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Gary Shaw Not Impressed With Rankings, Logic

(‘Oh, no. That chili dog ain’t sitting right.’)

It’s been a busy week for Elite XC’s Gary Shaw. Between hyping his organization’s live show on CBS and condescending to his female fighters, it’s a wonder he finds time for anything else. But Shaw bravely continued with his white-Don-King-in-a-track-suit act during yesterday’s conference call with Robbie Lawler and Scott Smith.

When talk turned to how strange it was that a title fight between Scott Smith and Robbie Lawler (who is frequently ranked in the top ten at middleweight) was playing second fiddle to the main event featuring Kimbo Slice and James Thompson (who is coming off two straight KO losses), Shaw tried to put things in perspective:

I want to address one other thing because somebody asked a question about ratings. I think all the ratings are flawed. I’ve gone on record as saying that. They’re basically ratings of the UFC fighters. The UFC has some very, very fine fighters and has put on some fine fights. EliteXC has some fine fighters and we’ve put on some great fights.

So, the rankings aren’t really what they should be because until the UFC is willing to put their fighters up against our fighters, then the rankings will always be flawed.

Let me see if I understand this: the rankings of guys like Lawler and Smith are flawed because they are essentially UFC rankings. Even though, depending on whose rankings you use, somewhere in the neighborhood of half the top ten middleweights (just to cite one weight class) fight outside the UFC. And the rankings will never be legitimate until the UFC allows their fighters to face Elite XC fighters.

That’s an interesting argument. For one, it’s a line of reasoning that clearly benefits Elite XC. For another, both Lawler and Smith are former UFC fighters, so in that sense the UFC has put their fighters up against Elite XC’s. Smith was shown the door after being submitted by Ed Herman last June, and Herman is nowhere near anyone’s top ten. So…how are the rankings flawed, exactly?

But Shaw didn’t stop at just rejecting the current rankings system. He also took aim at the crazy notion of evaluating talent based on the number and quality of past fights. Yeah, you see where this train is going. Straight to Kimbo-town.

I’m doing a big HBO show Saturday in Nevada. It’s called Rising Stars and its three kids that are some of the best fighters in the world, and one of them has only had nine fights.

So, I don’t think the number of fights determines how good a fighter is, or whether that fighter could be a star or superstar.

To recap: because Shaw is promoting a different show of inexperienced fighters, one of whom has three times as many fights as Kimbo, that makes number of fights meaningless. Everyone clear on that? Good, let’s move on.

Let me remind everyone on this call that nobody cared who Mike Tyson fought. If you asked someone what they were doing Saturday night, they would say they were going to see Tyson. They didn’t say Tyson against anybody. If he beat up on somebody that wasn’t as good as him, people would say he’s the baddest man on the planet. Some of the questions on this call are about an aging Tyson who got knocked out in his last fight. But it’s still the aura of Tyson.

That’s what Kimbo Slice brings. I’m proud to promote him and proud to know him. I’m proud to call him a friend. Everybody should be cheer-leading Kimbo because he is a reason, not the only reason, but a reason that CBS really looked up. The logo of CBS, that eye, they put that eye right on Kimbo Slice.

Maybe it’s just me, but if you’re trying to sell us on the legitimacy of Kimbo Slice as an MMA fighter, it might not be the best idea to talk about the disaster that Mike Tyson’s career has become and then follow it up with, “That’s what Kimbo Slice brings.”

Shaw does realize that all the attention Tyson has received in recent years has been negative, right? People look at Tyson the way they look at a dog running out into traffic: they’re pretty sure something terrible is about to happen and the only thing worse than seeing it would be not seeing it. Is that the type of celebrity that Shaw has in mind for Kimbo?

To stick with Shaw’s Mike Tyson comparison, let’s not forget that the biggest Tyson fights were against credible opponents like Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis. Tyson wasn’t a main event fighter at the beginning of his career. He worked his way up by fighting frequently on undercards during his first two years as a professional.

In other words, he established himself the way every other fighter does. By winning fights. What a crazy world.


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Anonymous- May 16, 2008 at 6:57 am
Speaking of Kimbo and Tyson in the same discussion. Man wouldnt you love to see Tyson knock Kimbo's head off in a boxing match? I mean, i dont hate Kimbo. Im sure he will bring something to the MMA game worth all is hype eventually. But think about it. Kimbo is supposed to be this terrifying dude who knocks muthas out. But I mean come on, Tyson would knock his bearded head off, then rape the neck hole left behind, using Kimbo's squirting blood as a vile lubricant.
GSP for Prime Minister- May 15, 2008 at 7:48 pm
WOW - talk about pressure on kimbo, eh? Shaw is REALLY taking a huge gamble here. Can u imagine if Kimbo gets KTFO'd??? All his marketing and probably the legitimacy of his whole Elite organization will go down the drain!!!!!!
Shaw still suck's affliction's dick- May 15, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Why should we listen to the genius who predicted that affliction will have "boring, noncompetitive" matches. Seriously, Shaw's group is the king's of one-fight-hype-night! Hmm..the Gorilla Thug vs. Captain Glass Jaw...that sounds like a worthy MMA match as a main card. What's this you say, there will be a title fight involving former UFC fighters and one of them got cut from the UFC last year? Sounds like $ucce$$. Oh wait, that is way weaker almost anything on the Affliction card. Yes, I will still watch the next Kimbo fight for free on the chance that he might get KTFO by one of these stepping stones, but I will definitely pay cash$ for the Affliction PPV. STFU and GBTW Shaw. Can't wait for Affliction.
Luke- May 15, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Analyze. The word you were looking for is analyze. Analize is really different. Check it out.
BIG CHRIS- May 15, 2008 at 5:59 pm
HEY HOW DID YOU KNOW!! Man you have got me all figured have really made me take a good hard look at myself...thanks man you are like Dr. Phil, I mean seriously, to take the time to analize me like this it really means a lot....I feel the love man, I feel the love.....
KG- May 15, 2008 at 5:51 pm
So BIG CHRIS's occupation is teaching a 4yr old kid to smell women and comment on their aroma? His occupation is being a fat ass? Congratulations- I just figured out your entire lifestyle on this simple blog posting.

My summary:

1) BIG CHRIS does not mean a muscular Chris, but a fat pile of shit that possibly binges on Cracker Jacks (as his son is already referencing them)

2) Interests of his are things like writing, comedy, and MMA. All of which he probably just 'writes' blog responses on 'MMA' sites that contains his poor attempt at 'comedy'.

3) He is proud of a 4 year old child that thinks strangers at a supermarket smell like his fathers underwear drawer
BIG CHRIS- May 15, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Rumbler- May 15, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Ladies and gents... I give you BIG CHRIS...

Age: 28
Biography: Don't Worry About IT!
Location: L.A.
Interests: Writing,Comedy,MMA....
Occupation: Fatty, fat, fat!

Please tell us more about your occupation. Please!
Rumbler- May 15, 2008 at 5:19 pm
So, Who wants to talk about Jesus?
RAMBO- May 15, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Old, Bald and Irish- May 15, 2008 at 5:12 pm

How old is BIG CHRIS?

Not as old as me!

(*sound of me falling out of my walker and breaking my hip*)
BIG CHRIS- May 15, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Check the forums, I am in there and it says how old I am...
skidding- May 15, 2008 at 4:49 pm
@Big Chris

So how old are you?
BIG CHRIS- May 15, 2008 at 4:45 pm
You got that right Joe day i will rule the world!!!
Joe Son- May 15, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Hold up, Big Chris is procreating? We're all fucked.
BIG CHRIS- May 15, 2008 at 4:29 pm
he is 4 and he is hilarious....and why would I be on CP if i wans't an MMA fan....
skidding- May 15, 2008 at 4:19 pm
1. I am flattered by the attention you give me.
2. If you do have a four year old son, I would like to think he really didn't say that. If it's true, I think it sucks that your son has already become a douche at four years old. I guess he's a chip off the old block.
3. I thought you were a 16 year old douche? How old of a douche are you anyways, seriously?
4. I apologize for sounding demeaning, but if it makes you feel any better, as long as you're a fan of MMA, you're ok in my book.
BIG CHRIS- May 15, 2008 at 3:58 pm
WOW! skidding....c'mon dude, are you serious....My 4 yr. old son can come up with better stuff than that...actually he did, just the other day, he made me so proud, we were in a supermarket and we walked by this person...and he looks at me and says, "dad, that lady smells like poop and Kracker Jacks." 4 yrs' old and he is already more funny than you....
skidding- May 15, 2008 at 3:46 pm
So wearing the track suit is comfortable, especially for old people... I understand that. And it's also been stated that old people just don't give a rat's bottom about how they look. But I think wearing the track suit also makes him look like he's more in touch with his fighters as opposed to wearing an Armani suit and looking like a shady business man.

As far as comfort goes, nothing beats going commando sporting a muumuu.
Old, Bald and Irish- May 15, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Hmmm....where to begin....

Look, I really like watching EliteXC fights. They do a great job and I really like a lot of the fighters in their organization. They are actually the one fight organization that does a few things better than the UFC.

That being said, you'd think that someone at EliteXC would learn from the UFC's mistake of making Dana White the face of UFC management. Instead, we have the increasingly odd ramblings and logic of Shaw.

Shaw does not invoke confidence in the EliteXC organization. I really want EliteXC to be a successful alternative to the UFC. But with this guy out front, I have a bad feeling about EliteXC's future.

Where's Bas Rutten when you need him?

Oh, yeah....IFL....uhg.
Jeff- May 15, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Maybe this guy thinks that Dana's behavior is partly the reason for the UFC's success and he's trying to copy?
Kim Couture is a cunt- May 15, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Gary Shaw is the like the piece of dough in the middle of pizza, useless.