Here’s how I know I’m right about certain things: Bill O’Reilly disagrees with me. I know that sounds like a simplistic world view, but it’s held up remarkably well thus far. Things I believe in — supporting my arguments with logic or facts, treating those who disagree with me with dignity and respect — he is solidly against. That’s fine with me.
I don’t mean to mix politics with MMA. To me, Bill O’Reilly isn’t even representative of a political view so much as a demographic one. You know who likes O’Reilly, who really thinks that he’s expressing an honest viewpoint and not just ranting about whatever he thinks will drum up ratings? Old people. The guy who’s always yelling at people to stay off his lawn, he looooves Bill O’Reilly.
That’s why it doesn’t surprise me to see O’Reilly once again going after MMA with the same inane arguments. Apparently, MMA on TV is a sign that our society is failing, that we’ve become the Roman Empire, etc. Again, this isn’t a political stance, but it does seem to be consistent with a certain age group. Is it possible that old people, for whatever reason, will just never get MMA?
In a way, that seems strange to me. Look at boxing. Look at any sport, really. Your grandfather is more likely to tell you what a bunch of sissies pro athletes are today than he is to complain about anything being too violent. The stories about Ty Cobb sharpening his cleats, the brawling sixties and seventies in the NBA, the naked brutality of turn-of-the-century boxing — these get held up as signs of the good old days.
So why is MMA — which is statistically safer than boxing — such a popular target?
The easy answer is, it’s new. The same way your grandfather isn’t going to waste his time figuring out the internet, he isn’t interested in hearing about the intricacies of the ground game. It’s in a cage, there’s blood (P.S. anti-blood is a strange stance for a pro-war hawk like O’Reilly, no?), and he’s never seen anything like it on CBS before.
Of course, there are exceptions to the rule, but this seems fairly consistent. It just seems so counterintuitive. Since when are old people opposed to violent sports? And how can you possibly make a connection between a sport that’s no more dangerous than boxing or football and the destruction of society?
The gladiator analogy obviously doesn’t hold up, because gladiators were slaves and they often fought to the death. Not to mention, for all you history buffs, the Romans didn’t somehow discover gladiatorial combat a few years before the destruction of their empire. They didn’t discover it at all. They learned it. It was a fairly common practice, and they weren’t the only ones who enjoyed it. It went in and out of fashion, but the Romans had a pretty good run even while engaging in it.
My point is, there’s no reason to even argue this stuff with people like O’Reilly. Just like there’s no point in trying to convince my dad that punk music is awesome. It isn’t going to work. If anything, we should just remember that these arguments against MMA don’t come from any rational point of view. They come from the same reactionary stance that hates new-fangled ideas.
My grandfather’s not about to start text-messaging, and people like O’Reilly aren’t going to get MMA. That’s the way the world is, I suppose. It’s just shame those people get to have TV shows and run the government.
(-Ben Fowlkes)








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commentsI don't even need to blow holes in his tissue paper argument about the comparison with boxing. Not worth the time or energy. What is worth the energy is laughing at this moron.
Bill, you make a funny show and the best is that you're actually trying to not be a comedy. You've legitimized stupidity. Congrats.
And just to add, their generation was sooo much better than ours right? Free sex, drugs, protesting everything. Maybe if you'd of been taking care of your kids instead of doing every line put in front of your face the preceeding generations wouldn't have "fallen" as far as they did.
And let's face it, old white (and yes I can say white since I am too) political men (for the most part) just want to ruin everything that they slightly dislike.
And just to add, their generation was sooo much better than ours right? Free sex, drugs, protesting everything. Maybe if you'd of been taking care of your kids instead of doing every line put in front of your face the preceeding generations wouldn't have "fallen" as far as they did.
And let's face it, old white (and yes I can say white since I am too) political white men (for the most part) just want to ruin everything that they slightly dislike.
How can you defend someone who is spreading propoganda and shitty journalism? I sure as hell wouldn't get on TV and presume to speak about a subject I knew dick about.
Love MMA or hate it you won't stop it. I have done football, baseball, wrestling, and now MMA and I can tell you MMA is much more athletically challenging than any other sport, it's also much safer. And to say that pro wrestling, which features men who still, no matter what you say whether it is real or fake, display violence on television (throwing men through tables, hitting them with chairs) and still bleed, albeit they cut themselves (btw try explaining to an 8 year old that that is fake), is less violent than MMA is insane! You must be smoking meth, it still displays violence, much more violence than MMA does.
It's not surprising those views are the same ones of the old men who have run this country into the ground lately (woo hoo repubs!)
The only light of hope in all of this is that THAT generation is dying off, in another 20 years we won't have to put up with them.
Dont ever listen to Bill O'reilly unless its this movie please.
Well do it live.
Yeah MMA really dumbs down society, all shows should be like Desperate Housewives and etc. they really teach America valuables.
I challenge Bill O'Reilly to a cage match. gimme some "Here Here's"
It is much easier to blame popular culture than corrupt Republicans or their disorganzied corrupt Democratic counterparts. Democrats are so disorganized that they can't even attempt to impeach Bush. Clinton nearly got impeached over cheating on his wife. If cheating on your wife is a major crime, then they are going to have to build a great many more prisons.
Mark Foley (Republican internet Czar, supposed to protect minors from sexual deviants on the web), got caught multiple times trying to get into the beds of young male teen staffers in DC. (The Republicans warned the young male interns to be wary of Mr. Foley.) He was caught sending electronic messages to young boys, trying to get a booty call. It is bad enough that he is a pedophile, but his political task was to protect the very same children.
The Democrats are totally worthless. They can't even stand up to a propaganda network like Fox. If you were to call a MMA fighter a "Halfrican American"; I'd expect security would throw you our of the arena. (Halfrican American is a term used on Fox.)
I have to agree with the general consensus that boxing is more deadly than MMA. MMA has better refs (safety for fighters is paramount), far fewer head shots, only one knockout shot (ref calls the fight, if man can't defend self.) and it acceptable to tap out. There is no overwhelming shame with throwing in the towel. MMA is a fantastic sport, with a safety record that is nearly impossible to beat.
Sorry for the long post. Three things really get my blood boiling, racists, pedophiles and Fox news. If Fox news hired a racist pedophile, then my freaking head would probably explode.
First off, I ocasionally watch Mr. O'Reilly.
C'mon, he's Irish! Lighten up! Of course he's gonna mouth off on his opion and he's hot under the collar. HE'S IRISH!
Jeez...one of these days, people will realize exactly why we have "stereotypes".....
Anyways, O'Reilly can stick his rant against MMA waaaaay up his shiny ass. If that's his opinion: who cares. Opinions are like assholes: everybody's got one. So who gives a damn if that's how he feels. Move on and don't sweat it.
Can the whole "don't like MMA" be generational? I'm not sure if it's that easy. There are a lot of people much younger than I who just don't get the "whole MMA thing".
On the other hand, I roll with housewives in their mid-thirties who think MMA rocks. One of them is even hosting the latest "Fight Night" Saturday for the UFC event. I roll with guys closing in on fifty and they live to spar and grapple.
I actually think that it comes down to knowledge of the sport. It's not as easy to pick up the purpose and nuiance of the action. To a casual observer who knows nothing about BJJ or the martial arts, I'm sure it seems quite barbaric. but once you understand the sport, the outlook changes. Sports like baseball, soccer and football are pretty straight forward. Yes, there are fine points to the rules, but overall, its easy to comprehend the purpose of the sport. When was the last time you were sitting watching a baseball game and someone said "I have no fucking idea what's going on"? Not likely. The purpose of the sport is self evident. MMA requires knowledge to really understand the sport. When people compare MMA to boxing, they think it's apples to apples. That couldn't be farther from the truth. I'm not knocking boxing, it's just a little more "straight-forward" sport than MMA.
MMa is more like horse racing. Do the horses run around the track to win? Yes. Do guys beat each other up in MMA to win? Yes. Are either that simply described? Certainly not. The fine-points in both sports are what make it special. Unfortunately, these fine points are lost on the casual viewer.
To sum up: I think it's not so much generational as it is knowledge of the sport. People will quickly knock that which they don't understand.
And if you want to see some real physical brutality, tune in to any football game. People just accept that a blown ACL is part of the game. Those same folks grimace at the sight of blood on a fighters face.
Gimme a break...
Bill is a douche.
Ben, instead of bitching about O'Reilly's segment and leaving it at that, how about you contact his people and see if they'll have you on the show. Contrary to what you might think, O'Reilly has people on the show ALL THE TIME that disagree with him, although you wouldn't know it from that clip. If people learn that MMA isn't the modern day version of a gladiator death match, we might actually get a few more converts and a few less haters.
I didn't use to be an MMA fan because I honestly thought it wasn't much more than a street fight. A friend of mine started telling me about it and I realized that there was so much more to the sport than I thought. A year and a half later and I'm a diehard fan. See, that wasn't so hard now, was it?
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