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Matt Hughes Drops Some Logic

As we told you earlier this week, Matt Hughes was not at all impressed with Georges St. Pierre at UFC 87. His blog post about how boring he found the GSP-Fitch fight seemed laced with no small amount of jealousy. That’s somewhat understandable. A guy beats your ass twice, you may have some ill feelings towards him. But now Hughes is trying to claim that after GSP’s fight with Fitch (which Hughes walked out of halfway through) he does not deserve to be mentioned in the pound-for-pound debate. Has anyone told Hughes yet that GSP actually won that fight?

The hilarious thing is that Hughes also says B.J. Penn deserves to be considered among the best pound-for-pound. As in, the same B.J. Penn who Hughes (and GSP) beat. But GSP, who beat Hughes twice, convincingly, gets knocked out of the running for beating a guy who is ranked above Hughes in just about every welterweight top ten list in existence. You following this?

If only Hughes could bring himself to admit that, while he is a legend of the sport who was great in his time, that time is now over and St. Pierre is on top. Is that so hard? Probably, yeah. Especially for a guy like Hughes, whose stubborn unwillingness to believe that anyone could possibly be better than him has served him well in the past. Still, he’s got to let it go. Watching a former champ snipe at the guy who supplanted him is just sad. If Hughes really thought that GSP wasn’t any good, you know what he’d probably do? Beat him. I guess when that’s out of the question you settle for insults.

(Props: Yahoo’s Steve Cofield)

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Bootylam!- August 14, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Hughes wasn't ready to face GSP? How long have you been a fan? Hughes himself said he only fought for the title because he was already training and in shape and knew GSP wouldn't have as much time to train. He practically winked at the camera. Then he STILL got his ass kicked. Edumacate yuself, BOYYYYY!!
better than you- August 14, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Hughes is right GSP is total trash can everyone hates him and Canada. hes such a jerk and is the UFC rainbow warriror. All his fan are stupid. Point #1 GSP didnt beat penn point #2 hughes was not ready to fight GSP hes was ready for serra thus NO CONTEST point # 3 he didnt beat serra reff stopped it too soon NO CONTEST. His fight was soooooooo boring with fitch that I would take that away from him.

thus I take all his major wins away from him for one reason or another he has yet to win a Clean match. I still think hes a paper champion and he should tested for roids. also
he needs a hit with a crowbar!
Thrasher- August 14, 2008 at 5:44 am
Matt just needs to be humble and admit that GSP is really good right now but if you watch the GSP BJ Penn BJ Penn Beat the Crap out of GSP his face looked like PULP! The only reason why GSP won because he took down BJ a dozen times and take downs are worth alot of points I think that needs to be changed just a little. Watch the GSP BJ Penn fight GSP Barley got any hits in and look at his face. BJ Penn vs GSP 2 BJ knocks out GSP! Hands Down!
Dana White is a FAG!- August 14, 2008 at 2:55 am
Matt Whos! Who is this guy? He hasn't won a fight in so damn long! Who is he to talk! I am NOT a Matt Serra fan at all.... But boy oh boy, do I want Sarra to retire that Hillbilly!

Maybe Matt Whos can start fighting women! That is the only way he will be on top again! ............Wait I take that back! I forgot about Cyborg!
Anonymous- August 14, 2008 at 12:57 am
I think Hughes is either jealous or needs his eyes check haha.

How can you be bored with that fight. That was filled with knock downs and survival and techniques.
muayThai- August 14, 2008 at 12:51 am
I agree w/ Fedor DVD-MMA instructionals.

also if Hughes wasn't impress with GSP-Fitch Fight. Lets see how he does versus Fitch. If he's one to criticize, let him show face.

I say Hughes has a 3% chance of beating Fitch haha. The 3% comes from if Dan Mirgliotta pokes Fitch in the eye and Hughes has a little advantage
rh- August 14, 2008 at 12:41 am
E Honda...he's the only champion to EVENTUALLY beat every opponent he's faced. There's a difference. And he's still not relying on pure skill [what p4p should be discussing] for most of them, he's used size. Not to mention getting KTFO'd by a UNRANKED guy he had 5+ inches of reach does that possibly fit into a top 3 p4p fighter?

Forrest is a horrible example, he's the GSP of LHW's...he also makes a huge cut and is a giant compared to most of his opponents. I don't even have him top 10.

NECROPHYTE- August 13, 2008 at 11:32 pm
Matt hates sparing with Robie cuz Robbie can truly whoop his ass!!
E Honda- August 13, 2008 at 8:48 pm
To RH,
You make some intelligent points but to not have GSP in the p4p top 5 is almost laughable. He is the only UFC champion I believe to have beaten every opponent he has faced. Any one would include most likely BJ Penn in the p4p top 5 and GSP has beaten him. You magically make GSP the same weight as F Griffin the champ in his wieght division and the fight would have a similair outcome as the Fitch fight, Forrest would last but GSP would win. In the middleweight division GSP could take anyone easily except Silva, however that fight could go either way... Honestly not having GSP in the p4p top 5 would be a joke dude. I feel he is at least top 3 by the way.
Fedor DVD - MMA instructionals- August 13, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Matt Hughes is an old, jealoous and stubborn man. If he keeps on bashing other fighters in his blog instead of the cage / ring, he'll lose all the respect people have for him. I think the time's right for him to retire and start writing books and filming instructionals while his MMA fame is still alive and people know who he is.
rh- August 13, 2008 at 7:09 pm
I should start by saying I think Hughes is an ass, and I actually was impressed with GSP's effort vs. Fitch.

But I agree with Hughes that GSP isn't top 5 p4p.

Fitch was the first top-tier fighter GSP has faced who is bigger than he is. Don't get me wrong, GSP is an immensely talented fighter who is working to address the holes in his game, and I think we've yet to see him peak as a fighter...but for the most part, internet readers/bloggers/reporters don't really understand what pound for pound really means, and 99% of internet p4p rankings are absolute garbage.

Pound for pound debates were initially created to compare boxers in different weight classes regardless of size. Empahasize "regardless" in the previous statement, and understand that it doesn't mean "size doens't matter." Size absolutely matters. "Regardless" means that if all the fighters were the same size, who would win?

The fact is, Georges is great at cutting weight and uses his superior size and strength as much as his skillset in fighting.

I'm not arguing that he's not a great fighter, but I'm putting things into perspective. P4p discussions were to focus on who has the greatest pure SKILL, rather than who uses their skill AND their size/strength advantages.

GSP supporters will refer to his list of dominating performances over elite fighters: Hughes x2, Trigg, Sherk, Serra [the second fight, obviously], Mayhem and now Fitch. Some of his more ardent admirers would even add Koscheck to the list, [a fight I wouldn't say was was a convincing win, however]; but with the exception of a pedestrian Mayhem and Fitch, Georges has been significantly bigger and arguably stronger than anyone he's faced.

When you compare that to someone like Fedor, Shogun or Kid, or even Aoki--who frequently overcome size, reach, strength and ringweight disadvantages based purely on their skillset, Georges's accomplishments are absolutely and unequivocably great as a welterweight, but actually have little bearing on a bonafide pound-for-pound discussion.

Then, when you factor in that he was beaten down by an unranked natural lightweight [on the verge of retirement] who won the title shot on a reality show, showed no signs of being a quality striker in the past, and gave up 5+ inches of reach to outstrike him inro verbal submission...that pretty much eclipses any logical ranking of him top p4p. Yes, he went back to avenge that loss...but it doesn't magically erase it, unless you are a hypocritical fanboy.

Georges is unquestionably the best welterweight on the planet right now. But he hasn't proved anything in a qualified pound for pound discussion as of yet. I'm not saying he won't, or can't...I'm just saying dominating Fitch was the first real step in a p4p journey.

Me- August 13, 2008 at 7:06 pm
lol Vrax, good call on his TUF Bible Study.
michael- August 13, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Yeah, I wasn't impressed with Hughes when he fought Lytle...err, excuse me, when he laid on Chris Lytle for 15 minutes.

Hughes was a strong wrestler who overpowered guys. That's it. GSP is a complete fighter who beat Hughes at his own game, and who just flat out beat Hughes (twice). GSPs 1st lost to Hughes was a panic tap, he could have beat him them if not for nerves.

But anyway, Matt acts like a jerk all too often and needs to WIN a fight. If he loses to Serra, which he very well might, then that's a tough way to go out.

GSP wrecked Fitch in a very, very tough fight. Hughes probably never fought anyone the likes of Fitch, so he needs to shut up.
izzy- August 13, 2008 at 6:48 pm
the time of 1 dimensional wrestlers winning belts is over. hughes needs to realize this and shut the fuck up.
Vrax- August 13, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Who do you guys keep calling him Hughes and Matt and shit? This si just that Cassius Clay garbage people threw around back int he day.

His name is Queen. Esther. Is that so hard?
Anonymous- August 13, 2008 at 6:14 pm
" Jon Fitch did well, he came out there. You know stayed for the whole fight."
Yes Matt Hughes I agree that a good fighter should have to not only go out there, but, also try to stay for the whole fight.
Horror Fighter- August 13, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Isn't this the same guy who threw a hissy fit when GSP got in the cage after the second Hughes/Penn fight and said that Hughes' performance didn't impress him?

Not sure if this is all sour grapes though. Penn choked Hughes out the first time (then gave him a kiss on the head) and probably took the first two rounds of their second fight. Yet Hughes still compliments BJ.

Then again, BJ never made Hughes look irrelevant. GSP pretty much did to Hughes what Silva did to Franklin. Two devastating losses and suddenly you just don't seem like a serious contender anymore.

Frank Trigg once admitted that Hughes is a guy he can't beat. Maybe Hughes should admit the same thing about GSP. Show a little class, exit the sport as the "most dominant" welterweight champion in the UFC, take your well-deserved spot in the hall of fame, and enjoy life on the farm.
The Scott 13- August 13, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Creep'nJesus Says:

August 14th, 2008 at 10:41 am
GSP did not beat BJ.

I actually looked up the records and it turns out he did...heck i even watched the fight...Now i like BJ alot but GSP did win that fight. It was close and before BJ decided he actually wanted to fight , granted, but GSP won that fight. Can't wait but it looks like itll be the big Super Bowl PPV not New Years Eve....O and i really hate Matt Hughes
Poop- August 13, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Hughes is such a putz. With that said I am gonna open discussion for GSP vs B.J Penn. Top reasons i believe GSP will take B.J. Penn. We have all seen in the past what Penn can do at 155 (which is ridiculously amazing) and what he is capable of at 170 (still good but not optimum performance by any stretch) Penn will fight as a now smaller, heavier, slower and less cardio fit man. We have seen that Penn has a habit of gassing at 170. Now he is going up against a guy who's optimum fighting weight is 170. GSP already has the edge beating Penn once. GSP will be bigger, faster and with much better cardio. GSP also has the tools to compete with Penn on the ground and at the very least defend Penn's Jui-Jitsu. I think if GSP sticks and moves from the out side he can pick BJ apart all night long. Some may say that Penn has a better head game going on but GSP is simply the bigger, faster, stronger more cardio fit fighter. Im betting on GSP.
mikey- August 13, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Hughes vs GSP 2 was just on UFC unleashed last night. It was painful to watch the second time around.

He can't admit that GSP has evolved his game to another level. Put him in the Mark Coleman, Tito Ortiz, Ken Shamrock category. Guys who were great in their day, but don't have the well rounded skill set to compete at this level now. Oh well, we can blame it on too many strikes to the skull
belveyd- August 13, 2008 at 5:12 pm
cant wait to see serra retire hughes!!
Matt hughes says- August 13, 2008 at 5:03 pm
"tap tap fukn tap" hes gonna break my arm off. " I'm not that impressed with your performance" gsp rules
Dr.- August 13, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Hughes gets the Bitch Award. But GSP did get lucky TWICE when he fought Matt... Isn't that right Matt? And he definitely couldn't go toe-to-toe with Fitch. Why does GSP even fight? He's not that great.

Take it Matt. Take the fact that you fought an inexperienced GSP the first time and that's why you won. The other times, he beat your ass and stuffed you on your takedowns. GSP kicks ass and you no longer do. And saying that the Lesnar fight was more exciting than the GSP fight is fucking ridiculous. Matt just wanted to see some "man-handling". No, it's not that kind Matt. Although, you did get to see a gay cowboy routine at the end. Does that satisfy you handling of men?
kablamo- August 13, 2008 at 4:49 pm
I want some of that shit Matt Hughes is smokin'.
Sore Losing Matt Hughes- August 13, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Hughes is a dumb @ss motherf#!%er, I cant stand his goofy Opie lookin self since TUF. Get over it man your time has come and gone.

GSP is in the TOP 3 P4P PERIOD!!!

A Silva