pm
"REMEMBER ALI!"

Yes fucktard, remember the Ali Act.

Wait till Dona White pisses off the right faggot politician and they decide that there is no reason why the Ali Act doesnt apply to all fight disciplines.

So yeah, remember that braindead turd they trot out for free PR at dog and pony shows all over the country and remember WHY its called the Mosuckhmed Ali Safety Act.

You want to legalize MMA in NY? Fine.
You say MMA should be treated like boxing? No prob.
Let it be treated like any other fighting event, with the same commissions and stuff but you also then have them protected from the sleazoids off the sport.
If you care about the fighters health and careers, then you have to make this a two for one deal.

Of course, you KNOW Zuffa would fight tooth and nail for their right to fuck athletes like Fitch who busted his ass against GSP and then gets treated like some thai child prostitute by his bosses.


just some dong- April 29, 2009 at 7:56 pm
after the outcome of the first two Tito v. Chuck fights, I'd have to say what's the point of having a third. But then I think of how slow and terrible Chuck looked against Rua and Evans, and the steady decline that brought him to this point, and the fight actually sounds interesting because maybe... just... maybe... Tito has a shot this time.
Andre's Pee Pee- April 29, 2009 at 7:49 pm
KO'd Twice? I count three times out of the last four fights. Maybe when my man got KTFO against Rashad it was so bad that his trainer can't remember it. So which one does not count,...Rampage stiffen his legs, Rashad putting his fist through Chucks face, or the latest debacle where Chuck had everything to lose and still came out looking out of shape and slow.

Seriuosly, Chuck, as the best fighters get slow and old, fans forget their accomplishments and look at the current version to make an opinion on who you are/were. Look at Ken, Tito, Gracie, Cro Crop, Chuck...etc. Hang em up, and take DW up on that PR thing. That sounds like the Fucking life. Being Dana's right hand man. You seem to have a way with making DW's gay and whore bashing seem not that bad.
Adebisi- April 29, 2009 at 7:00 pm
A stiif jab from Tito would put Chuck on queer street at this point.
His chin is gone.
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