(Props: MMA-Core)
Before the illegal downward elbow strikes that brought about his disqualification, Jon Jones first put Matt Hamill in real trouble with this leg trip takedown that turned the tide of the fight and, according to Hamill’s trainer, broke his left shoulder.
Hamill still fought on after that point and did a surprisingly good job, considering the injury, of defending against the onslaught from Jones that soon followed. That’s why you can’t really argue that it was the takedown and not the elbows that ended the fight. What you could argue, however, is that Hamill got a lucky break when the illegal blows gave the ref a chance to take a look at him and conclude that he was in no position to continue fighting. Odds are things would have only gotten worse for him, and they were already pretty damn bad.
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Sun, 12/06/09 - 09:57
First! I like Hamill, but he was getting dominated in this fight, good stoppage but Hamill was done for regardless,
Sun, 12/06/09 - 09:58
ROCK BOTTOM! ROCK BOTTOM!
Sun, 12/06/09 - 10:01
Leg trip? That's an osoto gare, this kid take Judo or what? The limbs on this Jones guy are insane. Great take down, but hey, can't throw that "ice breaker" elbow.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 10:07
I feel bad for Hamill for eating those elbows but he really should have quit when his shoulder got broken. I agree with Jones getting DQ'd but I really want to see his next fight. I think Jones has a bright future.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 10:19
Looks like a leg trip.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 10:34
Sully- If you watch the technique lists of Roman-Grecco wrestling & Judo they are very very similar. & as far as the elbow... Maybe Jones wouldn't have time to think of a new kind of elbow to throw if Mazzigwhothefuckcareshowthisassholesnameisspelled had stopped the fight on one of the three previous logical ending points; Like where Jones was pounding Hamil's face into the mat with limited response from mount, or when Hamil stopped moving as much & Jones literally looked at the Mazzwhore like "are you really making me do this?" and then there's the 4 legal, elbows he landed right before the 2 illegal ones. I bet you Hamil will be feeling this 'win' for at least 6 months.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 10:35
@MostDiabolical Followed by the "peoples elbow"
Sun, 12/06/09 - 10:38
I have no praise for a young cheating whore who can't learn the finest point of control in his martial arts. His black belt should be removed in every single discipline, he is a blemish.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 10:42
So now I have to add 12-6 elbows to my list of things that make people a whore? Lighten up man. He said himself he did something illegal and deserved to lose the fight. I'm also pretty sure there is no black belt to remove.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 10:53
Major win for the loser! Jon Jones will go far in the UFC. Awesome performance up until the DQ.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 10:57
The fight should have been stopped well before that point, Hamill wasn't defending himself as soon as he was taken down. This isn't a quilting competition it is a fight, and according to Mr. Miagi the only thing belts are good for is holding your pants up.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 11:03
I'm not usually one to toot my own horn as it were, but I think I'm gonna go ahead and say that I basically called this one. I had to go like 8 pages back to fight my post, on the Jon Jones Fight Mag Story CP post but here it is: ------- steampunk22 Says: Mon, 11/30/2009 - 11:46 So this mystical barn in the backwoods on New York is where they teach spinning-elbows-to-the-back-of-the-head-which-is-totally-illegal-but-Jones-throws-them-so-fast-that-they-dont-stop-the-fight-or-even-warn-him-even-claiming-later-that-it-is-accidental-even-though-he-throws-them-in-every-freakin-fight? Sweet! I like this kid I think he's got a lot of potential to go real deep in the division, but the back of the head strikes, however flashly and street-fighter-esque in their awesomeness are pretty fucking dodgy and I hope he cleans up his striking in that regard because he's gonna KO someone that way and its gonna be all sorts of controversial. That being said, I hope he works Hamill over, I like Bones Jones. --------- So what do you say Ben's? Wanna score me a shirt for this one? Looks like Ajax has got the T-shirt contest in the bag, we'll just call this a consolation prize. :P Now I have to go and watch the Nelson/Shcaub fight because anyone living on my street last night lost power a between 9-930.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 11:26
I agree with the posters on here who have basically said that Jones is just so hyper creative with making up unusual strikes on the spot that it just got away from him for those few secs. That style is gonna be his strength and the skill that takes him to contendership and possibly the strap. Now he will also have to develop a complementing skill for corralling that high flying violence within boundaries. But he seems like a humble and intelligent guy (which will always offend MTV types), so I'll bet he's well aware of what he's got to fix and is working on it as we speak. BTW @ ufcfan, you've got a potty mouth little boy.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 11:46
@UFC fan Nobody likes you and you're always wrong. Go flame up some other forum. Other than that, its too bad about Jones' DQ. He's a wonderful fighter. There are only a couple of LHWs I can see beating this guy when he's on his game.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 11:59
Sorry guys I just saw something from an earlier post that needs addressing. 831 Son Says:Fri, 12/04/2009 - 22:57 Uhhhh NO. Penn clearly beat Kenflo, the whole time leading up to the rear naked choke. What the hell were you watching? -------------------------------------------- After rereading my comment I could see how my wording might have been confusing. What I meant was that because of Joe Rogan's commentary, if you wouldn't have been watching the actual broadcast and had only been listening to said commentary, say maybe if you were blind or watching the fights with a fat guy in a tall hat sitting in front of you, then you would have been led to believe that Florian was actually winning the match. Rogan is too much of a fan at times.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 12:42
@Steampunk Damn, yell it from the roof top, son. You gonna post this in all the threads? Just playing. You called it, for sure. I hope the Bens award you a snazzy shirt. @UFC Fan Clever of you to remove the n-word from this post. Why call undue negative attention to your inane ramblings, right? exes.for.iballs is right. You should give us all a break from your worthless posts. I mean, now that Curt Sample is back, you don't need to stick around as our token moron. Take a break. You've earned it.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 12:45
^^lol I posted it in this one and then I realized that a better post would've been in the actual elbow strike gif CP post but I didnt see it until after ;P Also, rofl at the token moron comment!!
Sun, 12/06/09 - 01:01
@exes.for.iballs- a little late, don't you think bro? I get your point though. @ UFC fan- Complete FAIL as usual. You suck at everything and as someone else said, you are ALWAYS wrong. @Steampunk22- Very nice call. Id say that deserves a little golf clap at the least. Cant wait to see Jon Jones back in the octagon though. Oh and that rule for the elbow strikes is completely ridiculous . That needs to be changed- ASAP.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 01:32
I guess this win by DQ makes up for the horseshit decision he lost to Bisping. Hopefully Hamill comes back and heals fast. I don't know how anyone can have anything bad to say about the guy. Jones is a class act too. I didn't want either guy to lose this fight, let alone get broken.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 02:35
This site sure would be a lot better if UFC fan died.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 02:50
Hamill got beat the fuck up.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 02:57
@steampunk Those elbows to the back of the head weren't intentional either, the opponents ducked when he threw it, its not his fault. Blows to the back of the head happen all the time If u want an example i will give you a fairly recent one. Jose aldo hit mike brown with punches to the back of the head to win his belt, and Mike brown hit Urijah faber in the back of the head to win the belt.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 03:13
"takedowns can't end a fight" is the new "leg kicks can't end a fight"
Sun, 12/06/09 - 03:16
my 2 cents: 1. the argument that hamill was "intelligently" defending himself walst getting his face pounded was nonsense. 2. the fact that S&M(steve mazzagatti, he seems to like making these questionable calls, thus instilling us with irl troll pain and enjoying all this negative attention on himself) should have ruled this a no contest immediately after the elbows and didnt is bull. 3. hamill was done. the call to end the fight was VERY late. if lesnar can get a stoppage by spamming a not very damaging barrage of hammerfists on couture, why can't mr. jones get a stoppage for OBVIOUSLY turning mr. hamill's nose into hamburger before throwing illegal elbows? some sort of reform within the refereeing of mma needs to happen. the lack of consistency with calls as of late is ruining the events(ZOMG SCOTT COKER PAYING OFF NAC CONSIPIRACY?). i find it bullshit that the most experienced and respected ref in the sport is on standby while these jokers continue to have work. god i miss big john. BUT, before rubbing more of a mix of salt and lemon juice on my burning wounds, there is a ray of relief and goodness that washed off all my hurt amongst all this. jon jones. he was spectacular. every fight he progresses he never ceases to impress how he decimates his opponent. this man is the second coming of shogun, hell, i think bones is better at 22 than shogun was at this age(oh god don't flame me for this). i think he deserves a step up in competition.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 04:14
^^The argument I think is that he WAS intelligently defending himself, he was just still taking damage and a fair amount of it came from the two final elbows, the first of which was the one that opened the gash on his noise, and both of which caused the blood to pool in his eyes. You can see the first elbow wreck his nose when Jones dropped it. I think it was ARGUABLY a late call, but Hamill was by no means knocked out, or even all that close, he WAS taking damage, but still defending. Many a fighter has rallied, and at no point was Hamill rocked, he was still moving albeit less and less effectively, and he was probably not going to get up, but he wasnt "out" out. Its no excuse for Jones to get sloppy like that. I fuckin LOVE Bones Jones and I think he is going to be a force to be reckoned with for a long time in the UFC and he's got a seriously bright future, but this sort of shit is wreckless and he cost himself the fight. He WAS winning, he WAS dominating the fight, he WAS going to win. But he made a shitty mistake, and there you go, pay the price. Its mixed martial arts and there are some rules. It fuckin sucks and in my mind he still won the fight, but he's got to be a little smarter than THAT. @endocat I agree there was some questionable strikes that were pretty intentional in those fights. I know that Jones doesn't throw them with the intent to hit the back of the head, that was my point, that he throws them in situations were he is FREQUENTLY landing questionable strikes due to the nature OF the strike. It was just a matter of time before he landed one and got called for it, and well, here we are, less than a week later.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 04:17
^^King Steve Strongly agree with the step-up in competition comment. I think he proved that he can hang with the big boys and he should get a top 10 LHW match next. Maybe the loser of Thiago Silva and Rashad Evans or something, someone who will really test him. He hasn't had too much in the way of competition so far, although he walked through Hamill a lot easier than a lot of people thought he would. I say give him a top 10 LHW and see how he does.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 04:22
Hamil was getting his ass kicked all round. Bones broke Hamil's shoulder and his nose within the first few minutes of the fight--that's some vicious shit. Jon Jones is a monster; Hamil is almost lucky those illegal elbows happened, as it resulted in the end of the beat-down. It looked like Mazagatti was going to let Hamil take quite a mighty ass whooping until the illegal blows provoked the "time out". Before the last illegal elbows, Bones had been smashing the hell out of Hamil's face and skull. When Hamil's struggling grew slower and more sluggish and Jones looked up at Mazagatti, I somehow knew that the fight was about to get a lot more brutal. And it allowed Hamil to go home with another W on his record, although it is a totally bogus, hollow victory. Hamil got squashed.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 04:24
Nevada Athletic Commission: "If the intentional foul causes damage that leads to the stoppage of the fight, it will result in a disqualification regardless of what round it happens it." Jones was not going to be disqualified up until they checked the instant replay: "If the elbows did not land, lets say they landed on the top of the head or the forehead and did NOT cause the cuts in whole or in part thats, he stopped the fight and it would've been a TKO" MMATKO has a video of Keith Kizer (of the NAC) explaining the ruling, its like 2mins or whatever but he explains it well.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 05:37
awwww shucks nobody likes me? gee that hurts. cry some more pussy's, I love it. And I didn't remove the facdt I called him a stupid nigger, maybe the Ben's did for me, who knows, who cares, it is what it is. And he is what he is, and he fucking lost and that makes me happy, you bitches can hate me all you want, it wont change the fact his cheating no control niggered up ass lost. Good for me, sad for you guys I guess. waaaaa cry me a river.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 06:09
**Hamill's shoulder was separated, not broken (according to NAC), if anyone cares. ;P
Sun, 12/06/09 - 06:21
@831son Better late than never. I think that's also mazzigottis motto.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 06:24
UFC fan's Troll Rating for this post: 4/10 ALMOST managed to use proper grammar, but resorting to racial slurs lost him points. His e-penis has now been downgraded from extra small to microscopic. Good effort little guy!
Sun, 12/06/09 - 07:36
yeah...bones is ridiculous. smart fighter as well. dude should be given a big name opponent.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 08:01
Jones won the fight, DQ or no. Anyone who was watching it could see that Hamill was done for by the time Jones mounted him. Overall, that was the
Sun, 12/06/09 - 08:05
worst UFC event I've ever seen. Kimbo is popular, but his gas tank sucks and there was no killer instinct. Nelson needs to have a guy Carwin or Velasquez dismantle him, then he can go and slam down 11 Whoppers and a big gulp in the recovery room. Matt Mitrione is a shit stain. The 2 fights worth seeing were Frankie Edgar's and Mark Bocek's. Two righteous victories by two talented fighters, and the only entertainment value in that whole sorry production. There will be no comments to follow, from anyone (unless you're backing up something I said, then it's ok.)
Sun, 12/06/09 - 08:20
@ steampunk "If the intentional foul causes damage that leads to the stoppage of the fight, it will result in a disqualification regardless of what round it happens it." Jones was not going to be disqualified up until they checked the instant replay: the damage that caused the fight to be stopped is in the above gif, not the elbows. Matt had his nose busted BEFORE the illegal elbows, so the illegal blows didn't cause the end of the fight. also shots to the back of the head always happen, its part of the sport, and it doesn't help that the referee's aren't always consistent with warnings. to single out Jon jones is unfair, the only reason his stick out (thats what she said) is because when he does do it its in spectacular, you will remember fashion.
Sun, 12/06/09 - 10:33
^^Yeah thats what I'm saying, because he has that 'flashy' style, I wouldnt be surprised if he was made into something of an example for the rest of the fighters. The illegal blows DID cause the end of the fight because that was when Mazzagatti stepped in. Regardless of whether or not Hamill couldnt fight because of his shoulder, that was not apparent at the time of the stoppage, no one knew his shoulder was fucked until the fight was already over. It is also clear that the downward elbows, the three final strikes of the fight, were the strikes that opened up a deep and jagged gash on Hamill's nose, this was confirmed with instant replay and confirmed by the NAC's Kizer after the fight. Hamill was asked if he could go on, he stated that he could not, the strikes that led to the stoppage were illegal, so the disqualification is justified. Do I think they should change the rules? Possibly. Is the ruling of this fight inline with the Unified Rules of Mixed Martial Arts? You betcha. Something like this was kind of a long time coming. Jones got caught, like I said, because he consistently throws flashy and technical strkes every fight, almost every round and it was just a matter of time. I'm not surprised that he got busted for downward elbow strikes like this as opposed to a more "accidental" back of the head strike. Purely intentional, and absolutely a foul. And the downward elbows are pretty rare, because most fighters know better. Really you almost never see downward elbows like this. I like Jones and I hope he learns from this. I'm sure he will. And he's gonna come out a better fighter. PS. 10 points for the Thats What She Said. :)
Sun, 12/06/09 - 11:54
"NSACs Keith Kizer explains to MMAJunkie.com the decision to DQ Jon Jones at The Ultimate Fighter 10 Finale due to illegal elbows to the face of Matt Hamill: Kizer said despite the numerous legal blows that came in the barrage - as many as 85 depending on who's counting - the fact that the illegal blows were shown to have caused the damage meant disqualification was the only proper call. "At the end of the day, you have the illegal elbows that cut [Hamill] up, and that's why it was stopped," Kizer told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "The only call you can make in that situation is a disqualification. "Because there was definitely some damage done by lawful elbows, it was difficult to determine what caused what until he saw the instant replay. Then it was very easy. It would have been a tough call for him without the instant replay just due to the good strikes that preceded the illegal blows. That's why we added it." what douchebags like arastmaus, and 831 son, and headswillroll, and exes.for.iballs need to learn is that I am always right, and they are always emotional douchebags with to much pussy in them to understand what it takes to man up.
Mon, 12/07/09 - 04:48
"That's why you can't really argue that it was the takedown and not the elbows that ended the fight." That logic is kind of retarded. That's like saying Cory Hill's leg being snapped like a twig wasn't really a factor because you could clearly see him defending himself and even going for a kimura from the bottom. Just because he was able to slightly defend himself with a broken shoulder doesn't mean that it didn't affect the outcome. If he was doing that well with a broken shoulder he would probably have been able to do a lot more without it.
Mon, 12/07/09 - 05:19
still impressed with bones. girly lower body and all.
Mon, 12/07/09 - 06:00
@ UFC fan Really, how does the dirt taste in the bottom of that hole your digging, will you ever learn not to open your cockholster?
Mon, 12/07/09 - 06:02
Arastmaus Says: Sun, 12/06/2009 - 18:24 UFC fan's Troll Rating for this post: 4/10 ALMOST managed to use proper grammar, but resorting to racial slurs lost him points. His e-penis has now been downgraded from extra small to microscopic. Good effort little guy! Good shit, but you forgot the e-penis in mouth index it is up to Ron Jeremy
Mon, 12/07/09 - 06:28
I would love to fight UFC fan.
Mon, 12/07/09 - 06:51
No fighting just strait to death with him
Mon, 12/07/09 - 10:52
clinch-smash what is your desire about my dick? you talk more about my dick than anything else. listen, you either bend down and start sucking right now or find another way to express yourself you worm. You got a hard-on for me or what?
Tue, 12/08/09 - 12:08
@ UFC fan never defending the stupid, all you can do is pick out Dick and roll with it.
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