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Kids Beating the Crap Out of One Another


(Making dad proud.)

CBS’ Saturday edition of “The Early Show” had a piece about parents allowing their kids to participate in MMA. And by “participate”, I mean beat the shit out of one another. We’re having trouble with the embed, but 5oz. of Pain has the video and a rundown. Basically, the piece went like this:

The video shows a bunch of cagefighting kids in Mizzou taking it to each other. Then Dana White comes on for his two cents — and it makes me smile that he’s a guest on a CBS show while CBS has been pumping their upcoming EliteXC broadcast. Dana does his normal ‘people just don’t understand MMA’ and that it’s basically no different than the kids participating in karate and kung fu. I agree, except — as Sam Caplan points out — for that little no head contact in karate sparring and no submissions. Some may think kids are vile creatures, but those aren’t the people putting their kids in an MMA match either. The ones doing it are the retard ex-high school jocks who can barely hold down his Burger King assistant manager job, pushing his washed-up dream onto his boney 10-year-old out of “love.”

The Huffington Post also recently had an article about kids in “ultimate fighting” as they put it. Again, Missouri comes up as the state allowing this, as well as Oklahoma. My favorite is this quote from one of the pro-kids in MMA dads:

“When they get out of the cage, they go back and play video games together. It doesn’t matter who won and who lost. They’re still little buddies.”

That’ll work until puberty hits and fills their bodies with enough testosterone to fill a wading pool. That little buddy thing will change real fast. Some have expressed putting an age limit on MMA and their worry that if more kids are actively participating they’ll end up speaking like Rampage Jackson. I’d say no age limit and no sanctioning body to waste their time on tyke fights. Douche-bag parents should just have some common fucking sense. If you want your 7-year-old taking shots in the face, then you, Sir, are a classy human being indeed.

It’s also not the first time “The Early Show” has tackled combat sports. Watch below and believe for yourself.

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ajaykumar- September 25, 2011 at 10:39 pm
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Bundy- April 1, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Oh, and by the way. This is a great debate, one that EVERYONE should be waying in on! I am somewhat bothered that there are not alot more comments about this article.
Bundy- April 1, 2008 at 5:33 pm
I agree with you that mma is not its own single style, not yet anyway. I think in the future it will evolve into its own style. Taking techniques from other combat sports that are useful only in a cage fight. Moving on. I think the main point in your debate for not supporting kids in mma is the elbows, and strikes to the head on the ground. I think you would be ok with all the other aspects of fighting, grappling, boxing, etc. Kids do these all the time. So what if strikes on the ground were illegal? Would you still have a problem with putting kids in mma? The reason I ask is that as fans of mma, and some of us participants in it, we can have a direct role in developing rules and regulations for our local amateur kids mma league. Parents should have a voice in how amateur mma will be regulated, especially for young children. There is nothing that says a rule like that could not be implemented.
mmacoach- March 31, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Bundy, I respect your point, that is why America is great. We can speak our minds. What you feel is right for your children is your business. In your defense also, the shots measured were not taken using headgear, however they measured force, not initial impact. And pads? I don't know what pad prevents damage from a ground punch. MMA gear is not a football helmet, shoulder pads, etc., it is thin and doesn't slow down the "jarring" of the brain when hit. The truth of the matter is also, we haven't seen any kids that have been training in MMA for years or the result of taking that kind of damage. And kids that have played sports for a long time, are in fact walking around with injuries sustained from those sports. The ones that don't get injured seriously enough make it to the big show, even most of them have injuries from childhood sports. I'll say this again, what you do is your business, my son is 2, he goes to the gym every day with me... he watches the kids train and wants to participate. He watches me spar and roll and imitates my actions. I love him too much though, too much to take the chance that he will be injured from doing that. Jiujitsu, muay thai, wrestling... fine, taking repeated blows to the head while he's on the ground... no way in hell. You can take that chance with your kids if you want, but MMA is a sport... not life... my kid can make his own decisions when he turns 18, until then, his life is in my hands.
mmacoach- March 31, 2008 at 4:46 pm
One final thought. MMA means mixed martial arts. It is not itself a single style... perfect the individual styles while you're a kid, then put it all together when your body is fully developed. It doesn't take long to learn how to punch a guy who is on the ground if you already know how to throw a punch standing or get into a dominant position. That is why wrestlers excel faster than any other style. Let kids learn, just don't let them take those head shots while on the ground.
Bundy- March 31, 2008 at 4:45 pm
So by your reasoning kids should not start playing any sport until they are like 21 right? No football, or hockey, boxing, kickboxing, muy thai, jiu jitsiu, etc... Kids play alot of rough sports and the majority of them are not walking around with brain damage by the time they are an adult. These kids will be an expert in something by the time they are an adult, MMA. I guess I should also address your thesis on ground punches. How about pads and headgear. My amateur comment was in reference to size and scope. An amateur division like what boxing has, is exactly what mma needs. Not 25 year old men just getting started. I have alot of respect for your credentials, but just because a person is an expert in something does not mean they are correct. No matter what people say, kids in mma will happen, and I think it is a good thing.
Blackleg- March 31, 2008 at 12:08 pm
There's a huge common-sense factor that the featured "Parents" and Bundy are missing. It's not the issue of contact, kids get some of that in whatever kind of Strip-Mall Fu has them point sparring. Kids learning to box, sure they do but they aren't wearing tiny 4oz (or lighter) gloves they're wearing pillows on their hands. Let's not pass on the mental faculties of boxers that have taken years of shots to the melon. Joint damage is I think more of an issue. Yeah kids are tough, I have three. The manage to dust off after wiping out running through the house in ways that make me cringe when I see it.

Toughness has got nothing to do with the way their bones and joints are developing. I was diagnosed with scoliosis as a child, which means a curve in the spine that ultimately causes your hips to tilt, thus making your legs 'uneven'. You know how they fix that? They scrape out the growth plate in one of your knees. Why? Because when they do that, that leg stops growing. If they time it right, *presto* your hips even out. So when little 8 year old Timmy has the growth plate in his right leg damaged from a heel hook that went a little too far, his previously normal healthy development is now FUBAR. It's just a risk that is completely unnecessary and entirely avoidable. The first concern of (real) parents isn't the future of MMA, it's the health and safety of their children.
mmacoach- March 30, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Bundy, I like your point too. But I will say that putting kids in wrestling, jiujitsu, boxing, kickboxing is the furthest thing from coddling them. I'm not insulting you, but obviously you didn't know that there is an MMA amateur division. Before a fighter fights pro, he participates in "smokers". These are MMA ruled amateur fights. My overall point is that it is better to be an expert in something than okay at everything. It was proven that getting hit with an MMA punch while grounded was twice as damaging as a standing punch. Refer to the last Fight Science with Tito, Bas, and some other pros. Two reasons: gravity acclerates the punch, the ground causes the head to stop. When you're standing up, your body's defense mechanism is the actual knockout. Your body goes limp to relax and sustain the force. Like a drunk driver, they die less than the non-drunk drivers in crashes because their body is relaxed. So taking all of that into consideration, the head of a downed opponent is traumatized twice (fist/elbow hitting head, face hitting ground) with no defense mechanism when hit. This isn't what we should put bodies through that still are not fully developed. I am a pro mma fighter, I am a kid's coach as well. Trust me on this one because it is my final point, I don't know any mma fighter that can last more than 12 years of hard competition. Randy Couture got started late in life with MMA. 12 years is giving a lot of credit. We don't want a 21 year old walking around with 12 years of MMA experience and nothing to show for it except brain damage, two torn ACLs, and back problems. Kids need to develop their bodies to maturity for such a hard sport.
Bundy- March 30, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Maybe I'm ignorant, but I just dont see the big deal. So what if kids are competing in mma. I actually think that is a good thing. Floyd Mayweather did not learn how to box when he was an adult, he learned when he was a kid. Alot of sports that kids participate in are dangerous. Stop coddling kids, they are alot tougher than adults give them credit for. Plus, mma needs an amateur division. The future of mma will not be adults converting to it from another combat sport, it will be fighters who have trained in mma from when they were young. I think this is great, mma is now its own legitimate sport. Fighters are now going to grow up learning mma.
Old, Bald and Irish- March 30, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Well said "mmacoach".

My six year old daughter has been studying kenpo for a year now and really enjoys it. At the risk of sounding like a bad parent, yes, she has viewed some MMA fights and has expressed and interest in taking jiu jitsu class. She often accompanys me to my jiu jitsu classes and that is where she has gotten the most exposure.

Would I put her in a MMA style situation? No f...ing way! There's nothing wrong with teaching kids martial arts or wrestling/grappeling. But to throw them into an MMA situation is a little extreme. It takes them a lot longer to really understand the basics of the fight game and to learn self control and disipline.

Now, I know that guy on the video pointed out that the kids had gear on. But to properly do an MMA style match, you can't have a lot of gear. The risk for injury is great. I think these guys could at least wait until high school to knock each others brains out.
Canuck- March 30, 2008 at 6:38 pm
exactly mmacoach... there are way too many skills that go into being a top MMA competator, put your kid into one of the diciplines such as wrestling, boxing, bjj. these are tough enough sports for kids to grasp and learn propor technique. Just putting your kid into mma will hinder their performance down the road.
mmacoach- March 30, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Okay, here goes a heated debate for sure. I agree that MMA is not like karate or jiujitsu in the manner that kids get hit repeatedly in the head with MMA. I will say though, that it is like boxing for kids. Kids wearing headgear, mouthpieces, and boxing gloves are going to take near (I know that on the ground the punches are more damaging due to having a floor underneath them) the same punishment as boxing. The difference between the boxing and MMA is that they will take far more frequent punches with boxing, per sparring session, as well as sparring far more often. NOW, before everybody jumps on my shit... With that said, I will say that I do not believe kids should take repeated blows to the head in either sport. Kids should be exposed to jiujitsu, kickboxing techniques, boxing techniques, wrestling, and conditioning without having to spar MMA style. If someone decides to go that route later on in life, that is up to them. Don't let kids fight MMA, there are too many other things they need to perfect technique-wise first. The first thing I teach kids in my classes is how to defend themselves. Checking, rolling, sprawling, evading, head movement... No instructor should have their kids sparring weekly no matter what sport it is. It should be reserved for students that have perfected their technique first, and that takes a lot of time.
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