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Judge Tries to Defend 30-27 Verdict for Joe Warren, Only Makes It Worse

(No really, if you squint you might think he is *is* Dana White. Pic: ProMMANow)

In general, we feel like the following situation happens a lot in MMA circles: A guy will do something kind of shitty or controversial – thereby causing a minor internet eruption – and then in his effort to “explain” or “clear the air” or “apologize” he comes out with a bunch of statements that actually make the initial infraction seem much worse. Such is the case with MMA judge Chuck Wolfe, who this week tried to clarify to MMA Fighting the inexplicable 30-27 win he awarded Joe Warren over Marcos Galvao last weekend at Bellator 41. In doing so, Wolfe actually made a string of comments we found far stranger than the decision itself.

The veteran judge’s defense of how he scored the bout essentially proceeded along three tracks: One, he knows more about this than you do. Two, that MMA judges have to score the fight for somebody, right? And three, the fighters shouldn’t have left it in the hands of the judges. All pretty scary stuff, once you really start to think about it. All told, it just kind of makes you want to politely nudge Wolfe and say, “Chuck. Just, you know, shut up.” After the jump, you’ll find the quotes themselves. Be prepared to get mad.

“(Galvao) had three rounds to take Warren out if he really wanted to beat him — he had three rounds to dominate Warren, as well as Warren had three rounds to dominate him,” Wolfe told Michael David Smith. “It’s up to the fighter. … Don’t leave it in the hands of the judges, especially when it’s a close fight.”

OK, wait just a goddamned second. So now a *judge* himself is breaking off “don’t leave it in the hands of the judges” clichés? Isn’t that something people normally say (usually accompanied with a bemused shrug) as an admission that MMA judging is pretty bad and that nobody knows exactly what they’re doing? Wolfe admitting that fighters shouldn’t really let him decide the outcome is kind of like a restaurant giving one of its diners food poisoning and then being like, “Well, you really shouldn’t have ordered the fish.”

Most of the controversy surrounding Wolfe’s cards – the decision itself had some people mumbling about a “fix” — stems from his choice to give Warren a second round that seemed clearly won by Galvao. To this (aside from insinuating the fighters should have tried harder) Wolfe simply said he thought each round of the fight was “very close.”

“I remember the bout very clearly,” Wolfe said. So … uh, that’s good … we guess. But then he throws in this: “When they are close rounds there’s one thing or maybe two things that might put someone ahead … You can grade it 10-10 but you might as well not be there if you’re not going to score someone to win the round.”

Dude, WHAT?!?! NO. If you think a round is a draw it’s YOUR JOB to score it a draw. That’s actually what you are there for. We’ll leave you with perhaps Wolfe’s most aggravating quote, during which he reaffirms his position of Infinite Smartness and then puts an exclamation point on things with a sentence so terrible and maddening that we sincerely hope you do not punch a fist through your monitor after reading it. Don’t say we didn’t warn you.

“I’ve judged and refereed since the beginning of the sport, I’ve been head official for over 600 different bouts,” Wolfe said. “If you want to question my credentials, I think I have way more than anyone out there to be qualified to judge. I know fans get disappointed, but I don’t think you’re going to have Joe Warren fans complain about how the decision went.”

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BaghdadBob- April 24, 2011 at 11:47 am
mburtoni has an excellent point about the judges' physical views of the fight.

Btw, the MMA Commissioner of an unnamed state told me that a judge should never score a round 10-10. The Commish maintained that one of the fighters always wins the round; there are never ties in real fights/life.

Although that position sounds a bit dogmatic for my tastes, this Commish really is an outstanding MMA mind, so his view should not be simply shrugged off.
ReX13- April 19, 2011 at 8:06 pm
^ i like this guy.^
Bringbackbabalu- April 19, 2011 at 7:28 pm
For the record, this judge is a complete idiot. I mean good god man, i have watched like 6,000 fights and never seen such a bad decision. It could be a fix. The guy figured Joe Warren easy money possibly? This guy should have been fired before the post fight interview was even done. Now that he made these comments, he should be possibly crucified as well. The score of the fight was 30-27 with Warren losing or maybe he had the guys backwards, or was watching a different fight? I can't believe anyone can be stupid enough to watch a fight and score it so pitifully. Unless this guy is such a scrub, such a failure at life that he doesn't even pay attention to the fight and just day dreams and says, "what are they gonna do? flame me on the internet, pfff not like that could fire me. how dare they question me. ME! I am a judge. They know nothing. I know everything bwahahaha. Stupid people we are only here for show, if the fighter are too stupid to finish we just tally up our tick tack toe scores and transfer them to the score sheet. you lose, you sol. why umad Galvoa? we dont have a 10 point scoring system, you can't win a fight by clearly winning every aspect of every round. Why would that mean you win? Any small thing like checking out Joe Warren's cornermen during the fight is a deciding factor in who gets the w. Talk to Keizer, I am his Douche Padawan. The force is strong with that one. OMG IS THAT COTTON CANDY? What score card?"
Get Off Me- April 19, 2011 at 5:47 pm
@Bill Jackson
Precisely my point, Curran landed one takedown more than Alvarez in that round...I even was telling my friend that I bet one judge gives him a round for that...Bellator is a little shady with the decisions, the fights are always entertaining though.
Bill Jackson- April 19, 2011 at 5:38 pm
While I had Warren losing the first two rounds, if the scores had been 29-28 all around for him, it would not have been the most outrageous score I have ever seen. The first round should not have gone to Warren, but it was at least somewhat close. The third round was clearly his. The big controversy is that Wolfe gave the second round to Warren.

But, nobody seems to make a big deal that one judge gave a round to Pat Curran in his fight with Eddie Alvarez. Yes, the right guy got the decision, but giving a single round to Curran is equally absurd as Warren getting the second round in this fight.
Get Off Me- April 19, 2011 at 5:11 pm
And I was going to come on here with some clever joke about how Chuck must be biased towards guys like Mirko Cro Cop who use Duran Duran for their walkout music....and Wolfe with an "e" at the end is so lame.

Nail on the head.
Ever see the officials scoring the fights on TUF, nothing like you see when you are at any other event...I wonder what all that restlesness is about anyway? What exactly are you trying to see when you hop out of your seat and bob your head like ostrich in heat?
Monitors would help them see better, but if they do not know what they should be looking for, judging won't get any better in my books.
I'd rather continue betting on who is more likely to get one takedown per round more than his oppenent route. Every once and a while it fails, but with inconsitency(mma judging) there is some consistency....just nowhere close to the other sports the UFC wants to track me judging is the biggest obstacle this sport is facing.
logdog52- April 19, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Holy crap! You guys were right it does look exactly like Dana when you squint. It's like one of those sweet optical illusion pictures!
Clyde- April 19, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Great argument Chuck. It essentially boils down to... "Oh, us wacky judges. We like to keep you on your toes, wondering if your consistent takedown defence counts as cage control and if your obviously effective striking is counted more than that of a guy swinging and missing before getting wobbled by your counter shots. Hell, sometimes I just get to the end and flip a coin. I know more about judging this than you guys anyway because I've done it before. People who watch this sport don't know what they're watching. Watching hundreds of people fight over a period of several years doesn't give you any insight into who's winning the fight at any given moment."


I think mburtoni may be on to something with the monitors, but the danger of that is that if they are allowed to see from muliple angles and slow-motion replays, they'll probably just focus on one or two elements of each round rather than the round as a whole.
noname- April 19, 2011 at 3:44 pm
legit and reason should be the other way around
noname- April 19, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Is there any reason legit for Bellator to be using Indian athletic commissions?
vaicavalo- April 19, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Just say ''I'm sorry, it was a clear 29-28 Galvão, i don't know what the hell i was doing while the fight was happening, i just remember coming back in the middle of the last round and score the fight as I thought how it happened''

i could accept that

but this kind of speech, 'hey don't leave t the judges''s like a doctor saying 'hey bro, take care of your health, don't leave to the doctors, we do sh*t all the time'
fatbellyfrank- April 19, 2011 at 3:24 pm
You can grade it 10-10 but you might as well not be there if you’re not going to score someone to win the round.”

FUCK.ME.DEAD. This statement makes my head hurt
kellyman- April 19, 2011 at 2:01 pm
"He also said that his background as a professional kickboxer and his knowledge of MMA gives him insight that surpasses that of the average fan watching at home"
That made me chuckle.
mburtoni- April 19, 2011 at 1:29 pm
Reminds me of how Joe Rogan complains that judges don't get to use monitors. We all saw it on TV. It's not out of the realm of possibility that if you're sitting cageside watching the whole fight from the exact same perspective through three rounds, it's gonna look completely different than it does when you keep switching between 5 or 6 different camera angles. I feel like this is one of the most under-discussed reasons for crappy judging.
italia furia- April 19, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Carl Sagan Says:

Makes me think I should drop my career, girlfriend, friends and family, move to Nevada, and become a judge. Just so this sport regains some integrity/credibility. Something tells me you gotta be connected to get a job like that, though.


your cum sock and action figurines will miss you

j/k, first thing that came to mind
RaginAsian- April 19, 2011 at 1:06 pm
agentsmith- April 19, 2011 at 12:31 pm
So in conclusion, he says he's very good at his job, and his credentials are beyond reproach... but you should try to avoid letting him do his job at all costs, otherwise you deserve the consequences. So it's basically akin to the "she was asking for it" argument.
Turd Furgeson- April 19, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Lol @ FriedTaco. You consistently bring the funny. You should have at least five T-shirts.
El Guapo- April 19, 2011 at 12:03 pm
File this one under the better late than ever, but Rex had some pretty badass links on his Bellator thread the other day, Balrog's fitty(fifty, five-zero)punch combo-neezy being my favorite.
Spicymeatball- April 19, 2011 at 11:57 am
Booooooooo bad officiating!!!!!!!!!!
Fried Taco- April 19, 2011 at 11:49 am
Seems like he's not a Nevada judge, he's from Kansas City, which is where Bellator is based. So Bellator must have brought him to Nevada to judge. Chuck's credentials: Chuck Wolfe MySpace, Chuck Wolfe Martial Arts web site
dim mak- April 19, 2011 at 11:43 am
i thought 10-10 rounds weren't allowed under the 10 point must system.
ReX13- April 19, 2011 at 11:43 am
I like Joe Warren. Joe Warren lost that fight, and badly.
Fried Taco- April 19, 2011 at 11:42 am
P.S. Google Chuck Wolfe and the first result that comes up is rather interesting.
Fried Taco- April 19, 2011 at 11:40 am
It was a close fight, the fighters were very close. So close they were touching each other almost the whole fight.