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I think Velasquez will handle it since the fight is already been set.

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Im From Yuma Arizona, and use to watch Cain wrestle in high school. Back then everyone called him the bus. Cain has been training is whole life His blood and sweat has gotten him to where he is now. No prancing around a wwf ring or running his mouth. He shows people his actions are stronger than his words. I doubted his ability vs check congo and was questionable with his last fight. He is constant and will not give up. And has proven he can take a punch. He has youth expereince and conditioning on his side. As much as ufc markets brock this is his end cain will be the champ…

^ That being said, I couldn’t give flying fuck if both fighters where pink with purple polka dots, it should be an awesome fight with big dudes willing to get it on, not sure who I’m on yet, the pros and cons of both guys are worth plenty of thought.

Curious Fact: Both fighters have come from basically no MMA background to top 2 HW’s in similar fashion as far as fight experience goes.

Hells bells and mademoiselles, this ones taken a bit of a turn, Its amazing how people can classify you and your personality type by your tattoo, here in Aussie, The Southern Cross is a very popular tattoo, but now it seems anyone who sports a Southern Cross tattoo is considered a redneck racist, I proudly wear the Southern Cross and Eureka Stockade flag because of what it means to me, not because of some reckockulous racial stereotype, and I’d suggest most people are the same about their tatts.
You want to see racism and an abhorrent class structure, have a look at India, man they are the world champs IMO, and yes been there worked with plenty in the marine industry.

This thread is hilarious! Everyone is debating racism when the subject of the discussion has never, ever uttered anything even remotely racist. Dude trains with a bunch of honkeys in San Jose for chrissakes.

My take on the Brown Pride/White Pride thing goes thusly – Cain has never behaved in a racist way (unless he was feeling RACE HATE when he clowned Kongo, Stoinic, et al) whereas the type of people who get “White Pride” tattooed on their chest tend to be racist motherfuckers.

There are so many different types of “white people” from all over the world that being proud to be white and of “white heritage” marks you out as an ignorant jackass. What the fuck is white heritage anyway?

If you’re proud to be “white” you’re an idiot. If you’re proud of your ancestry/heritage, that’s another thing. The people who are proud of that tend to focus on specifics, which is why Marcus Davis walks around in a kilt and comes out to “Jump Around” by House of Pain to celebrate his Irish heritage. If he came out waving a “White Power” flag, everyone would think he is a racist fool, and rightly so.

Cain is proud of his ancestry, he is not advocating the brown master race re-takes Texas and enslaves the white man. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a disingenuous fool.

-written by the whitest man you will ever meet

Dear X

Actually she is a mexican and has zero issue with being called hispanic. Possibly you are just a wee bit sensitive and might try looking at yourself rather than point fingers.

And since I have lived in Mexico as well as Nicaragua and Honduras and have travelled thru all of central America and most of south America, I can assure you, there are fewer racist places than south of the border. Asia as possibly the exception. Except they are racist on each other based on skin tone, family heritage, and nationality. Ask a Colombian what they think of of any other HISPANIC and let me know. Mexico itself is racist mostly based off aztec vs spanish heritage, or varying degrees of both.

Again, not book learned or web site based, learned by actually living there. Have you ever lived anywhere else? Thus far you are spouting aztlan propaganda as history. We learned that in the 3rd grade.

i”m bringin sexy back

that is all

@rwilsonr……2 add to my statement that ” anyone who disagrees with me does not have an education” which if you read my comment never states that..proves my point u r at a third grade level…resorting to name calling….how mature are you….look u have your opinion thats great….if we were able 2 be face 2 face…I would gladly lower myself to your level……as for @ccman…Hispanic is an insult 2 mexicans ….however you have a hispanic girlfriend so then it would apply to my point point of going through racism as a mexican….(sarcasm) Major point is I consider myself an American who knows what my ethnic background is…..Can’t wait 4 cain 2 kick some ass…..period…..

Now now, theres nothing wrong with being proud about who you are. The tattoo isn’t racist and it sure as hell has nothing to do with hating others. Thats just uncalled for and is not what I ment by any means. I have an Irish Pride Tattoo so Represent what you are and be proud, hold onto it. Anyone who has a problem with that can go fuck themselves Karma out. Just know what your talking about when you bring up my country and bash it K thx bai.

Fuck Cain’s racist ass. I wonder how he’d like it if someone walked by him with a white pride tattoo. Brock’s gonna pound his bitch ass.

“Dey tuk er jerbs!”

I’m sorry, someone had to say it.

Thank you ccman for that!

You are absolutely right.

@ X – You are a complete jackass, and assuming people don’t have an education because they disagree with you may be one of the dmbest assumptions out there. In fact, assume you probably have the same mindless progressive education that most who go through our university system get. Maybe I’m overestimating for you, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt on that.

For the record, I don’t think Brock should get a “White Pride” tattoo, either, and would be equally offended by that. I actually think taking pride in your race is silly because it has very little to do with you. And those arguing that people don’t understand the “Brown Pride” thing, because it was a way for Mexicans to “feel good” about themselves, or accepted as part of a communnity – do you really get what you are saying? If that is the case, Cain Velasquez is a pretty pathetic person, because say what you want about Brock, but he is pretty self-confident. While Cain is so insecure in himself he needs to find a sense of community and brand it on his chest for acceptance, Brock is so damn secure in himself that he puts a giant cock on his chest just daring anyone to call him a fag, and not looking for some juvenile sense of acceptance from anyone. I don’t like Brock much, but he comes off looking a lot less pathetic if you apply X’s argument.

@ DaltonSwayze – I think you make one of the best points, though. Love him or hate him, at least it makes people care about him… which is a lot more than CV’s personality would do on its own.

Just to toss an ounce of education and experience into the tattoo debate.

I am a billion miles from racist.. my bro in law is black. Gf hispanic. 2 neices asian… seriously. That said:

And time a person of color bitches about white history of oppression and how whites are the root of all things aweful I dare them to travel thru anywhere south of here for longer than an all inclusive weekend in cancun. Go to africa for any amount of time. Racism is universal. And the US is on the more mild side worldwide on oppression.

The brown pride tattoo is a question of nationalism or lack there of…. not race. I have the same issue with irish americans who have never left this country but have an idea\dream of what ireland is really like. Generally based off 30 year old stories. Can add italians, russians, whatever.

Personally I am sick of hyphanated Americans… just be an American you dumb fucks.

@ Frank Dux & LAS

You are both right and wrong. The US was not the first to abolish slavery, but they were right in line with just about every major Western country by a decade or two. Considering that the individual states operated as essentially autonomous nation states while as colonies, through the revolutionary war, and well into the beginnings of the country, you could rightly say that many of them, like Vermont and Mass predated almost any other Western nation in banning slavery.

However, it would be absolutely incorrect to say that because many of the Western powers banned the ‘slave trade’, that they effectively barred slavery in their borders or in their colonies. France especially used slavery to rape their colonies of resources well after they banned the slave trade. And Russia pre-dated most other countries in a slavery ban, but still maintained their system of serfdom long, long after which amounted to conditions we would easily consider slavery over here.

More importantly, LAS ignores entirely Frank Dux’s larger point about slavery being a human condition, which all races have perpetrated and suffered. LAS fails to address this because it doesn’t allow him to continue down his grievance peddling based on race. Nor does he address that the US has spent more time, effort, and money ending these abusive practices throughout the world than anyone, by far, and that means a lot more than a symbolic proclamation made by other countries a few years prior. The record of the US on race is not pretty, but Frank is right in implying that it is much better than most anywhere else in the world ever in the entire history of human kind. However, none of us has enslaved anyone, or been a slave, or even been a generation removed from that, and everybody enjoys the same opportunities on the whole. Anymore, the only reason racism exists outside of fringe elements of society in America is because of race peddlars trying to create a system of victimhood to drum up political obeisance, or to assuage some manufactured guilt.

If you r not a Mexican who has been through Racism, you will not understand the Brown pride tattoo. Brown pride originated around 1969 when it was considered “dirty” to be Mexican. Brown Pride has nothing to do with violence or superiority, it has everything to do with Family, protection, education and being equal with everyone else in American. In contrast to most history with “white power” no one will be hanging from trees or assualted from Brown pride. It’s amazing the limited viewpoints of most people here on CP…..not even high school level…..more like 3rd grade…..

The Brown Pride tattoo, right or wrong, obviously rubs a lot of people the wrong way. It’s probably the only thing interesting about the man, so at least he has that going for him.

Oh and on CV’s Brown Pride tattoo…I think its cool for him. Its understandable, however I really do no think that if Brock had
“White Power” on his stomach he would be a star either…

Cant wait to see what Brock has for those Leg Kicks..WARRRR CAIN!!!

looks like he’s wearing makeup.

How come Dana makes all the right decisions and Scott Coker can’t get his head out of his @ss?

I hate brock and I’m not a huge cain fan…. either way I get to see one of them lose. Best case scenario… one of those awesome double knockouts you see on replays!

Coming from Ireland I know all too well about the hot bed of inter-veg hatred that arises when one group of tubers try to proclaim their own starchy superiority over all others. That was the only good thing that came out of the famine, the unification of all things potato. Then with spuds of all variety rallying together they managed to over throw the small-mindedness of cultivar segregation and realise the power that a vegetable united can wield.
“Potato Pride” is pride for all potatoes.
There’s a lot we could learn from vegetables, if only we took the time to listen to them!

@ Seoul Brother:

Waffle fries FTW and FUCK Jin Kazama and Ryu…Zangief all the way!

As for the fight…It still amazes me that people still hate on Brock in the way they do. Obviously not everyone is going to be a fan of the guy…but the amount of people who say he’s a horrible, shitty fighter are crazy. The guy has improved in every fight, and handled tremendous adversity and still wins. I’m a fan of both Cain and Lesnar so I’m just hoping for a good fight, whatever the outcome, it doesn’t matter…but after the fight with Carwin, it’s tough to see anyone beating Lesnar.

@CheechFace: Thank you for that, sir, but surely with “Potato Pride,” there’s gonna be the inevitable debate about which is better: latkes, tater tots, steak fries, french fries, hash browns, gnocchi, pierogi, etc.

Goddamn, from the comments, if someone had a Jin Kazama tat on their shoulder, there’s a lot of people here who would say “Fuck Jin Kazama! Ryu is the shit!”

WOW!
A lot of sand in a lot of vaginas in the comments here.
How bout who gives a fuck what CV tatoos on himself!
Be proud or don’t be proud, he doesn’t hate other races, so who cares.
Getting all worked up about shit like this means you probably have some real problems dealing with who you are, it’s your issue not his.
CHILL THE FUCK OUT!

I know that this thread has taken a massive turn towards ethics and morality rather than potatoey goodness and I hate to add to the steaming pile of rhetoric but I do think there is a huge difference between “white pride” and “brown pride”. The difference is in the meaning that we place on the terms though. I think “brown pride” is on par with “American pride” and I see no problem with anyone being proud of their roots. “White pride” is a little too close to “white power” and the accompanying connotations do scream blatant bigotry, ignorance and intolerance.

Now back to the important stuff………… “Potato Pride”
Brock, second round KO.

For the anyone who is white and, with a high school education, believes it’s not fair brown people get to have brown pride tatoos or speak brown languages in front of Americans; wishes to recount a glorious narrative of a colorless citizenry tearing down the framework of racism; feel anyone snobby enough to defend a racial double-standard doesn’t understand racism like you do; you may want to check out what Uncle Brooks recently wrote regarding Dr. Laura’s n-word usage. Real Dad would approve.

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“Her complaint that “if anybody without enough melanin says it, it’s a horrible thing. But when black people say it, it’s affectionate. It’s very confusing,” appears legitimate at first, but it fails to take into account that the country is still 66% white and 12% black. The n-word is an extremely compact reminder of this statistic, conveying solidarity when Wanda Sykes says it to Terrell Owens and vague threat when Dr. Laura says it to, um, every black person listening to her on the radio. It’s a reminder of who still runs the show.”

Just for the record LJM, America Abolished Slavery on January 1st 1863 However Brazil didn’t abolish slavery until May 13, 1888, Princess Isabel of Brazil was the ruler then in case you wish to check the facts. Oh snap dog you lose again. Hey just for the record some of us white folk aren’t hate mongers but we do like to get the facts straight.

Also in 1865 they were given the right to vote, Now some southern states used Literacy Laws and Property ownership value to refuse them said right. It was very much so illegal. Moving on to the subject of women Which where given the right to vote on August 26th 1920, Let’s see what other countries come after it Oh there’s Brazil , and not that Mexico is considered Western but they’re pretty far past us to. I don’t even need to continue because I already win oh well. TTFN

Oh and if you wish to know my sources I suggest truly learning to use the Internet and then hitting me up as I have them all bookmarked

1964 huh? Well I was’nt alive pre 1964 so I don’t see why I should be put at a disadvantage for something my predecessors may or may not have done to someone else. I am not saying I am better, I am just saying it does not accomplish anything to just turn around and give minorities more opportunites/freedoms then whites. If we are equals then make us equal, don’t hire the guy with worse or no qualifactions over the higher qualified guy because he is’nt white, and vice versa. How is that fair?
Oh yeah Lesnar FTW via 1st round KO.

Frank Dux, the U.S. was the LAST of the Western Nations to get rid of slavery. It was the LAST of the Western Nations to give equal rights to non-whites (and women). History is fun when you sit down and read it.

That said, let’s be clear. Blacks are just as racist as whites and latinos and everyone else. Mexicans come here to work because this is an awesome country and they know it and many choose to become citizens because of it. And Ballkick is 100% correct. We should try to hate everyone equally.

That is all.

@ LAS…simple message….People vote with their feet. Yep, the opportunities for Mexicans in this country are so horrible and the institutional racism so overwhelming that they stampede here by the millions. Mexico feels entitled to dump their outrageous overbreeding problems on the US…and then they have ATTITUDE about it. Amazing.

I know exactly how this fight will play out. Brock goes for the takedown, Cain tries to defend it, Brock throws Cain out of the ring and kills him

you read it here first

@LAS…you are clearly living in the past. Here, now, in the year 2010, where white people are forced to be ashamed of their race because people like you need to be a constant reminder of what our ancestors did to the blacks. If you actually open your eyes, you will see that blacks are 100x more racist of white people than white people are of blacks. Don’t believe me? Try walking through downtown Detroit after dark, or any urban city at that (although I have a sneaking suspicion that you aren’t white). What happens if a black person (or any other race) walks down a predominately white suburb after dark? Probably nothing.

I went to a free concert in Palm Beach once, and much to my dismay Fantasia was there performing…It took me a half hour to move through the crowd of black people because nobody wanted move for the white boy. I got called a honky, got punched in the back of the head, and got told to go on back to my “honky ass” neighborhood, all by different people. I’ve been white all my life, and I’ve never seen another white person treat a black stranger that way. However, there was one black guy that rose above the rest and actually cleared the way so that I could get out. Needless to say it was a traumatic experience.

I’m not saying white’s have ever been oppressed, or that whites have always treated other races fairly, but this day in age, you are a fucking retard if you say there is no double-standard with race.

Oh and btw, the black africans played a major role in hording their own kind off as slaves before any were even brought to the americas. So saying whites are completely responsible for african slave labor is just ignorant.

If we’re going to talk history we need to talk the whole of it an not just the stuff that happens to be convenient for people with liberal white guilt to remember and talk about. Slavery and racism is not a white problem or an American problem, it is a human problem. People of every conceivable color, creed, religion and ethnic group have been enslaving and killing each other for thousands of years. The ONLY thing – THE ONLY THING – that sets apart the United States is that in THIS country, the citizenry rose up as united people and said we were not going to take it anymore and changed it, stamped it out actually. One of the only places in the entire WORLD at the time to do such a thing. I realize it is cool and in style to bash America for whatever reason and consider yourself instead a “citizen of the world” but that shit won’t fly with me.

Anyway, back to the matter at hand – Brock overwhelms Cain in this one, but I’m looking forward to a competition, at least.

All this race talk and no one brings up the fact that Les-nahr is “built like a black man”?

I want no part of the racial pride bullshit, wear what you want, tattoo what you want, be who you want.
I am not racist, I try to hate everyone the same.

Now to Brock and Cain, every time Brock has fought I have rallied against him. I don’t care who the opponent is, his race, or anything else. I just wanted Brock to lose. I think he is a terrible fighter and his last fight with Shane Carwin solidified this for me. It is just a matter of time until someone knocks this goof out.

But for this fight I am going to get behind the Chest-Penis and root for him unabated. I want him to win, with every cell of my body I want Brock to win. I will even bet all my friends that he will win. Why you ask?
Because by backing him I will be backing the guy who usually loses.
Go Brock Go…..yeah!

You have no idea how fucking hard that was to write for me.

I wont go into depth on reading much of what is being spewed, they are both fine specimens when it comes to MMA Cains hands are so amazing to watch go off and his wrestling is so strong “HOWEVER” and heres the clutch bit of information. Brock is a ridiculous specimen He is so fast and so agile and hate him or love him which I personally love wearing my DeathClutch Tshirt to Buffalo Wild wings, and MMA parties just to see what people say, So I like him but point being He is evolving as a Wrestler and that in its own is fucking scary when you consider how good he already his. He trains out of an amazing camp as well as shares camps with Randy Couture when Captain America isn’t filming movies and what not. So what I am trying to point out is that where Cain is just amazing and may shock everyone it is Unlikely that he will control any part of the ground game. If he ends up on his back I just can’t see him lasting very long. To each there own I am torn in a manner of speaking but just because I have always stuck with him I will continue to Cheer on Brock. Well written article by the way I enjoyed it.

I think having pride in something like your race or your sexual orientation or where you were born is silly. You had nothing to do with it. But when the concept of “black pride” first came around in the 60′s, it really meant “not ashamed to be black.” Just like gay pride is about not being ashamed of being gay.

The reason there is an NAACP is because, like LAS said, for centuries, white people decided the fates of black and brown people with the force of law. So, yeah, it’s different. Look, I don’t even think affirmative action works, so that’s how much of a leftist I am on this issue.

Let me put it this way. Most gay folks at Gay Pride parades don’t think gays are better than straights, they just want to be accepted for who they are. Most Latino’s who wear the “Brown Pride” don’t think Latinos are better than everyone else. But close to (if not exactly) 100% of people who subscribe to the philosophy of “White Pride” believe that white people are superior to non-whites and they can lay down a shitload of pseudoscience to prove their point.

So, no, silly as “brown pride” or “gay pride” are, they are absolutely not the same as “white pride.”

Someone needs to post a youtube video of his interview in the countdown to the nog fight (I think it was that one) where he sucks mexicos dick for like 15 minutes and in the same conversation mentions how his dad had to jump the border like 15 times to get here… and never once says a word about America or the opportunities that he’s had because his father decided not to raise his son in a shithole. He’s a piece of shit in my book. Sorry to ruin your snobby rant LAS. The guy is a tool and he doesn’t appreciate America for shit.

That’s typically how these people are.. I dated a Mexican girl and her family sucked they all spoke english but would only speak spanish around me so I never knew what was going on and couldn’t participate in conversations.. and then they said I was rude and antisocial. I didn’t know wtf they were saying. They just expected me to learn spanish even though they have lived in America longer than I have. It’s really obnoxious. Not to mention they housed illegals and would send money back to mexico that they were making from their american business. Shit like that just rubs me the wrong way.

And I’ll agree, the day it’s ok for me to have a white pride tattoo is the day I’ll be fine with a brown pride tattoo.

@MediumRare

My point is that there is no double-standard for racism in this country. Sure, everybody has heard some isolated anecdote about a white person being harassed by a non-white, but the history of institutional racism in this country is of whites opppressing non-whites. Last time I checked, you didn’t need a National Association for the Advancement of White People, because the US government never systematically conspired to withold basic human rights from white citizens. The Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964; it’s not like this is ancient history.

I understand why seeing a Brown Pride tattoo could provoke a reactionary impulse in people, especially those who grew up poor and white and certainly not feeling like the recipients of “white privilege,” but it seems to me it’s worth understanding that racism is more just a tattoo making you feel digusted or pissed off, it’s about the opportunities you have or don’t have because of structured inequalities based on race.

Hey I grew up in a town that was 99% hispanic, and my name was “white boy”. I got in a fight with a Mexican kid at school, and the next day his cousins destroyed my car while I was in class, so I can understand why some people can’t get past the “BROWN PRIDE” tattoo. Personally I don’t give a shit either way. If you want to have brown pride good for you.

LAS, you have some serious issues you need to work that shit out it is scary.

@ LAS

Sometimes the “Brown Pride” tat hits a nerve simply because apparently it’s okay for minorities to express racial pride but it’s not okay for whites to do the same. Double standards are aggravating.

That pretty easy to understand, right?

The day I can start a lobbying organization called the National Association for the Advancement of White People I’ll be all cool with the “Brown Pride” tat.

Good call Darkhorse; as we all know, white Americans hate to be reminded of the history of oppression and inhuman treatment they suffered at the hands of their brown masters. After all, one only need to look at the history of the 19th and 20th centuries to see all the demeaningly racist stereotypes whites have been forced to endure…wait, hold on, somebody’s telling me something…you mean none of that ever happened? You mean that not all expressions of racial identity have similarly racist connotations, because racism refers to a condition in which racial identity is used to structure hierarchies of power and human rights, not petty political debates over racial terminology? So “brown pride” and “white pride” aren’t the same thing? But can I still bring my “Cain is a spic!” sign to UFC 121?

I realize at this point trying to convince people of this point is a losing cause, what with the Mexican invasion overtaking our country, but seriously, you’re going to complain of racism by Mexicans against whites? I’m sure Cain is crushed that his tattoo may have cost him a t-shirt deal with Ed Hardy, or Lacoste, or whatever the fuck brand oppressed white guys like to wear.

I completely disagree with some peoples criticisms of “CV’s” Brown Pride tattoo. I find it no different than an American flag, or Canadian flag tattoo. He isn’t hurting anyone, he isn’t anything but respectful in all his fights and interviews, so I have no problem with it. Sure it can be taken the wrong way, but I have found Cains explanations of it good enough for me.

As for marketing being lost because of it… are you fuckin’ retarded? You do realize the size of the South American/Central American market? You don’t have to like Cain, but be sure everyone from Mexico and surrounding areas will gravitate to him. White people already pay for UFC’s like nobodies business, Dana White doesn’t need your approval.

I’m not a huge fan of Cain’s blandness in interviews, but I totally respect the mans skills in the octagon. I’m a firm believer that the Velasquez/Lesner fight will be a close and exciting fight.

I’m with darkhorse – except for the “engaging” assessment. I’ve never seen a more dull fighter.

But his tattoo immediately makes me hate him. Then he tries to explain it away, and I hate him even more. How about some American pride, you ungrateful piece of shit?! This is the country that your father ran to for a better life, after all (which he received). Fuck him!

BTW CP, Props on updating us with upcoming events on the right, I knew you dumbasses would figure out how to do that sooner than later.

I think he means his resume when he says “CV”…. anyway, Brock is gonna destroy this bitch.

I think I would like him better if he had an MS-13 tattoo.

CV is engaging, intelligent and talented; unfortunately, no matter how hard he works or accomplishes I will never be able to get over his Brown Pride tattoo. I will never be able to root for him no matter how he tries to explain to tattoo away.

Im not a huge fan of Brocks huge veiny dick tattoo, but at least it doesnt refer to some gay ass racist point of view.

That tattoo cost him about 90% of his marketability.

@Casa: No, you’re thinking about what Josh Barnett wants to do to whomever he fights as he’s getting tired of wrestling with cyclops.

Yah Brock’s a tank, but he isn’t a natural fighter. Fucker cowers up when he gets punched and backs up. Hopefully Cain will practice takedown’s and keep the fight standing for long enough to KO Brock
… Then Again, Brock could just throw Cain down and hammercock the shit out of him. Hope not!

Brock had ring rust, if he says any different he is just choking on his pride.

Brock will anally murder rape velasquez.

I agree with dwmwtv, I’ll be watching the fight that night and be rooting for Velasquez but I don’t know if he’ll be able to out-wrestle the Brock. Either way, I know Velasquez won’t go away without a damn fight! It’s gonna be a war. Go Cain!

No doubt Cain is a better fighter but I don’t know if he can handle Brock’s size.

Cain will take this one. KO in the second round.

brock is a joke!

but he is big and overwhelming but stand up AHAHAHAAH carwin he turns away number one rule lol