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Does Anybody Else Think Anderson Silva Needs to Move Up to 205?

(Video courtesy of YouTube/TUF)

Sure Anderson Silva has a date with Chael Sonnen the winner of Chael Sonnen and Mark Munoz this summer, but when you think about it, there really aren’t many fights left for the dominant UFC middleweight champion at 185, so why not have him move up?

Anderson has a plethora of reasons why he likely won’t fight at 205 and most of them concern loyalty to friends like Lil’ Nog and Jon Jones, but from a fan’s perspective, a move up in weight is the only one that makes sense for “The Spider.”

Look at how he toyed with Ryan Bader in the TUF sparring session, basically letting him punch him in the chin as hard as he wanted to. Granted, Bader has improved from his technique of charging forward with arm punches, but I really don’t see a match-up between the two going any differently now. Silva made one former UFC light heavyweight champ look stupid and he would likely do the same to most of the division’s top contenders, so why not have him step up?

We’ll tell you why.

In spite of Dana White’s assertions that he wants to see Anderson fight Jon Jones or Georges St-Pierre, why would he fuck with the money making formula that seems to be working? That would be like Pepsi buying Coke and starting a campaign to make the other one look bad.

The number one reason it won’t happen, is it would delegitimize the middleweight title if Silva vacated it, making it the silver medal for whoever wins it. Say Chael Sonnen beats whoever else the UFC decides should challenge him for the vacant strap, they would essentially be the winner of the losers Silva beat. It would be like winning a Strikeforce title after the *real* champs left for the UFC.

Another reson why it is unlikely we’ll see Anderson put the 205-pound class on notice, if Jon Jones still holds the belt at the time and both are willing to put personal feelings aside and do their jobs,  is that it would tarnish one of their legacies. One man has to lose, and although I would put money on Silva’s chin and striking over Jones’ creativity and flashiness, it’s unlikely that the UFC will want to risk an outgoing champ on the cusp of retirement beating an up-and-coming face of the promotion like Jones.

The third reason why Anderson likely won’t transition to 205 is the glut of wrestlers who fight at that weight. Silva’s Achilles Heel is strong wrestling. We all saw what Sonnen did to him for four-and-a-half rounds and Chael isn’t half the wrestler guys like Rashad Evans, Phil Davis and Dan Henderson are. Hendo, who could very well surprise Jones when they fight, was able to take Anderson down at will before giving up his back and being rear-naked-choked. A veteran like Dan doesn’t make the same mistake twice, unless he’s named Chael Sonnen and the mistake is being triangled. Nobody wants to take on big challenging projects in their final years before retirement. We just want to coast and collect a pay check for not fucking up the menial tasks our bosses give us until our last day finally arrives. How many retirees do you know who learned HTML programming the last year before they retired? Exactly, so why would Anderson want to learn how to deal with big strong wrestlers?

Hopefully we won’t have to sit through another challenge by a future UFC castaway like Travis Lutter, Patrick Cote or Thales Leites. Silva needs real competition and we need to see him face it.


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phantom151- January 12, 2012 at 9:54 am
pound for pound the best and will go down as the best ever enough said
Mofo- January 11, 2012 at 10:18 pm
HTML is NOT programming. It's markup.
SonOfSerbia- January 11, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Chael had to be juicing when he fought Anderson..I say move him up to 205, give hendo another shot, when he beats hendo, give him the winner of rashad/bones...and as a going out with style retirement fight give him fedor at catch-weight of 215.
XENOPHON- January 10, 2012 at 8:13 am
@Todd M
Made some points in there. The one place I would not want to be if Sonnen, is mounted by Munoz with his ability to rain down those devastating strikes. Most would agree that's a recipe for game over.
Flip that coin around a bit, and if you asked me what I thought about Munoz chances are for rag-dolling Anderson Silva, I'd have to say - only about as much as Okami did in Brazil. Not much.
Question, who is better at submissions. Munoz or Sonnen? I think think with 3 times as many fights and experience, it's Sonnen.
smellypiratehooker- January 10, 2012 at 7:23 am
who's the guys at the end? he sounds like a drunk Bilbo Baggins!
halfbreed23- January 10, 2012 at 6:16 am
"A veteran like Dan doesn’t make the same mistake twice"

He didn't learn any lessons from his first fight with Kaz Misaki losing the rematch. He didn't learn anything from that armbar A-Rod Nog threw on him when A-Rog Nog did the same thing 3 years later. Dan's weakness is against good BJJ guys and if he doesn't finish fights early he's prone to decisions. He has like 15 wins by finishing and 19 decisions on his record.

Dan probably won't get past Jones and you'll see how good his wrestling still is that night
fsdfrtet- January 10, 2012 at 5:23 am
Xanderschultz- January 10, 2012 at 12:10 am
I think Munoz beats Chael as well for the same reasons Todd M suggested.

As for MMA wrestling, which is what matters at this point, I think Sonnen has been about as effective as anyone in the business, especially considering he doesn't offer much on the feet to throw opponents off like some of the other great MMA wrestlers (GSP,Shad).
Todd M- January 9, 2012 at 7:58 pm
I also think Chael has used his wrestling more effectively in MMA than Dan Henderson, he definately took Silva down easier than Hendo did. The Chael/Munoz fight is interesting because I imagine they will stuff each others shots and spend the majority trading on their feet with some occasional fence work. I give Munoz the advantage in a striking battle but if Chael can make it dirty with clinch work and his constant pressure I see him taking the fight, either way I think it is a close fight to call.
KarmaAteMyCat- January 9, 2012 at 7:35 pm
"A. Silva wants paydays, not challenges.
B. The urchin is not afraid of Jones beating Silva, they are afraid of the opposite.
C.. EVERYTIME Jone or Silva are mentioned, my same day weigh in arguement is validated.
D. Sonnens wrestling is world class, his bjj defense is suspect.
E. Silvas ‘injured’ rib theory is a scam. I’m not and never have bought."
Stop making me agree with you dammit.
ccman- January 9, 2012 at 5:03 pm
A. Silva wants paydays, not challenges.
B. The urchin is not afraid of Jones beating Silva, they are afraid of the opposite.
C.. EVERYTIME Jone or Silva are mentioned, my same day weigh in arguement is validated.
D. Sonnens wrestling is world class, his bjj defense is suspect.
E. Silvas 'injured' rib theory is a scam. I'm not and never have bought.
XENOPHON- January 9, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Davis can wrestle, but am I alone in thinking his striking (kicks and punches) is like girl?
the glza- January 9, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Yes, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Munoz will win his fight.
RwilsonR- January 9, 2012 at 3:02 pm
@ mcw- I actually think Munoz presents a huge threat to Chael. I think Munoz will likely win if his cardio holds up. Then he'll lose to Anderson, because Munoz can be goaded into standing, and he doesn't set up his shots as well as Chael does.
RwilsonR- January 9, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Fucking crazy to include Rashad in a group of great wrestlers. Have you looked at Rashad's college career? In MMA, what spectacular wrestling have we seen from him. Rashad's wrestling is average on the scale of wrestlers-turned-fighters. Chael has 10 times the amateur wrestling credentials that Rashad does. Not even close.
Davis is younger, bigger, and more, uh... "explosive.". He has great Amy wrestling cred, and so far has used it effectively in MMA.
Hendo is likely a little better Greco guy, but I'd say Chael has the better folk style credentials. As for MMA, Chael has been the far more effective wrestler.
ghostboner- January 9, 2012 at 2:11 pm
I also expected different from the video. And I would love to see bisping fight Silva. I have long wanted Bisping to get the title shot he's been crying about.
Lesnarischamp- January 9, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Silva would make Lombard look worse than he made Forrest look. Hector has his big overhead right and not a lot else, Silva would pick him apart quickly.
danomite- January 9, 2012 at 1:07 pm
I watched that video and nowhere did I see Anderson 'letting Bader hit him in the chin as hard as he can'. I saw him slip alot of punches and saw Bader maybe land two clean shots to the head with sparring gloves on. I was very disappointed having read the description first.
mcw89138- January 9, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Is the purpose of your strikethrough font to suggest that you're writing Munoz off? Munoz presents a legitimate threat to Sonnen and shouldn't be overlooked. The only wrestler Sonnen has ever fought near Munoz's level is Trevor Prangley, which didn't go so well for him. Munoz's wrestling should prevent Sonnen's signature ground and pound and take away Sonnen's main arsenal. Sonnen may have slightly better boxing skills, but for someone like myself who follows boxing as closely as MMA, they still look very primitive (it's called head movement, Chael, and instead of always striking at twelve o'clock, try integrating some angles into your attack for God's sake). I suspect this fight will consist primarily of Sonnen pressing Munoz against the cage trying in vein for a takedown, and in the process, eating too many of Munoz's brutal hammerfists, ultimately giving Munoz a TKO or lopsided decision (a la B. Henderson over J. Miller).
Morningwood- January 9, 2012 at 12:52 pm
in my opinion, inside the UFC from middle weight up only the HW division has interesting fights right now and really only 1. JDS v Overeem can go either way. I would assume most agree which is why this keeps coming up. I feel Silva would beat Jones. But, like Karma said, it's not up to them to find opponents, it's up to the promoters.

I would say, that if Silva was confident he could be Jones, he would fight him. But, it's really not his job or duty. It would be awesome if they did agree.
XENOPHON- January 9, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Wait a fucking second Mike Russell.
Zuffa cares nothing that fighters are friends. They own the contract, and that contract dictates who will fight and on which day. The "Pepsi buying Coke" is irrelevant. Combined I think this the point Rsparrow is driving at.
You say: "...why would he fuck with the money making formula that seems to be working?" I'll give you several reasons.
One, he is suppose to be a fighter in promotion that not long ago didn't even have delimited weight classes. Or did we all forget about the roots of MMA?
Two, once Jones steps up in weight...which he will, Anderson's legacy is instantaneously pushed aside.
Three, If Anderson wants a legacy and is a fighter and not a pussy he will have to compete with not only the MMA fighters who have crossed over, but also all the many boxers, jujitsu, and wrestlers who have come before him and successfully moved up in weight. If Silva is fear full of wrestlers, then he doesn't deserve a belt in the first place. Let's switch to boxing. Did you forget James Toney in his prime was able too move up and hold the ground. If you laugh at boxers, then look at Couture or Henderson for starters.
Fourth, the only problem with his pay - if he is indeed greedy and driven by money alone, it simply means he needs to re-negotiate a contract to get paid comparable. Anderson has enough clout to do this on his own. The same is true of GSP.
Fifth, the sole reason he may not move up, is because Zuffa is afraid of losing their own meal ticket sooner than they need to, or that the promotion doesn't have any faith that Anderson could beat Jones.
Going back to all the "close friends with pillow talk" is pure bullshit.
RSparrow- January 9, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Weak sauce man
Fried Taco- January 9, 2012 at 12:10 pm
So it should come as no surprise that Anderson Silva recently signed up for HTML classes.
Mike Russell- January 9, 2012 at 11:48 am
@RSparrow... could have been this comment by Anderson when asked if he's fight Jones:

"No chance. [Jones] in a different weight class, we are friends and we won’t fight each other."
shitbag- January 9, 2012 at 11:46 am
Fuck son, I taught myself html when I was in high school just for fun, that shits easy.

Anyway, THIS is exactly how the rest of A. Silva's career will go:

1) Beat Chael in a rematch

2) Fuck up Bisbping/beat the ever lovin shit out of that brit

3) THEN move up to 205 and for a couple farewell fights against people who really don't matter. Basically a gatekeeper, but with an ability to fucking own anyone he faces in flashy fashion.