I would too.. it’d be nice to see the dude fight some tough fights I don’t even care who it’s for I just wish he’d step up his competition.

I personally would love to see Overeem in the UFC,…Win,…..Lose,….whatever.
That is the only way either of us could answer this question definitively.

@Ballkick

You are right, it is because he isn’t in ufc.. because if he was he would have had to fight good fighters by now because the ufc is smart enough to not let someone win their hw title and then run to japan with it for 3 fucking years. You have to beat top 10 opponents to be ranked top 10 and almost all of them are in the ufc, not in k1, not dream… there are a couple in strikeforce but.. you have to actually fight them. I mean does this not make sense to you guys?

@dagnut

You are right, I mean look how huge mix martial arts was 10 years ago. Now I can barely find anyone that has heard of that mma stuff.. Dana White ruined everything!

Moving on from the sarcasm.. time cop, Brock Lesnar has finished Randy Couture and Frank Mir in brutal fashion, almost died… and then survived 3 straight minutes of power punches from Shane Carwin and then choked him out.

Overeem’s beaten Brett Rogers.. and a huge pile of cans. He held the strikeforce hw title for like 3 years without defending it. Look Overeem up on sherdog, his record for the last 4 years is a joke.

That is why Lesnar should be ranked and Overeem is questionable. If you are judging by accomplishments and not potential, then Overeem hasn’t done much at hw.

Everyone referring to him as “Dana”…he’s not your fucking friend he’s a megalomaniac, we shouldn’t even know this pricks name, yet he’s more famous than 90% of his roster…doesn’t anyone see anything wrong with that?
And now he thinks he can have a go at the media because of their rankings?
If you don’t think a rant like that shows him up for what he is your as bad as he is….he seems to think it will be the biggest sport in the world in 10 years….not with him at the helm it won’t. His idea of an informed debate is him informing you of your opinion.

JCVD as Timecop,…I think I can answer that very easily: He’s not signed by the UFC…that is why.
Even if every MMA writer,fan,Critic,…etc…list him in the top 10. Dana will downplay his importance because he is no in their stable of fighters.

Looking at Brock Lesnar’s record, it makes me wonder how people think he’s a top-10 HW.
He was 2-1 when White gave him a title shot, after winning against a has-been, a never-was and losing against a recovering alcoholic. He then took the belt from someone’s grandfather, and defended it from the alcoholic-turned-has-been, pretty much got saved by bad reffing against a superior striker, then lost the belt to a fighter who actually has talent and skill.

Why is it so insane that someone with a more impressive record outside of the UFC might be on the same list?

@ Rsparrow

He’s not half bad on the ground. He’s got a nice sprawl, he’s very controlling when he’s on top, and he’s got something like 15 subs on his resume. I think he’d definitely have a problem with Cain and Brock’s wrestling, but its not like his ground game hasn’t been tested. He’s just known as a striker.

@ rwilsonr and ant farm : The UFC has grown to the point where if you followed the sport especially over the last decade you see a growing ‘it has quit being in the fringe so now i hate it’ haters pop up. I been blasted here and on other sites for daring defend the evil that is the ufc and DW, even though anyone who has watched from the get-go knows they made MMA…..

Even Pride in its heyday was responding to the changes the UFC made happen. Even when Pride was largely reguarded as #1 the UFC spent towards growth where as they spent towards luxery.

But if you have n xbox you will have 50 people here tell you why it sucks sine it is microsoft and how much better PS3 is… some people do not want to be happy.

Personally i am giddy i do not have to watch boxing to get a violence fix, speaking of shit….

I think people also reflexively want to catch Dana in a “gotcha” moment, and one of the easiest ways is to try and call him a hypocrite for saying contradictory things. He says some stupid shit for sure, but he also says a lot of legitimate shit, too, and refelxive dislike for him shouldn’t blind people to that. And occasionally he might say contradictory things, but that occurance is a lot more rare than most people who hate him would like. It certainly didn’t happen in this instance, nor with Kimbo.

Thanks for the support. It just seems like mma fans like to jump to conclusions a lot of time without really thinking about what’s going on. It’s like “Dana said something bad about someone, and then he said something good about them later.. contradiction!” when there’s usually a little more to it than that.

As usual, Dana presents his argument with the tact of a 15 year old with ADHD, but between all the “fucks” and “shits”, there is truth. Overeem’s last 8 opponents since Jan 1, 2008:

Lee-Tae Hyun, 0:36 KO
Mark Hunt, 1:11 Sub
Cro Cop (No contest, 3x Knees to the Junk)
Gary Goodridge, 1:42 Sub
Tony Sylvester, 1:23 Sub
James Thompson, 0:33 Sub
Kazuyuki Fujita, 1:15 KO
Brett Rogers, 3:40 KO

You don’t see these kind of results anywhere but the recycling plant or Bully Beatdown. Maybe he should get in touch with Mayhem to help step up his competition a little.

Thank you ArmFarmer for bringing some sense of rationality and understanding to this debate, not least of which coming from you actually bothering to have a basic comprehension of the words being used. I was reading through this while on a conference call, wanting to post aftewards, only to find that I had nothing more to contribute since you had handled things so adeptly. I agree 100% with everything that you said.

@blackboxmma

I don’t see him being able to handle the wrestling powerhouses in the ufc.. with or without roids, taking out Brock, Carwin, and Cain is a tall order for a non-wrestler.

@ballkick

Of course he will, but it’s his job so.. whatever. I just don’t have a huge problem with the things Dana White says because he’s usually pretty accurate. There is obviously going to be some business related bias when it comes to these things, but he doesn’t contradict himself the way people act like he does.

I think Overeem belongs in the top 10hw based on how good he appears to be, but on the other hand he hasn’t beaten anyone to take that spot so I also agree with him not being on the list.

Mark my words “IF” and it’s big if, the UFC signs Overeem, he will be marketed as the next coming of “Christ”,….Dana will fall over himself making statements about his prowess in the ring.
PT Barnum will pale in comparison.

Overeem will beat the sht out of every heavy weight in the world. You would have to be nuts to fight this guy. Dana loses credibility by making statement like this; I don’t know why he would bullshit because he knows the deal. Give him 2 fights in the UFC and he is # 1 hands down. At least until the urine analysis comes back

I see the same situation here. Dana says he likes the guy and he’s interested in signing him, but at the same time he’s not a top 10 fighter based on his accomplishments. He’s saying “Yeah he’s pretty good and he’s a well known fighter so I’d definitely like to sign him, but you’re out of your mind if you think he’s earned top 10 status.” Again, not contradictory.

He downplayed Kimbo being regarded as a champion.. like he was some unstoppable force which is the way elitexc treated him.. they called him the best heavyweight striker in mma for gods sake.

Dana brought him in as a beginner, just like he said he would, and pushed only his hype and his popularity, they never acted like he was world class. The commercial for the ultimate fighter referred to him as “the worlds most famous street fighter” which is perfectly accurate and not contradictory.

All I was trying to say in my post is that Dana has been wishy washy about certain fighters like Kimbo (for example). He downplays there importance until he is holding their leash. Then as if by magic they become a viable commodity.

@bleak
I overlooked your post, but I agree. It seems like a lot of people don’t understand what a contradiction is.

Here’s an example of: “Kimbo is a terrible fighter” “Kimbo is a great fighter” contradiction

“Kimbo is a terrible fighter, he has no skills and would get dominated by anyone good”

“Kimbo is really applying himself to learning the skills needed for mma and I’m really impressed with the attitude he’s had since signing on for the ultimate fighter”

Not a contradiction….

@ballkick

Was thinking the same thing. Its like when yer bratty niece/nephew, next door neighbor, etc. FINALLY gets told no, they usually come back with,”well, I didn’t want it anyway! hummpfpfpfp!”

For the head of an organization, DFW sure acts like a child.

and for the record, I never actually saw one example of Dana literally contradicting himself in terms of Kimbo. If you actually look at what he said.. wasn’t any contradiction.

@Harms

It is irrelevant how many times Overeem has fought in the last few years, post the number of times he has fought for STRIKEFORCE. That is the relevant number, and I’m betting it’s tiny.

Also, if you went back and did some research on what the ufc guys were doing and why they didn’t fight 3 times a year.. you’d probably find a lot more legitimate reasons than because they were crushing cans in Japan where they don’t test for roids for easy pay days while holding onto another organizations hw title and refusing to defend it. Like maybe because one of them was about to die.

Sorry to be the bad guy, but I agree 100 percent with Dana.

We’ve hardly got the chance to see if Alistair can even handle himself on the ground, and that’s a HUGE part of mma. K-1 nullifies that opportunity.

I still believe that in some cases he can be listed on the top ten, but it’s a good argument. Also, it doesn’t mean Dana doesn’t want his horse-eating ass in the Octagon, more good fights = more fame and bitches. Right?

Why can’t he just keep his mouth shut? no one wants to hear it… the pointless drivel he spouts where he will inevitably contradicts himself and his company.
Watching TUF with the missus>>
responding to White jabbering on
“Who is this guy?”
“The president of the UFC”
“was he a fighter?”
“No”
“Is he a coach?”
“No”
“well who cares what he thinks?”

exactly.

White is right that Overeem isn’t very good. He is only in the top 10 due to a lack of talent in the HW division. Bottom line is that he was a mid level LHW that roided up and has never beaten a good HW. If he faces a top level HW he will lose.

Come on CP. Let’s post better articles than this. Is it “news” that Dana White won’t promote a fighter he doesn’t have under contract? Surprise, surprise.

Why would he sing praise for an unsigned fighter? Isn’t he already on the hook to Roy Jones Jr for enough?

And, is it just me, or did CP take a very anti-Dana stand after you all posted illegal, copyrighted photos of Arianny on your site?

A couple months CP is toting their UFC fan expo booth, tea bagging UFC brass…then boom, you get caught posting copyrighted photos.

Now the majority of your stories have a negative ufc/dana spin.

Way to be unbiased journalists.

Velasquez
Werdum
Fedor
Allistair
Lesnar
Barnett
Dos Santos
Carwin
Mir
Tim Silvia catch weight

Dana White isn’t really contradicting himself at all in the posted quotes. He doesn’t say that Overeem sucks anywhere in those quotes, only that he isn’t top ten, and he has some sound reasoning for disputing others’ claims that Overeem is top ten. Most of his bouts are in K-1, and he hasn’t fought enough top heavyweights in mma. It seems like CP is at least as hung-up on Dana White as Dana White is hung-up on mma bloggers.

What is Dana’s continued nonsense of the top HW’s fighting 3 times a year? This is the number of fights the “top” UFC HW’s have fought in the past 3 years:

Shane Carwin- 5
Brock Lesnar- 6
Frank Mir- 6
Cain Velasquez- 7
Cheik Kongo- 8
Big Nog- 4
Crocop-8
Junior Dos Santos- 7

Hell, only Crocop and Dos Santos have fought 3 times this year.

Oh yeah, Overeem has fought 8 times in the same time span while fighting K-1.

A. fedor is on his downslide, and he still will not be fighting in the UFC
B. Carwin was not ranked until he fought Mir and gonzaga (not in that order) so that arguement makes little sense.
C. DW has a point, Overeem has not beaten anyone worth mentioning, at HW, like ever. Please do not mention Brett Rogers…. cuz that would be pathetic.

Okay, this dialogue aside, why is Nogueira on all but one of those lists? White wants to talk “fucking embarrassing” and “relevant”? I know he’s a “legend” and all that, but he seriously needs to win some fights* to stay in the top 10.

*convincingly, and against current, relevant heavyweights, not go to decision with someone’s grandfather.

The UFC won’t get Fedor or Ubereem until they are on their downslide.

Anyone who still considers Fedor the #1 Fighter in the world is a complete bag of douche. The guys dodging fights with a champion that WANTS to fight him to me that means he knows himself he isn’t the best anymore.

I like Overeem a lot and I think he may Easily be one of the p4p fighters in the world so today I will step out of my box and disagree with ol’Dana white. You see he doesn’t just finish fights he does it in an exciting manner in fact I would like to Nominate Overeem as the new Poster Child for exciting fights because as far back as I can remember there hasn’t been an unwatchable fight involving him.

The p4p lists are just ego boosts. Fighters are fighters and to be honest I wish more of them had the attitude that the one kid on Ultimate Fighter has he’s humble he knows that at any point it can all end. I think something the fans of MMA forget though when they see a non exciting fight or a non exciting fighter on the p4p list is that Fighters don’t do all the Training, Preparation, all the blood sweat and tears its not for us. It’s their lively hood that’s why they do it. Keep it real Potato Nation!

LOL @ Chris Tuchscherer, Anthony Perosh comment.

I am entertained to no end by Dana White doing his best Kimbo Slicesque double-speak about Alistair Overeem.
I know Dana thinks this site and it’s writers are scum-sucking turds, but Dana if you do read this I have some advice for you:
If you have integrity, nothing else matters. If you don’t have integrity, nothing else matters.
Dana I hope you realize your are coming off like a spoiled little kid who didn’t get a present at some other kids birthday party.

@ Danomite

I agree. Being big and skilled appears to be a hard combination in every sport. A lot of it has to do with a heavy weight’s striking power as most of them hit like freight trains one hit is all it can take sometimes, so you don’t get much of a fight out of them. Hardly any of the top 10 are reknown for showing off their ground game aside from taking a fighter down and even fewer from working off their back due to the size of their opponents as they can’t afford to get hit by some of these monsters when their backs are on the mat.

Not to kick you when you’re down, Crusader86, but Overeem never beat Shogun. Two fights, two losses to Mauricio.

Dana must be referring to the otherAlistar Overeem. You know, the one that was ranked in 9th place by Mmaweekl and not the one that was ranked seventh ON THE SAME FREKING LIST!

I’d like to say that I agree with Dana but it’s hard for me to think of more than ten good heavyweight fighters. So, he kinda is a top ten fighter by default.

Yeah Top ten is ridiculous! Now Top 2 maybe top 3 is a little more like it.

crusader86 overeem never beat shogun, he actually lost twice to him

Josh Barnett as a Top ten….HAHAHAHAHA!
Boy that guy sure made a name for himself off that shaky decision victory over Big Nog.
When I think of Josh Barnett, the most flattering thing I can say about him was that he went out in a blaze of glory against the rock one night in Jersey…to this day it’s one of the best KO’s I’ve ever seen live at a UFC event…the taj mahal went crazy that night.

Dana’s being an ass. He can clearly fight on the ground, he’s a K-1 level striker, and extremely experience to boot. He’s fought and beat Shogun Rua and Vitor Belfort, not to mention fighting some other tough guys like Nog. I’d love to see him in the UFC.

MMAweekly.com
Look! I’m not the only one who thinks his horse muscles should count as a separate person!

If rankings are based on achievement Overeem is barely top ten maybe even lower. There’s a few guys who I’d put above him that I think he’d wreck though.

The MMAWeekly list comes in 4 different flavors of fail.

MMAWEEKLY.com
1. Cain Velasquez (9-0) – UFC
2. Fabricio Werdum (14-4-1) – Strikeforce
3. Fedor Emelianenko (31-2, 1 NC) – Strikeforce
4. Brock Lesnar (5-2) – UFC
5. Junior dos Santos (12-1) – UFC
6. Shane Carwin (12-1) – UFC
7. Alistair Overeem (33-11, 1 NC) – Strikeforce<– LOL
8. Frank Mir (14-5) – UFC
9. Alistair Overeem (33-11, 1 NC) – Strikeforce<– LOL
10. Brett Rogers (11-2) – Strikeforce

The head of the NFL and NBA have government sanctioned monopolies and are in no way comparable in this situation.

If the CFL was considered a rival for the best players in the world, you can bet your ass Roger Goodell would have something to say.

That being said, at this point Dana has all the credibility of a meth head asking for money to take his grandma to the hospital.

I say the Top Ten rankings are as follows…

Fedor
Cain
Dos Santos
Werdum
Overeem
Barnett
Lesnar
Carwin
Nelson
Mir