(‘Thanks for the workout, chummmmmmmp.’ Photo courtesy of Fight Magazine.)
Because the MMA gods would never be content to allow the UFC’s heavyweight division be both intriguing and problem-free, Brock Lesnar’s illness just happens to have coincided with a number of potential challengers rising up all at once. You’ve got Shane Carwin, who was originally slated for the next shot at Lesnar. You’ve got Cain Velasquez, who’s been running through everyone the UFC puts in front of him. And after UFC 107 on Saturday night you’ve got Frank Mir, who would like to smugly point out that he almost knocked out and then submitted a guy who Velasquez couldn’t finish. You know, just saying.
With Lesnar’s future still uncertain, what will become of these three able heavyweight contenders? If you ask Carwin, he’ll tell you that he wouldn’t mind fighting Mir while all this other stuff gets sorted out:
A win like Frank had last night surely propels him to share the top of the division with Nog, Cain and myself. If beating Kongo was enough to propel Cain to number two contender status, destroying Kongo might edge Cain out. What is more compelling is that Mir made it our of that fight injury free so not only is he at the top of the division he is likely ready to fight sooner then later.
The main question I am getting is would I fight Frank? The answer is easy YES. I am not a fighter who decides who he fights, I fight who I am told to fight. I like it that way, I am not trying to build a legacy I am trying to fight the best fighters in the World and determine where I fit in. Mir is a Multiple time Champion, who has been counted out more then Mike Tyson to only find himself right back at the top. He is a LEGEND of the sport and I would be honored to fight him.
Whoa there, Hulk Hands. No one, but no one, has been counted out more times than Mike Tyson. And if you’re trying to make a point about someone who seems finished but then makes a miraculous comeback, “Iron” Mike might not be the best comparison. His life sort of went to shit a while ago, and has more or less stayed there.
All that aside, we see your point. Lesnar looks like he’s going to be out a little while, and a guy could do a whole lot worse than, say, an interim heavyweight title fight against a resurgent Mir.
But if Lesnar isn’t going to be on the couch watching “Hogan’s Heroes” reruns and recuperating from major surgery for the next year or so, don’t expect it to happen. Unless Lesnar’s going to be out for a long time, the UFC probably won’t want to waste a possible future challenger with what would essentially be a glorified number one contender match.
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Mon, 12/14/09 - 04:31
First! *waits for some knuckleheads to complain about the first post* *****looks into the camera and pulls a Matt Hughes: "Love it, Love it..." *****
Mon, 12/14/09 - 04:33
LOL @ the caption...
Mon, 12/14/09 - 04:48
Shane...you're such a well spoken, genuine, intelligent and heart felt dude. I hope Lesnar doesn't kill you. Seriously, I hope you live, cause we all hate Lesnar and need you to end him. AAAAAHHHH FUCK OFF NICE GUY!! no one wants to watch a nice person fight! Do some cartwheels lick somebodys blood off your glove or at least talk a little shit about someone. Go ahead, IT'LL MAKE YOU FEEEEEEL GOOOOD. You know.... Like whats her name gettin banged by billy bob thornton in Monsters Ball.
Mon, 12/14/09 - 05:03
Carwin vs Cain ( no later than Feb ) the winner becomes the #1 contender ( or maintains his status as such ) loser fights Mir no later than Apr to establish themselves at either the #2 or #3 contender. If Lesnar is not back by June he is stripped of the belt and the #1 contender fights the #2 contender for the H.W championship. Lesnar ( if he does fight soon after ) gets dropped down and fights the #3 contender and works his way back up to getting his chance at the champ again. This bullshit of letting people hang onto their belts while a fake Interim chump steps up is retarded.
Mon, 12/14/09 - 05:07
i love how everyone brags about shane carwin's impeccable ability to deliver a clear and coherent sentence, yet they never seem to catch any of his repetitive and basic grammar mistakes. i have seen them countless times he always incorrectly uses these words there, their, they're to, two, too then, than we're, were, where i'm not saying i'm perfect, and possibly compared to the likes of brock lesnar and company he may seem like Bill Shakespeare, but come on guys learn some basic grammar.
Mon, 12/14/09 - 05:42
What about Big nog ?
Mon, 12/14/09 - 05:45
If we what thought maybe learning grammar good wouldnt not make for us to be smarter that not grammar having wouldnt not we be the REAL monsters? ;P
Mon, 12/14/09 - 05:53
@TylerDurden He also misses commas and semi-colons a lot. It bothers me as much as it bothers you!
Mon, 12/14/09 - 05:58
Cause big nog got crushed by mir Virpz, (not trying to be a dick just stating a fact) Please dont screw over Cain DW. Put Shave and Cain against eachother and let mir have the winner. cain crushed the big black punching doll just like mir, but cane hasnt had his shot at being a contender. Yes there are other HWY's that are up and coming like todd duffey and jr dos sontos ( i know duffey hasnt beaten anyone yet but man is that guy a monster) anyways Lesnar will be out for at least a year considering the internal trauma his body has sustained regardless what his trainers say so why not have the top 3 fight it out in the mean time.
Mon, 12/14/09 - 06:21
TylerDyrden : but you understood what he meant yes? he is making little grammar mistake, but it doesn't take anything away from the message itself. Stop focusing on grammar, and focus on the meaning. Yoh ;)
Mon, 12/14/09 - 06:21
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Mon, 12/14/09 - 06:30
@Catalyst8487 TylerDyrden thank god their are other people who are bothered by carwins inability to proofread not that it really matters hes definitely not stupid
Mon, 12/14/09 - 07:09
I'd like to watch Carwin beat on mir and dash his hopes and dreams for revenge fulfillment. I thought that my hatred for mir had finally simmered and that I could begin the process of growing past it. Then I saw his new marc ecko back tattoo and he pulls me back in!
Mon, 12/14/09 - 07:20
Frank Mir wins one fight? Is every other fight Lesnar have going to be against Mir from now on?
Mon, 12/14/09 - 07:21
I probably hate worse than anyone the gr8 txt revolution; but, I agree with the above. If we're gonna be trying to write(type) the english language, we should try to do it correctly. Doubtless most of you would flip on an immigrant that wasn't speaking the language coherently. Anyway... Grammar Nazi in me aside, Carwin might not be the most literate human being alive; but, he's intelligent nonetheless. It's kinda refreshing to have a guy that's not a rageaholic getting so much media attention. Then again, it's kinda cool to hear him shit talk Lesnar a bit. Well done, Mr. Cawin.
Mon, 12/14/09 - 07:38
I hate it when fighters take huge lay-offs between fights. Get them in there and let them fight. Who cares about contenders and all that bullshit. I guess thats why I liked Pride so much. I'd rather see two big names fight each other for no reason then have the champ sit out for 6 months while a contender gets sorted out.
Mon, 12/14/09 - 07:55
shane carwin seems like an intelligent, rational, and cool dude. having said that, his repetitive grammar mistakes are bizarre and a little annoying. i gotta agree with what some other guy said in an earlier post.
Mon, 12/14/09 - 08:01
i was waitin for this.. they need to say fuck it.. take brock's belt, since they gift wrapped that shit for him anyways. and have a heavyweight fucking tourney.. not like that b.s they just had on TUF but u mine as well toss nelson into the mix.. u got rothwell, jr dos santos. cain, carwin, mir, nelson, duffy, cro cop.. thats half a ppv right there. too bad they couldnt do the one night tourney's like they used to... ahhhhh the good ol days.
Mon, 12/14/09 - 08:18
thank you catalyst and richorama for agreeing with me. now look, i'm not saying that i don't understand carwin's messages or that he is not intelligent. i'm merely saying that it's annoying that people make him out to be buzz aldrin...look him up if you don't get the reference. granted he's an engineer, not the editor of the NY TIMES, but i'm just sick of people giving him so much credit for being a genius. CARWIN is the MOST INTELLIGENT CAVEMAN I HAVE EVER SEEN! BUT HE'S STILL A CAVEMAN there, i said it.
Mon, 12/14/09 - 08:31
^^You like that people agree with you.
Mon, 12/14/09 - 08:33
sure, because you can estimate somoene intellect by spoting grammar mistake ;) And we all know that Buzz Aldrin is the best writer ever :) Man I love reading his novel with no grammars errors ;) By the way, I'm not saying Carwin is Einstein, just saying you can't judge intellect by the way they are writing.Just my opinion.
Mon, 12/14/09 - 08:50
I love how everyone brags about TylerDyrden’s impeccable ability to deliver a clear and coherent sentence that is grammatically correct, yet they never seem to catch any of his repetitive and basic punctuation omissions. I have seen them countless times. And for god sakes would a hyphen or bullet point kill you? -Yes? -No? I'm not saying I'm perfect, and possibly compared to the likes of TylerDyrden and company I may seem like Bill Shakespeare, but come on guys learn some basic punctuation. :)
Mon, 12/14/09 - 08:54
I MADE AN ACCOUNT AND TOGGLED MY CAPSLOCK ON TO MAKE FUN OF THE GUY WHO REMEMBERS BILLY BOB BUT NOT HALLE BERRY FROM THE AWESOME SEX SCENE.
Mon, 12/14/09 - 09:18
@ steampunk and TylerDyrden ha ha ha rich! Bill Shakespeare, love it. Ok here it is: Cain Vs Nog Winner fights Mir for title shot A. Duffee vs Dos Santos Winner fights Carwin for Title shot B I put Mir there because of the Big Nog rematch ppossibility, but he and Carwin are interchangeable. Personally I think Mir should have to fight and win again before the Cain vs Nog and if he wins then he can fight the winner for a title shot. Same goes for pretty much al the other guys in there. They all need a few more solid W's to make a case for a shot at the title, but I can't think of any better match ups off the top of my head. Suggestions? Let's brainstorm this bitch and then send a petition to Dana with our preferred bouts. We're his bosses, remember?
Mon, 12/14/09 - 09:23
A match I would really love to see is Cain vs Carwin. Cain says he has no prob with a 280 lb guy who can wrestle, so I would like him to put his money (and by "his money" I mean "Shane Carwin's fist") where his cro-magnon mouth is. Maybe he could fight Carwin for a title shot and Mir could fight the winner of Duffee vs Dos Santos, and if Mir wins, then fight the loser of Cain vs Carwin.
Mon, 12/14/09 - 09:29
Carwin is an engineer whose hobby/second profession involves getting punched in the head. Who cares if he makes grammatical errors? At least he tries to write coherently; you want to complain about a fighter's writing, talk about War Machine. That dude epitomizes awful spelling and grammar.
Mon, 12/14/09 - 09:40
I don't understand what the fuck is so complicated about the heavyweight title picture. Brock will not be fighting within a year, therefore, he should be stripped of the title. He can always be made #1 contender when he gets back, but for now, he's far too unhealthy. There is NO reason for an interim champ to be crowned. For fuck sake, they didn't have any problem stripping Mir of his title when he had his motorcycle accident. After that, there's no reason for a tournament, there's only one match for the vacant title that makes sense: Shane Carwin Vs. Cain Velasquez. That's it. Mir and Nogeuira should not be in the picture. They're both coming off of wins that are coming off of loses. Carwin and Velasquez are undefeated, with many W's in the UFC. Not to metnion, Carwin's #1 contendership shouldn't be taken away from him, so why the fuck is anyone talking Cain Vs. Noguiera being for an interim title? CARWIN VS. VELASQUEZ FOR THE TITLE, IT'S THAT FUCKING SIMPLE!
Mon, 12/14/09 - 10:05
man 'dis shit is whack y'all. fuck all deez foolz not kno how two be spellin nuttin. i grewz up in downtowns palos verdes, kallifornia and i spitz fiya bombs when i spitz. my he row is shane carwinn cuzz of his mad anglish skillz and da way he is so smart by bein such a ukkomplish't civil engine-ear or whateva. i will spitz kool-aids on all you haters that be sippin on hate-sauce and not giving mad propz to carwinn for his excellint skillz when he be typin. he fight good too. just sayin. english matters bitches. no i don't capitalize everything, or put a damn hyphen or bullet-point before every paragraph i start, all i know is that people don't brag about how smart i am all day long. but that's what is happening with carwin. just an observation. he would still beat the shit out of me in a fight 365 and 1/4 days out of the year....yes....yes, yes, yes (sanchez), but i'm reasonably positive that he missed a few days of elementary when they were learning how to write in english.
Mon, 12/14/09 - 10:43
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Mon, 12/14/09 - 11:55
Mir and Lesnar are 1-1. As long as Mir works his way back up from his loss there is no reason why he shouldn't fight Lesnar! Mir with 40 xtra lbs of muscle should provide a relevant rubber match!!!!
Mon, 12/14/09 - 11:58
Get over the whole grammar issue, you bunch of OCD fags. He's a fighter -- this is not a spelling bee. Carwin is merely trying to get his point across. But congrats, you've managed to move the discussion from Carwin's next fight to your displeasment on one's grammar. Tell me you do not come off as losers. Pretentious nitpickers aside, Carwin vs. Mir sounds like a great fight. I'd pay to see it.
Tue, 12/15/09 - 12:02
^^I agree with everything you said. :)
Tue, 12/15/09 - 12:40
hey Tyler........ if you want to be a grammar fag try honing your capitalization and punctuation skills or GTFO. srsly. proper grammar isn't just there, their, they're, etc. quit being a douche or imma pop a cap in your email. hahaha
Tue, 12/15/09 - 02:18
@BackbaconBilly you speak truth.
Tue, 12/15/09 - 02:33
The only shot Mir has at beating Lesnar is if they fight tomorro, not to mention he doent' deserve a shot again for a while, or a chance @ an interim belt. If there has to be an interim champ the Carwin/Cain sould get the shots. Then when Lesnar comes back he sould have to fight his way back up just like Mir did it took him almost 3 years and 6 fights before he got a shot at the interim belt.
Tue, 12/15/09 - 04:18
Dear TylerDryHumor, Cut Carwin some slack. Actually you just made yourself look less on-the-ball for "knot" picking up on this. Carwin is an engineer for crying out loud; I'm sure he knows the difference between there, their, and they're. He's not writing a thesis - he likely was posting from a PDA with a tiny keypad using a stylus. Spelling and grammar doesn't count sometimes. Now go back to diagramming sentences...:-)
Tue, 12/15/09 - 05:52
I just want to say THANKS for the support, all of you. I am doing my best to stay humble...REALLY F*CKING HUMBLE. Everyone in the heavyweight division EVEN BROCK has my total respect for putting themselves out on the line and doing it for the fans. I am really staying humble guys, and I am doing it for the fans. I love MMA, Love all of the fighting sports, and will always stay humble.
Tue, 12/15/09 - 06:17
Carwin has fought one big name, and was getting smoked until he landed a bomb. Make Carwin beat somebody, jeez. Cain has put in 3X the work so far. ID like to see a Carwin vs Cain or a Carwin vs Mir.
Tue, 12/15/09 - 07:23
Walrus Says: Tue, 12/15/2009 - 01:58 "Get over the whole grammar issue, you bunch of OCD fags. He's a fighter -- this is not a spelling bee. Carwin is merely trying to get his point across. But congrats, you've managed to move the discussion from Carwin's next fight to your displeasment displeasure on one's grammar." TIFI *** I have to agree with meanfinger--the UFC Heavyweight picture has changed radically in the last year, and it cries out for a tournament. Why not a full fledged round robin style tournament? We'd like to see to see all these guys fight one another, and it would definitely help clear up where everyone stands in the hierarchy, both for us and the fighters themselves.
Tue, 12/15/09 - 07:48
Carwin sounds well-spoken and polite, but he does not sound humble: "A win like Frank had last night surely propels him to share the top of the division with Nog, Cain and myself" . Having the UFC say you're near the top is not the same as fighting your way to the top. Not to mention his holier-than-thou doucheness whenever he talks MMA.
Tue, 12/15/09 - 08:36
Carwin IS at the top of the division with those guys, I've never seen anyone even try to argue that he's not.. he's just stating fact. The whole than/then and there/they're/their thing irritates the hell out of me too.
Tue, 12/15/09 - 08:42
cain couldnt finish congo.. and he's suppoosed to ge that good? kinda sounds to me like the jon fitch of the heavies, not to mention mazzagatti stopped his last fight a lil pre mature. even tho rothwell was gettin his ass handed to him.. cain couldnt finish him. cain would need the power of the people of mexico to beat either carwin or mir.. MIR vs. CARWIN. both ARE ready to ROCK... not to mention the january 2nd card is lookin a lil weak.
Tue, 12/15/09 - 08:56
it's funny how everyone is saying that grammar has no relevance and doesn't matter to this thread... let me queue you all in on something...none of what we talk about here on cagepotato ACTUALLY translates into any real fights being put together. Dana White could give two shits about what we think as fans on a website talking about who would beat who in a hypothetical battle of the HEAVIES. The bottom line is, they're NOT going to hold up an interim title match. they will wait until Brock comes back...so stop predicting who would beat who in a dick measuring contest. There is obviously NO WAY TO PREDICT ANY OF IT. yes, it's fun to dream up countless possibilities, just don't take it too seriously. Have fun with it and don't lose sleep over this shit. @ Walrus- Spelling bees. When Shane Carwin was in the 3rd grade he got 4th place in his class spelling bee losing to two asian kids and one nerdy white girl. Look it up.
Tue, 12/15/09 - 08:59
Cain is the new and improved Randy Couture at heavyweight(not an insult, not high praise either). I know this is off the board a little bit, but I think the best heavyweight going is CIGANO.....He has the power to put guys away, he trades really well on the feet(ask Struve) and he has fought stiffer competition than most "top" heavyweights in the UFC. I would like to see Dos Santos fight Carwin, the winner of Velasquez v. Nogueira fights Mir.....then the two winners fight each other for the Strap....Strip Brock if he's gonna be out >1yr(it must be done, the interim belt means nothing, it should just be called number one contendership prize). I think when the dust settles we may see a great fight between Mir and Dos Santos. Dos Santos is going to get everyone's attention in the Yvel fight.
Tue, 12/15/09 - 09:58
@TylerDyrden Something tells me in your grade four spelling bee, in front of the whole school, you misspelled the word "Failure". ;P Since it seems like no one can agree on what the hell is going on, I'm going to throw in my two cents. The UFC doesn't want an Interim Title, and they definitely DO want Brock Lesnar to be the one defending the heavyweight title. The only problem here is time. This, and the arguments posted above, are solved in a simple way. Two fights for the number one contender spot. Mir can fight Carwin and Cain and Big Nog can have their fight. Winners fight. That could potentially buy the UFC a whole year until people really start clambering for Lesnar to defend his title, and it solves the who is the real contender issue. I don't think Nog is going to take it, but Dana White wants to let him have at least one more run and its handy that he's still ranking in the top 10, especially coming off a win over Couture. Nog and Cain can work out who's got a better ground game, and Carwin and Mir can have a similar fight with a little more action in the striking. Works out well enough, and buys the UFC some time. It also drops two fighters down a peg or two giving room for up and comers like Dos Santos who can then be in line to fight for a contender spot. Just my two cizzents.
Tue, 12/15/09 - 10:33
@ianisthewalrus Thanks bro, I'm glad someone else could understand my ramblings, lol
Tue, 12/15/09 - 11:21
So these two are all lovey dovey and ready to give each other Dutch Rudders now, but you know if they do fight, Frank will be talking about Carwin never being the same after their fight and then going on some tangent related to his obsession of taking Brock's soul or whatever dumb shit he comes up with.
Tue, 12/15/09 - 11:55
@meanfinger: So they can fight in just over two weeks notice? Well, maybe Mir can, but who knows what Carwin's been doing besides working at his engineering job?
Tue, 12/15/09 - 12:05
Seriously... is Tyler still on that grammar shit? Look - in their inevitable match at some point in the future - Cain is going to fuck Carwin raw with disastrous technichal ability in a decision victory. Everyone will be scratching their heads at why they thought Carwin was a complete game fighter in the first place (just because you are so big your jab can knock out a horse, and you used to wrestle division II in college doesnt mean you are a Mixed Martial Artist - it just means you are a big, athletic MF who can punch) Carwin can wrestle and has size, but damn. Cain is just a better (div I all american wrestler), more well rounded fighter. In his last fight - lets not forget Carwin was getting punched in the face and had just started to ... a. (you like that bullet point shit huh beyatch?) get wobbled by shots to the chin b. mouth breathe from fatigue - in the 1st round foooooolll - argue now and agree wif me laterz (sorry I had to). Cain may take fights to decisions but he is in NO WAY, SHAPE, or FORM comparable to Fitch. Also - Dufee is an animal and Brock will require at least 2 fights to get back to form once his surgically repaired colon patch heals. He will be shy at least 30 lbs of pure muscle and will have lost that 'edge' that takes time to recover. Mir will get Brock before he gets the title shot after the Carwin, Cain dust settles and only if he doesnt get visited by Dufee first. I know, I know... Dufee?!?!? WTF???!?! Argue now and agree later. The floor is open
Tue, 12/15/09 - 12:09
...also is it just me or is Mir's facial expression in the above picture fucking hilarious? Bas Rutten is sitting backwards in a chair in the hollywood hills reminesscing (fuck spell check) for his Youtube channel on that very same shit as you read this.
Tue, 12/15/09 - 12:44
What the F is a Dutch Rudder? Other than a steering apparatus on a boat made in Holland. Seriously Robocop let me know what I'm missing out on.
Tue, 12/15/09 - 01:11
I believe that's the one where you grab your dick and someone else grabs your arm and moves it up and down.. so it's like they're beating you off.. but really it's your own hand and they are just supplying the motion. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Tue, 12/15/09 - 01:16
@ArmFarmer Don't pretend that you don't know you're right. I heard it used to be called the "ArmFarmer". :)
Tue, 12/15/09 - 02:02
i agree with harry sack's comments on the future of the HW division...and steamingpuke22 had some good points too. im just messing with you vaginas about the grammar shit yeah it drives me insane, but i was boning up on final exam shit for my undergrad stuff so i was in school mode. but that's all over now so we can talk about actual mma-relevant issues. a. i love bullet-points...so organized b. cain beats carwin. and gets next at bat for HW title match. c. mir gets next up at the winner of those...after beating another HW. but who? d. boobs in the D category are big...there's no debating that!
Tue, 12/15/09 - 05:35
Mir vs Cain/Carwin Nog vs Cain/Carwin Duffee rapes Kimbo and Nelson gets his head removed by Gonzaga . Im ready.
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