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Frank Mir and Shane Carwin Break Down the Heavyweight Pecking Order

(‘Thanks for the workout, chummmmmmmp.’ Photo courtesy of Fight Magazine.)

Because the MMA gods would never be content to allow the UFC’s heavyweight division be both intriguing and problem-free, Brock Lesnar’s illness just happens to have coincided with a number of potential challengers rising up all at once. You’ve got Shane Carwin, who was originally slated for the next shot at Lesnar. You’ve got Cain Velasquez, who’s been running through everyone the UFC puts in front of him. And after UFC 107 on Saturday night you’ve got Frank Mir, who would like to smugly point out that he almost knocked out and then submitted a guy who Velasquez couldn’t finish. You know, just saying.

With Lesnar’s future still uncertain, what will become of these three able heavyweight contenders? If you ask Carwin, he’ll tell you that he wouldn’t mind fighting Mir while all this other stuff gets sorted out:

A win like Frank had last night surely propels him to share the top of the division with Nog, Cain and myself. If beating Kongo was enough to propel Cain to number two contender status, destroying Kongo might edge Cain out. What is more compelling is that Mir made it our of that fight injury free so not only is he at the top of the division he is likely ready to fight sooner then later.

The main question I am getting is would I fight Frank? The answer is easy YES. I am not a fighter who decides who he fights, I fight who I am told to fight. I like it that way, I am not trying to build a legacy I am trying to fight the best fighters in the World and determine where I fit in. Mir is a Multiple time Champion, who has been counted out more then Mike Tyson to only find himself right back at the top. He is a LEGEND of the sport and I would be honored to fight him.

Whoa there, Hulk Hands. No one, but no one, has been counted out more times than Mike Tyson. And if you’re trying to make a point about someone who seems finished but then makes a miraculous comeback, “Iron” Mike might not be the best comparison. His life sort of went to shit a while ago, and has more or less stayed there.

All that aside, we see your point. Lesnar looks like he’s going to be out a little while, and a guy could do a whole lot worse than, say, an interim heavyweight title fight against a resurgent Mir.

But if Lesnar isn’t going to be on the couch watching “Hogan’s Heroes” reruns and recuperating from major surgery for the next year or so, don’t expect it to happen. Unless Lesnar’s going to be out for a long time, the UFC probably won’t want to waste a possible future challenger with what would essentially be a glorified number one contender match.

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The Truth- December 15, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Mir vs Cain/Carwin
Nog vs Cain/Carwin

Duffee rapes Kimbo and Nelson gets his head removed by Gonzaga .

Im ready.
TylerDyrden- December 15, 2009 at 2:02 pm
i agree with harry sack's comments on the future of the HW division...and steamingpuke22 had some good points too. im just messing with you vaginas about the grammar shit yeah it drives me insane, but i was boning up on final exam shit for my undergrad stuff so i was in school mode. but that's all over now so we can talk about actual mma-relevant issues.

a. i love organized

b. cain beats carwin. and gets next at bat for HW title match.

c. mir gets next up at the winner of those...after beating another HW. but who?

d. boobs in the D category are big...there's no debating that!
steampunk22- December 15, 2009 at 1:16 pm

Don't pretend that you don't know you're right. I heard it used to be called the "ArmFarmer".

ArmFarmer- December 15, 2009 at 1:11 pm
I believe that's the one where you grab your dick and someone else grabs your arm and moves it up and down.. so it's like they're beating you off.. but really it's your own hand and they are just supplying the motion. Correct me if I'm wrong.
ghostboner- December 15, 2009 at 12:44 pm
What the F is a Dutch Rudder? Other than a steering apparatus on a boat made in Holland. Seriously Robocop let me know what I'm missing out on.
Harry Sack- December 15, 2009 at 12:09 pm
...also is it just me or is Mir's facial expression in the above picture fucking hilarious?
Bas Rutten is sitting backwards in a chair in the hollywood hills reminesscing (fuck spell check) for his Youtube channel on that very same shit as you read this.
Harry Sack- December 15, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Seriously... is Tyler still on that grammar shit?
Look - in their inevitable match at some point in the future - Cain is going to fuck Carwin raw with disastrous technichal ability in a decision victory. Everyone will be scratching their heads at why they thought Carwin was a complete game fighter in the first place (just because you are so big your jab can knock out a horse, and you used to wrestle division II in college doesnt mean you are a Mixed Martial Artist - it just means you are a big, athletic MF who can punch) Carwin can wrestle and has size, but damn. Cain is just a better (div I all american wrestler), more well rounded fighter. In his last fight - lets not forget Carwin was getting punched in the face and had just started to ...
a. (you like that bullet point shit huh beyatch?) get wobbled by shots to the chin
b. mouth breathe from fatigue - in the 1st round foooooolll
- argue now and agree wif me laterz (sorry I had to).
Cain may take fights to decisions but he is in NO WAY, SHAPE, or FORM comparable to Fitch. Also - Dufee is an animal and Brock will require at least 2 fights to get back to form once his surgically repaired colon patch heals. He will be shy at least 30 lbs of pure muscle and will have lost that 'edge' that takes time to recover.
Mir will get Brock before he gets the title shot after the Carwin, Cain dust settles and only if he doesnt get visited by Dufee first. I know, I know... Dufee?!?!? WTF???!?! Argue now and agree later.

The floor is open
Mike Milbury- December 15, 2009 at 11:55 am
@meanfinger: So they can fight in just over two weeks notice? Well, maybe Mir can, but who knows what Carwin's been doing besides working at his engineering job?
Robocop Didnt Tap- December 15, 2009 at 11:21 am
So these two are all lovey dovey and ready to give each other Dutch Rudders now, but you know if they do fight, Frank will be talking about Carwin never being the same after their fight and then going on some tangent related to his obsession of taking Brock's soul or whatever dumb shit he comes up with.
BackbaconBilly- December 15, 2009 at 10:33 am

Thanks bro, I'm glad someone else could understand my ramblings, lol
steampunk22- December 15, 2009 at 9:58 am

Something tells me in your grade four spelling bee, in front of the whole school, you misspelled the word "Failure".


Since it seems like no one can agree on what the hell is going on, I'm going to throw in my two cents. The UFC doesn't want an Interim Title, and they definitely DO want Brock Lesnar to be the one defending the heavyweight title. The only problem here is time. This, and the arguments posted above, are solved in a simple way. Two fights for the number one contender spot.

Mir can fight Carwin and Cain and Big Nog can have their fight. Winners fight. That could potentially buy the UFC a whole year until people really start clambering for Lesnar to defend his title, and it solves the who is the real contender issue. I don't think Nog is going to take it, but Dana White wants to let him have at least one more run and its handy that he's still ranking in the top 10, especially coming off a win over Couture. Nog and Cain can work out who's got a better ground game, and Carwin and Mir can have a similar fight with a little more action in the striking. Works out well enough, and buys the UFC some time. It also drops two fighters down a peg or two giving room for up and comers like Dos Santos who can then be in line to fight for a contender spot.

Just my two cizzents.
Get Off Me- December 15, 2009 at 8:59 am
Cain is the new and improved Randy Couture at heavyweight(not an insult, not high praise either).
I know this is off the board a little bit, but I think the best heavyweight going is CIGANO.....He has the power to put guys away, he trades really well on the feet(ask Struve) and he has fought stiffer competition than most "top" heavyweights in the UFC. I would like to see Dos Santos fight Carwin, the winner of Velasquez v. Nogueira fights Mir.....then the two winners fight each other for the Strap....Strip Brock if he's gonna be out >1yr(it must be done, the interim belt means nothing, it should just be called number one contendership prize).
I think when the dust settles we may see a great fight between Mir and Dos Santos.

Dos Santos is going to get everyone's attention in the Yvel fight.
TylerDyrden- December 15, 2009 at 8:56 am
it's funny how everyone is saying that grammar has no relevance and doesn't matter to this thread...
let me queue you all in on something...none of what we talk about here on cagepotato ACTUALLY translates into any real fights being put together. Dana White could give two shits about what we think as fans on a website talking about who would beat who in a hypothetical battle of the HEAVIES. The bottom line is, they're NOT going to hold up an interim title match. they will wait until Brock comes stop predicting who would beat who in a dick measuring contest. There is obviously NO WAY TO PREDICT ANY OF IT. yes, it's fun to dream up countless possibilities, just don't take it too seriously. Have fun with it and don't lose sleep over this shit.

@ Walrus- Spelling bees. When Shane Carwin was in the 3rd grade he got 4th place in his class spelling bee losing to two asian kids and one nerdy white girl. Look it up.
meanfinger- December 15, 2009 at 8:42 am
cain couldnt finish congo.. and he's suppoosed to ge that good? kinda sounds to me like the jon fitch of the heavies, not to mention mazzagatti stopped his last fight a lil pre mature. even tho rothwell was gettin his ass handed to him.. cain couldnt finish him. cain would need the power of the people of mexico to beat either carwin or mir.. MIR vs. CARWIN. both ARE ready to ROCK... not to mention the january 2nd card is lookin a lil weak.
ArmFarmer- December 15, 2009 at 8:36 am
Carwin IS at the top of the division with those guys, I've never seen anyone even try to argue that he's not.. he's just stating fact.

The whole than/then and there/they're/their thing irritates the hell out of me too.
Mike Milbury- December 15, 2009 at 7:48 am
Carwin sounds well-spoken and polite, but he does not sound humble:

"A win like Frank had last night surely propels him to share the top of the division with Nog, Cain and myself" . Having the UFC say you're near the top is not the same as fighting your way to the top.

Not to mention his holier-than-thou doucheness whenever he talks MMA.
ReX13- December 15, 2009 at 7:23 am
Walrus Says:
Tue, 12/15/2009 - 01:58
"Get over the whole grammar issue, you bunch of OCD fags. He's a fighter -- this is not a spelling bee. Carwin is merely trying to get his point across. But congrats, you've managed to move the discussion from Carwin's next fight to your displeasment displeasure on one's grammar."



I have to agree with meanfinger--the UFC Heavyweight picture has changed radically in the last year, and it cries out for a tournament. Why not a full fledged round robin style tournament? We'd like to see to see all these guys fight one another, and it would definitely help clear up where everyone stands in the hierarchy, both for us and the fighters themselves.
The Truth- December 15, 2009 at 6:17 am
Carwin has fought one big name, and was getting smoked until he landed a bomb.

Make Carwin beat somebody, jeez. Cain has put in 3X the work so far. ID like to see a Carwin vs Cain or a Carwin vs Mir.
Shane Darwin- December 15, 2009 at 5:52 am
I just want to say THANKS for the support, all of you. I am doing my best to stay humble...REALLY F*CKING HUMBLE. Everyone in the heavyweight division EVEN BROCK has my total respect for putting themselves out on the line and doing it for the fans. I am really staying humble guys, and I am doing it for the fans. I love MMA, Love all of the fighting sports, and will always stay humble.

Red Baron- December 15, 2009 at 4:18 am
Dear TylerDryHumor,

Cut Carwin some slack. Actually you just made yourself look less on-the-ball for "knot" picking up on this. Carwin is an engineer for crying out loud; I'm sure he knows the difference between there, their, and they're. He's not writing a thesis - he likely was posting from a PDA with a tiny keypad using a stylus. Spelling and grammar doesn't count sometimes.

Now go back to diagramming sentences...:-)

Clinch-Smash- December 15, 2009 at 2:33 am
The only shot Mir has at beating Lesnar is if they fight tomorro, not to mention he doent' deserve a shot again for a while, or a chance @ an interim belt. If there has to be an interim champ the Carwin/Cain sould get the shots. Then when Lesnar comes back he sould have to fight his way back up just like Mir did it took him almost 3 years and 6 fights before he got a shot at the interim belt.
ianisthewalrus- December 15, 2009 at 2:18 am

you speak truth.
Spacebump- December 15, 2009 at 12:40 am
hey Tyler........ if you want to be a grammar fag try honing your capitalization and punctuation skills or GTFO. srsly. proper grammar isn't just there, their, they're, etc. quit being a douche or imma pop a cap in your email. hahaha
steampunk22- December 15, 2009 at 12:02 am
^^I agree with everything you said. :)
Walrus- December 14, 2009 at 11:58 pm
Get over the whole grammar issue, you bunch of OCD fags. He's a fighter -- this is not a spelling bee. Carwin is merely trying to get his point across. But congrats, you've managed to move the discussion from Carwin's next fight to your displeasment on one's grammar. Tell me you do not come off as losers.

Pretentious nitpickers aside, Carwin vs. Mir sounds like a great fight. I'd pay to see it.