There wont be some stupid ass round robin of heavyweights, this isn't a baseball game, its UFC.
carwin will beat Mir with ease, and roll right back into the " only heavyweight deserving a title shot" role once again.

as a sidenote, how funny, some dumbass has decided to be 831-father, and it pisses 831 son off....gotta love it!, ha.

Wait a minute - Cain took Kongo's best shots and still ground and pounded him to hamburger. He beat him up - after he took his best shots. Then the UFC brought in Rothwell who they thought was a better product than Kongo and Cain destroyed him. Cain gets dicked out of opportunities REGULARLY.
Mir wisely wanted no part of Kongo's striking and correctly executed his game plan.
Every one is infatuated with Carwin's size but really he isnt NEARLY as athletic as Lesnar - Mir will expose this, Cain would have exposed this and Gonzaga clearly exposed this right before he went to sleep (just because you win a fight doesnt mean some weakness of your game doesnt get exposed).
And lets not forget that after all this - Lesnar needs at least two tune-up fights before he gets back up to speed. Diverticulitis aint no joke.
Mir can be obsessed all he wants - he would have his hands full in a second Nog fight.
Although I have to admit I'd love to see him KTFO of Lesnar upon his successfull return to health.

You are describing what all ready exists.

It isnt a Grand Prix type format unless the fights come back to back, same night, or within maybe two days or a weekend or something.

You are essentially saying; The UFC should be organized in such a way that the top fighters in the heavyweight division pair off and fight one on one, and the winners of two of these fights, they can fight EACH OTHER, like, three months later. And then, get this, another set of these fights will happen, and then THOSE two winners can fight, see? And then the top two, they can fight each other, and the winner gets the belt! Amazing! I can't believe the UFC never thought of this.

Wait, every promotion has thought of this, forever.

You realize that is basically what happens normally right?

You also realize that a proper grand prix a la Pride or Dream is never going to happen in the UFC, this kind of tournament is not necessary within the UFC as things basically work out well enough anyways and it means REVERTING to a style of organization that the UFC has been trying to move away from for the last ten years. A completely unrealistic suggestion that is not well thought out in the least.

Back to Japan you sandal wearing goldfish-tender!

No offense.
;P

Fuck, Dana should just go to a grand prix type format, build some interest and some suspense into that weight class. Dos Santos, Mir, Gonzaga, Valasquez, Noguiera, Nelson, Carwin and Duffee....Have an 8 man tournament pan out over 9 months, three months in between events. THEN you can crown an interim champ at the end of the tourney just in time for Brock to be back and make his way back up. Shit, Im all for every other year have a grand pix style format in every weight class. Then an occasional loss wouldnt be so detrimental to these fighters

Nobody is getting shafted, this is the best match in a long time. I like both of them but I'd have to give Mir the advantage in this one. For everyone who says Mir gets special treatment I call bullshit, Slice gets special treatment, Lesnar got special treatment. Remember Mir lost his original title to a car....that's right a fucking automobile and if you remember there was no interim title lets wait for Frank to get better bullshit after about a year he was stripped of the title so in my opinion he deserves a few more chances.

^^^Too lazy to for proper ideas.

Cain didn't "smoke" Kongo. Kongo dropped him 3 times, and Cain grinded out a decision after he couldnt finish Kongo. Let me repeat that. He couldn't finish KONGO.

Mir choked out Kongo in a little over a minute. That, my friend, is NOT the same thing. Mir rightfully gets a shot before Cain.

Plus the UFC wants Cain and Nog to fight.

Fuck eh? So hard done by, some people.

Occasionally the UFC actually knows what they are doing, you realize?

too lazy for proper English.

^^^ BAHAHA.

Maybe he is back in "school mode".

;P

Wow Cain Shafted again... first they dont let the true tied #1 contenders Cain and Carin fight... Cain smokes Kango... mir smokes kango months later.... and mir gets another shot... i love the UFC but this is a joke.

TylerDyrden you are suspiciously quiet on this one...

interesting point of view. i wanna see mir vs carwin for the following reason: i really wanted to see carwin vs lesnar, since they're both manufactured from the same prototype. that match would show me if either one deserves the hype that he carries. now, mir vs. carwin = the next best thing to mir vs. lesnar, since we've all seen that drama twice already.
now, if mir defeats carwin, then he might very well be the big threat to lesnar that he's been working to be.

@ Mex

It'll be something like this.

Mir: I can beat Carwin several ways. He'll never be the same after fighting me. Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar, LESNAR!!!

Carwin: Using an advanced parallel triangulation algorithm, I've determined that Frank only has a 15% chance of subverting my takedown defense. Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar, LESNAR!!!

Dana White: fuck fuck fuck fuck pussy fuck shit screw Strikeforce Tito Ortiz vs. Chuck Liddell III

I can't wait to see the hype promos these two cut. It will literally be the most self-righteous, arrogant bullshit ever caught on film.

interm champ or #1 contender.. pretty much the same thing.. but which title would u rather have?

yeah, thats pretty awesome u have groupies on an mma site 831.

@ 831 Father- Change your name you fucking dumb ass troll.

Interim belts do not make any sense whatsoever. Im down to see Carwin and Mir fight but for an interim belt is just retarded. Interim belts do not hold any significance and DO NOT define the holder as a champ. I dont see why they just cant fight to see whos next for Brock. Interim Belts are just like UFC fan and this idiot 831 Father (member for 4 hours...) : Worthless.

@ Clinch-Smash

Amen

@ Harry Sack

Fucking spit out coffee at #8.

Don't forget that Mir DID rock Brock at the beginning of round 2 in the 2nd fight. Mir's hands are improving at a rapid pace and I think Carwin's in for it. I heard Mir say he rocked Brock (radio interview) and yelled "BULLSHIT!" then went home and watched again. Mir got hands, he should have stayed on his feet instead of going for a bullshit knee. Mir won't do that against Carwin, and Carwin will lose. Too bad.

ten things we all learned from this post
1. Talk mad shit to your desired next opponent via twitter or the web and it weighs far more heavily than your win / loss record in determining whom you fight next.
2. In that same vein: Dana White/Joe Silva loves dem some shit talk, Mir knows this and consistently uses it to his advantage
3. Carwin is about to get exposed and we will still really learn nothing about Mir or his readiness for a Lesnar rubber match
4. Velasquez has been, is, and will continue to be, getting shit on by DW and Joe Silva - they are keeping him in their back pocket for later and are pretty much dare-ing a MF to say something about it.
5. A Tournament would instantly smash any credibility that Strikeforce could claim to have in its heavyweight division (I mean they have Fedor, and ...?). Clearly exposing all of its HWs to their fanbase and settling their 'top dog' all at the same time would destroy any other organizations claims of offering a comparable product because nobody else can battle test their stable of HWs like that.
6. It's too brilliant an idea (tourney) for UFC to capitalize on because their cards have been getting watered down (108 excluded - I'm not counting disease and injury) and they need the probability of a heavyweight KO on future cards to keep things from getting too dicey.
7. Dufee is the true darkhorse here because he is the unknown - a few more early KO's (Nelson, Kongo, Struve, Buenetello, who cares) and he will be an even more intriguing darkhorse.
8. Your mom likes it in the backdoor
9. Nog is a legend and - no longer a title threat, period. Gatekeeper status for real.
10. Kimbo vs. Toney and Bob Sapp at the same time is looking more and more attractive every day.

Exciting news. I got mir in this one. He can end carwin anywhere.



But big nog will always be champ in my heart.

@ReX13

Got it. Still learning who is who around here.

I LOL'd at your @whitey. You guys need to Thunderdome for rights to the Thunderdome.

@macreadysshack

Sorry forgot to include the /sarcasm tag after the "fedor is afraid" remark. i completely agree with you that Fedor is unafraid to fight or lose, and genuinely enjoys the competition. Why else go back to the Sambo tournaments in Russia every year if not for the competition?

@whitey

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Alright, enough with Carwin already.......He has beat only one heavyweight(barely top five in the class) that is still in the UFC! He beat guys like Sherman Pendergast, who coincidentally recently lost to Houston Alexander outside of the UFC.
Carwin is not even at Brett Rogers level in my books, but this is what happens when promotions try to build stars in a weak division like the UFC had with the heavyweights in the past year. I don't hate Carwin, but I just don't see the guy being there with Mir in this fight, he will not catch Mir on the feet, nor will he submit Mir.....might see a carbon copy of Kongo v. Mir in this one, Carwin leaves his chin exposed(his whole "my skull is thicker than an average human") won't mean much when he gets startled again and has a guy(Mir not Gonzaga) who knows what to do afterwards.

Two words for Brock.
BACK - FAT !!!

@Whitey: Holy crap, man, I hope that actually happens. Tomato can or not, Congo will demolish Kimbo. One Kongo leg kick = 10 H. Alexander LKs. I don't think they'll do it because Kimbo's tricky knee won't hold up.

What IS next for Kimbo? They need a big name that's not very good. Patrick Smith could do it. Vladmir Matushenko is good but getting long in the tooth. He has SOME name recognition. Hardonk would've been a good choice because he's been around recently. Actually, Bonnar might like this fight. Street dawg VS American Psycho could sell to amnesiacs and retards and I know the UFC likes to cater to that demographic.

ya i seen the fight.. brock hit him in the back of the head. it is illegal, sure mazzagatti coulda handled it a little better, but that is in the ufc's rules to stand them both up, but then again there should be NO warnings. did jon jones get a warning? maybe if he learned a lil more technique before his first fight.. his masturbation punches woulda been a little more accurate.

I love the people that think Carwin should get a shot over Mir, or that Mir is somehow an inferior fighter, with less cred. Carwin fans are rapidly becoming the biggest nut huggers in MMA and not many people are really willing to speak the unpopular opinion that perhaps Carwin is overrated.

Carwin has only beat 1 heavyweight ranked in the top 50 in his career, whereas in the last 2 years Mir has beat Lesnar, Big Nog, and Kongo. Granted he lost to Lesnar the second time around but he also made all three of those victories look easy. Carwin has not been tested against any top opponents yet. Mir is ranked #3 in the world right now and has fought proven opponents. I hope that he wins to be honest.

Shane Carwin, with this one fight, is either going to prove a lot of people right in that he deserves to be at the top of the heap in the Heavyweight division, or he is going to deafen the ears of a million Shane Carwin nuthuggers with the sound of a million bubbles being burst.

It could go either way but you have to give a slight edge to Mir.

Holy FUCK am I ever curious to see how this one turns out.

actually i think i started the thunderdome ppv idea, but who cares.
throw congo against kimbo in there too and maybe we can see how the alexander fight was supposed to go down

@ReX13

All well and good until this, "Either he really does turn out to be as dominant as he's looked, or we find the guy that everyone just knows Fedor is scared to come to the UFC to fight."

I don't know that Fedor is scared to fight Lesnar. I would venture to say that Fedor isn't afraid to fight anybody. I don't think Fedor is even afraid to lose. Obviously, M1 is afraid that Fedor might lose at some point because it would detract value from their cash cow. I think Fedor is not just a professional, he's a true martial artist who enjoys taking risks and testing himself against whatever challenge he can scare up. I don't consider myself a NH at all, either. I'm just going off my observations of him, the things he says and the way he fights. I don't think he minds losing or taking a beating, or rather, he MINDS it - he doesn't WANT that but he's willing to risk it to challenge himself.

M1, on the other hand, may be trying to protect him. Of course they would, right? Promoters suck ass and that's nothing new.

@ BobLoblaw and meanfinger

To be fair, i believe mean was the first one to post the idea on CP, but we can't be the only ones who feel this way.

As for including Kongo--agreed, he's pretty much the UFC tomato can. I originally was typing out every guy in the division, including Duffee and Pat Barry, then edited down to a "realistic" pool. Somehow, i forgot to take Cheick "Chickfight" Kongo out.

Most important thing to me is that everyone who hasn't fought one another, does. We just get a good six months of PPVs out of that kind of arrangement, and we get some surprises. What if it turned out that (for instance) Dos Santos was easy to KTFO? Or that Pat Barry had a sweet Aokiplata? One year later, Lesnar is all healed up to 100%, and we know exactly who to match him up with. Either he really does turn out to be as dominant as he's looked, or we find the guy that everyone just knows Fedor is scared to come to the UFC to fight. Good times.

That's a good argument, Jugger.

Mir jumped in front of Cain Velasquez because Cain took a mountain of damage in his fight with Congo. Cain probably doesn't even remember any of that fight after getting his teeth rattled so hard in the first round. Mir, on the other hand, handled Congo faster, cleaner, and more efficiently than any other HW has since Congo first swaggered into the UFC cage. In other words, he put Congo away like a champ/contender should'a.

Nobody minded when Carwin and Cain were going to have a title shot contender fight. Well, Mir just took Cain's seat on that bus.

rex - i like your idea (except for kongo being included. guy's a chump who should count himself lucky the UFC even knows his name. kongo has become the elvis sinosic of the hw div.)
yeah, mir and carwin are big names, but it seems unfair/arbitrary for management to just discount the likes of velasquez, dos santos, and nog.
either way, i like both mir and carwin, so i want to see that fight. after all, carwin is the most reasonable facsimile to lesnar in terms of size, style, background, so he'll be a good challenger against mir. plus, when mir fights a guy who can lift a car over his head and throw it across the river, well, he'd better bring his a-game.

Did you watch Mir Vs Brock 1?? The ref pulled Brock off Mir after 1 shot to the back of the head. No warning, just stood them up. Mir was seconds away a TKO loss and was saved by the ref.

I want to see Cain/Dos Santos vs Mir before any title BS... Mir has not earned a title shot.

yo rex.. thats is what i wanted too! just make a whole ppv outta the shit with a few catchweight matches or maybe a contender match. i wanna see a first round rematch between nelson vs. rothwell. velasquez vs. big nog. dos santos vs. congo (two strikers) and of course mir vs. carwin.. joe silva take a seat u chump. im on my way

Dammit dammit dammit

How can we look at the Heavyweight landscape right now and say that these two are the top 2 guys? Carwin got the next shot at Lesnar because he brought the heat (via Twitter) after Mir/Lesnar II, not because he's the consensus #2 in the division. Not trying to take anything away from these guys, but it seems arbitrary to pic Mir and Carwin for an interim championship.

I still stand by the idea that we need (and deserve) a full on, round robin tournament in the big boy division. Let everyone in: Mir, Carwin, Velasquez, Kongo, Dos Santos, Nogueira...and anyone else who feels froggy. Who cares about undefeated records? Not me. Throw 'em all in a San Do Thunderdome; whoever beats Blaster gets Lesnar.

do any of u fanboys know that mir made lesnar tap like a WWF diva's champion? not to mention it was in the first round. so a rubber match is sure to come.. oh yeah, last time they fought, they sold a ton of ppv's.. but that was a sick card

Why does Frank get the title shot? Because he headlined the biggest PPV ever and he looked like a superstar in his last fight. Plus, he'll probably start niggling at Carwin any day now and we'll have a bona fide GRUDGE MATCH on our hands.

Then Mir will blow his knee out, GSP will pull out with a staph infection and Alves will be abducted by aliens. That's been the way of it recently.

Frank Mir will probably submit Carwin with a armbar. Sadly I was impress by him against Kongo.

But Carwin is always one punch away of a brutal KO.

Will Mir get too confident and wake up loser or will he be the best [interim] champ of all time ? (good call meanfinger)

I don't understand this. Why exactly does Mir think he should get the rubber match? Isn't it usually

Step 1: Match
Step 2: Rematch
Step 3: Next Opponent

Mir's rematch was more beneficial than Brock's first match...in that the title was available for Mir. He got worked. Like Broke, or hate him...he crushed Mir.

If Mir's "dominating" win over Kongo (I didn't even know he was anything more than a road bump in the division) means he's pushed to the front of the line...then why didn't Lesnar's dominating win over Mir keep it from ever needing to happen again?

You lost Frank...and your lose included a title shot. Just because you talk about how much you want to fight Brock again, and how a match with Carwin would be so amazing...doesn't mean it should fucking happen.

Carwin needs to and should fight...but Mir is no idiot, he knows this is going to fuck Carwin out of his REAL title shot.

Please God...let Carwin win. Then I shouldn't have to ever listen to Mir's crying about Brock again.

I like both of these guys, but I think Mir has the advantage of a more well rounded game. I could be wrong since I haven't seen that much of the engineer of pain.

Chestner should heal up and fight them both. I would hope he loses both.

This is an absolute sham. Mir gets absolutely raped in the title match with Brock, wins his next match against a guy with little skill and gets another title shot immediately?? He and Dana have to be boys. Theres no other explanation for this shit. And I love how everyone seems to be believing Frank's self created "I'm the best boxer in mma" type hype. Are they gonna give Diego another title shot straight away if he wins his next match too?? What a crock of shit.

interm champ doesnt mean 2nd best!! it means the best when the champ is either scared(overeem), in legal issues with his promotion(couture), or rotting from the inside out(lesnar)... i think this is a good climactic story for the made for t.v. movie: the life and times of frank MUR narrated by brock lesnar

Haha, I like that: "frank will be the best [interim] champ of all time . . ." haha, YES. The best second best evah. Just like Fitch or Florian.

hope carwin mimics lesnar's huge-wrestler-rapes-submission-guy gameplan against big mouth.

Carwins biggest win is against Gabriel Gonzaga...when he beat cro-cop with that head kick he looked like he was going to be great but I don't think he has been doing anything at all since and with cro-cops recent losses that head kick means less and less. I don't think Carwin deserves the title shot, at the time maybe he did but since then the heavyweight division has added alot of top guys and big nog who people were counting out after losing to mir showed signs of greatness again, to me carwin is still another fight away from the title shot anyway, it should have been lesnar against nog, carwin against mir in the first place

I'm not ready to jump on the Mir train just yet. Beating a kickboxer with absolutely no ground game doesn't convince me that he is the second coming of christ. That being said with his improved size and boxing if he can get passed Carwin convincingly then he deserves to fight Lesnar again, and could potentially beat him. This will be a good test for him and see if he can hang with a good big wrestler. This should answer allot of questions about the new Mir.

frank will be the greatest intern champ of all time... lets not hear the ring rust excuse already. because i like carwin. and if they use that excuse for him, i cant imagine the excuses flyin outta brock lesnars fan club. once he beats carwin.. and if he ever gets a chance to beat lesnar again, with his striking improving every fight.. who is gonna pose a threat???

Good fight. I don't know who will win. This will be really fun to watch.

Even post-op Lesnar STILL shits bigger than Mir.

I like carwin, but this is bad news for him. He's not ready for Mir, and this will prevent him from his title shot.

I'm buying!!! Frank Mir is gonna rip Carwin's arm off!

I was talking with buddy Sunday Night and this is exactly what we each hoped would happen. I like Interim Belts. They keep fighters hungry and motivated; keep the division moving while the belt-holder is sidelined; and can sometimes inadvertently create the little mini-tournaments that I miss from the Pride Grand Prix days. Furthermore, I think it helps create more drama when the original belt-holder is back in the saddle because you can slap that "Unification" label on the title fight.

This is an awesome development. I like Mir and Carwin and think that both of them can fill the role as "Champ" very nicely until Chestner in able to fight again.

dammit these are my two favorite heavyweights, how am i suppose to enjoy watching this

Mir has no Fuckin' business fighting for another interim title he will just lose before he gets and if a fluke happens and he win he will just lose it again. He need sto wait in line and give the real talent a shot. Fuck Mir

Since we're doing worthless posts, TheRealKadumel really WANTS credit for breaking some news. His self-esteem might by broken if he doesn't slip this in just to be the first: "Thiago Silva out of 108???"

Back on topic, that'd be quite generous to put two title fights on that card. they must be going all-out to show New York that MMA is a huge draw.

oh ya GSP is Sportsnet's Canadian Athlete of the Year 2 years in a row!

first, that's all