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Dana White Says Every MMA Media Outlet is F*cking Stupid for Ranking Overeem as a Top Ten Heavyweight


("By my calculation this guy is number 12 right behind Chris Tuchscherer, Anthony Perosh and Mike Russow.")

Does anyone else get the feeling that whenever Dana White loses out on getting a fighter he has been coveting, he badmouths said fighter to help soften the blow to his ego?

Remember when he thought he was close to signing Fedor Emelianenko and he came around, admitting that "The Last Emperor" was a pretty good fighter, only to turn around and call the Russian "a mythological creature made up by the MMA media?"

Well, according to The Baldfather, apparently Alistair Overeem is now a piece of shit fighter who doesn’t deserve to be in the top ten of any media outlets’ heavyweight rankings, despite the fact that White has been courting the K-1 star for some time to sign with the UFC.

Here’s what Dana had to say to MMAJunkie about Overeem’s universally accepted top-ten ranking:

"Listen, I like Alistair Overeem. I see him all the time. Cool guy. But there’s no urgency on my part to get him into the UFC. I actually find it hilarious that he’s ranked in the top 10 by some of the websites. I find it hilarious. What has he done in MMA to be ranked in the top 10? I’d like somebody here to answer that question. We’ve got a lot of media guys here; what has Alistair Overeem done to be ranked in the top 10 of mixed martial arts’ heavyweight division? How do you figure? Because he’s such a good K-1 fighter (that) he can parlay that into being a mixed-martial-arts fighter? That’s what makes the mixed-martial-arts media fucking stupid – that they would even rank this guy in the top 10 because he’s fighting in K-1," White said. "That makes absolutely no fucking sense sense, and I would love to hear somebody make sense of this guy being ranked in the top 10. Has he fought anybody worth mentioning? Uh, yeah that would help. Guys that fight the top guys in the top 10, three times a year in mixed martial arts – those are the guys that are ranked in the top 10. How bout the fact that he’s fighting in K-1, where you just kick and punch? There’s no wrestling, there’s no this, and there’s no that. How does any credible fucking MMA guy put him in the top 10 in the heavyweight division? It’s hilarious."


"You know what this is? Another Fedor thing," he said. "UFC doesn’t have him, so we’re going to rank him in the top 10 even though the guy is only fighting in fucking K-1. He’s a fucking great guy. I like Overeem. I have nothing but respect for him. But it’s an absolute fucking joke that anybody would rank him in the top 10," White continued. "And anybody that wants to debate with me, and tell me why Alistair should be ranked, fucking fire away. I’m ready. I want to hear it. Can’t wait. If on your rankings you have him in the top 10, you should be fucking embarrassed."

Look at all of the outlets with egg on their faces:

MMAWEEKLY.com
1. Cain Velasquez (9-0) – UFC
2. Fabricio Werdum (14-4-1) – Strikeforce
3. Fedor Emelianenko (31-2, 1 NC) – Strikeforce
4. Brock Lesnar (5-2) – UFC
5. Junior dos Santos (12-1) – UFC
6. Shane Carwin (12-1) – UFC
7. Alistair Overeem (33-11, 1 NC) – Strikeforce

8. Frank Mir (14-5) – UFC
9. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (32-6-1, 1 NC) – UFC
10. Brett Rogers (11-2) – Strikeforce

FIGHT! MAGAZINE
1. Cain Velasquez (9-0) – UFC
2. Fedor Emelianenko (31-2, 1 NC) – Strikeforce
3. Fabricio Werdum (14-4-1) – Strikeforce
4. Alistair Overeem (33-11, 1 NC) – Strikeforce
5. Brock Lesnar (5-2) – UFC
6. Josh Barnett (26-5) – Strikeforce
7. Junior dos Santos (12-1) – UFC
8. Shane Carwin (12-1) – UFC
9. Frank Mir (14-5) – UFC
10. Antonio Silva (14-2) – Strikeforce

SHERDOG.com
1. Cain Velasquez (9-0) – UFC
2. Brock Lesnar (5-2) – UFC
3. Fabricio Werdum (14-4-1) – Strikeforce
4. Fedor Emelianenko (31-2, 1 NC) – Strikeforce
5. Junior dos Santos (12-1) – UFC
6. Shane Carwin (12-1) – UFC
7. Frank Mir (14-5) – UFC
8. Alistair Overeem (33-11, 1 NC) – Strikeforce
9. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (32-6-1, 1 NC) – UFC
10. Antonio Silva (14-2) – Strikeforce

HEAVY.com
1. Cain Velasquez (9-0) – UFC
2. Junior dos Santos (12-1) – UFC
3. Brock Lesnar (5-2) – UFC
4. Shane Carwin (12-1) – UFC
5. Fabricio Werdum (14-4-1) – Strikeforce
6. Fedor Emelianenko (31-2, 1 NC) – Strikeforce
7. Alistair Overeem (33-11, 1 NC) – Strikeforce
8. Frank Mir (14-5) – UFC
9. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (32-6-1, 1 NC) – UFC
10. Antonio Silva (14-2) – Strikeforce

USA Today
1. Cain Velasquez (9-0) – UFC
2. Brock Lesnar (5-2) – UFC
3. Fedor Emelianenko (31-2, 1 NC) – Strikeforce
4. Fabricio Werdum (14-4-1) – Strikeforce
5. Shane Carwin 83 UFC 5
6. Junior dos Santos 83 UFC 6
7. Frank Mir (14-5) – UFC
8. Alistair Overeem (33-11, 1 NC) – Strikeforce
9. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (32-6-1, 1 NC) – UFC
10. Antonio Silva (14-2) – Strikeforce

MMAFIGHTING.com
1. Cain Velasquez (9-0) – UFC
2. Junior dos Santos (12-1) – UFC
3. Brock Lesnar (5-2) – UFC
4. Shane Carwin (12-1) – UFC
5. Fabricio Werdum (14-4-1) – Strikeforce
6. Fedor Emelianenko (31-2, 1 NC) – Strikeforce
7. Alistair Overeem (33-11, 1 NC) – Strikeforce
8. Frank Mir (14-5) – UFC
9. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (32-6-1, 1 NC) – UFC
10. Antonio Silva (14-2) – Strikeforce

Sure "The Demolition Man" hasn’t been wrecking the best opponents in the world in the last two years, but you can’t necessarily judge a fighter by his opponents, especially when they aren’t choosing their opponents. Prior to beating Gabriel Gonzaga and Frank Mir, Shane Carwin ran through a who’s-who of unremarkable fighters including Neil Wain, Christian Wellisch Sherman Pendergarst, Rex Richards,  Rick Slaton, Chris Guillen, Justice Smith Jay McCown,  Casey Jackson and Carlton Jones. 

In recent months Overeem has requested bouts with both Fabricio Werdum and Fedor Emelianenko, but both fighters have yet to agree to and have shown little interest in a bout with the Strikeforce heavyweight champion for whatever reason. Hopefuly in 2011 Strikefore puts its foot down and makes some interesting and chalenging bouts for "The Reem" or the promotion may finally lose him to the UFC *if* Dana is remotely interested.

You never know since he changes his mind about the Golden Glory fighter every other week.

Here’s what White told MMAWeekly when asked about Overeem’s place in the heavyweight division less than a month ago:

"Obviously one of the top heavyweights is Fedor, and I would say Overeem, too, and I like Overeem. I’ve always had a good relationship with him. It’s hard to tell outside, and what a lot of people get caught up in is ‘oh this guy’s out there.’ What you have to realize is the guys that fight in the UFC fight the very best in the world three times a year. I think [signing] anybody’s a possibility," he explained. "[Alistair is] supposed to be their champion. They’ve had a hard time getting him to fight. Did you ever notice these guys at Strikeforce have a hard time getting their people to come in and actually fight. If that was the case, you guys would never see the fights that you want to see. Especially with as many fights as we’re doing, when we sign a guy we want him to fight three times in a year. How the hell is he going to fight somewhere else? It’s impossible.”

And here’s what Dana said about Alistair less than a week ago at the UFC Fight Club Q&A session in Germany ahead of UFC 122:

“[Joe Rogan] just asked me the same question in the car [about Overeem fighting in the UFC]. I’ll give you the same answer I gave him, ‘I don’t know’…I like him. Anybody who’s perceived as one of the best in the world, we’d obviously like. I’ve always had a good relationship with [Alistair]; he’s a good guy.”

It seems like Dana has realized that between Alistair’s K-1 and DREAM contracts and the fights he has remaining on his Strikeforce deal, the likelihod of him fighting for the UFC any time soon is highly unlikely, so the easiest way to save face with the fans is to make Overeem look like he’s less valuable of a commodity than he actually is, like, "He sucks. I never wanted him in the first place. I’m glad we didn’t sign him…"

Funny, you never see the head of the NFL or NBA calling reporters or news outlets a bunch of fucking morons for having a different opinion than they have. What ever happened to the UFC’s rankings they talked about doing a couple years ago?

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ArmFarmer- November 17, 2010 at 4:38 am
I would too.. it'd be nice to see the dude fight some tough fights I don't even care who it's for I just wish he'd step up his competition.
Ballkick- November 16, 2010 at 9:06 pm
I personally would love to see Overeem in the UFC,...Win,.....Lose,....whatever.
That is the only way either of us could answer this question definitively.
ArmFarmer- November 16, 2010 at 3:35 pm
@Ballkick

You are right, it is because he isn't in ufc.. because if he was he would have had to fight good fighters by now because the ufc is smart enough to not let someone win their hw title and then run to japan with it for 3 fucking years. You have to beat top 10 opponents to be ranked top 10 and almost all of them are in the ufc, not in k1, not dream... there are a couple in strikeforce but.. you have to actually fight them. I mean does this not make sense to you guys?
ArmFarmer- November 16, 2010 at 3:30 pm
@dagnut

You are right, I mean look how huge mix martial arts was 10 years ago. Now I can barely find anyone that has heard of that mma stuff.. Dana White ruined everything!

Moving on from the sarcasm.. time cop, Brock Lesnar has finished Randy Couture and Frank Mir in brutal fashion, almost died... and then survived 3 straight minutes of power punches from Shane Carwin and then choked him out.

Overeem's beaten Brett Rogers.. and a huge pile of cans. He held the strikeforce hw title for like 3 years without defending it. Look Overeem up on sherdog, his record for the last 4 years is a joke.

That is why Lesnar should be ranked and Overeem is questionable. If you are judging by accomplishments and not potential, then Overeem hasn't done much at hw.
Dagnut- November 16, 2010 at 2:52 pm
Everyone referring to him as "Dana"...he's not your fucking friend he's a megalomaniac, we shouldn't even know this pricks name, yet he's more famous than 90% of his roster...doesn't anyone see anything wrong with that?
And now he thinks he can have a go at the media because of their rankings?
If you don't think a rant like that shows him up for what he is your as bad as he is....he seems to think it will be the biggest sport in the world in 10 years....not with him at the helm it won't. His idea of an informed debate is him informing you of your opinion.
Ballkick- November 16, 2010 at 1:06 pm
JCVD as Timecop,...I think I can answer that very easily: He's not signed by the UFC...that is why.
Even if every MMA writer,fan,Critic,...etc...list him in the top 10. Dana will downplay his importance because he is no in their stable of fighters.
JCVD as Timecop- November 16, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Looking at Brock Lesnar's record, it makes me wonder how people think he's a top-10 HW.
He was 2-1 when White gave him a title shot, after winning against a has-been, a never-was and losing against a recovering alcoholic. He then took the belt from someone's grandfather, and defended it from the alcoholic-turned-has-been, pretty much got saved by bad reffing against a superior striker, then lost the belt to a fighter who actually has talent and skill.

Why is it so insane that someone with a more impressive record outside of the UFC might be on the same list?
Hank Mardukis- November 16, 2010 at 12:01 pm
@ Rsparrow

He's not half bad on the ground. He's got a nice sprawl, he's very controlling when he's on top, and he's got something like 15 subs on his resume. I think he'd definitely have a problem with Cain and Brock's wrestling, but its not like his ground game hasn't been tested. He's just known as a striker.
ccman- November 16, 2010 at 11:39 am
@ rwilsonr and ant farm : The UFC has grown to the point where if you followed the sport especially over the last decade you see a growing 'it has quit being in the fringe so now i hate it' haters pop up. I been blasted here and on other sites for daring defend the evil that is the ufc and DW, even though anyone who has watched from the get-go knows they made MMA.....

Even Pride in its heyday was responding to the changes the UFC made happen. Even when Pride was largely reguarded as #1 the UFC spent towards growth where as they spent towards luxery.

But if you have n xbox you will have 50 people here tell you why it sucks sine it is microsoft and how much better PS3 is... some people do not want to be happy.

Personally i am giddy i do not have to watch boxing to get a violence fix, speaking of shit....
RwilsonR- November 16, 2010 at 11:01 am
I think people also reflexively want to catch Dana in a "gotcha" moment, and one of the easiest ways is to try and call him a hypocrite for saying contradictory things. He says some stupid shit for sure, but he also says a lot of legitimate shit, too, and refelxive dislike for him shouldn't blind people to that. And occasionally he might say contradictory things, but that occurance is a lot more rare than most people who hate him would like. It certainly didn't happen in this instance, nor with Kimbo.
ArmFarmer- November 16, 2010 at 10:14 am
Thanks for the support. It just seems like mma fans like to jump to conclusions a lot of time without really thinking about what's going on. It's like "Dana said something bad about someone, and then he said something good about them later.. contradiction!" when there's usually a little more to it than that.
Jack Bauer- November 16, 2010 at 10:12 am
As usual, Dana presents his argument with the tact of a 15 year old with ADHD, but between all the "fucks" and "shits", there is truth. Overeem's last 8 opponents since Jan 1, 2008:

Lee-Tae Hyun, 0:36 KO
Mark Hunt, 1:11 Sub
Cro Cop (No contest, 3x Knees to the Junk)
Gary Goodridge, 1:42 Sub
Tony Sylvester, 1:23 Sub
James Thompson, 0:33 Sub
Kazuyuki Fujita, 1:15 KO
Brett Rogers, 3:40 KO

You don't see these kind of results anywhere but the recycling plant or Bully Beatdown. Maybe he should get in touch with Mayhem to help step up his competition a little.
RwilsonR- November 16, 2010 at 9:58 am
Thank you ArmFarmer for bringing some sense of rationality and understanding to this debate, not least of which coming from you actually bothering to have a basic comprehension of the words being used. I was reading through this while on a conference call, wanting to post aftewards, only to find that I had nothing more to contribute since you had handled things so adeptly. I agree 100% with everything that you said.
ArmFarmer- November 16, 2010 at 8:45 am
@blackboxmma

I don't see him being able to handle the wrestling powerhouses in the ufc.. with or without roids, taking out Brock, Carwin, and Cain is a tall order for a non-wrestler.

@ballkick

Of course he will, but it's his job so.. whatever. I just don't have a huge problem with the things Dana White says because he's usually pretty accurate. There is obviously going to be some business related bias when it comes to these things, but he doesn't contradict himself the way people act like he does.

I think Overeem belongs in the top 10hw based on how good he appears to be, but on the other hand he hasn't beaten anyone to take that spot so I also agree with him not being on the list.
Ballkick- November 16, 2010 at 8:24 am
Mark my words "IF" and it's big if, the UFC signs Overeem, he will be marketed as the next coming of "Christ",....Dana will fall over himself making statements about his prowess in the ring.
PT Barnum will pale in comparison.
blackboxmma- November 16, 2010 at 8:22 am
Overeem will beat the sht out of every heavy weight in the world. You would have to be nuts to fight this guy. Dana loses credibility by making statement like this; I don’t know why he would bullshit because he knows the deal. Give him 2 fights in the UFC and he is # 1 hands down. At least until the urine analysis comes back
ArmFarmer- November 16, 2010 at 8:16 am
I see the same situation here. Dana says he likes the guy and he's interested in signing him, but at the same time he's not a top 10 fighter based on his accomplishments. He's saying "Yeah he's pretty good and he's a well known fighter so I'd definitely like to sign him, but you're out of your mind if you think he's earned top 10 status." Again, not contradictory.
ArmFarmer- November 16, 2010 at 8:13 am
He downplayed Kimbo being regarded as a champion.. like he was some unstoppable force which is the way elitexc treated him.. they called him the best heavyweight striker in mma for gods sake.

Dana brought him in as a beginner, just like he said he would, and pushed only his hype and his popularity, they never acted like he was world class. The commercial for the ultimate fighter referred to him as "the worlds most famous street fighter" which is perfectly accurate and not contradictory.
Ballkick- November 16, 2010 at 7:59 am
All I was trying to say in my post is that Dana has been wishy washy about certain fighters like Kimbo (for example). He downplays there importance until he is holding their leash. Then as if by magic they become a viable commodity.
ArmFarmer- November 16, 2010 at 6:29 am
@bleak
I overlooked your post, but I agree. It seems like a lot of people don't understand what a contradiction is.

Here's an example of: "Kimbo is a terrible fighter" "Kimbo is a great fighter" contradiction

"Kimbo is a terrible fighter, he has no skills and would get dominated by anyone good"

"Kimbo is really applying himself to learning the skills needed for mma and I'm really impressed with the attitude he's had since signing on for the ultimate fighter"

Not a contradiction....
Canadian Chronic- November 16, 2010 at 6:19 am
@ballkick

Was thinking the same thing. Its like when yer bratty niece/nephew, next door neighbor, etc. FINALLY gets told no, they usually come back with,"well, I didn't want it anyway! hummpfpfpfp!"

For the head of an organization, DFW sure acts like a child.
ArmFarmer- November 16, 2010 at 6:19 am
and for the record, I never actually saw one example of Dana literally contradicting himself in terms of Kimbo. If you actually look at what he said.. wasn't any contradiction.
ArmFarmer- November 16, 2010 at 6:13 am
@Harms

It is irrelevant how many times Overeem has fought in the last few years, post the number of times he has fought for STRIKEFORCE. That is the relevant number, and I'm betting it's tiny.

Also, if you went back and did some research on what the ufc guys were doing and why they didn't fight 3 times a year.. you'd probably find a lot more legitimate reasons than because they were crushing cans in Japan where they don't test for roids for easy pay days while holding onto another organizations hw title and refusing to defend it. Like maybe because one of them was about to die.
RSparrow- November 16, 2010 at 6:03 am
Sorry to be the bad guy, but I agree 100 percent with Dana.

We've hardly got the chance to see if Alistair can even handle himself on the ground, and that's a HUGE part of mma. K-1 nullifies that opportunity.

I still believe that in some cases he can be listed on the top ten, but it's a good argument. Also, it doesn't mean Dana doesn't want his horse-eating ass in the Octagon, more good fights = more fame and bitches. Right?
Dagnut- November 16, 2010 at 2:30 am
Why can't he just keep his mouth shut? no one wants to hear it... the pointless drivel he spouts where he will inevitably contradicts himself and his company.
Watching TUF with the missus>>
responding to White jabbering on
"Who is this guy?"
"The president of the UFC"
"was he a fighter?"
"No"
"Is he a coach?"
"No"
"well who cares what he thinks?"

exactly.
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