No, that win doesn’t make Kimbo anything close to being a ground threat. Your argument is specifically about a Toney-Kimbo match-up. My point is about a match-up with Toney and any fighter in either HW or LHW with a decent ground game.

As for disrespecting him because he “don’t talk good”; it’s not just that he doesn’t speak well, it’s what he’s acutally saying. He’s spewing garbage and disrespecting damn near every MMA fighter he mentions. I’m a fan of both boxing and MMA, and after watching a couple of his recent clips, I’m disgusted on behalf of both sports. Boxing should be embarassed that he is such an accomplished boxer and MMA should be embarassed because he’s getting a shot in a major organization.

The way I see it, he’s getting a shot for two reasons: 1) he was a damn good boxer in his day and 2) he’s constantly talking shit. Some people will say that he’s only doing that as ‘build-up’ and to get a contract. Well, if his whole aim was to just get signed, then so be it, but it doesn’t make it any less of a mockery of both sports.

So, JamesToneysContract…are you defending James Toney or are you defending boxing?

Okay, let me articulate myself properly this time. Submitting Ray Mercer at the time in an “exhibition” match, in Mercer’s MMA debut, at about 46 years old, after which Mercer admitted not knowing anything about the ground game or having even LOOKED at it, makes Kimbo a ground threat? If Toney even learns how to sit out he’ll have more ground experience than Mercer did, plus being about as devastating on the feet as Mercer and being somewhat younger. I know you saw what Mercer did to Timmay’s face. I’m not saying Toney is going to come in and be a world beater, but all you MMA fanboys disrespecting an accomplished fighter because he “don’t talk good” or his signing upsets your sensibilities are making me want to see Toney break some orbital bones.

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That was the point…Kimbo has no ground game, but still submitted someone that crossed over from the boxing world. And not just some chump, but someone who is considered an accomplished boxer.

The point is, if the worst ground game in the UFC can submit a pretty good boxer, what is an accomplished wrestler/g-n-p/jitsu guy going to do to Toney? And I don’t know this for sure, but as of about this time yesterday, I’m pretty sure Kimbo moved up to second worst ground game in the UFC…

@ghostboner Because he beat fat out-of-shape moron Tim Sylvia, all of a sudden a win over Ancient Ray Mercer makes you a legitimate ground threat? Excuse me while I go readjust my MMA talent evaluation.

@JamesToneysContract – Hey did you ever see that fight between Simba Spice and Ray Mercer? Cause I think everyone said the same thing about that fight. Well, until Mercer got manhandled and choked out by Kimbo. Yes, SUBMITTED BY KIMBO. Not the Kimbo of today either, the Kimbo of 2 or so years ago. I’ll make it simpler, world champion heavyweight boxer (and I believe Olympic gold medalist) SUBMITTED BY KIMBO SLICE.

@Boss Rutten – Perhaps you forgot, when Cock Chestner came to the UFC everyone hated him, everyone thought it was complete bullshit that he was getting a UFC contract at all let alone a fight against Mir, everyone thought Frank Mir was going to take one of his limbs off, everyone was plenty vocal about it, and most people still don’t like him and say the same thing. So were you talking about some other one dimensional wrestler, or did you just not mean to say that out loud?

lol @ “proove”

Maine Blazer Says:
Thu, 03/04/2010 – 06:38
Anyone else have the feeling that Toney was brought in to lose? And if he does anything but, it’s going to be bad for the sport. Unless he somehow wins impressively, which is unlikely.
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^^ This.

If he wins, we get idiots on ESPN like Skip Bayless and Jay Marriotti, who have both been very critical and yet so very ignorant of mma, saying how they “knew” that any boxer would destroy a mixed martial artist and that mma is a junk sport.
Even if the guy goes out there, pulls off a vintage-Mark-Kerr single leg takedown, then puts on a three minute grappling demonstration that would impress the Gracies, it’ll just “proove how easy jiu jitsu is” to the average idiot on ESPN.

And yes, both ideas I expressed were exact “points” Skip Bayless tried to make after UFC 100. Don’t ask me how Brock Lesnar’s antics (what they were suppossed to be talking about) “proove” either of those. Fortunately, others on ESPN have pointed out the logical fallacies of his arguments.

i still think he will end up being matched with one of the tuf-10 heavyweights and it certainly will not be THE main event; perhaps the co-main…

toney might be able to beat most of the tuf-10′ers. i had not read about him fighting at 205 though. i bet a couple of those guys can cut to 205, but then again ufc keeps plenty of 205 gatekeepers around.

Predictions for James Toney

Kimbo Slice def. Toney by 2nd round guillotine choke (UFC 118)
Brandon Vera def. Toney by 1st round knockout (headkick) (UFC Fight Night 24)
Darrill Schoonover def. Toney by 1st round kneebar (Strikeforce: Fedor
vs. A Hungry Bear)
Wes Sims def. Toney by chairshot (TNA Lockdown 2011)

dana said he wants him at 205…Anderson silva vs james toney anyone? That would be fucking awesome cause u know anderson and skerred he’s been wanting to fight Roy Jr anyways

you people need to stop hating… when a one dimensional wrestler comes into the ufc, nobody says shit… but now a pro boxing legend is fighting, everybody wanna talk shit saying hes gonna get killed?

toney is gonna knock the ‘lights out’ out of his first opponent… I can see it now… chump shoots for a takedown, toney hits him with the uppercut and follows with a devastating combo… i cant wait

An ex heavyweight boxing champ in James Toney(played by Cleveland) against the godfather of dirty boxing, Randy Couture (Played by Quagmire… Gigidy). That actually sounds kinda interesting… Up until the part when Randy successfully goes for an effortless double leg takedown and just beats the shit out of Toney. At this point, referee in charge, Steve Mazzagati (played by Mayor Adam West), will finally realize that he is not officiating a titty-bingo game, and properly stops the fight, yet gives the win to Toney because he thinks Randy has alien-ears, and alien-ears are fucking creepy…

Dana White only signed this blubbering douche bag to a contract because he wants to feed him to the wolves. White wants to humiliate this guy, and if he feeds him to Randy that’s exactly what will happen.

White should let Tony get mauled for the duration of his contract, and then maybe these boxers who think they can step into the Octagon and win just because they know how to throw a punch will back the fuck off.

Here is why it is a no win, most of MMA and the UFC in general tries to stay clear of freak show fights, except Japan who loves freak show fights. By putting a 41 year old washed up boxer with no MMA experience in the cage you are promoting a freak show fight. Walker has been practicing martial arts for years, that was not a freak show fight. Lesnar was a collegiate wrestler with some MMA experience taking away the freak show angle. Even the publicity this is getting is extremely negative for the sport and the UFC, the articles I have read are extremely critical of this move.

jimbonics said it great, not all publicity is good and Ray Mercer knocking out Tim Sylvia was terrible for the sport.

I am not one who usually rips on DW for his moves but this move makes no sense, there is no way this will help the UFC in the end and it is something the UFC has been smart enough to keep away from for years.

Nealio. You recall a fat old fuck Ray Mercer beating down a “Former UFC Heavyweight Champion” in Tim Sylvia in record time? Yeah… that’s a no-win for the sport of MMA, and quite likely why Toney thinks he can do this shit.

Sometimes not all publicity is good.

I’ve posted this before, so I’ll post it again here. If you guys think you can just throw a guy who was IN HIS PRIME one of the best street fighters in his town, against a guy who was once argued as the #1 p4p boxer in the world in his prime, you’re sorely mistaken.
Toney vs. Kimbo would be an epic squash match for Toney, too much experience, too much boxing know-how, and even if Kimbo took it to the ground, does anyone really think he could finish Toney there? He couldn’t finish a barely-walking Houston Alexander.
You may think Toney is a joke, but DW doesn’t, and he doesn’t want to see his sport embaressed. Couture would be the perfect second fight to see exactly where Toney stands in the Octagon. It would be at LHW, and Toney has never been big enough to fight with the biggest HWs, especially in MMA.
However, for his first fight, DW needs to make the decision whether he places Toney in there with someone he can beat (Bonnar, Jardine, Kimbo), or someone who will test him (Griffen, Vera, Cane).
But hey, for all of you looking for the epic James Toney squash match, hasn’t A.Silva been looking for a 205 tuneup pre-title shot?!?
As far as fighting Herschel Walker or whichever “cross-over appeal” non-fighter strikeforce is using to get ESPN watchers to look at their cards, THAT’s the joke. Walker might think its fun to play MMA, but put him in there against a guy who has been through the battles Toney has, and he’d be annoucing his retirement in the cage following the fight. James Toney is a fighter, not a freak-show, and this is the UFC, not Strikeforce.

Everyone saying its a “no win” and “everyone expects him to lose”. Well my guess is that the boxers of the world think he will win and maybe this is a ploy to get them to shut up?? If you get owned by a non-name then what smack can you talk?
Also, how is it a no-win situation? Its publicity, its a fight…? Isn’t that what you do as a fight promoter..?

If JT actually trained I think he could dispose of any lower level fighter who’s not a good wrestler. Yeah he’s a fatass and he can’t talk, but he obviously can punch. If he’s fighting guys low on the totem pole (Hersch included), I think his theory of not getting taken down holds. However anyone that has any wraslin skills will put him on his backfat and smash that pudgy face..

BTW, Arlovski signing with Dykeforce is bigger news than this. But mostly because I think this is real shitty news. Viva Hate summed up my thoughts nicely.

Whats fucked up here is that this lard fuck is likely going to make much more money off of his name than most legit MMA fighters who have poured blood sweat and tears into this sport for years.

How much did you pay this POS Dana? Didn’t he call your first offer laughable, or something similar?

Get Ric Flair. He’s shown that he can take a beating from at least one bitch. Why not another?

This is such a terrible idea, it is a no win situation for the UFC. If Toney comes in and loses, it does nothing to help whoever beats him because that is exactly what everyone expects. Everyone expects Toney to get owned by whoever he fights. If by some chance Toney gets a clean punch in and wins, it is going to set the sport backwards for 10 years. I cannot believe the UFC would pull this, I understood giving Brock a shot, he is an amazing athlete despite his WWE background and he draws ratings. I understoof putting Kimbo on TUF again it was a great way to draw ratings. Toney makes no sense, it will not equal ratings, there is no draw and there is not way it will help the UFC.

I don’t know much about this Toney cat, but I do know he’s old and has no experience in MMA. He’d probably have trouble with guys from the last season of TUF (like Meathead or Big Baby), let alone top-tier heavyweights. Big Country would probably take him down and crucifix him in no time. I don’t like his chances unless they give him a couple years and he takes it very seriously, you guys.

James Toney WILL be fighting Kimbo Slice mark my words CP people.

James Toney vs. Houston Alexander. I’m calling it.

I don’t care that Houston was let go…he needs to pay bills too, and would jump if Dana asked him to.

Honestly I haven’t been paying much attention to this attention whore…what weight class would he even fight in? LHW/HW I assume? If so, let Dos Santos fight him…that seems like a good middle of the road, up and coming dude who wouldn’t just roll over and die.

Nah, don’t put him in against Randy to start. Give him someone middle of the road. Someone who he has a chance against. If he still loses, then point proven… old boxers should stay just that, old boxers. If he wins? Give him someone tough and see if he’s legit.

The problem isn’t that he’s a boxer. The problem is that he’s old, and trying to jump into a game that involves so many other skills he’ll have to scramble to pick up. It’s the same as someone coming in as “just” a wrestler or “just” a jiu-jitsu guy, but the difference is that so often someone with those skills can get in and take the fight to the place they are comfortable. Can win a few with their strengths while they work on their weaknesses. Seems much harder to keep it on the feet without at least a fairly good wrestling style base to begin with.

Get Buentello in there against him. I’d love to watch that.

I don’t want to see Randy in there. Worst case scenario for all of MMA is Toney gets one clean shot on Randy’s chin.

i guess it just depends on what dana white has in mind for this guy. if his goal is make matchups and money then he will put him against fighters that will allow him to stand and bang and impove his record, while at the same time working on his ground game. if white brought him in to shut him up and show him you CANT succeed in the UFC as just a boxer then put him in the cage with a wrestler/jiu jitsu expert (Gabriel Gonzaga anyone?) and let us all get a good laugh at this guy.

Watch out Randy! James ‘the Mumbler’ Toney is gonna check kick the shit out of you!

“LIGHTS OUT” is gonna have so much trouble with ground game, he wants to fight the top 10 best but he cant handle the bottom 10 worst. yea yea yea…he has boxing skill…BUT this isnt boxing!!!! i say give him Randy……just to shut him up and ALL the other “boxers” out there that think the sport isnt a sport….

I’d take Walker over Toney. Easy.

I can’t believe this horse shit has come to pass. Fucking Terrible.

Anyone else have the feeling that Toney was brought in to lose? And if he does anything but, it’s going to be bad for the sport. Unless he somehow wins impressively, which is unlikely.

I say let Randy take the fight. He always takes some of the toughest fights he can, why not let him destroy JT?

I don’t know about you guys, but I think Walker is more legit in MMA than Toney. JT takes fighting seriously and he was a very good boxer in his day, but he doesn’t seem to care about the other forms and skills that MMA requires. Walker seems to take all of that seriously and wants to improve. However, neither will make any noise in MMA other than a sideshow attraction.

Now that I think about it, maybe JT does take the whole game seriously and I just can’t tell because I can’t understand a damn thing this mumbling bastard says. James Mumbles Toney it is!

How ’bout James “Mumblin’ Rumblin’” Toney? Chris Berman would have a field day with that one…