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Wanderlei Silva seems to think so. While discussing his 195-pound catchweight bout against Rich Franklin that will headline UFC 99 (June 13th; Cologne, Germany), he told MMA Junkie the following:

"I talked with (UFC President) Dana (White) three or four events ago, and I said, ‘We need to create a new division at 195 (pounds). Because for me, my normal weight is 210 or 208. For 205, it’s not too much (weight to cut). For 185, it’s a lot. For 195, it’s perfect…There’s a lot of divisions, a lot of fighters. But now, maybe this is the first fight and in the future we’ll have a new division. (There’s) a lot of fighters in my situation."

You know what they call mixed martial artists who walk around at 210 pounds? Middleweights. Some of the UFC’s top 185′ers, including Anderson Silva and Nate Marquardt (as well as Rich Franklin before he left the middleweight division), reportedly weigh in the 215-220 range between fights. Wanderlei Silva’s "situation" is that he’s smaller than most light-heavyweights, and cutting weight sucks. That’s pretty much it.

At this point, installing more weight classes in the UFC wouldn’t do anything besides dilute the talent pool, and a super-middleweight class would only be useful in providing Wanderlei Silva with another venue to fight for a championship belt — because it didn’t work out for him in the light-heavyweight division, and Anderson Silva owns the middleweight class, so that’s not really an option either. It kind of sounds like Wandy is already psyching himself out for the eventual cut to 185. If he loses to Franklin in June, he may decide that it’s not even worth it.

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bold- March 23, 2009 at 4:15 pm
fuck tiago alves walks around at 210 and he cuts 15 more pounds than wandy would have to
Keyser Soze- March 23, 2009 at 3:50 pm
I think the idea of splitting HW to HW/SHW is the best idea. As the roster for UFC continues to grow, there's enough fighters to round out the two divisions. Creating a LLHW is a useless move, and I agree with the poster that believes the Spyder would dominate this division as well.

Personally, I think the Spyder would own the LHW division as well, should he make the move full time. Even the LHW "champ" Evans, his only strength would be to take A. Silva to a place where he's dangerous as hell (the ground).

Though I don't agree with the whole "legends" category... there's too few fighters that would qualify as such. However, an "open" division leaves endless potential matchups should the two fighters agree to terms. Similar to old school UFC with the current rules.

If Wanderlei can't cut it in LHW, or can't hold the title in MW, it's his problem. He can deal with it, or move on.
Bootylam!- March 23, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Yes it would dilute the sport too much and a "legends" division would be a joke because fighters NEVER admit when their skills are diminished so noone would ever fight in it. Shit, look at how many guys could stop right now to stop diminishing their legacy. (Liddell, Crocop, Wanderlei, Nog, etc.)
just some dong- March 23, 2009 at 1:33 pm
What's with the whole "dillute the sport" thing? Wouldn't adding more weight classes mean they'd also have to add more belts, and wouldn't that make for better ppvs? Fights are just so much more interesting to watch when a belt or two are on the line. I say add a couple more!
Douche Machine- March 23, 2009 at 1:32 pm
TUF Guy only makes 200 pounds when he has two black dicks in his ass and one in his mouth. In other words, right before breakfast.
The Irish Wolfhound- March 23, 2009 at 1:18 pm
To true
TUF Guy- March 23, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Ample Says:
Mon, 03/23/2009 - 10:11
TUF Guy's mouth weights 200lbs after im all bunched up in his grill......


Congrats, you just came out of the closet on a MMA comment section.
Imbecile- March 23, 2009 at 10:59 am
I like where people are going with the idea of a Legends Division. I think the problem would be that their are only so many fighters in each weight class who could qualify. There are probably the most "Legends" at LHW, but you start to see a problem for someone like Matt Hughes. It would be nice to see these guys fighting their contemporaries, though. The Legends should simply be retained on contracts that allow them to fight in one-off super-fights from time to time that can fill out cards that are lacking depth. If a card is headlined by a relatively weak undercard, I wouldn't mind seeing Wand fight Liddell again for a decent payday for the two of them. Or even Couture vs. Liddell. Guys like Liddell, Couture, Wandy, Hughes, and others could just engage in some fights that would be interesting to fans, but not really have consequences in their weight classes.

Now I am thinking about how you could do this for Hughes, and I could even see a super-fight added where Hughes takes on Dennis Hallman, to close out the one major blemish on his career (I don't consider losses to BJ Penn and GSP huge blemishes, and it is clear he was already on the downslide during the Alves loss). Or even a Hughes vs. Parisyan match a couple years down the road, for the title fight that never happened. And Hughes could always get people to watch him choke out Frank Trigg again.
Bas Rutten- March 23, 2009 at 10:37 am
"Myles Kilometers Says:
Mon, 03/23/2009 - 08:46
Wouldn't Anderson Silva just dominate this new division also?

If anything, they should create a "legends" division where popular fighters can go to relive old rivalries and remain relevant.

Guys like Liddell and Wanderlei aren't going to remain contenders least it would give them a place to still fight and make money.

It'd be like the Senior PGA tour...except with less sympathy."

^what he said^
Imbecile- March 23, 2009 at 10:36 am
I think Wandy has a great idea! I think this would be something akin to Cruiserweight in boxing. While they could call it Cruiserweight in the UFC, I would prefer they title this 195 lb. division the Guys-Who-Are-Not-Quite-Good-Enough-to-Hold-Belts-in-MW-or-LHW-or-Are-Too-Lazy-to-Sit-on-a-Bike-in-a-Sauna Weight Class. In this newly created division, Wanderlei Silva, Rich Franklin, and Dan Henderson could constantly join in a round-robin tournament for a belt that doesn't quite have the meaning of the belts from the real weight classes. In fact, other MW fighters could derogatorily refer to the 195 lb. belt as "The Ruedigar." Guest appearances from Nate Marquardt and Michael Bisping are expected very soon.
Goat- March 23, 2009 at 10:31 am
Light Heavy Weight Division = 205
Cruiserweight division = 225
Heavy Weight Division = 230-265

This is the only change that needs to be made.

Ample- March 23, 2009 at 10:11 am
TUF Guy's mouth weights 200lbs after im all bunched up in his grill......
UFC fan- March 23, 2009 at 9:09 am
his MOUTH weighs 200 pounds.
@ TUF Guy- March 23, 2009 at 9:00 am
Hey, I thought you weighed less than 200lbs?
Phantom Poster- March 23, 2009 at 8:57 am
Holy shit!!!!!

TUF Guy actually commented on something without flaming. That ferret in your ass must have been good to you this morning eh big guy!
TUF Guy- March 23, 2009 at 8:54 am
Anyone under 200 lbs. shouldnt be allowed to fight period.
Geriatric Peon- March 23, 2009 at 8:54 am
lol, yeah I meant A. Silva would dominate it not Wandy Silva.
Myles Kilometers- March 23, 2009 at 8:52 am
To add to the Legends division idea...some of the "name" fighters still have big time marketability. So instead of pitting Anderson Silva and Chuck Liddell against "fighters gunning for victory" they could fight other top name guys.

You could even create a legends title if it makes you feel happy.
PRIDE > UFC- March 23, 2009 at 8:50 am
Belt or no belt, he's too small for LHW. He'll end up cutting to MW whether he likes it or not.
Old, Bald and Irish- March 23, 2009 at 8:47 am's called "SlimFast".

Go get some, OK?

Sure, your farts will smell like rancid horse meat, but I have a feeling that your gaseous emitions aren't exactly smellin' like roses to begin with.

...just a hunch.
Myles Kilometers- March 23, 2009 at 8:46 am
Wouldn't Anderson Silva just dominate this new division also?

If anything, they should create a "legends" division where popular fighters can go to relive old rivalries and remain relevant.

Guys like Liddell and Wanderlei aren't going to remain contenders least it would give them a place to still fight and make money.

It'd be like the Senior PGA tour...except with less sympathy.
Geriatric Peon- March 23, 2009 at 8:42 am
IMO I wouldn't mind dropping 205 to 200 to make the split between MW and LHW the same as Welter to MW (170 to 185 to 200) and adding the HW and Super HW classes. But people hate change so just adding another belt at 195 for Silva to control is good enough.

While I am not for a different weight class for every 5 lbs, I see no problem with breaking up the 20 lbs difference between MW and LHW.
WAND WAGON- March 23, 2009 at 8:41 am
Jugger- March 23, 2009 at 8:31 am
The thing I love about MMA is the simplicity of it's weight system. I would be seriously bummed if they tampered with that.

I'm all for using catch weights for fighters who agree to do so.

The only division that might need separating is HW. 206-265 is a bit too much of a spread. I'd like to see it cut in half. But if that never happens, it wouldn't bother me a bit.

Just say "NO!" to additional weight classes. Don't let MMA get diluted like boxing.
The Juice- March 23, 2009 at 8:26 am
GOD i want a reason to keep my faith in Wanderlei.... Come on, man. Kill him.