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He Said, He Said: The Rampage/Forrest Decision

“I might be a little biased because Forrest is a good friend and training partner, but in my opinion Forrest won the fight hands down, three rounds to two. He outworked him from beginning to end, and even though not everything he threw landed, at least he fought the whole time instead of just looking for one big shot. You know, Forrest trained hard for this fight and it showed. He was training in the gym everyday, not running around with a chain around his neck, telling people he’s a thug.” — Mac Danzig, to Sherdog

“Look…to me, Quinton beat Forrest, but they gave it to Forrest. I think the UFC wants a champion that Chuck Liddell can beat, so he can win the belt again. He is an ex-champion, sells more and has more marketing.” — Lyoto Machida, to Tatame

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grass fed beef- February 15, 2011 at 4:44 pm
When thieves fall out honest men come by their own.
XtraTrstrL- July 13, 2008 at 2:47 am
LMAO, if that is really Danzig commenting in here. Fighting Rampage would not only prove you're an idiot, it would probably put you out the fight game indefinitely, stupid turd.

Always opening your mouth to say dumb sh*t. Just shut up, train & fight in hopes to get a shot at BJ Penn, so you can lose already - bum.
Mac Danzig- July 10, 2008 at 2:29 am
Screw you guys. I not only take care of myself when it comes to diet but I read many books to constantly educate myself. Through this practice I have become more intelligent than you, making my opinion on the issue of Griffin vs Rampage the correct one. As I'm eating my veggie burger and sipping my soy milkshake I shake my exceptionally educated head in disgust at the idiocy of most fans of MMA. Rampage is not a thug but he plays one on TV. I'd be willing to fight him at a catch weight and prove to the MMA world that I have the brains and the skill to defeat him.
teachbug- July 8, 2008 at 10:37 pm
I appreciate the link to the junk yard dog, and yeah somones already told Rmpage about his chain reminding everyone about the dawg.....and rampage said " thats not a bad thing, I appreciate it, cause JYD was a great man, but when I howl its more about the wold, than the dog"
I loved JYD, he really was a great man, who just happened to wrassle'.
I have heard more than a few storys about him hugging crying children, and telling them to not worry, cause he was just funnin' he didnt REALLY hurt that other man.
Now back in the day when the marketing assholes were trying to pump "REALSPORT" down everyone throat, it was a job risk for JYD to tell those children the truth, but his heart was so big, and he was such a very nice nice man.
Sadly the dawg is no longer with us, but his presence and his love is instilled in others.
I was lucky enough to meet him one time, outside of his ring persona, and he was alot like Rampage, in his great sense of humor, but he was very soft spoken, and even though I was 17 at the time, he hugged me, and I told him how much I appreciated him entertaining so glad I got the chance to tell him how wonderful he was. :)
I hope that Rampage, as he gets older will emulate JYD, because Rampage can be a better person outside that ring, and I wish him the very best.

with that said, Forrest "beat that ass" :)
I wish Danzig wouldn't talk, he only opens his mouth and inserts both fucking feet, and I almost wish rampage would stomp his little hitler looking ass for him.
Procannonfodder- July 8, 2008 at 5:18 pm
I have a hard time listening to anything a guy with a unibrow says......
MOD- July 8, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Kim Couture is a cunt- July 8, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Mac Danzig is such a goof, and I'm not even a Rampage fan.
Mac Danzig- July 8, 2008 at 3:41 pm
I'm no tool! I'm just insecure! Besides, I talk shit about Rampage because we're in different weight classes! That thug can't get me!

Jonny Cinquo- July 8, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Lyoto Machida did FINISH Sokoudjou who i believe is atop 10 LHW. So I guess mod just doesn't know what he's talking about. Is giving one of the top 3 Light Heavies in the world any credit become so difficult because he brings a different i.e. Karate style than we are all accustomed to? IMO Lyoto Machida =top 3 LHW of the world right behind Jackson and griffin. The only person who should get a title shot ahead of Lyoto Machida is Rampage Jackson!!!! Get that in ya Keyboard warriors!!!
Anonymous- July 8, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Lyoto Machida did FINISH Sokoudjou who i believe is atop 10 LHW. So I guess mod just doesn't know what he's talking about. Is giving one of the top 3 Light Heavies in the world any credit become so difficult because he brings a different i.e. Karate style than we are all accustomed to? IMO Lyoto Machida =top 3 LHW of the world right behind Jackson and griffin. The only person who should get a title shot ahead of Lyoto Machida is Rampage Jackson!!!! Get that in ya Keyboard warriors!!!
Stephan' Boner- July 8, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Danzig' sense of humour is as bland/dry as his diet will be!
Jakey- July 8, 2008 at 2:15 pm
thanks . - The proper translation to machida is a less marketable headline! Missing out that sentence puts a different twist on what he said and now everybodys on his case for something he didnt mean!
crookshark- July 8, 2008 at 2:13 pm
who remembers the junk yard dog?

yeah baby. he was cool.
Vrax- July 8, 2008 at 2:11 pm
From the sherdog Translation thread:
I will go straight to the main point.

Machida said in portuguese:
"Olha, para mim o Quinton ganhou do Forrest, mas deram para o Forrest.
Acho que agora eles casam a luta com o Chuck Liddell para ele levar o título.
Acho que eles querem que o Liddell fique com o título, é um ex-campeão, tem mais marketing e vende mais”

wich translates in english to:

"Look, to me Quinton won (the fight against) Forrest, but they (the judges) gave (the decision victory) to Forrest.
And now I think that they will settle the (title) fight with Chuck Liddell (next) ,for him to take the title. I feel that they want Liddel to stay with the title (in the end), he is an ex-champion, he has more marketing and sells more"

He is not implying that UFC rigged the decision and gave the title to Forrest as the TS of the other thread made it look like.

Machida is just saying that he doesnt agree with the judges. Thats the first sentence.
THEN he proceeds to analize whats next based on the result of the fight!

He said that since Forrest won, they will likelly to give the next title shot to Chuck Liddell, for the obvious reasons: Chuck is an ex-champion, more popular, sells more.

Posted by "Interesting" on Sherdog.
Jim- July 8, 2008 at 2:10 pm
You idiots shouting "racist" need to learn the difference between racist and prejudice. EVERYONE is prejudiced to some degree or another and whether right or wrong, it is NOT the same as being racist. To be racist you have to fundamentally believe that one race is genetically superior to another. That is not what Danzig was saying. Shouting "racist" over things like this is what has completely diluted the real racism that goes on.... Oh, and Machida is a douche bag.
SiDeBuRnZ- July 8, 2008 at 1:55 pm
i doubt there will ever be a vegan champ in the UFC....
mod- July 8, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Machida is just pissed everyone hates him. I cant not wait to see this guys head kicked off. When he finishes a top ten he can talk on the UFC until then hes a fucking nobody to me. Tito of all people almost caught him in a triangle.
Hit and run piece of shit
Boneman- July 8, 2008 at 1:29 pm
I would much rather see Rampage with his chain, portraying the role of a FIGHTER, than Danzig running around acting like a tree-hugger with his bird house and vegan ways...Everything has it's place.

Machida is kind of right.....but G.Peon hits the nail on the head. There are enough LHW's now, that a fighter can be pitted against someone who's style is impossible to beat....The UFC knows this and will place opponents as needed to build up the hype for future events...

@ VEe.....
Your crazy if you think a judge can't be bought or influenced..!..I'm not saying this has happened in the UFC, but it is very possible....The Olympics has a commission also, and look what happened there...!
Dr.- July 8, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Look to Machida if we want a champ that will do JUST enough to get the decision win and retain the belt (if/when he's champ). FUCK THAT. He's not about finishing the fight regardless of what the record tells you. Only 3 TKOs and those were in K1??? 2 Subs and one of those is from K1?
Geriatric Peon- July 8, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Let's face the fact that most of the LHW's can and probably will be knocked out at any point by most of the other contending LHW's. With a division this stacked I wouldn't plan on seeing a champion make a run of more than 2 or 3 fights before he gets caught.
.- July 8, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Apparently, Machida's quote was translated into English wrong.
Aryan- July 8, 2008 at 1:07 pm
who the fuck cares what matt danzing says he's a fucking tool..go make out with a fuckin fly
VEe!- July 8, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Mac Danzig is probably not a racist, he simpply made an ignorant statement.

Machida like many MMA fans don't realize that the judges and referees are hired by the State Athletic Commissions. Dana White can not do anything about it nor influence the outcome of any regulated contest.

According to Big John McCarthy getting a job involves kissing ass, not skill, experience or knowledge.
shitwhistle- July 8, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Machida = conspiracy theorist
Plain old Kevin- July 8, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Used to like Danzig, but now I think he is a dick. Rampage does not really think he is a thug and if grumpy bitch Danzig does not know why he wears the chain then he should STFU! I am certain that Machida, Liddell, Irvin, Silva, Silva, Jardine etc. (I think you get the point) can beat Griffin. Machida hit the nail on the head with that comment. The UFC is like boxing if it goes to the judges.