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Jon Jones Talks Appeal, Says He Had No Idea About Steve Mazzagatti’s Reputation


(Photo courtesy of Sherdog.com)

Jon Jones isn’t mad.  He says this several times, and it seems very important to him that people understand it.  If it was left entirely to him, he says, he probably wouldn’t be appealing his disqualification loss.  That part was mostly his management’s doing.  At the same time, he doesn’t think he got a fair shake from referee Steve Mazzagatti at the TUF 10 Finale.  It’s not that Jones disputes Mazzagatti’s ruling that his downward elbow strikes were illegal — he admits that they were.  But he doesn’t think it was what really caused the fight to be stopped, nor does he believe that Mazzagatti did what he should have done in the wake of the foul.  As he told me for this SI.com article:

“A big part of it is that Mazzagatti just didn’t handle things right,” explained Jones. “You know, he’s standing over Matt Hamill, who can’t see at the time because he has blood in his eyes, and obviously he can’t hear, and Mazzagatti is standing there asking him if he’s okay. Then he stops the fight.”

If you go back and watch the video of the fight, what you see is Mazzagatti standing over Hamill and asking him twice, "Are you done?"  Hamill doesn’t answer — maybe because he doesn’t even realize Mazzagatti is asking him a question — and that’s when the fight is waved off. 


According to one of Jones’ managers, Jason Genet, Mazzagatti’s error was in not bringing in a translator to find out why Hamill couldn’t continue.  If he had, Genet maintains, he would have discovered that it was the shoulder injury sustained during the takedown that was responsible, and not the illegal elbows.

But anyone who follows the UFC and/or Dana White’s video blogs closely won’t be surprised to hear that Mazzagatti may have made a crucial mistake.  He’s the guy DW called "the worst referee in the history of fighting."  Only somehow Jones had no idea about any of that until he got home and did some research on the internet:

“I didn’t really know anything about him until I went and read some of the blogs and found out that no one thinks he’s a good ref. The UFC seems to hate this guy. No one thinks he’s good at what he does. I guess this isn’t the first time something has happened with him.
 

“This is all so new to me. I’m learning a lot about the game through this. But hopefully this will help [Mazzagatti] too, maybe get him to buckle down and become a little better at what he does. This is important to all of us who do it. We have careers to think about and bills to pay.”

Funny, this isn’t the first time we’ve heard this from a UFC fighter.  Or the second.  Kind of makes you wonder when it might be the last.

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macreadysshack- December 11, 2009 at 12:45 pm
@MediumRare: Yes.

@ everyone else: The world is full of fucktards, people, and many of you are fucktards. Fucktards do and say very stupid things on a regular basis and do not learn from their mistakes. Of course MMA is fucked up. Everything is fucked up. If you suspect that you may BE a fucktard, try to pull yourself up by your fucktard bootstraps and evolve into better life-forms. It will make the whole world a better place. That way, when we all have to drive together on a road, or we all have to go to a sporting event, or we all have to do anything together, we can have an experience that is not quite so fully saturated with bullshit. Steve Mazzigatti needs to pull good and hard at his fucktard bootstraps. Jon Jones is displaying an alarming and surprising fucktard bent here by listening to his douchetard managers. I hope he develops the personal strength required to tell those fts to f-off.
Clyde- December 11, 2009 at 12:05 pm
The DQ is a bitch. But Jones fucked up in the heat of the moment and it cost him. I really can't see why downward elbows are illegal but I am well aware that they are, and I'm sure he is as well. I think we can all agree that the only real effect this will have on Jones is that hi pockets will be a bit lighter until the next time he fights. We saw he was winning, we saw that he fucked up.

The thing is, if Jones had won we'd all be bitching about how Mazagatti fucked up awarding a win after an illegal strike (kind of like he did for Burns vs Johnson). And if it had been a no contest, then we'd just be bitching one way or another depending on who we'd bet on for the fight/like more.

As for Jones' claims to not know of Mazagatti's reputation, I'm calling bullshit.
steampunk22- December 11, 2009 at 10:20 am
@Ghostboner Thanks man! Now I've got everything all neatly summarized the next time Montrealer posts the same ridiculous shit I can just copy and paste, saving us all the time and effort.

@sj cheers!

Man I'm excited for the fights tomorrow! W00!
El Famous Burrito- December 11, 2009 at 7:21 am
Classic, hot sauce, just classic.
Hum Deez Nutz- December 11, 2009 at 6:18 am
He was DQ'd cuz he is black. This is a hate crime!
puckd- December 11, 2009 at 5:53 am
i'm thinking, that in a few months when this jones guy destroys somebody else, it will be " remember what he did to Hamil" not " he got DQed in his last fight.
Red Baron- December 11, 2009 at 5:08 am
DW, and everyone else dogpiling on Mazzagatti need to chill. I've ref'ed several hundred karate bouts and, although it's a much different format than MMA, I can assure you that things happen fast and you don't always make the right call. This is especially true of the Hamill fight - the guy is deaf which created a very unusual situation that few of us probably would have handled just right in that situation. Easy to armchair QB - harder to achieve the perfection you demand of Mazzagatti.

Even when you're just the ref, there's adreneline going on in the ring. When adreneline is pumping sometimes you do what your experience/training has taught you over the years. You react, you HAVE to in order to be quick enough. If Mazzagatti had it to do over, he might call it differently, but he had to make a right-now decision for the safety of the fighther. You can judge him when you've been there yourself.
ghostboner- December 11, 2009 at 2:52 am
Steampunk I thank you for saving me the time and energy I would have used to say that myself. And also basing your words on logic, instead of a raging boner for Jon Jones.

Skeletor, I have reviewed the responses and you win. Bonergate 2009! Get your popcorn!
Sjsurf- December 11, 2009 at 2:00 am
and all time greatest insight on the Taternation comes from none other than, the one and only, greatest to ever live, most influential and innovative person of this era, you guessed it, CAPSLOCKHAL.
Sjsurf- December 11, 2009 at 1:57 am
Fuck sakes steampunk, you are mannificent
steampunk22- December 10, 2009 at 11:49 pm
@Montrealer

Not only was that painful to read, but you're wrong. And thats way worse because I was hoping by the end of that you maybe would talk yourself into some sort of logic wormhole and all of sudden arrive at a correct interpretation of these events and I could think; "Hey, I didn't just waste my time readin that at all, this guy is an articulate and analytical interpreter of mixed martial arts rules and I should be thankful for the contributions of such a scholar."

But you didn't, so I now I'm gonna repeat what I already posted in response to you on the OTHER post about this.

Here goes, step by step. I'll hold your hand.....

Jones very obviously threw those elbows on purpose, as he was looking for alternate ways to cut Hamill and end the fight. Heat of the moment, yeah, but still illegal and definitely intentional.

You've tried to argue that he "didn't mean it". That's dumb, and I'm dumber for having to repeat it.

The fight was stopped, due to illegal strikes, which caused a deep cut in the nose of Matt Hamill.

The "deep and jagged" cut was enough to warrant a stoppage in the eyes of the referee (and later confirmed by Keith Kizer of the NSAC).

Video replay confirmed that the cut was caused by the intentional downward elbows. At this point the penalty changed from being a points loss for Jones to a disqualification as the illegal strikes were determined to directly lead to an injury that warranted the stoppage of the fight. You can't argue the fight should've been stopped earlier, because it wasn't. It was stopped AFTER the illegal strikes, you can't erase that. This is not some hypothetical world in which Jones never threw illegal strikes, or that they shouldnt count because the fight "was already over".

Whether or not Hamill could "physically" continue (Hamill maintains he was defending himself even though his shoulder was separated) it was determined the illegal strikes caused an injury that prevented Hamill from continuing.

That is purely the fault of Jones.

Not the ref's, not the UFC's, not the rules, not the clock's. Jones.

Unified Rules:

13:46-24A.16

b) If an injury sustained during competition as a result of an intentional foul is severe enough to terminate a bout, the contestant causing the injury loses by disqualification.

I hope the DQ stands, and I hope you stop posting rants about why it shouldn't because this is getting annoying. I dont like having to scroll so far to get to comments I actually WANT to read.

Geez.

Fuck sakes! ;P
One Two- December 10, 2009 at 11:12 pm
haha i've been posting to much i used to scoff at the people who were involved in comment fights and arguments back when TUF guy was around, now i found myself drawn into them god i'm losing it. haha. i just don't like bones jones after finding out he was a weed snitch naturally gonna take the other side.

@ Xs4Iblls i'd send you a comment nobel peace prize if i could, thanks for checking me on gay internet fighting. haha and i think BJ is better than GSP also.
cagefightmon- December 10, 2009 at 11:07 pm
ManThe Mannificent... Says:
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 22:43

After reading the first 6 words . . . you lost your audience so You just wasted your last long winded 14 hours on useless jabber no one cares about. Illegal strikes are. . . . uh . . . illegal.

Steve, keep up the great work. Fuck you DANA, if Steve goes, you should get his face punched EXTREMELY HARD!!
NO ONE could have called that fight better than Mazz. Seems to be political from here. FUK the UFC IF THIS IS WHAT "THEY" offer MMA!!!!

LORENZO IS NOW DANA'S BITCH!!
Sully- December 10, 2009 at 10:52 pm
If deaf people cant hear, it's clearly their own fault. Mazzagatti is the best ref ever and Cecil Peoples the best judge, hands down. Jones won solely because of those elbow strikes, Matt Hamil was simply using the face to fist technique to tire Jones out. The 12 to 6 elbow is clearly the most powerful move in MMA even more so than Jon Claude Van Damme's dim mak attack.
The Mannificent Montrealer- December 10, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Everyone hating on Bones betta back up. If y'all hated on every fighter that committed a foul like yer hating on Bones, we could start a Haterade bottling company, raise a ton of cash and pay to get Mazzagats his mustache back.

The argument isn't about whether or not Bones committed a foul. Of course he did. Fouls happen all the time, no matter what Disney tells you. There's enough nut shots in the UFC for Bob Saget to mount a full fledged AFV comeback! We gonna stop fights and lose our minds every time a fighter doubles over and dry heaves and you slightly, ever so slightly, experience a lower region sympathy pain? It ain't about all that. It's all about two questions. Did the foul end the fight? Was it deliberate?

If the answer is 'no' to either of those questions then Bones DESERVES a no contest. That's right, my lusty friends. Deserves.

Y'all are freakin out about rules. Well, the rules say Bones earned himself a NC with his lapse, not a DQ.

As for his appeal, don't you dare compare him to Baby Jeebus Penn whose complaints were based on insane ramblings (Florian managed to text me even though I had my tinfoil helmet on) and his confusion about what was real and what grew out of his own dreams of GSP bathing in baby oil and showing up in Hilo all slippery and pliant with a boquet of flowers, the glint of golden sun on his chest and soft whispers of "it's time for your BJ, BJ."

If you can't admit that Mazzagats pulled a Keystone Coppers 'Cecil Peoples' level fuckup, then, like my boy Yoda says, "That is why you fail." Bones has every right to say, "Hey Nevada, how's it goin? So yer boy Mazzagats fucked up pretty hardcore and it cost me a W, sooooooo, if you could go ahead and review the facts to see if anything can be done that'd be greaaaaaaat."

If you don't think he has the right to ask for a review, you can just go ahead and lick his NSAC.

Bones is a true man. Like me, he is mannificent. Bask! Bask in it! He'll move on from this incident with pride, knowing that he will some day be champ. In the meantime, all the man is askin, is for a lil' respect. Just a lil' bit. Jus a lil' bit.

-The Mannificent Montrealer
swc52583- December 10, 2009 at 10:30 pm
ok bones made a mistake...how many eye pokes, low blows, punches to the back of the head have we seen before...maz missed a blatant knee to the face of a downed opponent earlier in the card...and he missed the first few 12-6 elbows too...dw consistently says the guy is the worst ref ever and that the commission not the ufc pick the refs...and jones has been nothing but a pro in all this...it his management team that is doing this...he took the loss like a man and is ready to roll with it but at worst this should have been a point deduction not a stoppage and maz sucks as a ref and the nsac and every other state that sanctions him as a ref needs to stop cause there's no way this ends well
Arastmaus- December 10, 2009 at 9:52 pm
My favourite is UFC fan.











BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!
Thatsozay- December 10, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Might as well say "tuf guy" if we are just randomly throwing in crap posters in this game. Or "so cool" or whatever the fuck his name was.
steampunk22- December 10, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Alright you caught me. I arbitrarily picked the first three people I thought of. Pure name recognition.

I'll give it some thought and actually post who my favorite's are because I kind of like this idea.

With enough involvement some obvious front runners could emerge and CagePotato could pick the top few and do a year end T-Shirt sort of a deal. Or maybe we can win whats left in Ben Fowlke's dad's bottle of Jamesons from the Gambling Enabler vid? Whichever is worth more than $12.50.

Its actually hard to pick people you like though, its much easier to remember the Curt Sample's and UFC Fan's for some reason.




No one tell them I said that.
Thatsozay- December 10, 2009 at 9:31 pm
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Thatsozay- December 10, 2009 at 9:27 pm
@ steampunk: skeletor, SKELETOR!? That guy(?) hasn't the least bit funny or inciteful posts at all. This retarded baseball joke about a "fight" if you even consider a guy throwing an old man to the ground a fight is not funny. Wait maybe your both from Canada and it's one of those Canadian things like aye, aye? Now I get it. Ha.
ben dover- December 10, 2009 at 9:23 pm
One-Two you're a fucking asshole
steampunk22- December 10, 2009 at 8:45 pm
Hurray! I get a little excited, though. (see post above where I fly off the handle on Short Bus with little to no provocation! Hurray!)

But thanks exes.for.iballs! I post mostly for my own entertainment, but its atleast partially for the rest of you.

I like skeletor as well actually. Goat has had some good posts, and MyWifeWiffaCheeto or whatever the hell his name is has had some good ones too. Most of the regulars are actually pretty funny.


Except for that Curt Sample dingus. That guy fuckin' suuuuuuucks.
exes.for.iballs- December 10, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Let's play a game.

Who in all the potato nation writes the best comments?


I'll go first:

I like skeletor and steampunk(even if you see Canadian). Both are hilarious and knowledgeable at the same time.


It used to be goog, until he stopped with the obscure Sean Penn references (what the hell!?), and started talking about mma.
steampunk22- December 10, 2009 at 8:07 pm
;P

Up here in Canada we say "Fuck/God Sakes". Not as a rule or anything, it just seems that colloquially we've dropped the "for". At least in my experience. ;P

FUCK SAKES!
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