@RwilsonR Yeah I admit I was announcing Penn as a top 10-er and one of the best in the sport, but that was before the first fight between him and Edgar, where after he became such a hard ass about it and didn't even have the balls to excuse himself for it, so he told his coach instead to broadcast it to the world. This time though I say to myself that accomplishment-wise he has done a lot, even though most of has been spoon-fed to him, but personality-wise, he's my one of my least favorite.

The preview of the second Edgar fight shows that in a way, he admits to not giving it his all in his fights (BJ Penn: "He hasn't seen the knockout king... the submission king") which makes him more of a dick because he just doesn't wanna change up unless he's "motivated" which is the lamest excuse ever if you're supposed to be motivated to do your job. He was really humbled though after the Edgar fight so props to him for that, but does he have to fight his opponents that won over him a second time for him not to be an ass about them and then not give excuses? No, I don't think so. And he should realize that too.

He could've been one of the world's best, had it not been for his inconsistencies as a person.

One more thing... BJ shouldn't go down as one of the best ever because when he met up with fighters that also had natural talent, but that had a work ethic and some brains, as well, he got destroyed. That is why GSP should go down as a legend, and not BJ.

@ RSparrow and Waxedpants - I fully get why you guys would like the guy, because he is a great fighter. I want to like him, but I just get get past his attitude. In fact, what RSparrow said is exactly what pisses me off so much about the guy - "...a focused and determined Penn can beat anyone on any given day." He could be, and should be the legend all his fans expect him to be, but because he is a spoiled little child who has things come to him easily, he is not. And I just get sick of people basing his "legendary" status based on the potential they see versus actual accomplishments. Penn has the potential to be a legend, but his actual accomplishments only reveal a good fighter who should have accomplished more, but was held back by laziness, apathy, whatever. And so many of the hardcore Penn fans refuse to argue their point on anything but the potential they see in him, not the facts on the ground.
 
Based on the fact that you two actual acknowledge that BJ might possibly have some shortcomings that he is responsible for, and his losses aren't the fault of some mystery Injury Fairy (not his opponents of course, becuase nobody could ever hurt their perfect BJ), then you aren't the fans I'm talking about. You sound like two people who recognize that he has a lot of skill and puts on some good fights. I'd agree with that.

Sivers spinning back kick is brutal. It gave rogan a chubby,

RwilsonR does make some decent points but for whatever reason I will always like Penn --- even if he is kind of a spoiled prick sometimes.

@Rwilson,

I have to admit that you are correct on some of your points, but I still consider myself a hardcore fan. The guy is fucking talented, his hands are second to none in the LW WW division. No one has better take down defense, great jits, and his flexibility is unheard of. Everyone started shitting on him after the two consecutive Edgar defeats, but Frankie's speed and footwork is tough for anyone at lightweight. Everyone asks the question, "What Penn will show up on fight night", but a focused and determined Penn can beat anyone on any given day. I have to admit that the best thing BJ could do is leave Hawaii, and join a camp where he isn't top dog. The guy does have a lot of heart though, he stepped up and fought Machida at LHW and has never been scared of anyone. I think we will figure everything out during this next fight... if he comes in and destroys Fitch, get ready for a new title contender.

@Smitty
That he does. Though I won't be surprised if he looses i always root for him to win, kind of like how i am with Scott Smith, Cody Mackenzie, and Chris Lytle

@ ES - I just admittedly have a serious dislike of BJ Penn, and his hardcore fans. I don't like much about him. He's lazy. He's spoiled. He shits on his fans, and they love him all the more for it. He's given more opportuities than anyone in this sport based on a mystique built up by his fans, but not justified by his actual accomplishments. He makes excuses for his failures and so he doesn't correct them. And then in spite of it all, so many people are constantly shoveling this bullshit about how he is the greatest ever, best PFP, blah, blah, blah...
I don't mean to knock his casual fans, and I admit he is a good fighter. But the hardcore BJ Penn fans are unique in that they are the only people with more excuses than BJ himself. I'm tired of this talk about him being a legend built upon him choking out Hughes (an accomplishment, for sure) in a fight he never should have been given, and beating a few overrated Gracies overseas who had already been surpassed in the sport, but the casual fan didn't know it yet (not much of an accomplishment). From that, his legend was built. No matter how many times he got utterly destroyed, there was an excuse waiting. No matter how many times he shows up unprepared, more excuses. In a sport filled with young, hungry, dedicated, hard-working guys who give it their all, I find BJ to be a lazy, spoiled asshole who relies on a lot on natural talent alone and has had everything handed to him, and bitches and complains when things don't go his way. He seems to be maturing a bit now, but too little, too late for me. I just don't like him.

Has Hughes ever been KO'ed cold like that before??

@ DangadaDang
Siver has one of the best in the game (spinning back kicks), but I don't think he has the rest of the tools to beat G Sot. Should be a good one though.

God I loves me some spinning back kicks. I really hope Siver takes this one, even though i have nothing against G Sot.

@RwR any fighter winning any fight will encourage said fighters fanboys, so why so particular with Penn? Just wondering.

It is painful for me to watch BJ Penn win any fight. It just encourages his fanboys further. I really don't like anything about Jon Fitch other than his work ethic (but he can't help that any more than Jon Jones can help being explosive, right?), but I still want to see him win this one.

I just get giddy when Hughes turns to his corner and asks "What happened?" Just beautiful.

Am I actually first?

Anyway, BJ Penn looks belly-swollen. Uh oh.