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Dana White Is a Filthy F*cking Liar, According to Marloes Coenen’s Check-Stub

Dana White, explaining Zuffa’s recent axing of Alistair Overeem, Valentijn Overeem, Marloes Coenen, and Jon Olav Einemo:

This is actually a pretty simple explanation. If you look back throughout history, we haven’t had any Golden Glory guys fight with us since Semmy Schilt, right? And the reason is we have very different business practices. It’s tough to do business with them. The bottom line is the way they do business is, you have to pay them, not the fighters. We don’t work that way. It’s not the way we do business. It’s not how it works in the United States with the athletic commissions. You don’t pay the managers and the managers pay the fighters. You pay the fighters and the fighters pay the managers…The reality is, we’re trying to work out deals with these guys and they won’t do it. They said you absolutely can’t pay the fighters, you have to pay us. And it’s pretty simple to look back and see that the last guy who fought in UFC was Semmy Schilt. There was a reason for that.”

Marloes Coenen, calling “bullshit” last night:

“@danawhite hurts me 2 hear things about my management that are not true. #Ibelieveinthetruth #proof http://twitpic.com/6113vq

The check-stub image shows $37,506 being paid directly to Coenen by Forza, LLC — the Zuffa subsidiary that purchased Strikeforce — clearly contradicting White’s explanation about why the Golden Glory fighters were cut. So now we’re back at the original, more logicial explanation: Alistair Overeem was released because he didn’t play ball to a sufficient degree, and his teammates were cut to emphasize that point, pretty much out of spite. Sound about right?

Of course, Marloes Coenen airing proof of her salary opens up another can of worms entirely. While she cleared a respectable $37,500 for her final effort in Strikeforce, that figure doesn’t come close to matching up with her previous reported salaries, which were officially $10,000, $3,000, and $2,000 for her last three performances. We’ve always assumed that some international fighters were paid the majority of their purses off the books in order to avoid being taxed in two different countries, but this seems to confirm it. Will this incident lead to closer speculation about Strikeforce’s financial practices — and could it spell the end of unreported tax-dodging for other international fighters?

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k-onda- August 6, 2011 at 9:33 am
DFW is a businessman, which is like a politician, which is like a blood sucking parasite millionaire. Sucks to have a world run by these people, but as long as nice people exist(aka suckers)there will be scumbags taking advantage.
My real worry is this, that Dana and gang are more interested in money making and empire building than showcasing the greatest fighters and growing this great sport.
SnackDaddy- August 6, 2011 at 1:19 am
This might not be something new and Caoenen might actually be just reiterating what Dana said, but the question is, if UFC was already paying the GG fighters directly and their disagreements were indeed only verbal (since UFC was having their way in the end), could they not have found a way around this whole disagreement? Was firing 3 really big and marketable names really necessary? Like i said, UFC and Dana were already having their way despite whatever disagreements they were having.
Dana White is a filthy liar, and i will jump on any chance to call him a filthy fucking scumbag. UFC is run far from the best way it can be run and has some major moral and ethical loopholes in its operations. Just because as fans you guys are getting to watch the sport you love doesn't mean everyone involved is being treated fairly.
cendescu- August 5, 2011 at 8:09 pm
Armfarmer seems like a whiny little bitch who complains about everything. Why come here if the articles are so bad?

He probably complains about his lunch every day and secretly makes it himself.
Nut Puncher 9000- August 5, 2011 at 7:09 pm
I am so jumping on this WAAAAY late but how about all you people advocating for more pay for fighter compare salaries of NBA/NFL/NHL players in the first 10 years of their respective leagues existence and not just the Babe Ruth's either...look up the scrubs. Maybe if they listened to fools like you (XENO), we wouldnt be watching these leagues because they would have collapsed like Affliction. Elite XC, Pride, etc, etc, etc.
Oh wait, Im sorry, you must be an actuary with the ability to prepare for all that the future brings, because im sure (IN FACT POSITIVE) that if PPV numbers fell, and interest in MMA dropped that there wouldnt be a single fighter ponying up their cash to save the UFC.
As for the article, DW saying write the checks versus distributes the checks isnt that unbelievable. Sometimes fighters win and get a bonus that is not required to be escrowed by the commissions...Jesus people the Hate for DW and his 10 fucking percent is crazy. HE DOESNT CONTROL EVERYTHING. HE DOESNT EVEN CONTROL A MAJORITY SHARE. /Bitchslap
mt59801- August 5, 2011 at 6:49 pm
Who gives a shit about GG and it's stable? Reem is/was? a BMF but he looked like shit in his last fight and his last K1 outing was boring as shit too. No one wants to see his brother fight they don't have a superstar team period. With this last round of pink slips I think it's safe to say zuffa is trimming the fat, before retiring SF.
fatbellyfrank- August 5, 2011 at 5:22 pm
@ Andy, still here mate, just dont the opportunity to post as often with work these days, and are we all arguing and jumpin up and down because it seems the CEO of a private company has gotten rid of some employees who wouldn't play by the rules the CEO had in place? sounds like private enterprise to me,
And fuck captcha
ArmFarmer- August 5, 2011 at 4:54 pm
lol @danomite. Yeah I'm done with this topic.
danomite- August 5, 2011 at 3:51 pm
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!!!!!!
RSparrow- August 5, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Man, you people are all over the place. The fact is, Zuffa paid the fighters directly, as Dana confirmed, and as it should be. Comparing MMA with any other sport is completely ridiculous. Absolutely-ridiculous. If you want and chose to be a professional fighter (trust me I know some personally) then you know what you're getting into. You aren't gonna be paid NFL money, but you you know this going in. The UFC is a business, and you are an employee. Follow the rules or get canned. You don't like it, then go with another career move. Period, simple, done. This thread has been one of the most retarded I've seen in a long time.
ccman- August 5, 2011 at 3:16 pm
@x
Fedrov Did get that pre cap years and it was a very inflated salary, Jagr was in the 13 mil area back then too. now highest paid players cap out at 7.5 mil.
Actually i think Golf is the perfect example of individual sports, you do not win, or at least perform, you do not get paid a dime. Tennis is almost the same except they do pay players to show up for tourn. And to a certain extent the UFC does follow the model with bonuses and win bonuses. And over a lifetime is difficult, since the prime years for a fighter are limited, as is the timeline they can fight, and number of times a year they can do so. Especially with the prima dona attitude that has been prevalent in recent years (12 week camps and such). So again i would say apples and oranges in the comparrison.
I do agree with Mahoney, the market has very much dictated what fighter salaries are, and every promotion that tries to brek the mold and buy relavence, has folded quickly. personally, i like have a major player. let the cokers/arums of the MMA landscape take a damn accounting course before they open up. or hire somebody already.
And is the captcha teaching me hungarian or something?
mahoney00- August 5, 2011 at 2:37 pm
@Xenophon: I didn't read all of the comments, and am not quite sure how this turned into an argument about fighters' salaries...


Regardless, why not let a business run itself the way it pleases? If conditions are so bad, employees can go elsewhere, learn another vocation (i.e. Carwin is an engineer), fans can boycott, etc.

You mention average NFL, NHL, MLB salaries? You forget that those organizations and sports have been around for a lot longer than MMA and the UFC and have a much different marketable value.

I was just having a discussion with my fiance about how private school teachers make less than public school teachers, on average. She thought "that can't be possible!" It is counter-intuitive but unfortunately its the truth, as the Department of Education released average salary figures for public vs. private school teachers. In a nutshell, it shows the effect unions have on the cost of doing business.

Let Zuffa run the UFC the way they want to run the UFC. Quit complaining about fighters salaries as YOU cannot tell anybody or any company what fighters are worth (otherwise known as their "market value." Market value is hard to understand for many liberals, since they believe that everyone should earn a fair salary--we can't have one person earning millions and another one peanuts, it just isn't fair). And if the fighters or their representatives are difficult to deal with (just like some employees are) it is their right to let them go--it is an unfortunate fact of life.


Another unfortunate fact is that I have a job to get back to. I regret to inform you that I can't spend the rest of the day responding to your trolling... Have a wonderful weekend and I hope this CP post doesn't get your blood pressure too high.

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d09/tables/dt09_075.asp
XENOPHON- August 5, 2011 at 2:17 pm
I think the only cock sucking is from Drano Swallows. He is Dana's protector today - the White Knight. How cute.

Matter of fact at second glance - I think that's Dana's "White" he's have trouble with. I think he's choking on all the goo.
dranokills- August 5, 2011 at 1:51 pm
sheena can pull numbers out her ass till her ovaries dry up, it wont change a fucking thing.
This topic is bullshit. Dana White haters are stupid, and none of our opinions matter to the UFC.
get over yourselves.

and lastly:
Damn Armfarmer I agree with you about the captha shit, BUT I am not real sure I wanna see you suck anybodys dick to get that edit button....perhaps sheena-phone will do it for us.
XENOPHON- August 5, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Check this out:
http://www.mma-manifesto.com/ufc-fighter-salary-database/salary-main/ufc-fighter-salaries.html
XENOPHON- August 5, 2011 at 1:36 pm
@ccman

You made all good points, but I think you are undervaluing the MMA fighter.

I only included the other sports as Drano wanted to compare the UFC to NFL, NBA, MLB and Hockey and the fact that they have union lockouts.

I don't watch much team sports, if I want to catch a ball or watch someone chase a puck, I have a dog and some kids that can do that and more with Frisbee.

Your right, if this comes up again I will only compare MMA to other sports that don't rely on teams. From now on I will only compare MMA to individual sports that allow for team membership and assistance in between action. Any reason why I couldn't use Auto Racing, Boxing, Golf, and Tennis.

As you brought up Hockey, the fact is there is a salary cap. No player can earn more than $12.86 million. I was off by a couple hundred thousand writing.

The highest paid hockey player I know of was Sergei Fedorov (Detroit Red Wings), he was paid $14.5 million for the 1998-99 season.

(look up wikipedia: /List_of_player_salaries_in_the_NHL)

Tito has been around for 14 years, but he is first a CEO (wannabe) and not a dedicated full time fighter. Show me how many MMA fighters earn near the money in a year, or over their lifetime that a hockey can earn?
twoleftfeet- August 5, 2011 at 12:40 pm
The headline should have read "buisness as usual"
ccman- August 5, 2011 at 12:17 pm
think of it like this, Kobe at 20 mil a season per game night makes 243,902. you can find many fighters who make more, they just have to win and be marketable. something many of them seem to forget.
ccman- August 5, 2011 at 12:11 pm
@Xeno. your arguyement is flawed in many ways
1. no hockey player makes 13 mil a season, none.
2. Pro sports athletes are based off a long history of market value, and in most of these sports is a revenue share.
3. Fighters have opportunity to earn many bonuses that are unreported, which is shown in her check.
4. You are looking at annual salaries to play a full 16-160 (how many games is baseball these days?) season, with off season requirements, constant travel, older sports and Promotion requirements VS. a single night. comparably many fighters earn more than a game check of most athletes.
5. fighters have the ability to dictate their schedule and number of fights they accept, in most cases.
6. You are basing off average annual salaries which means that you have the Kobe's (20 mil) and A-rods (25 mil) and the league minimum guys (325k - ish) when you put those numbers next to each other the haves vs the have nots are even more distant than in the UFC. only other sport with a bigger descepancy would be ....boxing. Which the UFC has since Zuffa, tried to exterminate the stink out of fighting sports.
ReX13- August 5, 2011 at 11:50 am
Jesus, who pissed in you people's corn flakes?

If you assholes keep this up, i'm bringing back Keyboard Warriors. Now you think about that.
Just_the_tip- August 5, 2011 at 11:39 am
The headline is false because it says: "Dana White Is a Filthy F*cking Liar, According to Marloes Coenen’s Check-Stub" When the check stub actually confirms what Dana said in a prior interview. Do you eat paint chips?
EDoggFunkMonk- August 5, 2011 at 11:32 am
The check doesn't prove anything. Could be Zuffa wrote the check to the fighter (as they said is there practice) and Golden Glory complained about not getting the check (which is their practice).
This happens a lot in business when you try to cut out the middle man. At the end of the day, the fighter cashed the check.
Androiddrew- August 5, 2011 at 11:12 am
I like watching people punch each other in the face.
intercept440- August 5, 2011 at 11:03 am
MMA will never unionize, its a one on one based combat sport. simple math really. a guy with 2-9 record, shouldnt be paid as much as a guy with a 9-2 record. thats the facts..
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although i do AGREE that they should be paid a bit more than they currently are. and have some form of insurance which dana got them..
ArmFarmer- August 5, 2011 at 11:03 am
"I don't see anything out of the ordinary for CP here."

This article fucking sucks.. so I guess you've got a point there.
ZING.. too easy
XENOPHON- August 5, 2011 at 11:02 am
@RwilsonR

This Yo-Yo faggot is led to believe the UFC, like most here consider that the UFC is the Major leagues. Yet the UFC pay's less than the Minor leagues in baseball.

If you prefer football to baseball, the average running back works less than 3 years in NFL and earns at least $325,000 dollars per each year.

Using football as an example, they play 16 regular season games, and earn more than $20k per game.

Most often these athlete / employees sit on the bench for each game.

In the UFC the average fighter in the UFC gets no more than 3 game day losses. Unless one sucks cock as good as Tito, the average fighter is immediately pink slipped and shit canned after 3 losses. Never once do they sit on a fucking bench.

How can the UFC be hurt when they are nearly the the only game in town?

Aside from the seating at each event, the UFC rakes in $50 bucks per televised connection. For every one million viewers, the UFC earns at least $50 million bucks a pop.

Since the UFC averages at least 10 fights per year, minus all their video games, coffee mugs, stadium seats, faggy clothing, and Spike channel proceeds they must rake in at least $500 million per year.

In year 2010 some UFC fighters earned a whole whopping $3,000 dollars for their fight. And that mans name wasn't Kalib Axel Starnes.
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