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Why is there so much hate because a guy said he’d like to try fighting a different style fighter… is there anyone in the ufc who WOULDN’T complain about fight 4 1 dimensional wrestlers in a row?? MMA fans are such babys… seriously get real.

And for the record… I said a year ago I do not buy his public persona….. you keep seeing flashes like we did with early he who shall remain nameless (tito)

“Legally obligated”?

My theory is that the UFC wants to see how Jones does off his back (hence all the wrestling). We haven’t really seen it yet and I think Bader will be the first to do it. I’m very curious as to what kind of defensive ground game Jones has. I hope it’s very aggressive like Silva’s.

@ MoTropolis

Sorry Dude, Didn’t mean to kick you in the Crunch Berries there.
But if it makes you feel better. Mr.Magoo, Dare Devil, Geordi La Forge, and Stevie Wonder are all Judges.

All trained by Cecil Peoples

If you’re insinuating Capt’ Krunch is not real, you can go fuck yourself.

@MoTropolis
The real question here is this…If a Rampage VS Jones fight does go down, whose corner is Jesus gonna be in? And as a result, will the other guy decide to get Santa Claus to corner?

Hey-Zeus can not get a green-card so unless the UFC is going to hold the card in Guadalajara,…. Jesus will not be cornering for either of these guys.
John Jones will have The Tooth-Fairy as his cut man,…. and Rampage will have the Easter Bunny greasing him down with down with Yellow Peep’s between rounds…. Oh and Batman will be officiating the whole thing. After the introductions by Captain Crunch.

^^^If thats the case, I cant wait to see him snatch the microphone away from DW at press conference’s.

Jon Jones is going to become the Kanye West of the UFC.

ahhh man hes starting to get cocky. I really like him as a fighter, and bader. But how can he be tired of wrestlers, the top two guys at jacksons camp are rashad evans which seems to bring the snoozefest as of lately and doesnt really care what anyone thinks about it and gsp likes to fight a safe fight twice a year by just laying and staying. Hopefully Jacksons camp gets a clue by what jones is saying, i personally think he is too good for the camp ubt he realize it soon enough

@nicey:
Check your statement first before you imply idiocy against others. Please re-read your quote “perhaps the most idiotic statement I’ve read on CP in teh past 4 or 5 years” and then realize that CP has only been around since 2007. People on here are entitled to their own opinions, but when you troll your ass along saying things like “and there’s been a LOT of idiotic statements” try to refrain from replying to others by using an idiotic statement, genius.

kthxbye. >.<

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The real question here is this…If a Rampage VS Jones fight does go down, whose corner is Jesus gonna be in? And as a result, will the other guy decide to get Santa Claus to corner?

@RwR

“Still, I think Bader is as worthy an opponent as there is out there for Jones right now.”

Agreed. That’s why it’s so odd that he decides to make these comments. Maybe he’s trying to get in Bader’s head and make him stand and bang?

LOL don’t have to get too far down on the comments to find out who’s suckling on that NARC’s nuts do ya? Saying Jones would beat those 4 9/10 is perhaps the most idiotic statement I’ve read on CP in teh past 4 or 5 years. And theres been a LOT of idiotic statements.

i agree bader can win this fight and i hope he does
dont get me wrong i admire bones and his desire to fight a dangerous striker but be carefull what u wish for
sure bones has good flashy strinking but correct me if im wrong has he KOd anyone and im not talkin ground n pound KO or TKO I mean knock someone stiff, i dont think he has, i can only remember him dropping bonner by spinning back elbow and even then it didnt finish the fight
anyways i wouldnt be so quick to say he would beat the top 4 guys
actually id love to see him get fed to shogun so we can watch his wish come true
maybe after that he wont complain about fighting an unbeaten wrestler.

Panda, what I was saying is this:

Jones has beaten all of these wrestlers because he’s able to squash their faces with his elbows, et al. Things you aren’t able to do in collegiate or olympic wrestling.

And unless I’ve been watching the wrong sport, “younger and stronger” goes a long way in MMA.

Bader isn’t in this fight to test Bones’ chin. He’s in this fight to stay undefeated. If he has to do it through three rounds of grinding it out on the floor, so be it. At this point, I hope he does.

For the record, I, like most, loathe wrestling. Read everything I’ve said and then tell me where you’re coming from.

@ deadpanda, NinJay, jimbonics, et al…

I agree with you that practical application is the key, but the difference this match brings is that Bader might actually choose to use his wrestling. Matyushenko tried, but wasn’t that good at it, and Hamill never really tried.

And I think people underestimate Hamill’s wrestling creds because he was D3, and because of the Deaflympics. When he actually used his wrestling in MMA, he actually was able to outposition and outwrestle 2 former NCAA D1 champions in Rex Homan and Mark Munoz. He was a 3 time D3 champion, with an incredible record there. Doesn’t mean he was as good as the D1 champions, but it also doesn’t mean he was worse. It just means he never competed against the guys at that level.

So I think it says a lot about Jones that he was able to ragdoll Hamill. And he also took down Brandon Vera with ease, which isn’t easy given Vera’s stellar greco background. Randy Couture couldn’t do much to take Vera down, and Jones did it with ease.

So far, though, Jones has used his size and height to take these guys off of their base. I wonder if he can do the same do Bader, who sits much lower in his stance. Still, I think Bader is as worthy an opponent as there is out there for Jones right now.

They’re middle of the road guys. But they’re middle of the road guys in the deepest division in the #1 promotion on the planet. I don’t think they’re top tear but they’ve been a step up every time. Asides from ‘younger & stronger’ I can’t say Bader’s looking that much better than Matyushenko & well, that fight was kinda short.

Panda

Although I mostly agee with you, however, it seems as if you are saying that Jones has fought top tier talent. Which is where I disagree. Bonnar, Hammill, Vera and Maty are the best he has fought and none of them i would consider top tier. Vera and Maty, maybe, at one point but definitely not when Jones fought them.

I’m just surprised that the UFC is pitting their two best young LWH prospects against each other. They often like to build guys up separately so that they can get title runs out of both of them. But with Thiago Silva out and FoGriff saying he wants no part of Jones, I guess this is their next best choice.

“Know your sport? Yeah, it’s called MMA, where wrestling is but ONE discipline. Put Maty and Bones in a pure wrestling match and see if it turns out differently. It might not, but I bet he doesn’t make Maty look amateurish. Or Hammil for that matter. Or Bader. I bet Bader takes him in a pure wrestling match.”

I want you to reread this & tell me where your point is. You manage to go from talking about ‘knowing mma’ & how this isn’t a wrestling match to talking about Jones’ losing a wrestling match.

… where’s your head?

Following your logic; Tae Kwon Do tournaments produce great MMA prospects because they know how to point spar better than people who strike in MMA. I mean, because MMA fighters don’t have that crisp striking technique required for knockouts, right? (sarcasm for the skim readers)

Practical application is what we’re talking about here. It’s what Bader & Jones have done inside the cage that matters, not what they’ve done outside of it. Bader is in this fight to test Bone’s chin; not to put on wrestling clinic.

Just for the record the champion has a huge chance against jones, Maybe the rest don’t and sadly I think I have to agree.

this is pretty funny considering where Jones trains….

Jones won’t fight rashad seeing as how they’re Jackson/Winklejohn bros for life. I hope Rashad doesn’t win the title before Jones gets a shot at it

I don’t think Bones was disrespecting Bader’s talents I believe he was assessing the lack thereof.

Am I the only one who doesn’t see Jon Jones as the polite, classy person his nuthuggers claim him to be? I mean, he isn’t full on Tito, but he’s always whining and complaining about this and that and making off-handed remarks.

I wasn’t implying he wasn’t a good wrestler. I was implying that Bader’s career isn’t worth casting aside.

Know your sport? Yeah, it’s called MMA, where wrestling is but ONE discipline. Put Maty and Bones in a pure wrestling match and see if it turns out differently. It might not, but I bet he doesn’t make Maty look amateurish. Or Hammil for that matter. Or Bader. I bet Bader takes him in a pure wrestling match.

Rua/Machida are the only ones that will give Jones a fight. I don’t think Page or Evans can handle him, Rampage being last on my list due to being slow as shit and getting owned by Rashad.

Give ninjay a T-shirt for making me lol on a monday morning.

The only thing that we’ve not seen tested on Jon Jones is his chin. That’s what the UFC is doing by sending Bader in there. It’s not another wrestling test for Jones, they want to see if he can take a shot to the jaw before he gets a Rampage-ish match up.

I like how people just look at Jones’ JUCO credit & pretend like he stopped training wrestling 3 years ago. Like he didn’t make Matyushenko look like a fucking amateur & not the guy who schooled a US wrestling team with Olympians on it. Know your sport. The only reason ya’ll don’t think Bones is legit is that he’s made all of his opponents look like jokes. Making the uninformed, mindless, cattle masses think he’s not fought anyone worth while.

I am not 100% convinced on Jones yet, mostly because of who he has fought. I think the Bader fight is a good test for both fighters to see exactly where they are at, more so for Bader. We know Jones can be effective against wrestlers but we dont know how Bader fairs against and truly dangerous striker. Arguably, Jones hasnt fought a wrestler who is good and as strong as Bader and Bader’s hands aren’t too bad either. I give Jones a 50/50 chance against any of the Four Horsemen. Machidas elusive, Rua is tough and a dangerous striker, Rampage is rampage and on the “right day” can beat anybody and Evans is pretty dangerous all around. They all have a lot of experience which wins fights.

Vera sucks now though- don’t think that’s much of a test.

@C-Bus

I respectfully disagree. Rampage is definitely the weakest of the four horsemen, but I believe all of them would give Jones a hard time. In fact, anyone from here on in will give Jones a hard time. Bader included.

@NinJay

That was funny. You know what’s even funnier? Karma.

Plus Hamill hasn’t even heard of Bader.