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Jackson/Griffin Scorecards; Main Event Wins “Fight of the Night”

The official judges’ tallies, from Dave Meltzer via Fightlinker:

Adalaide Byrd
Round 1: 10-9 Griffin
Round 2: 10-8 Griffin
Round 3: 10-9 Griffin
Round 4: 10-9 Jackson
Round 5: 10-9 Jackson

Nelson Hamilton
Round 1: 10-9 Jackson
Round 2: 10-8 Griffin
Round 3: 10-9 Griffin
Round 4: 10-9 Jackson
Round 5: 10-9 Griffin

Roy Silbert
Round 1: 10-9 Griffin
Round 2: 10-9 Griffin
Round 3: 10-9 Griffin
Round 4: 10-9 Jackson
Round 5: 10-9 Griffin

Personally, I don’t agree that Rampage was “robbed” in this decision whatsoever — I think Griffin clearly controlled rounds 1, 2, and 5 — but for all three judges to give round 3 to the challenger is very questionable; Rampage found his distance in that round and started landing his lead-fisted punch combos. But then again, all three judges gave round 4 to Jackson, which I saw as a very close frame that could have been scored for Griffin due to his triangle attempt, which came within a ball-hair of finishing the fight. I’m sure the argument will rage on, but there’s one thing we can all agree on: These judges are totally incompetent. Where’s Cecil Peoples when you need him?

As if there was any doubt, Rampage vs. Forrest won UFC 86′s Fight of the Night bonus, with both headliners picking up $60,000 for their event-saving performance. As mentioned earlier, Knockout of the Night went to Melvin Guillard for his 36-second destruction of Dennis Siver, and Submission of the Night went to Cole Miller for choking out Jorge Gurgel; those bonuses were also worth $60k. Full payout info to come as soon as we have it…

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SCREW FORREST- July 19, 2008 at 7:53 pm
he does look like shrek
on the fence with ufc- July 19, 2008 at 7:51 pm
the ufc has turned mainstream officially.I think the rampage/griffin fight was bullshit and it continues to get worse.I train myself and cannot believe some desicions.I hope dana is happy he is losing old school fans because now the ufc is throwing fights like rampage/griffin just to make money on underdogs.fuck everyone im out bitches.FORREST SUCKS ASS PAPER CHAMP
FG won- July 6, 2008 at 6:25 pm
After watching the fight the first time, i gave round 1 and 4 to jackson and 2, 3, 5, to griffin, with round 2 being 10 - 8 griffin. After watching the fight a second and third time, I now score round 2 a normal 10-9. I still score 3 rounds for forrest and he clearly pressed the action and controlled the octagon. Jackson was reduced to counterpunching only, not exactly a recipe for success.
mayhem420- July 6, 2008 at 3:56 pm
You know what I think everyone who is pissing and moaning about Rampage losing is forgetting? That after the fight even Rampage said that Forrest kicked his ass.
It was a close fight but Forrest controlled the octogon and was the agressor the entire fight. Rampage threw harder shots but did not do anything near the amount of work that Forrest put into the fight. I watched this fight twice and I could maybe only give Rampage round 1 for the knock down, which Forrest got up from anyways and maybe round 4 but thats it. Other than the knock down Rampage never came close to finishing the fight. It was close and a re-match will be awesome.
I would rather see Wandy vs Rampage first though.... maybe give the next shot to Loyoto first.
KG- July 6, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Too bad Jardine doesnt have a chance at a title shot again.. hes a bad match up for Forrest and I would love to see his Shrek looking goofy ass curl up into a ball and cry in the cage again
L Grant- July 6, 2008 at 3:28 pm
I didn't agree with those judges.
In my opinion Jackson won the first, third and fourth rounds, Griffin won the second and fifth.
I didn't score it a 10 - 8 for Griffin in the 2nd because although he controlled the whole thing, he really didn't do squat to finish the fight or damage Jackson.
Even if he does get a 10 - 8, in my opinion, the fight is a draw.

Forrest just didn't do enough to take that belt though. It was a very even fight, with Forrest being the aggressor for most of the rounds, although Jackson is a counter puncher, so, it's hard to give Griffin credit for being aggressive, when that aggression falls into Jackson's game plan.

I don't think Forrest will be the champ for long. I believe Wanderlei, Liddell, Thiago Silva, and Machida could beat him.
Not that he couldn't end up winning against any of them, but I don't think he'll hold the strap for too long.

I'd love to see a rematch with Shogun though!!
11jed11- July 6, 2008 at 3:11 pm
what was up with all those a-holes in the crowd booing Griffin after the fight? I thought that was totally lame. Just more un-educated MMA fan. That was a great fight and I can't wait for the rematch.
FOF Athletics- July 6, 2008 at 2:44 pm
WOW! As usual, I think I see a fight scored a certain way and then UFC judges prove me wrong (though the kaliedoscope Cecil Peoples seems to see every fight through never surprises me anymore). I had 10-9 in every round (ok, questionable in the 2nd but Forrest didn't accomplish anything w/ dominant position, I don't give up points for that); with the 1st, 2nd and 5th going to Griffin and 3rd and 4th going to Jackson. Like I said, the 2nd round I could go 10-8 if I had to, but the first could've easily been Rampage's too. These two factors, plus a very back-and-forth 5th made me think nothing short of a split decision was on the way... SURPIRSE, MMA judging is inconsistent and unpredictable. At least they got the end result right, but who knows how?!
Plain old Kevin- July 6, 2008 at 11:43 am
Rampage had the first round by hurting Griffin twice and knocking him down the second time. People should watch that round again and that means you Ben. Griffin won the second by 2 and the fifth by 1. I agree with the earlier comment or two that this was certainly a draw. Judges always suck and they should stick with boxing so they can continue to make that sport even worse when it goes to the cards. No worries here though... Griffin will not hold the belt long and Silva, Silva, Liddell or Jardine could destroy him for it. They should give him one scrub so he can keep his own belt with one title defense.
Chris J- July 6, 2008 at 10:38 am
oooooo let's say something controversial and get some attention because our mothers didn't kiss us enough as babies.

Fucking disgusted with what I've read here tonight. I'm trying to get my sons into the sport. They know the fighters I know and I give unbiased opinions on strengths, weaknesses and such, to keep them as informed as possible. I explain the groundgame (which brought sniggers first time they watched) and they really get it.

There is no WAY I'd let my 12 year old son into this board. You idiots are putting the sport we know and love to fucking SHAME and you should hang your thick heads. It's obvious that the most opinionated of you don't have a CLUE about this game.

I come here because I love the site, Ben is a top bloke and it keeps me up to date. It's a shame the comments section gets overrun by fucking n00bs who have only just started watching the sport and haven't got the faintest fucking idea what it's about but STILL insist on parping on about it like fucking experts. If only they knew how utterly stupid they sound.
rnc- July 6, 2008 at 9:35 am
Round 1 to Griffin? Really? I love Forrest, but a few snapping leg kicks do not come anywhere near equaling a knockdown and Rampage's powerful combos.
Tyrus- July 6, 2008 at 9:34 am
I'm sure someone has said it before me...but I'll say it again.

LEARN THE 10 POINT MUST SYSTEM FOR MMA BEFORE POSTING ON HERE ABOUT SOMEONE WINNING A ROUND BECAUSE 'OMG HE HIT HIM ONCE AND HE FELL DOWN'. THIS IS NOT BOXING!

One of the many rules in the MMA 10 point must system:
(c) Judges shall evaluate mixed martial arts techniques, such as
effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area,
effective aggressiveness and defense.

Griffin won, end of story. Rampage had a few good shots but mostly stood there and took it most of the fight. If he had been more aggresive he might have KO'd Griffin, but instead he chose to defend and try to wait for the perfect moment.

I still think Round 4 should have went to Griffin though...the triangle choke and getting out of rampage's slam were excellent and showed a lot of talent.
H Clinton- July 6, 2008 at 8:03 am
Not voting for a black azzhole for president, and all his white-hating bigots in his "church".



Whites at an Obama speech is like seeing cheering black people at a Klan rally, what idiots!
ThaKahuna- July 6, 2008 at 7:20 am
The fight was definitely close & it exposed the glaring need for some clarification on MMA scoring... with that said I had rampage winning 48-46 but though it would be scored a draw and thought that would be a fair judgement, How I see it after that fact is Forrest came to fight with a good game plan and since most were predicting a KO for Rampage the fact that Forrest didn't get his ass beat won a lot of people over( Judges included), Griffin's leg kicks were scoring early but not late Rampage moved out of the way of Griffin's weak jabs on the bad knee and Forrest clearly wanted none of the exchanges on the feet...

As for the Judges those scores were ridiculous....MMA fans have to realize that these are the same judges who've ruined boxing matches on a regular basis, Adalaide Byrd has a history of absurd score cards...i found it strange how only Nelson Hamilton gave Rampage rnd1 in which he scored a clean Knockdown, but Bird and Hamilton scored rnd 2 10-8 Griffin but in that rnd after the leg kicks Griffin basically just mounted Rampage & tried to rub his elbows on his eyebrows in an attempt to cut him for 2 plus minutes but Rampage was never hurt. Those scores just don't make sense
Anonymous- July 6, 2008 at 6:52 am
Yeah he was robbed, when Forrest was stealin off his face with his knees and elbows. Seriously, what fucking fight were you watching? Fuck yeah it was a close fight (championship bout) but Forrest won decisively by landing nearly as many punches, way more kicks and sub attempts, knees to the face, and watching Rampage needing to get helped down the stairs because his leg was so fucked up was priceless. Rampage landed a few solid shots, even knocking him down but Forrest returned alot of 'em too. Need I remind people that Forrest was the AGGRESSOR for 90% of the fight.

Griffin's face being cut up: doesn't mean shit he always looks like he's getting his ass kicked.
Griffin "looking scared" when he was backing away from Rampage's haymakers: doesn't mean shit
Griffin "stumbling after each punch he took" doesn't mean shit. He's the clumsiest son of a bitch in the cage, so Rampage isn't so special in that regard either.

It's like you think Griffin lost the fight because he didn't let Rampage punch him in the face all day, in which case he would have lost the fight. I like Rampage, but I was pulling for the underdog and he didn't disappoint. If I was only looking at Rampage the entire fight I'd think he won too but sadly I'm not as big a fucktard as I come off.

Also is it just me or was Rampage sporting the same beer belly Liddel came out to face him with? Conspiracy? Fuckin A right it is.
Jim- July 6, 2008 at 6:29 am
CORRECTION: I meant that Dana made RAMPAGE take a dive. I am so angry about that ridiculous fight that I can't even type.
Jim- July 6, 2008 at 6:28 am
This fight was a complete set up from start to finish. Rampage clearly won. Forrest fought the worst I have ever seen him. Dana made Forrest take a dive. He barely fought. FOrrest did nothing. I am disgusted by this sorry ass rigged fight. Rampage is a sell out. Just like boxing. Total BS now.
yellow root ball sav- July 6, 2008 at 6:20 am
forrest won...get over it...rampage will get his rematch and i bet its the same result...i think forrest is just a bad match up for rampage...it doesnt matter anyway bc shogun is coming back with a vengeance and is gonna be ready to roll son....
sretah cfu- July 6, 2008 at 5:05 am
The smiley faced fags are the same person 10 to 1 bet on that u FUCKIN HOMOS MISPELLED AND IN CAP'S JUST AS MY NATIVE AMERICAN ASS PREDICTED...AS FOR INBREED GO'S I AND YOUR MOTHER EVERY NIGHT SON'S..........
RAMAGEWASROBBED- July 6, 2008 at 3:38 am
RAMPAGE WAS ROBBED!
Apexified- July 6, 2008 at 3:31 am
To the people who found those fights boring and are calling the main event a fix, please do stop watching, you're missing the point and diluting the fan base into a bunch of meat heads who boo constantly unless two fighters are standing out there face to face smashing each other. It's only going to get more technical with time, so you might as well just go buy yourself a copy of bumfights and enjoy the brawling and brutality.
Magicmatt- July 6, 2008 at 3:16 am
If the judges gave rampage the nod there would be even more complaining saying that forrest was robbed. Just a really even fight i guess.
good sport- July 6, 2008 at 3:03 am
I thought this was Rampage was going to take it by a KO, boy was I wrong, Forrest had a Great game plan and Rampage looked slowed and rusted.

I think his boxing coach got Rampage into a One set mind of just punching too much. Rampage also looked to be more conservative and toooo flat footed instead of his usual self.

it was like watching a boxer vs a kickboxer.

Wonder when the rematch will be. or would dana milk this some more with a match b/w the other top LHWs for a title bout. That would be pretty entertaining

My Hats Goes out to Forrest the dude got a great game plan and shows pure class. The same can be said for Rampage.
KG- July 6, 2008 at 3:01 am
I provide exibit A to the Jury: Look at Forrest's damn face ... he was clearly beaten and picked apart.. Rampage had a sore leg.. big deal.. Forrest's face was cut wide open.. what BS... everyone at my house (15 people) were in complete agreement that RAMPAGE won the fight. What fight were the judges watching???
Jonny- July 6, 2008 at 2:34 am
Rampage was ROBBED thats all i got to say!
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