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Liddell vs. Couture IV to Go Down at Heavyweight in Germany?


(One of MMA’s greatest rivalries is about to get a completely unnecessary epilogue. Photo courtesy of ko.susumug.com.)

Bloody Elbow and The Sun are both reporting that the UFC is currently in negotiations to have dethroned heavyweight champion Randy Couture and former light-heavyweight champ Chuck Liddell face each other for a fourth time in Cologne, Germany, on June 13th. As BE’s Michael Rome writes:

The UFC wants to have Randy on their [first-ever] Germany show because he speaks the language and can do all the promotion. The winner of the fight would face the heavyweight champion in a big fight at the end of the year.

Couture is uninterested in moving down to 205 where Forrest Griffin is champion and Wanderlei Silva is also a contender. Both are close to him and in his camp, and weight cutting takes a toll at his age…

For Liddell, the thought is that…whereas he would have to win a bunch of fights to get back at contention at 205, the heavyweight division is thin enough where he could jump in and be an immediate contender with a win.

It is believed internally that Couture/Liddell will draw better than Silva/Liddell, and they know that a potential Liddell/Lesnar match would probably be the biggest PPV in the history of MMA.

You can’t really argue with the business logic of angling for a Liddell/Lesnar superfight, what with Anderson Silva‘s disappointing PPV numbers. And if Couture vs. Liddell IV goes like the previous two installments in 2005 and 2006 (which Chuck won via knockouts), the UFC will get their wish. But where does this leave the Spider?

Well, it leaves him with a superfight that’s maybe a little less super. Here’s how The Sun hears it:

[UFC] matchmaker Joe Silva is considering offering the Brazilian a fight with the loser of one of the two big light heavyweight clashes taking place at UFC 92 on December 27. That line up sees reigning 205lbs champion Forrest Griffin defend his title against Rashad Evans, while Quinton ‘Rampage’ Jackson faces Wanderlei Silva for a third time. And we understand middleweight champ Silva is being lined up as an opponent for one of those four men in a light heavyweight bout at [London's] O2 Arena on February 21.

It should be noted that the personal relationship between Anderson and Wanderlei could sink any chance of a fight between them ever happening, which is too bad because I’d cut off one of my girlfriend’s toes to see Silva vs. Silva — preferably, one of the extra ones on her right foot. Still, the other possibilities here are just as compelling. I don’t see the Spider having an easy stroll through any of these guys, and that’s a good thing.

As for Chuck and Randy, it’s a bittersweet situation. It looks like their days of being champions are officially over, so they’ll have to be content with competing in crowd-pleasing and profitable, though ultimately meaningless fights in a weight class that they aren’t really built for. If Couture beats Liddell in their next fight, maybe the UFC can use them to break open the Phillippines market with a best-of-five rubber-rubber match. Still, you have to admit that “Liddell vs. Lesnar” has blockbuster written all over it…

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tyler- December 8, 2008 at 9:04 pm
If the UFC is going to push this bullshit of Couture/Liddell IV then I want EliteXC to have another event with Tito Ortiz Ken Shamrock IV.
tyler- December 8, 2008 at 8:59 pm
I also want to see Gina Carano's big tits fight Cris Cyborg.
WHOFARTED?- November 26, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Dyph is a UFC fighter.
jmac88- November 25, 2008 at 2:25 pm
I can already see the posters.

UFC 99-Grumpy old men
Anonymous- November 25, 2008 at 11:59 am
gsp vs penn 2 is gonna be awesome. even if it did happen before they're both better fighters now. kenny florian doesnt even deserve the time of day to fight penn, hes not that good.....as far as wandy vs rampage 3....wandys gonna knock rampage by knees to the face......again. and chucks not washed up(yet) he just makes retarded mistakes(view the rashad ko) his hands were dropped nothing was blocking his face, i think any of the fights that might happen with liddell will be exciting cuz odds are someones gonna get knocked the fuck out..................oh and fuck lesnar hes a pile of shit doesnt even deserve to be in the same cage with most of the fighters (exclude the diaz brothers)
K.E.G.- November 24, 2008 at 7:27 pm
And staying anonymous is the reason you like to argue on the internet

Bandwagon homo
Anonymous- November 24, 2008 at 5:31 pm
LOL oh shit... some of these comments.
Lesnar a lay and pray fighter? How so? He lays his fists into people's faces and prays he doesn't accidentally kill them? The only lay and pray I've seen in any of his fights was Couture doing nothing but lean on Brock, cause he knew if he actually tried to mount an offense and dirty box, Lesnar would slam his ass. Herrings face and body must have just magically gotten destroyed as well.

Liddell? I honestly don't even think Lesnar would have to take him down at all. Lesnar's reach is so much superior Liddell would attempt to counterpunch, not dodge far enough, and get knocked out just like Couture.

Fedor? No shit. Everyone's suddenly saying that Fedor would kick his ass and show MMA what a sham Lesnar is. Apparently the entire HW divison is a fucking sham then, morons.

Moronic fans are why I love Lesnar.
Anonymous- November 24, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Sakuraba vs. Lesnar has my vote.
Geriatric Peon- November 23, 2008 at 4:21 pm
@Dyph & Geriatric Peon ar fags - the "mom's basement" insult is played out try to come up with something original.

By the way I made no comment about wanting any fight to happen or trying to influence DW to make a fight happen, maybe you should read the comments you are trying to rip on douchehat.
K.E.G.- November 23, 2008 at 4:15 pm
@Imbecile
I agree Silva v Silva is my favorite pick for that fight as well, and I also hate Rashad, I would like to see him v Jardine in a loser dies match.
Imbecile- November 23, 2008 at 3:52 pm
I like the Liddell vs. Couture match-up much better than Liddell vs. Anderson Silva. Let's just hope of the 4 proposed fights for Anderson, it doesn't end up being Anderson Silva vs. Rashad Evans. Who give a shit about that fight? Against Rampage, Forrest, or Wanderlei, I would be very interested. Nobody likes Rashad, and nobody bus PPV's with his name at the top.

Also, I didn't think Anderson Silva and Wanderlei were on particularly close terms. In fact, they went through a period where Anderson didn't much care for Wanderlei. Anderson left Chute Boxe pretty pissed off, and while most of the anger was at Rudimar Fedrigo, I think he could be talked into fighting Wand.

Also, I wish BJ vs. GSP was put off until BJ actually got a title defense. I would much rather have seen GSP vs. Anderson Silva.
Dyph & Geriatric Peon ar fags- November 23, 2008 at 3:10 pm
It's obvious your boyfriends don't read this site because I believe they would be pretty pissed about all this flirting between you two queers. The fact of the matter is you can argue this shit all day, and at the end of the day DW isn't gonna listen to either of your fucked logic or opinions. Get out of your moms basement have her fix you a snack and go outside and get some fresh air.
Dyph- November 23, 2008 at 3:08 pm
"Geriatric Peon Says:
November 24th, 2008 at 9:52 am

Dyph, ...you condescending d-bag."

I will not be swayed by your attempts at flattery.
Geriatric Peon- November 23, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Dyph, you said in your post on November 24th, 2008 at 9:18 am that "that GSP doesn’t cut a lot to stay at 170". I was arguing that he cuts about as much as Silva who is said to walk around at 210 - 215. I wasn't making up arbitrary numbers you condescending d-bag.
Dyph- November 23, 2008 at 2:37 pm
"Geriatric Peon Says:
November 24th, 2008 at 9:34 am

Dyph you are insane both GSP and Alves cut from around 195. They are about 15 - 20 pounds off of Silva’s walk around weight."

Hmm, so what you're saying is; not only does GSP cut 25 pounds for every fight, but Silva Walks around at an entire wight division higher than GSP? So for the latter part you agreed with me? Looks that way 15-20 pounds constitutes a classes' worth. I was initially a little stumped by the first part though, but I think I've figured it out. I'll put my theory to work; 19! 169! 3000!!!!! Hmph, who would have thought devising arbitrary numbers was so much fun....AND EFFECTIVE!
Geriatric Peon- November 23, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Dyph you are insane both GSP and Alves cut from around 195. They are about 15 - 20 pounds off of Silva's walk around weight.
Dyph- November 23, 2008 at 2:18 pm
@ all you silly people chasing a GSP vs Silva 'superfight', and in accordance with England Rules above me. On paper they fight 15 pounds apart, on paper. The fact is that GSP doesn't cut a lot to stay at 170, he is built for it and does well at that weight. Silva on the other hand has a lhw frame. Don't argue, watch him at 205.

Basically the way this would play out is; GSP would walk is weighing in at the bottom of the 185 spectrum, Silva at 185-186. There would be 2-3 pounds difference from the weigh-ins alone. After which Silva will return to his 'walking around' weight which is well into the 190's. No matter how you look at it, there will always be a weight class between them. If you all really want to revert to ten or more years ago and do away with classes to make this fight happen, I hate to tell you, but you're out of luck with the UFC. Perhaps if they both sign with a Japan based organization and fight on new years...Oh and they should bring back foot stomps while we're at it, and the winner of that should face Fedor himself for the king of the universe title. While we're at it lets put the loser against Sapp just to see him cry at the hands of a little guy...At which point, since we've done away with weight classes anyways, we'll have finally discovered the best pound for pound fighter and we can feed Lesner to them, defeating all this Cotoure/Liddell/Mir/Nog/etc nonsense. Penn should just move to 185 as well, you know, to make things a little easier.
England Rules- November 23, 2008 at 1:45 pm
@Derly
BJ wont be a fat 170 but GSP will still be a good 7pounds heavier when they get in the ring, it would never happen but say they ( all the fighters ) had the weigh in 2 hours before the fight that would make a hugh difference.

Thats why there would have to be a catch weight for GSP V A SILVA, cause come fight time Anderson would weigh around 192 while George would just about touch 185! (its too much weight to give up!)

Another point if no one likes Vera wouldn't it make sence to put him in with a beast like Rampage or W Silva if he loses he's out.. Any thoughts??
Derly- November 23, 2008 at 1:29 pm
@England Rules
What weight classes are you considering Fitch/BJ and BJ/Thiago? I'm guessing Welterweight. I really wish BJ was a true contender at 170, and he might truely be. However, if he comes in fat and out of shape again, I'm going to say he'll need some extra luck to pull through fights. We'll see what happens at GSP vs BJ. Maybe he won't look so small or fat. Maybe he'll look in shape and about the same size as most 170 lb'ers but really I think he gives up too much going up in weight. Just like most fighters do.
zmmajunky- November 23, 2008 at 1:09 pm
I don't know about you guys, but I'm not too excited to see this fight. Both are coming of losses and both have already fought each other 3 times already. Let's spice it up with new competitors. It's like having Tito and Ken fight again. Who wants to see that? If Liddell wins...so what, he already beat Randy twice. If Randy wins... so what, now they are even. Are we going to have Liddell vs. Couture 5 if Randy wins and evens the score? Neither fighter is going to gain anything from wining and who ever looses should just retire. I'd much rather see Anderson Silva vs. Chuck Liddell. How about you guys???
Smackdaddiest1- November 23, 2008 at 12:15 pm
@lilbigvince

Sorry, remind me who won that fight? Cause you seem to be under the impression that Couture won.
freddie- November 23, 2008 at 11:57 am
England Rules, I would scratch Vera vs. Wandy because it would suck, Vera is doing poorly as of late and Wanderlei Silva will most likely murder Rampage for the 3rd time
England Rules- November 23, 2008 at 11:25 am
Its the Same old shit with the same fighters when ever i read the fights you want, here's what i'd like to see...

GSP V A SILVA ( Only at a catch weight 178 ) GSP cant give Anderson a head start!
BJ V FLORIAN (If BJ wins there's nothing else to prove at that weight class!)
GSP V THIAGO ( Lets see GSP get this monster down! )
BJ V THIAGO ( This could be interesting if BJ could get him down )
FITCH V BJ
A SILVA V EVANS ( Why does everyone hate on an ever improving fighter? )
VERA V W SILVA
GONZAGA V LESNAR
MIR V COUTURE
NOG V LIDDELL
MICHIDA V LIDDELL
Any thoughts???
J2theOE81- November 23, 2008 at 10:34 am
I like the ufc's thinking a lot but i think Couture/Silva needs to happen!!
semi mental- November 23, 2008 at 10:23 am
I'd love to see liddell vs lesnar. i've never seen someone have both their cheekbones broken with one punch.
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