By CagePotato contributor Dallas Winston
For a match-up of such epic proportions, both literally and figuratively, Lesnar vs. Carwin does not offer a ton of evidence to analyze.
In the grand scheme of the MMA heavyweight scene, both Brock Lesnar and Shane Carwin are relative newcomers, as their total career fights combined equates to a number one-half of former god Fedor Emelianenko’s times at bat. In only five fights, Lesnar has shown marked improvement and new aspects of an evolving game in each outing, and even though Carwin specified that his focus is becoming a well-rounded fighter, his right hand alone has left a trail of twelve motionless cadavers in its wake.
My team of MMA scientists submitted the official report from their pre-fight ceremonial ritual — in which bits of evidence are fed into the “MMA Math Machine” to extrapolate key factors that assist in fight predictions — and the findings for both read: Big. Strong. Wrestle good. Punch hard.
As much I’d like to over-glorify things, that’s really what this fight boils down to.
After a timely referee intervention and a Frank Mir kneebar that Oleg Taktarov surely toasted a shot of Smirnoff to, it seemed Lesnar fit the prototypical example of a strong and berserk aggressor who was no match for the technical superiority of a modern day mixed martial artist. Hardcore MMA fans cited Bohlander/Jackson while exchanging high-fives. Big Brock went on to display shades of technical basics in western boxing and Jiu Jitsu positioning; making his natural athleticism, freakish stature, and wrestling acumen a scary starting point rather than the limit to his abilities. WWE fans ripped their shirts off, flexed, chewed some Skoal, and went cow-tipping in celebratory bacchanal.
Anticipating a caveman takedown in their UFC 87 clash, Herring instead swallowed a leather-coated porterhouse steak in the opening moments that sent him flailing backwards, opening the cell door to Brock’s opportunity for three rounds of prison style rape. Brock actually came under fire for being unable to finish the experienced Herring (as only Cro Cop and Fedor could), but he proved how a conceptual grasp of BJJ can quickly bestow a green MMA grappler with good ground defense and an ideal perch to shower down hammerfists. Fast forward to Frank Mir II, where what was deemed a primitive “hold head, smash face” tactic was really a calculated neck crank against the fence that petrified Mir’s normally active guard and cleared the runway for unhindered clobbering.
Randy Couture, who helped Lesnar prepare for Carwin, crumbled under a glancing Lesnar right hand that was delivered with exceptional form for only five fights deep. Couture is not known as a striker, but let’s not forget that this is the man famous for slithering through blows in victories over renowned strikers like Vitor Belfort, Pedro Rizzo, Chuck Liddell, Tim Sylvia, and Brandon Vera.
The reason small details like tucking your chin when throwing a punch and staying light on your feet with your hands up are important is because it’s the very reason Shane Carwin got tagged square in the jaw by Wain, Wellisch, and Gonzaga. Long-term cardio and consistent output are question marks, as Carwin has never fought five full minutes nor enjoyed a seat on the stool in between rounds, burying everyone he’s faced in the first frame. Despite any suggestion of the slightest Carwin flaw being easily refuted by the statement “so what, he’s undefeated,” miniscule elements like this often make the difference. They’re also the only real warning signs you can point out about the guy.
He’s not a submission wizard, but that’s a wash against Brock. Both stated that BJJ is a big part of their training regimen, but neither have clocked any live fight-time off their back and probably won’t feel at ease in that position. There’s an argument for Brock having a slight edge in wrestling, but it’s close enough that the differentiator will likely center around timing and whoever sets up the takedown better.
Since match-ups between heralded grapplers often unfold in kickboxing affairs and both Lesnar and Carwin can torque more power standing than on the ground, I wouldn’t be surprised if the fight never goes to the mat. Some tiny nitpicking on Carwin’s striking defense, such as idle head-movement, having the tendency to remain flat-footed, and hanging his chin out would steer me toward Brock and his surprisingly ample boxing technique. The ability to vanquish opponents into the underworld of Hades with a mere touch of the hand often forgives many such sins.
Carwin’s rap sheet gives him the straight power-punching advantage, but Brock’s agility and footwork should allow him to avoid Hiroshima in the Octagon. Either fighter that can incorporate leg kicks could target the heavy lead leg both bear from their wrestling-oriented stance, but I don’t believe either fighter has even attempted the technique. It’s a toss-up, but it seems Brock should be more resilient with takedown defense, and the way everything has bounced off his chin so far puts him slightly ahead to out-box Carwin and hold his own everywhere else.
Though a single punch, takedown, or mistake could completely change or end the fight…
My Prediction: Lesnar by TKO
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Comments
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:20
That photoshop is amazing. It looks like claymation Brock is taking a giant clay dump though. Good article. Please don't ever refer to Brock as "surprisingly ample" again.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:24
None of these ^^^^ assholes even read the article...
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:24
Frank "Love Me Some Me" Mir vs Shane Carwin Part Deux, winner gets(another)shot at Lesnar. Why, you ask? To see who's next to get smashed by the Champ. But most importantly, to buy some time for Junior and Cain. Dana feeds either one to Brock and they'll be damaged goods... (Sandlot)"forever. Forreverrr. Forrrreverrrrr."
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:27
@Bitchuraba4958430583 Yes because I quoted it without reading it. I'm like fucking Nostradamus I knew what he would write before it was even posted. Just because you are hooked on failnics doesn't mean the rest of us read 3 words a minute.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:30
forget killing brock, mir will turn him to stone
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:34
I disagree about the better stand up goin to Brock... I give that to Carwin and I give any mat work to Brock. Its a toss up in my opinion Im just excited to see these to huge fuckers punch eachother in the face till one of them goes as my 4 year niece says "NITE NITE"
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:34
What article? (CRICKETS CHIRPING) Sorry Snatchuraba, maybe you'll be FIRST next time.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:36
@ the handsome, twat is such a funny word, you don't get to see it used often, i likes
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:36
Over the years, I think my right hand has left billions of motionless cadavers in it's wake. Can I have a heavyweight title shot now?
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:37
I hope Carwin takes it. Largely because of my loathing of Brock. Brock did lose weight when he was sick and is now sitting around 265 I hear, there goes his weight advantage. Don't let me down Carwin.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:39
@AlmostNorth As long as you don't refer to "The Brocken" as "claymation Brock". Deal? Thanks for the compliment.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:41
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Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:41
@ shatski; gross, are you talking about dried sperm on the floor
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:42
That was a pretty funny read, I must admit. Lesnar seems to be the safer bet, Dallas, but you forgot to factor in Brock's recovery from his illness and ring rust. Carwin by TKO 1st round.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:43
@Leonard Washington Haha my bad. Yours is better anyway. We have a deal. I will give Brock 200 dollars or the equivalent value in watery mass produced beer if he changes his fight name to "The Brocken". Anyone else in on this? We can set up a fund.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:44
C'Mon El Guapo....Feed? I think you over estimate Lesnar and are underestimating everyone else. All of these guys have many more professional fights than Lesnar. That said, I think Carwin beats Lesnar via Right Hand KO in the 2nd. Lesnar will probably look good in the first round, but Shane is one of about 4 heavyweights in the world that could nullify Brocks takedowns. If either guy got a dominant position on the ground it would take a Werdumesque ground game to get out from under either and catch them in something, which neither guy has. I think both guys respect eachothers ability to counteract their wrestling, which is why this is going to be a bomb ass tossing stand up war, which Carwin has the advantage in.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:45
Randy Couture is not known as a striker Dallas. The analysis is plausible and well done for such a shortage of history to draw from. My two cents: Lesnar wins: I point to the Gabriel Gonzaga fight as the potential end for Carwin. Brock does have the ability to stagger then follow up unlike Gonzaga. Carwin wins: I point to the Carwin v. Mir fight as the potential end for Brock. Carwin's strength may be the potential end for Lesnar. Brock must be weakened from his health issues, it's still like saying the grey hulk is not as strong as the green hulk, but he will be facing the strongest oppenent he has ever faced and arguably at his weakest compounded with the layoff. Frank Mir was supposed to have gained all sorts of size and strength in preparation to fight Brock post Carwin v. Mir. Carwin actually looked stronger than Brock did against Mir, so I can just see Carwin being able to put that power to good use against Lesnar and believe it or not overpower Lesnar.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:46
this story, about whos gonna win between the both has been beat to death, can we just all talk about something different and just wait for saturday night k thanks bye.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:46
Uh, yeah. You know how most people have a filter from the brain to the mouth? The one that says, "Nope, that's not good. You stay in the brain." It failed in the brain to hands area of the job, too, when typing the comment. I still think it's funny, though. Not any worse than talking about twats and Snatchuraba. Which is also funny. Funnier than my comment admittedly.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:47
brock kind of looks like sloth from goonies in this pic
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:50
Nice Sandlot reference, too, El Guapo. I think that use of the word from that movie has outlived anything else from that movie. Especially the kid's careers.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:51
How many more fights did The Natural have before Brock hammerfisted him to the third dimension? Or Love Me Some Me Mir?? Maybe I am overestimating him, but the guy's a f'kn beast!! There's never been anybody like Brock. Not even close. His size, speed, strength and athleticism are freakish. If anybody has a chance it's Shane, who's just as big, hits harder and has good wrestling. But I will say this, if Shane can't do it no one can.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:54
Before you guys bust my balls, big ups to Mir on the heel hook. Which goes to show good jujits can slay a dragon when done right. Mir heel hook = Werdum triangle = Holy Shite
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:55
I seriously LOL'd at Shaski's request for a HW title shot...That's GOLD Jerry! (ha...Seinfeld). Honestly, I don't care who wins the fight, I like both Carwin and Lesnar...But I think Lesnar will take the fight, and I'll be glad if he does...Just because so many people hate on him, and majority of the hate is just because he used to be a "wrassler"...So what. @Shatski...In reference to lines from "The Sandlot"...In my job I manage a team of 14 people, and when people ask questions I like to say, "You're killing me smalls"...Because I'm 29 and younger than all but one of my employees...They have no idea what I'm talking about as I nerdily laugh at myself.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:56
@2DaDeath- thank you. I didn't forget about Brock's time off, but it won't surprise anyone that I can babble for pages about the most insignificant things. Brock seems ten times more energized and rejuvenated than ever before, brought Couture in, says he's lighter on his feet and stronger/faster/bester than ever before. I realize that's what everyone says, which is why I just passed it over. @GetOffMe- good call on Randy not being a striker, but it's too late now to edit in that he's a Judo master.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 12:59
how about the fact that brock really hasn't had his beard tested, and carwin put gonzaga out with the shortest ko punch i've ever seen
Thu, 07/01/10 - 01:02
@El Guapo Completely agree on your breakdown above. Brock truly has a scary mix of power, technique, and quickness. I'm not saying Brock will own him standing, but Carwin has monstrous power that leaves no room for even one mistake. However I think Brock has a slight edge in almost every other facet: footwork, stance, hands up/chin down, head movement, etc. Who the hell knows what happens with wrestling/takedowns. These guys are close enough in skill and power (though I'm giving a slight edge to Brock for technique) that I think it will be "the circumstance" that will dictate a KO or takedown.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 01:06
@BrutusBox I wouldn't say Brock hasn't been chin checked at all. Mir hit him with a few good punches and that "Yves/Berto" knee from the clinch. I guess we should give him some credit for that seeing how Mir shellacked Kongo and Nog. I think it's more of a factor how Carwin seems to leave his jaw a little exposed. Is there any reason not to (vaguely) equate Brock's punching power with Gonzaga's? I think Brock can slip a few of those through.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 01:09
Thanks, knucklesamitch! I'm nowhere near heavyweight, more of a middleweight, but I'm not asking for a shot against Silva. I'd settle for a shot at Sarah Kaufman. Or for old times sake, some grappling with Gina Carano. Like working the triangle, to be blatantly obvious. I'm 27, but I know the feeling. Dropping a good line from an older classic and noone knows what the hell you are talking about sucks. A good deal of my quotes seem to be from Ghostbusters, Dazed and Confused, Band of Brothers, Arrested Development, and a ssortment of various 80's/early 90's movies.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 01:11
Yup, this guy is funny. Good analysis, whether you agree with his prediction or not. Good stuff all around.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 01:12
"I came here to drink some beer and kick some ass. Looks like we're almost out of beer." -Young Brock Lesnar
Thu, 07/01/10 - 01:24
Guapo is just dropping them today. "I feel like I'm being stalked by a Nazi." Oddly enough, that actor, Adam Goldberg, was in Saving Private Ryan, where his character got killed by a German soldier. You saying that Brock is a "dominant male monkey mother fucker?" haha.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 01:31
^ That scene was disturbing, getting offed like that. Dagger slowly plowed into the chest. Could've done without that visual. Great movie, tho. Not totally off topic, either, seeing as how Brock has a dagger on his chest.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 01:47
Hah. True! It's topical, so it's all good. Yeah, that part is just brutal. It's so cringe inducing. Every person I've talked to after seeing that part has said something about hating Upham or calling him a pussy or bitch or something. Mr. Johnny on the Spot with the Ammo. The translation of what the German soldier is whispering is some straight propaganda, too. From IMDB trivia for Saving Private Ryan, "Give up, you don't stand a chance! Let's end this here! It will be easier for you, much easier. You'll see it will be over quickly."
Thu, 07/01/10 - 01:53
Carwin doesn't have a chance.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 02:22
@leonard, youre right about shane leaving himself exposed, and also made a good point about mir landing a couple, but i just don't think we've seen brock take a power shot yet, i think everyone saying shane's got no chance, are a little diluted, this is a very even matchup imo
Thu, 07/01/10 - 02:34
Anybody else know if "dally Winston" is an 'Outsiders' reference or actually the dude's name? Stay gold Ponyboy, stay gold.... Oh, and why link to your UFC 87 Liveblog if the page can't be found?
Thu, 07/01/10 - 02:46
I may be recalling this wrong but during Lesnar 8=> Mir II, when Mir got a couple of good shots in on Lesnar I thought I remember him staggering some. I thought that that was the point at which Lesnar shot for the take down that led to those vicious headbutts to the fist from Mir.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 03:02
@mthomas Indeed an Outsiders reference. It's kind of a weird personal thing, but when I was in elementary school, my first creative inspiration was the series of S.E. Hinton books and movies (The Outsiders, Rumble Fish, Tex, That Was Then This Is Now, etc.). Interestingly enough, Clash of the Titans was also an early influence. Shortly after I found out Hinton and Stephen King used pen names, and decided way back then mine would by Ol' Dally. I've also seen death threats in internet arguments, and even one cat post the living room floorplan of the guy he was trying to meet up with. But I'm not skurt, so send death threats and nailbombs to my real name and address: Tom Dick 1234 Harry Justkiddingston, MT 8675309
Thu, 07/01/10 - 03:05
Carwin by ko. Whether we wanna admit it or not mir hurt brock in the second and minus one {ala AA} attempted flying knee had brock grasping blindly, which pinned mir again for the finish. Carwin will not need as many punches. Plus he will not get bulldozed like mir. Just can't see lesner producing the pop to end this like he would need to.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 03:22
@ c-c-c-c-c-combobreakerman I'm with you 117.3%. I thought Mir hurt Lesnar but then Lesnar fell forward like a grizzly bear being darted in the ass and took Mir down. I think if Carwin doesn't straight KTFO Lesnar that if he gets him in trouble and Lesnar shoots for a take down, Carwin will be able to sprawl and guard against it and then proceed to club Lesnar in the head like Noah did all the baby seals on his motorboat ride.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 04:29
and the findings for both read: Big. Strong. Wrestle good. Punch hard. Your MMA Math machine has poor grammar...
Thu, 07/01/10 - 04:31
Great write up. Awesome photoshop. I agree with the prediction - brock by TKO. Carwin's power is unquestioned. His technique and cardio are still question marks. We know Brock can go at least three rounds. I see him pummeling a tired Carwin for a TKO in rd 3.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 05:20
Brock doesn't have any jaw dropping skills other than his speed and agility vs. his size. It's not like he's the fastest fighter I've ever seen. I believe his main deficit is his lack of experience, he's a guy with a ton of potential who's evolving nicely (and rapidly), he's intelligent and he works hard, but he just lacks the experience and polish to take full advantage of his given abilities. I expect to see an improved fighter Saturday night but it will also be interesting to factor in the ring rust for someone with so little experience. I think Shane Carwin keeps getting written off by nearly all pundits for whatever unknown hypothetical factor has been left unproved, but the guy lives and trains at altitude and every report from his camp for the last several years is that he easily goes a half an hour. Yes he got caught against Gonzaga and that's why you saw his more "conservative" game plan vs. Mir. He waited nearly a full minute before opening the can of whoop ass. I think this guy has freakish and unique power that keeps getting written off as slightly above average or lucky shots, but I believe it is incomparable. I think he hits harder than anyone else in MMA today, he has a natural ability, evidenced even in his first fight, to punch people out. He also has a great killer instinct. Let the chips fall where they may, but I don't see Brock offering anything to Carwin, not the other way around.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 05:32
@ leonard Washington, me too man, I loved those books, I tried a ponyboy ref when responding to a post from Soda Popinski, but got nothing. Funny enough my wife has a a bronze embossed copy of the Poem Nothing Gold can stay. Her best friend gave it to her in High School, way before we met so fate obviously threw us together, so yeah, love the SE Hinton ref's' Every time I eat m&m's I think of that was then this now
Thu, 07/01/10 - 05:32
I like this guy. Entertaining read, and good analysis, but I disagree with how it is going to play out. I think this fight is going to come down to whether Carwin can score a big blow before Brock puts him on his ass. Because for me the two main factors in this fight will be Brock's superior wrestling, and Brock's general dislike of being punched. For one, I just don't agree with people who say that the wrestling is basically a wash between these two. Brock has more impressive credentials by far, but beyond that, he simply looks far more athletic, far more fleet of foot, and seems to have far better wrestling instincts from the little we have seen of these two in the cage. Carwin looks like he slower, and plants his feet pretty solidly instead of moving lithely around the cage. Generally, Carwin moves like a 36 year old, 280lb. man, who has played football his whole life. In other words, Carwin certainly shows signs of his former athleticism, but he also shows signs of wear and tear on a big man that has beat up his body over a lifetime of contact sports. He is older than Lesnar, albut more importantly, he shows his age more. But what Carwin does have is power, and the other major factor for me is how Brock will react to that power. I don't necessarily agree that Brock has been adequately chin checked, or that you can even prepare for power like Carwin has. But Brock has seemed to show a bit of discomfort with being punched in the face. Not that anyone really likes to be punched in the face, but watch Brock's reaction when Randy Couture backs him up and tags him with a big right hand. Brock seemed very uncomfortable with it and it briefly took him out of his game. I'm not saying Brock has a weak chin, but if he gets tagged pretty hard, Im not confident that he has enough experience to survive if Carwin capitalizes and comes swarming in. I thinks Brock's coaches realize Carwin's best shot is on the feet, and given that I think Brock has the far superior wrestling, I think he will go for the takedown early and often. I doubt Carwin will fare too well with Lesnar on top of him, and I have questions about Carwin's cardio if he is on the bottom for extended periods of time. So for me this fight comes down to whether Carwin can KO/TKO Lesnar before Brock gets the takedown and eventually pounds him out.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 05:33
Oh and BTW, for what its worth I got Carwin, Leben and Sotiropoulos, the other match ups Im just hoping for great fights.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 05:37
War Dally, and his badass 10" switchblade!!!
Thu, 07/01/10 - 07:25
No way neither of these baheemiths doesn't put fist to face at some point in the first, that's pretty much all I care about. Still, if I gotta say, I think it'll be the Brocken, but I hope it'll be Carwineus.
Thu, 07/01/10 - 11:19
Official rivalry with ElGuapo and AlmostNorth has begun as of tonight.
Fri, 07/02/10 - 12:33
Looks like Sakuraba 's decided to hang with the Soc's
Fri, 07/02/10 - 12:54
Leonard Washington Says: Fri, 07/02/2010 - 08:02 @mthomas I've also seen death threats in internet arguments, and even one cat post the living room floorplan of the guy he was trying to meet up with. ............................................................................................................. I see you remember UFC Fan as well huh? wonder where he went?
Fri, 07/02/10 - 02:35
BREAKING NEWS: This just in, after hours of research and analysis via the FBF- Wanko- Meter, utilising data such as Height ,Weight, Record, Number of growth rings around base of penis, Emotional turmoil due to taking Marc Mero's sloppy seconds etc. The following results are available and should be analysed whilst making predictions on the outcome of this bout: LESNAR = Beats people up CARWIN = Knocks people out
Fri, 07/02/10 - 07:23
Doesn't matter who wins both are going to get "abel'd," ....Cain gets the belt, let the hate begin!!!!!!!!
Fri, 07/02/10 - 08:31
Intelligent analysis, but seriously, what's the point. Here's all there is to it: If it goes to the ground, Brock wins, if it stays on the feet, Carwin wins. And it will go to the ground. That's about it. Lesnar will dump Shane on his ass, sit on his face, and take a shit on him. If Shane's lucky, he'll get to throw his Hellboy fist before that happens, but that's less likely. I'm a huge Carwin fan, and have no love for Brock, but Brock's speed and takedowns will give Carwin his first loss. "If Carwin can't, no-one can"? That actually doesn't match you're own analysis, I'd argue, since it's Cain's speed, footwork, and cardio that fill in the gaps that you point out in Carwin. So if Carwin can't, Cain can.
Fri, 07/02/10 - 10:20
I see all this talk about the shots Gonzaga tagged Carwin with, but what surprises me is that no one has said a word about the fact that Gonzaga took Carwin down with ease. It seems everyone forgot that part, which I have to admit I did as well until I watched the fight today. Gonzaga pushed Carwin up against the cage, grabbed a single leg, and tripped him down. Gonzaga is a bjj world champ, but as I've said a million times there is a HUGE difference between the takedown abilities of a bjj guy and a wrestler. I thought Carwin was going to win, but after rewatching his fights I saw a lot of holes. I think this fight goes just like the gonzaga fight, except that Carwin will not be able to pop right back up with brock on top of him.
Fri, 07/02/10 - 10:40
Has anyone read that Lesnar is planning on rolling Southpaw? If you know traditional wrestling you can read between the lines and tell Brock's ego is being tested when everyone says that Carwin's wrestling credentials are "virtually identical." Brock wants to prove he has superior wrestling. Its just a point his ego must prove. He will be going for the takedown...Stamp that shit guarenteed.
Sat, 07/03/10 - 10:47
Huh... is posting links a no-no? I linked to a gif of Couture wobbling Brock's jaw with a hard right hand that didn't show up. Anyway, I wanted to acknowledge Rex13: thanks for the compliment, and I'm a fan of your work as well. @fatbellyfrank: I don't think I've encountered too many people who are familiar with all of those books/movies. Good taste. I just watched Rumble Fish last night, which I think is the best of the movies (thanks to Francis Ford Coppola). That was Then hit home the most for me though, as my best friend since junior high was kind of a ruffian that I eventually branched off from. @RwilsonR: thanks for the nod, and I'm not stating with any confidence that Brock will be the winner. The point of my analysis isn't to explain who will win, but rather just touch on the key strengths and weaknesses and how they match up.
Sat, 07/03/10 - 11:02
@mofo: strongly disagree it's as simple as "standing = Carwin, ground = Brock". Carwin's got great power on the feet, but Brock is much more polished and deserves credit for not planting his feet and trying to decapitate people. I never mean any disrespect when I criticize, but Shane has poor head movement and defense, and also plants firmly to generate his power. The advantage is that people go to sleep when he connects, the disadvantage is that Brock could time a shot and take him down. @ArmFarmer: insightful post, I agree completely. One of the common complaints I get for these posts is that they're too long and wordy, so I didn't touch on the specifics of the Gonzaga fight. Your analysis is spot on though. @Nut Puncher: yes I've heard and yes I agree. That was Hughes' big thing--to stand southpaw when he was in trouble and use his power-right as a jab and to snare the lead leg. I think Brock is the better wrestler, but in the grand scheme of things, neither has shown me anything to indicate they can dominate the other wrestling, which is why I think the circumstance and set-up will dictate the success from either guy. I usually love to jabber, but it was my birthday yesterday and didn't keep up with the comments here. I love CP because no one can dispute that the readers here are very knowledgeable. Thanks to everyone for reading this and providing good feedback.
Sat, 07/03/10 - 12:21
@leonard @fatbelly @thomas SE Hinton RULES. At 9 years old I went from reading Narnia, Encyclopedia Brown, and Choose yer own Adventure to reading Hinton. That was like Roger Rabbit stepping out of a cartoon into the real world... and then getting into a knife fight and goin' on the lam. All that Hinton shit messed my head up and helped turn me from a boy to a man. And yet it was written by a 16 yr old girl, how bizarre is that. Saw all the movies as they came out too. Rumblefish was my fave. Glad to see Mickey Rourke is kicking ass again, he's been the fuckin man since Rumblefish.
Mon, 07/05/10 - 08:19
Awesome. I know this article is old, but I still wanted to acknowledge Mofo's comments. I followed almost the exact same path as you leading up to Hinton. "Choose Your Own Adventure" is quite a blast from the past. I first graduated to the more hardcore versions of these, like "Test of the Ninja" and a few others. RumbleFish was also my favorite movie, and I actually just watched it the other night. The way that everything changed at the movie's halfway point (when Rusty James got bashed over the head with the crowbar) and Rusty goes from being the "dumb and unpredictable hood" to "the chilled out smart guy" was very well captured by Coppola.
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