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Marcus Davis Has an Odd Understanding of MMA

Marcus Davis
(‘Whaddaya say we also agree on no kicks to the legs. I just find those really annoying. Oh, and clinches, too. I hate getting someone else’s sweat on me.’)

The rumored bout between Marcus “The Irish Hand Grenade” Davis and Chris Lytle is on for UFC 93 in Dublin, just as we all thought it would be. As part of his continuing campaign to form some sort of gentleman’s agreement with Lytle, Davis is suggesting that both men agree to stand and bang it out:

“We’ve both been like, ‘I respect you, respect what you do, but a fight between each other is money in the bank,’” said Davis about a fight with Lytle. “I basically said, ‘Yeah, let’s do it and the first guy to take the other guy down is a pussy.’”

Davis has been saying this since the summer, and he’s not the first to try and get his opponent to commit to some kind of unofficial rule alteration, but it’s starting to get a little weird. It’s cool that he wants to stand and strike. That will probably make for a very exciting fight. But since when did taking people down make you a pussy? Does that mean Randy Couture is the biggest pussy to ever set foot in the Octagon?

Davis should also consider that even if he can get Lytle to go along with this understanding that takedowns=pussy, that’s not exactly a binding agreement. In fact, you know when the best time is to shoot for a takedown? Right after you’ve said that you won’t. Call me a pussy, but I’ll be the pussy getting my hand raised at the end.

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Anonymous- February 8, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Dana White has ruined MMA with the count. stand up is ok but when your ass is on the ground and my cardio tires you out and I choke you into unconsciounsness that is REALITY fighting. Seems the rules have made MMA a boxing mans game.. Submissions are sometimes hard to get and take longer.. Once the striker is on the ground and he cannot defend his guard that's not my damn fault and this sport should not protect the damn strikers because people like to see knockouts.. That is bullshit and it is one sided and unfair to submission fighters period..

To this day I'd bet on a submission fighter over a striker in the street PERIOD!!!! I thought MMA was supposed to be a scientific experiment in martial arts, to see what art is superior in reality!!!!! What the hell happened to that premise??? All we get now are rules to protect the damn strikers.. It's bullshit and not reality based anymore.. MMA is ruined because of the boxing rule bullshit.. screw the knockouts!!!! real martial arts is about intelligently beating the other opponent, strikes hardly ever win in a close contact fight.. EVER!!! If anyone thinks differently you are very very uneducated in this art... HI Dana thanks for misleading the public about our sacred art you greedy scumbag.
Corn in my poo- November 4, 2008 at 10:02 am
MMA fighters are pussies.. All they do is offer excuses when they get their asses handed to them instead of sucking it up and admitting defeat.
Turd Ferguson- November 4, 2008 at 9:38 am
don't get me wrong guys... I do enjoy a good ground game. Heck I love to see people tap, especially the ones I don't care for.

I think if Marcus and Lytle agree to a stand up fight, I see the fight possibly being fight of the night or even KO of the night. It could be a great fight.

Nothing like a good ol' fist fight.. now only if they make uppercuts to the groin legal... ah the good ol' days
Nikolai- November 4, 2008 at 6:24 am
The context of the remarks are CLEARLY stated, it's obviously gonna be a slugfest so the first person who can't take it anymore (i.e. takedown) is the pu$sy

Now if you're a fucking a idiot, you would be oblivious to it and completely take the comments out of context and then draw implications to ground/submission fighters who actively look to go to the ground as a means of offense and not defense

And if you're really stupid you'd go on and make a whole article titled "Marcus Davis Has an Odd Understanding of MMA"
Sticker- November 4, 2008 at 1:53 am
@Hulk Smash...fuck you.
no need to feel bad for anyone except for john and sarah WHEN Obama wins. you can seriously say that the heart beat separating john mccain's presidency and the sorority dumbshit succussor of sarah palin is a better risk than Obama?
smash you would be the most productive action of your sad life.
Hulk Smash- November 3, 2008 at 11:56 pm
If it stays standing, it will be a great fight. If it goes to the ground, it will still be a good fight. Both these guys are good and it won't matter where it goes. Let's just hope they both show up to fight. Davis by second rnd tko.


Fuck Obama, I feel bad for all americans tonight if that guy gets in. He will take apart everything that makes your country great.
AARON- November 3, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Oh, for fuck's sake... anyone with a brain and a modicum of combat sports knowledge can see that this is merely headgames and is a complete non-issue.

Slow news day? Nothing to write about? How about let's create an issue out of nothing? Ok.
Whip Wilson- November 3, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Does that mean Randy Couture is the biggest pussy to ever set foot in the Octagon?

Sticker- November 3, 2008 at 8:09 pm
@Turd're a dumbshit. now we all know.
i just voted for Obama...does that make me un-american?
i prefer MMA to kickboxing...does that make me un-american?
i think the reason you relate to Davis' plea is that you, in fact, don't like pussies
in every sense of the term.
nothing wrong with that...i think you and your lover should get the same legal rights as hetero couple's. just be honest with yourself and then you can do the same with everyone else.
then we will not not to take you to the ground...poler.
JIMMA- November 3, 2008 at 5:03 pm
This is MMA this is not boxing, I do not understand the view of not going to the ground nor do I consider ground fighting 'pussy' in any way shape or form.

I know that the casual MMA fans like to see two guys step in and just punch each other out but this isn't boxing and people have to start to understand the art of mixed martial arts.

My pick goes to Marcus if it does stay up, though.
mike- November 3, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Marcus Davis is under the illusion that standup fight = great MMA fight. If I want to watch two guys brawl it out on their feet with sub-par boxing I'll go watch a toughman contest.

The guys who can flow seamlessy from strikes, to takedowns, to submissions are the best fighters in my book--and the most exciting to watch. That's why I started watching MMA in the first place!
WUWU- November 3, 2008 at 4:31 pm
They both have good chins, so if it's a stand up fight we'll get to hear fifteen minutes of commentary on Davis' scar tissue. I'd prefer he just take Lytle down and slap on the dong bar
TeeReks- November 3, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Davis is a strange individual... He talks all that mess about wanting to stand up with his opponent... yet most of his wins come by way of submission. Perhaps he's got a bit of reverse psychology going for him... Perhaps...
mayhem420- November 3, 2008 at 3:56 pm
This is going to be a great fight no matter if its standing or on the ground.
Either way we win on this one. I was siked for this match as soon as Marcus talked about it after his last match. This is one fight that I dont see going to the judges.

I also agree with dandgerfield, I dont think Marcus was calling anyone that goes for the take down a pussy. It sounds just like dandgerfield said.
More like a game of chicken between him and Chris.
...- November 3, 2008 at 3:46 pm
He isn't calling everyone who uses take downs a pussy... He has won fights himself with subs but what he is saying that out of the 2 in THIS fight who ever gets the first takedown is a pussy. Plus im sure he said it like a joke as well.

@Turd Ferguson... I voted for the guy i thought would end these wars the quickest. If not wanting to spend anymore of my paycheck on taxes that pay for wars i don't believe in, instead of trying to help america get back on its feet makes me unamerican then call me fucking canadian...
dandgerfield- November 3, 2008 at 3:32 pm
He didnt mean anyone who ever has taken someone down is a pussy or that wresters are pussys or any of that. He just meant that when it comes to the fight between him and Chris the first person to quit the boxing match is a pussy, like a game of chicken. Again he means that because Chris and him have decided to box then the first person to go for the takedown would be a pussy because he wouldnt be able to handle the other fighters boxing.
walrus- November 3, 2008 at 3:24 pm
This will be a fantastic match. Both are a great fighters -- I'm sure this will be one for the books.

@ Turd Ferguson, I agree.
J- November 3, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Being a fan instead of a competitor I'm all for the " I only wanna win by KO " mentality.
I can respect a fighter who lays it out on the line and loses easier than a fighter who plays it safe and backs up the entire fight hoping the judges give it too him , not that I won't or can't respect the fighter playing it safe but as a fan it tends to make a boring fight. Leben v bisping is a prime example , can't really knock bisping but I'll never watch that fight tape again unless paid to do so.
manutdfan- November 3, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Marcus said this before his last match....and who shot for a takedown? The Irish Hand Grenade. I think it's stupid to call ground work "Pussy", but I see where he's coming from. We all know you don't like to be on the ground, Marcus.
Lets keep it standing- November 3, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Nothing wrong with standing matches, that's why boxing and Thai boxing are around ...

Just, not in MMA ...

As for Turd, not all fans want to watch boxing 2.0, some of us appreciate the ground arts and the complexity they bring to MIXED martial arts.
Jugger- November 3, 2008 at 2:52 pm
I'd like somebody to go and watch the UFC's last three PPVs and record how many minutes of actual ground fighting there is (televised fights). It's virtually gone. The only fight that spent any time on the ground (that I can recall) was the Grey Maynard vs Rich Clementi fight. In spite of the stupid refs constant calls to "get busy" I thought it was a pretty compelling ground war, but the audience booed and Grey apologized profusely for taking the fight to the mat where he was comfortable.

All I hear about these days is "take-down-defense", "hiding behind the jab", "elusiveness", and "boring-ass wrestlers." I mean, Kripes, the Sherk vs. Tyson Griffin fight didn't spend 30 seconds on the ground.

If the Mir vs. Nog fight turns into a kick-boxing match, I'm gonna pee-ode.
Semtex- November 3, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Aside from looking for the "Fight of the Night" and possible "KO" bonuses, I thought maybe Marcus was just displaying some sort of "boxer's pride", as they have both fought on a pro-level (though Marcus is more experienced in that end). Still, while Lytle would not be a "puss" in my mind for taking him down, I could see him obliging Davis for the entire fight.
B- November 3, 2008 at 2:47 pm
yeah, no takedowns are for pussies. Its just a setup for surprise buttsecks.
Horror Fighter- November 3, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Uh...if you don't want to fight on the ground (or just want to watch guys standing and fighting), maybe MMA isn't the sport for you. How about boxing or muay Thai? (Yeah, Houston, I'm looking at you. Please don't hit me.)

Don't get me wrong. I love a good KO. But a perfectly executed submission is a thing of beauty.
Geriatric Peon- November 3, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Wow, Turd Ferguson is smart. Against limiting MMA to one style = Un-American........ fucking brilliant.