like ive been sayin ben and ben really dont know shit about mma they just spout shit out of there mouth like there opinion matters.theyve talked shit and been wrong so many times its a wonder why people including myself still follow this site.ben and ben the most uneducated hosts ive sometimes ever heard.

@831 Son

STFU. If i pay 50 bucks for a UFC with early stoppages and bullshit decisions. Damn right i will bitch about it. What is the point in your bitching of other peoples bitching? What is the point of telling everyone your area code? these are just some of life's questions i guess.

PS. Kill yourself

@GlebJolie

i can't even think of words for your soap box speech but i agree, you should get back to work. I need my coffee.

@ GlebJolie- well fucking said. Stop crying you babies. It is OVER with. Rua didn't dominate Machida, and Machida sure as hell didnt dominate Rua. It wasnt even a good fight regardless of who won. Whatever just look forward to the rematch instead of crying about this stupid shit for the next couple of months. It was a close fight, I agree, Shogun won in my opinion, but oh well! The athletic commisions have screwd up numerous times, but there is no point in crying like fucking pussy bitches all day trying to reverse the decision in your own head. Regardless, I predict Machida winning the rematch in decisive fashion.

It wasn't an ass kicking but it was a clear win, I just don't buy the incompetence angle, The whole crowd the announcers, everyone i watched it with, a majority of fans, every MMA website I find it hard to believe it's coincedence the only three retards in the whole MMA community who thought Machida won happen to be the three judges.

Controversial, yes. I agree that if this was a split decision for Machida, everyone would be a lot less pissed. I think Rua won some rounds, clearly the last two, and arguably landed more powerful shots although with a lot less accuracy.

The popular thing to do right now is to side with Rua, there is going to be a lot of Machida bashing and such. I havent seen this much bandwagon hopping since, well, everytime the Vancouver Canucks play a full season of hockey lol.

Tie goes to the champ I think, as unpopular as it is to say it. Rua did well, better than anyone expected, but it sort of be unsatisfying to have him with the belt over that performance. He looked better than anyone else against Machida thus far, but he wasn't ever close to ending that fight. I think a rematch would have been justified even if Machida legitimately won that fight, this one was too close, with no one doing too much of anything.

^Agree with DangadaDang, the worst part of this will be if Machida wins in less than spectacular fashion, Rua fans are going to shit a brick. I think that Machida will literally have to win this one by Flying Inverted Donkey Punch or people are going to say the belt shouldnt have been his to defend again in the first place.

Shogun was in the drivers seat for all 5 rounds. He just wrote the blueprint on how to beat Machida.

Machida's Karate has big holes in it and Shogun found them. Machida's heavy reliance on straight punches proved to be his undoing. He refused to get close enough to throw anything other than a straight punch. Shogun figured this out. Props to him.

Around the third round I told my buddy that Shogun better start doing something convincing because a razor thin decision usually goes to the champ. They don't usually give the belt away on a close one (Forrest vs. Rampage, not withstanding).

It's a bummer, but it is what it is. Dana has promised rematches before that have never materialized. Remember the travesty that was Bisping vs. Hamill?

I'm really starting to notice the similarities between all these Shogun nuthuggers and parents who scream at referees during high school basketball games thinking they will somehow change the outcome of things, and I say this as an unbiased fan of the sport. I guess the worst part about it is after the rematch if Machida wins well have to hear this same shit all over again

Machida wins the rematch if he learns how to defend Shogun's leg strikes...thats it, thats all he has to do.

I'm sick of you whining crybabies. I've got so many complaints regarding the run-up to this fight, your predictions and the result that I don't know where to start.

1. Your weird schoolboy obsession with his urinotherapy. You're like a buncha 3rd graders that just discovered a "naked lady" book. It's unknown to you and taboo because it isn't part of our culture. That doesn't mean you need to ridicule someone who has real reasons for doing it. You did and you couldn't get it out of your heads. Your attempt at debunking the practice was laughable. The funniest aspect of this situation is people who feel they need to copy the behavior of champions. When you learned that Lyoto drinks his morning urine and is unbeaten, these people resented the notion that they might have to start copying that. Idiots.

2. Mauricio Rua was always a threat. He never was as bad as the oddsmakers painted him, though the odds were based almost entirely on his performance in the UFC and didn't take into account his performance record in Japan. So he fought another young fighter who knows what he's doing. He was able to take him to the limit of his abilities and even scare him. The thing is, I was there, and what I noticed was that Shogun spent most of his time chopping at Machida's legs and trunk and rarely managed to connect with his head. I saw Machida do more that could have ended the fight, and he did it more often. Shogun's strategy was a long, drawn-out, hacking approach and he was only able to begin looking for a killing shot in the last rounds. Even then he was unable to do much. If you call that a legitimate upset, you're deluding yourself. In fact, you're probably too tied up in the fact that you lost a bet than that a guy you really wanted to win didn't finish the job. Suddenly everyone's a big fan of Rua because he got the closest to vanquishing the evil piss drinker. Double idiots.

Shit, I need to get back to work, but consider growing up before you start calling for people's heads - particularly judges. You don't always have to agree with the mob - which in this case included Dana White. Does anybody else think he's starting to look like Curly Howard?

This is like the 3rd time ESPN has messed up the winners of a UFC event. ESPN also had it scrolling across the bottom that Rua had beaten Machida by decision. I was super pissed because I was waiting for my download to finish so I could witness this for myself. Then when I watched the fight, I was thinking to myself, someone has actually beaten Machida... Then Bruce Buffer says Machida won. I was blown away, and had to go back to ESPN's website to confirm, and yes, ESPN messed up (again). I also experienced this exact situation when Bowles beat Torres at WEC 42. ESPN needs to go at this MMA thing for real, or just stop before too many people notice. Could you imagine the outburst, if ESPN had reported that Tampa Bay beat New England 35-7 on Sunday in London? They need to realize that MMA is here for good and put some peeps on it that know what the fuck is going on. It is getting ridiculous.

BTW, I had it Shogun 49-48, or a TIE. It was so close, and we all know that the TIE goes to the runner (or the champ, in this case, unless your name is Rampage)

Holla! Overall I enjoyed UFC 104.

yep im still not surprised Machida got his ass kicked for pretty much 5 rounds. Now lets see if he can do it again, hopefully he does and then we might get to see Anderson Silva take on Shogun.....now that would be a fight!

it was a close fight. i watched it a few times. the best i can figure is the judges were giving machida the rounds based on the little flurrys he was throwing but they werent landing. shogun controled the majority of the fight, landed the harder shots, and did the most damage. i had shogun winning the fight but it was close. a few of those rounds could have gone either way, unfortunatly they all went machidas way. Knock him out next time Rua!

Damn you OBI, you made me lol with the gogo comment.

@One Two

Yeah it's the judges job but what the whole "don't let it go to the judges" means is that as a fighter you never know how they are going to score it. So it's in your best interest to finish the fight before the time runs out. That way your win or loss is in your hands, not somebody else's.

@ Jugger
Nice dude.

You can always tell who doesn't know shit about the sport in the comment section. For anyone to say this wasn't a close fight, is just ridiculous. I'm like you OBI, right at the end of the last round, I predicted a draw as the outcome.
Come on One Two, I know you've been posting here for a while, and you usually make a little sense at least.

ESPN also initially reported that Lesnar gogoplated Mir at UFC 1000.

Dude ESPN has done this at least 2 times before. They have no idea what the fuck they are doing down there. They also initially reported that Franklin KO'd Belfort @ 103.

Cecil Peoples also thought The Bucs beat The Patriots, 17-0.

OMG I had no idea Tila Tequila was from Singapore!!!

REPRESENT!!!!
(however badly...)

It seems like its almost always one problem or another when they run a show in CA. I wish they would at least keep the big shows out of that area.

personally i don't get the don't let it go to the judges why not its their job? everyone else knew he won. and it wasn't a close fight. I wouldn't give a single round to machida maybe the third because of that little flurry the judges don't have slo mo so they couldn't see machida didn't actually land anything.

By the way, hats off to Rua.

I, for one, thought that he was gonna get his butt handed to him.

Personally, I was shocked that it got outta the first round.

Is the old Rua of PrideFC back?

...I can only hope so.

Now, if only the UFC would allow stomps, Rua would have won that match...

He didn't surprise me. I put money on him and these judges fucked me out of my winnings.

@ "One Two",

What are you talkin' about?

Cheating and corruption? You've been listening to BJ Penn's and Rampage's revisionist history too much lately.

The judges saw it a different way. It was a close fight. It probably should have been a tie. But I don't think any "corruption" was involved.

The same addage holds true: Don't let the fight go to the judges.

ONE TWO:

I dunno how blatant it is. Maybe the judges were looking at ring control and punches more. Shogun "beat" machida yes as far as the 5 rounds of judging. if you were to put the whole fight as one big fight i would probably say machida won. Machida FOR SURE won at least 2 rounds. If this was a slit decision everyone wouldnt be crying as hard

Just because god of mma have rematch setup, that does not mean that it is fair. Now the opponent has figured you out, you can injure in training again and the people who wagered on the fight lost lot of money...i lost $100...and I am pissed...


So fuck the rematch....if he is not able to finish machida in the next one, he will lose to decision again. The champion all gets the benefit of doubt in a close fight....same is for boxing

I'm just wondfering wheres the outrage? this is a blatant case of cheating and corruption in the sport, something needs to be done or are we content to let MMA become boxing. and you can't say a single one of those judges thought machida won.

Can we please stop talking about this? The more I read about it, the more I want to violently assault my coworkers in a blind rage. For the sake of their lives, please.

third

The problem is a rematch isn't fair Rua had a good game plan he seemed to out machida machida but now machida knows what he did wrong and how rua beat him. Bullshit!!! Machida needs to hand over the belt end of story.

power rankings update! justice for shogun!