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Frank Mir Doesn’t Think Overeem Will Fare Well in the Octagon

(“This guy knows how to eat.”)

Frank Mir thinks Alistair Overeem will suffer a similar fate as Mirko Cro Cop if and when he finally fights for the UFC.

Either Mir doesn’t know anything about Overeem or he’s trying to needle his way into a fight with the heavyweight Strikeforce, DREAM and K-1 champion  when he transitions to the Octagon. Whatever his intentions are, it’s likely the only thing Mir will succeed in doing is pissing off “The Reem.”

Here’s what he had to say in a recent interview he did with MMA30′s Dave Farra:

“With all the guys with the wrestling ability I dont think Overeem will do as well as a lot of the fans would like him to do. Obviously the guy’s from from K-1 and I can’t say enough about his stand-up. He’s a great fighter and he has a pretty wicked guillotine — at least he did at light heavyweight he [did],” mir explained. “I haven’t really seen him establish it since he put the weight on. He has some submissions off his back and he moves around, but he’s been fighting in boxing rings and stuff, but going to fight in the cage, which he’s he’s had fights in cages, but you get someone like a Velasquez or Carwin or Brock, they’re going to change levels and push you against a cage and rip you down. So I think Overeem is going to have to deal with the cage now. When youre a striker, it’s an issue.”

(Video courtesy of YouTube/MMA30)

Now we could have just dismissed this as being another retarded statement from Mir. like his recent assertion that Roy Nelson is a less skilled version of his training partner Mike Whitehead, but we figured that would be too easy, so here are a few reasons why Mir’s comments on Overeem are BS:

Considering the fact that his ratio of submission to KO wins is 19-14, it might be a bit deceiving writing off “The Demolition Man” as being simply a striker. While it’s true that he is perhaps best known for the K-1-level striking he honed training at Golden Glory, Alistair has repeately pointed out over the years that he focuses as much time in the gym on his grappling and wrestling as he does his stand-up training. Although he never wrestled in college and doesn’t have the credentials of Velasquez and Lesnar, shooting for a takedown exposes a fighter to being kneed, kicked or punched in the face, so there’s a pretty good chance neither fighter would attempt a takedown against Overeem for fear of getting caught with a big shot or stuck in his vice-like clinch.


(Video courtesy of YouTube/StillW1ll)

As far as Mir hypothesizing that fighting in an Octagon will be a problem for Alistair, all of his Strikeforce and several of his DREAM fights have been contested in a cage. Besides that, a cage actually works in the favor of a submission artist against a wrestler more so than a ring as it provides leverage and a solid surface to push off and sweep or roll out from under an opponent. It also acts as a wall to allow a fighter to walk back to his feet when taken down against the fence.

It seems like Mir is just grasping at straws for the tired argument that UFC champions are better than Strikforce champions. Thankfully, now we’re finally going to find out which side is right.

Comments

  1. Dynamo Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 10:13


    Tough call for the long run, it's hard to win constantly in MMA. I know he'd beat Mir pretty easily, Mir just lets people bully him in the cage since his accident years ago.. Only fights he looks good in don't hit the ground, like Nog.
  2. Bill Jackson Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 10:16


    Mir makes some valid points here. Cages favor wrestlers. Nothing new here.
  3. Bob Reilly Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 10:23


    I'm excited to see what happens when he gets to the octagon. You never know how he'll do.
  4. FeelDaRiddum Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 10:23


    if mir wants to get destoryed by ubereem then let him.
  5. tysonmcneely Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 10:26


    Who wrote this? #1 in the Tags, his last name is Mir, not Mier. #2 "Besides that, a cage actually works in the favor of a submission artist against a wrestler more so than a ring as it provides leverage and a solid surface to push off and sweep or roll out from under an opponent. It also acts as a wall to allow a fighter to walk back to his feet when taken down against the fence." Has this person ever trained before? While it is easier to get up, it is also A LOT easier to take someone down with a cage. That is what Mir is referring to. Sometimes after you wall walk, you are still stuck in a clinch and get taken down again. #3 CroCop almost never got taken down in Pride, but was much easier to get down in the UFC due to the cage. Now I don't necessarily agree with Mir, but he makes some valid points... which the writer here does a terrible job refuting.
  6. PingPong Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 10:36


    I don't know how many pictures of Overeem I have seem with him wearing that bizarro grey Grandma Sweater of his? I think it's his equivalent of Fedor's sweater.
  7. nickyroose Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 10:40


    I am the number one Mir, Mier, hater but I have to make some agreements. I remember long ago some chowderheads on this site said that the ring was better than the cage I disagreed then disagree now. The ring causes resets, interference and most importantly, severely limits a wrestlers ability to take a guy down. when you reach the end of the ring you can snake out and get a reset, all you have to do is avoid being in position to give the wrestler the entirety of the ring by staying near the ropes yourself or slightly away from the middle. At high levels its takes a lot of ground to get a guy with a good sprawl down. And submission expert or not it is rare exceptions like Chael Sonnen who wrestle at a high level and get submitted from top position. When is the last time you saw a really good wrestler get tapped from a dominant position?
  8. Momoplata Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 10:54


    My bet is that "The Reem" sends Mir into early retirement.
  9. LOKI Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 11:17


    Not mentioned is the fact that Mir might actually have a better gas tank than Reem. In any case I think he is a smarter and craftier fighter and gets the sub.
  10. Fedor Penn Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 11:30


    Let's see Mir step up and take a fight with the Reem. He will get his shit talking mouth beat in worse than Brock did to him. Nelson is gonna whoop his ass anyways.
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    Fri, 04/22/11 - 11:46


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  12. Spicymeatball Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 11:47


    Frank Mir calling someone overrated and being a dick? COLOR ME SHOCKED!
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  14. PERPATRAITOR Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 12:01


    Mir and Ben Rothlesberger. I swear they are twins put on earth to molest girls or boys. Each has their picks.
  15. ArmFarmer Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 12:24


    When the writer of this article said that there was a pretty good chance brock, shane, and cain wouldn't try to take down a k1 champion kickboxer... I said goodbye to his credibility. Seriously.. Wtf??
  16. ArmFarmer Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 12:31


    Theres a small risk of getting kneed, punched, or clinched when attempting a takedown... Therefore college wrestling champion will choose to fight a kickboxing match against a world champion kickboxer.. Because thats like.. Safer.. Or something... ????
  17. Mofo Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 12:39


    This is just bad writing. Factually incorrect about everything you say. No wonder you didn't attach your name. " there’s a pretty good chance neither fighter would attempt a takedown against Overeem for fear of getting caught with a big shot" That old wives tale is such bullshit by now. That's what Toney said about Couture, jackass!! This thing made me mad enough I can't keep typing...
  18. ArmFarmer Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 12:44


    What's with the constant typos and mistakes in all the articles too.. "It seems like Mir is just grasping at straws for the tired argument that UFC champions are better than Strikforce champions." Normally I wouldn't nitpick little things like that, but it's getting annoying that they are in almost every article lately. I'm adding that to my list... 1. Remove/block/delete spammers 2. Put the edit button back 3. Read your articles before you post them
  19. Ascerendant Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 01:29


    "shooting for a takedown exposes a fighter to being kneed, kicked or punched in the face, so there’s a pretty good chance neither fighter would attempt a takedown against Overeem for fear of getting caught with a big shot or stuck in his vice-like clinch." There it is again, the fairytale of the dangerous counter-knee against a wrestler. How often have we actually seen this outside of leighweight where some fighters are actually fast enough to pull this off? The mma-wrestlers who set up their shots do not fear this because it's a 1/50 chance they get caught - if not even less.
  20. ArmFarmer Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 02:24


    Not to mention, if it's not a ko you just gave up a takedown and now you're on your back. 1/50 you even land the knee, then you have to factor in the chances of it being a 1 hit ko strike. If it's not, it probably wasn't worth it.
  21. TheHamburgler Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 02:26


    Does frank mir realize that if he can't take down overeem, he has no advantage over him? There are really only 4 people i see beating overeem in the ufc, and none of them likely 1)Brock lesnar- if he can take him down and hold him, he could defeat overeem, but his intentions to take him down would be obvious 2)Cain velasquez- his striking and reach are good enough to stand long enough to get a takedown. 3)Junior Dos Santos- only if his chin is strong enough to survive overeems punches, kicks, and knees, and even then it would be luck 4)Nogueira- hail-mary submission, but that would only be if his chin is the strongest it has ever been
  22. Clyde Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 02:32


    @Armfarmer and Ascerendant, exactly what I was thinking. I do not expect Brock Lesnar to stand and trade strikes with Overeem because he's worried what will happen if he goes for a takedown. I think he'd be worried if he went to take him down and couldn't, but he knows that the stand up game is not his trump card against a K1 champion.
  23. sinistercannibal Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 02:44


    I am willing to bet 50$ cain beats overeem. cain takedowns are just too good. I predict tko in the second round. I would love to see cheick congo vs overeem to see who really is the biggest ape in mma
  24. SouthpawGrammar Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 02:52


    About Carwin and Lesnar: "shooting for a takedown exposes a fighter to being kneed, kicked or punched in the face, so there’s a pretty good chance neither fighter would attempt a takedown against Overeem for fear of getting caught with a big shot or stuck in his vice-like clinch." Jesus fucking Christ. You're a goddamn moron whoever wrote this shit article.
  25. SouthpawGrammar Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 02:53


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  26. RearNakedSpoon Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 03:01


    Run away Mir, run far far away. Your tactic of letting your opponent punch himself out on your face is not working out well and Ubereem is the last person you want to try it on.
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  28. DaltonSwayze Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 03:37


    Yeah I can't imagine MR or BG wrote this pile of shit. What the hell is going on here?
  29. noizy Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 04:16


    Yea. Fighting in a hexagon is very different than an octagon.
  30. Frank Mirko CC Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 04:20


    Holy shit. "there’s a pretty good chance neither fighter would attempt a takedown against Overeem for fear of getting caught with a big shot or stuck in his vice-like clinch." So they won't attempt a takedown for fear of getting caught by Overeem's striking.. so they will opt to strike with him instead? Did that make sense to you? Do you really think Lesnar is going to stand there and trade with Overeem? What the fuck? "several of his DREAM fights have been contested in a cage." Name two.
  31. SouthpawGrammar Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 04:52


    I want answers goddamnit. Who wrote this shit.
  32. RwilsonR Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 05:35


    This article came across as an Overeem love fest, and I think Mir makes some valid points. That is the most frustrating thing about Frank Mir - he has these moments where he has really well thought out, intelligent, analytical points about the sport. Then he spends the rest of his time being a complete douche. I think he makes some very good arguments, and until we see Overeem face those top-level wrestlers, you can't defend him either way.
  33. JCVD as Timecop Says:

    Fri, 04/22/11 - 08:47


    "As far as Mir hypothesizing that fighting in an Octagon will be a problem for Alistair, all of his Strikeforce and several of his DREAM fights have been contested in a cage." Why the FUCK am I seeing a steady decline in the usage of the word "an"? I am seriously worried that people don't know the difference any more. Also, whoever recently joined the CP team is a terrible writer.
  34. Your Dumb Says:

    Sat, 04/23/11 - 09:02


    lol... you know your wrote a piece of crap when people are coming out to defend Frank F'n Mir. Although I think Mir would likely get his ass kicked by Overeem, I think he makes some valid points. Their are a lot of MMA fans who have an unjustified boner for a heavyweight Overeem who really has yet to prove anything in that weight class, in MMA. Biggest win is Brett Rogers, you got to be kidding me.
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    Sat, 04/23/11 - 09:15


    Wow. Just wow. Expert analysis, author. I don't have any points to make that others haven't already made but I'd like to magnify them with a good old +1.
  36. sinistercannibal Says:

    Sat, 04/23/11 - 09:17


    this author sucks
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