I’d love to see a matchup Guida vs Florian since both are comming from a dissapointing loss.

@schnetzler:
RIGHT! I’m surprised this isn’t as big of a thing as Seth Petruzelli’s “they paid me extra to stand with him” revelation. Telling a fighter the score cards between rounds is like fixing the fight. If it’s the break between rounds 2 and 3 and it’s 3 rounder, and someone tells you every judge has you winning the first two rounds… all you’re going to do is try to stay alive and make it out of the 3rd so you can win a decision. You’d just run around the ring and try not to get KO’ed or taken down. That hurts the chances of the other guy.. it’s fight fixing and it’s bullshit.

- I figured that I definitely won the second and third [rounds].

Are you fucking kidding me?

Sorry Kenbo your sorry ass excuses boil down to 1 thing, you couldn’t perform like you made it out you could, i suppose that happens ( ask forrest ) as to sanchez losing to bj, nope! just cause YOU lost doesn’t mean everyone else will, sanchez won’t lean on bj for 3 rnds.

@J-Dog

I’m with J-Dog…why is any official talking to the fighters about the fight during the fight? That could lead to some serious impropriety/fight fixing/gambling allegations. If what Kenny says is true, that should be investigated. If the commission wants to have open scoring like K-1, fine, but that would certainly be public knowledge before the fight and both fighters would be getting the info. They should only be concerned with Phil Nurse inappropriately touching GSP between rounds and fighters using Plaster of Paris to tape their hands.

@Everyone who thinks Sanchez can beat BJ

No. He cant.

Yep, I feel like Diego has a chance since he should be huge with two matches of weight cutting practice. I don’t see any fighter that matches BJ in terms of technique and athleticism at 155. His opponent just has to be too big and strong for him.

I had Florian winning one round and who knows what would happen if he survived and tested BJ’s cardio in the final round. But you can’t fuck up against BJ on the ground and he did. BJ did look pretty fresh and showed how sick he can be at his real weight. Now if he’d only stop being a douchebag between fights.

@ Armfarmer- those werent close decisions. And Diego has a solid chance of beating BJ.

Hahahaha.

I went down to Philly for UFC 101, and ventured down Passyunk Ave until I came to the world famous Geno’s.

The line was long, but the cheesesteaks with onions and extra wiz were unreal.

Florian… you Bostonian homo. You did NOTHING. The whole fight. You did nothing. You know what happened? BJ’s corner reminded him the faster he beat you the faster he got to have a Cheeseburger or since they were in Philly, a Gino’s Cheesesteak with Extra Whiz.

With that motivation BJ picked up Kenny. Dropped him on his back and subbed him right quick.

lol florian lost every round, none of the judges had him winning

sanchez beats kenny i think, he’s at least got a better shot at bj

kennys next fight should be against the winner of guillard/diaz

100% AGREE FightZen

Sanchez is going to be badly exposed by another higher level fighter if they fight Sanchez is going to be killed by BJ and exposed as a Bridesmaid/Gatekeeper.

I’m not sure about Florian winning any of those rounds (although 2nd and 3rd were fairly close), I think the commissioner was whispering sweet nothings…

Sure he stayed active and tried to pursue but he didn’t land as many nice shots and when BJ got in close and in the clinch he landed some very strong strikes that were just more effective.

@armfarmer

in my mind the phrase out striking stems from having 2 guys throw strikes at each other, and having one fighter outdo the other, hence ‘out striking’.

that being said. when that guida/sanchez fight started, no ‘out striking’ took place. sanchez threw a fury of shots while guida did his best to cover up and survive.

i made my previous comment to counter the statement by florian that, “sanchez doesnt have the striking to get it done”

sanchez has the striking to get it done. id go so far to say that sanchez has plenty of striking to get it done. will bj counter better than guida? probably so. but to say sanchez, “doesnt have the striking to get it done” is a statement id probably put in the category of ignorant.

just saying.

@ bobzemuda

I wouldn’t bet on it either way, but yes I think Florian could beat Sanchez now. I also think Sanchez could beat Florian. It would be a close one I think.

@Dude
Florian was waiting for his title shot that he had already been granted. He had to wait for GSP vs Penn that’s why the long lay off.

@Soda
Out striking Clay Guida does not mean someone is able to outstrike Penn. Not at all.

On Penn vs. Sanchez: “I don’t think [Sanchez] has the striking to get it done.”

Clay Guida: “wrong answer”

“Florian blames his long layoff for his submission loss to BJ Penn at UFC 101, and hopes to get back in cage right away against a tough opponent.”
Why do fighters get long lay offs (other than because of injuries)? Most fighters fight ONCE a year! They need to be fighting 2-3 times a year ’cause they’re getting old and tired fast! They train more than they fight so I don’t think Florian lost because of cage rust, he lost ’cause Penn was the better man that night. Way better! (And I was rootin’ for Florian). Look at J. Koscheck, that dude was fighting like every 1-2 months! WHY???? What does a fighter have to do or say to have this kinda schedule? 9 months of no cage time for Florian and other fighters is way too much and something needs to be done.

Kenny’s on steroids and greased!!11! BJ will never fight in Philly again, the board is out to get him!!1! Hopefully his mom can talk some sense into the athletic commission. Oh wait, bj won.. nevermind.

Do fight officials REALLY tell fighters scoring info during the fight? I mean… for real? WTF? Judges’ scorecards have always been a closely kept secret until the final decision. There have been many opponents to that… some people saying that they should tell each judge’s score between rounds… but that usually gets shot down on the premise that a fighter who knows he’s up a couple rounds will skate by late in a fight and make it boring. I can hardly believe that a fight official would tell a fighter the scores during the fight. If he did, he should be fired.

@ArmFarmer

Do you not think Sanchez would take out Florian once again as well?

Matt Hughes in his prime struggled like crazy to get Penn down and when he barely succeeded in the takedown all he did was fight off submissions. Diego Sanchez at 155lb is not going to be more successful at take downs than Hughes was at 170lb, Diego will probably get outclassed in every aspect by BJ and I am going to love every minute of it. You don’t fight a close decision with Joe Stephenson and Clay Guida and then take out BJ Penn. Not counting Kenny because of the time/weight gap, Joe S. is their common opponent. MMAth doesn’t work all the time, but in this case it gives you a pretty clear picture of the skill gap between BJ and Diego. BJ by domination, and Diego leaves the octagon chanting “NO.. NO.. NO…”

@LBo its true.. he was not showing a complete dominating performance ato win the belt if it went to a decision. He kept trying to take BJ down but as i kept saying “you didnt wrestle in college, you played soccer! So kick him!”

I think the Guida lay and pray would be a problem for Florian because I think Guida is stronger than him and will take him down at will.

Everybody already said it, but no chance he was winning. Hate to hear KenFlo kidding himself.

Kenny Florian vs. Frankie Edgar… I see that happening.

EDIT: Or Clay Guida…whatever.

I loved him in the Starsky and Hutch movie. Remember when he was crying but he was like “I am not crying, I work out”

I fucking love Florian, so it pains me…but he should probably go check out the FightMetric report for a dose of reality:

http://www.fightmetric.com/Florian.html

Agreed with every one above… no chance Kenny was winning that fight at any point. Penn was totally dominating, but he definitely had control at all times. Sorry Kenny, you’re delusional.

Also, Sanchez has no chance.

yeah sahcnez will be a lot stronger,faster and bigger than BJ. Florian is just in denial he got owned. Did you see what BJ did to Kenny “the black belt” on the ground? Dude he raped him. Mounted him, pounded him and chocked that zoolander looking dude out.

Agreed with every one above… no chance Kenny was winning that fight at any point. Penn was totally dominating, but he definitly had control at all times. Sorry Kenny, back to the drawing board.

Also, Sanchez has no chance.

Even Kenny’s corner thought he was losing. Listen to how they talk to him between rounds. They sound anxious and insecure.

And I agree with godsloneranger. I don’t think Kenny really won any rounds there. Kenny didn’t land any significant strikes at all. But if you are a judge that awards points for controlling someone and trying — even unsuccessfully — for a takedown, then I guess you could see him winning a round.

Ring rust is such a bullshit excuse. The reason you try to spar with similarly sized opponents that have similar games, is so that you can simulate your opponent and get your timing and distance for your striking down before the actual fight.

I think Sanchez stands a better chance then Florian because he’s another big lightweight. KenFlo just didn’t have the strength to take Penn down from the clinch, and I think Sanchez might be able to muscle him down.

portland mma Says:
Wed, 08/12/2009 – 10:47

Man I like Kenny, but the dudes gotta be smoking crack if he thought he won any rounds of that fight.

This.

I didn’t see Florian winning ANY of those rounds. Sure, he held BJ against the cage for most of the second and half of the 3rd round, but he couldn’t take him down, he tried and tried and tried, but still could never take BJ down. And then in the 4th round, the 1 time that BJ tried for a takedown, he straight lifted Florian up and put him on his back almost effortlessly.

I see BJ Penn being the Anderson Silva to Kenny Florian’s Rich Franklin.

Man, as much as BJ whines and brags, I gotta say Kenny was definitely the bigger loudmouth of the two for this fight. He wasn’t neccessarily in full shit-talk mode, but seriously that guy doesn’t shut up: How he wanted the belt, how he took that test for athleticism, how his Muay Thai is awesome compared to BJ’s boxing.

Man I like Kenny, but the dudes gotta be smoking crack if he thought he won any rounds of that fight.

“the commissioner came over to me and said that a couple of the judges had me winning the first couple rounds, I was two to one, or one of the judges had me all three, I don’t know exactly what happened, but he told me that a couple of the judges may have had me winning.”

The commissioner lied to you Kenny. You squeeked out 1 round, MAYBE.

Florian’s mother just filed a formal complaint that BJ felt whiney.

BJ you killed kenny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No sorry kenny pushing BJ against a cage and holding him there and numerous failed takedown attempts doesnt win you any rounds buddy. Neither does being scared to stand and trade with him. So mych for killing the master, BJ is just on another level than Kenny.

I still love you Kenny!

BJ>any lightweight

He forgot to add listen to his corner the next time. Not that it would’ve change the outcome but still.