@The Harvester: "MILLER PULLED A KANYE." Fucking brilliant, sir, but in the interest of fairness to douchebaggery, I think it would be more appropriate to say he pulled an ODB.

@mt59801

You wonder what I would do if someone got in my face like that? This may come as a shock to you but if I was at work and that happened.. I would do nothing. I would do nothing because I would know that as soon as I assaulted him I would lose my job and it's not worth it. Kind of like when Rashad constantly got in Rampages face on TUF and he did nothing. Do you think he didn't want to smack Rashad? I'm sure he did but he showed something called restraint. It's a pretty critical quality to have to be a normal functioning human being. This isn't the fuckin street were talking about dude. They should be capable of controlling themselves

Only black dudes can get away with wearing beige suits.

( I'm so jealous!)

i think this is all god's fault. sure everyone wants to thank him when everything goes right, but who mentions his name when the shit hits the fan? it's not mayhem or cesar gracie, it's god to blame.

If Hendo would have won like he was supposed to none of this mess would have happened.

I blame Hendo.

So now we're back to top-bottom?!

I'm confused!

(and irritated)

Anyone who thinks it was anybody but miller's fault is fucking delusional, yeah all of team gracie didn't need to get involved. I'd like see what 1/2 his defenders would do if someone put their face that close. If your nose is touching my nose, my knee will be touching your nuts about a millisecond after that. You have two guys still running on adrenaline from their own fights and two guys from stockton that both carry the famous "I'm not a pussy" &"the no one has ever really kicked my ass " genes and you don't expect something to happen....wtf?

I am kinda late chiming in on this but I had to post my
two cents and that is this: As far as the law in California goes and I have to believe it is similar there, if someone is down on the ground and you put the boot to him, that is a felony (assault with a dangerous weapon). That goes beyond a simple assault, say like punching someone. I cannot believe that SF would or could place any blame on Mayhem in that regard. Diaz all roostered up with his lower jaw extended and that bottom lip working overtime is so priceless!!! What a piece of sh*t he is!! As a fighter, I like watching him but as a human being...........Yuck Fou both the Diaz thugs!!!

@drano - you are spot on, brother.

@knee2 - I am a little girl. And yeah, if someone attacked me at a bar I probably would call the cops. Cause I'm little. And a girl.

I really don't know what this comment has to do with anything, except that I have been drinking for several hours and now have diarrhea of the keyboard.

...so who won the fight?

knee2dahead Says:
Tue, 04/20/2010 - 01:11

At no point did I say that what happened between Miller and Shields camp was the same as a bar brawl, what I said was that you guys crying over what happened, mentality wise, are probably the same type of little girls that would go and cry to the cops over a skirmish at a bar.
That's just my 2 cents, go F yourself if you don't like it.
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"You are probably the same guys that would run to the cops if a little scuffle broke out at the bar." --isn't that YOUR quote? you did compare them, see nobody imagined that shit. you used a bar as an analogy so in essence yeah you fucking did say it was the same. look if you can't even get your story straight how do you expect us to respect your opinion...oh wait, we never did to begin with, my bad, carry on.
And nobody is crying....but you. everyone is basically agreeing that what happened was bad, all but you dumbass, you are the only one who doesn't get it.
Now you are saying you wouldn't go to the cops because it was bar fight? seriously? that is great to know, I hope you get your fucking ass handed to you, and just go home and live with that ass whipping...oh and remember don't "whinge" over it or whatever the fuck you said before.
thanks for your 2 cents worth, it has about as much value as a strikeforce PPV.

1. neither miller or shields had a signed match yet, lawler was just a proposed opponent and shields is a free agent, so how could he have a next opponent when he likely isnt going to be in strikeforce after that night. 2.Shields wouldnt have had to fight anyone in that cage, miller wasnt there to start a fight he was there to build some hype for a rematch and try to give shields an incentive to stay in strikeforce. so the ideal of a fair fight doesnt apply here. and 3. "took an ass whooping"? miller walked out of that cage smiling when it was over. i dont know too many guys who smile after an "ass whooping". and 4. the entire gracie team looked like a bunch of assholes and cowards, 5 gracie guys jumped him and miller still walked out smiling!

I'm not sure that it matters which act started it. The bigger issue is that the whole crew jumped in. If I'm not mistaken, Melendez and both Diaz bros were taking shots at Miller at the same time.

That's gangland shit, homie! And that's why this gives MMA a black eye.

The short story is the whole event gave more ammunition to people wanting to ban MMA when the event was supposed to be helping make it more widely accepted. Strikeforce: Nashville...Epic Fail.

@eyeheartmma - Would this disrespectful manor happen to be Wayne Manor? Or Meerkat manor? Watch the video man. Bottom line, Mayhem wouldn't have had anything to slap if Melendez kept his hands to himself. Mayhem came to talk, and was attacked. He was not the one to make it physical.

All y'alls need to go on over to fightlinker. com and check the breakdown. Shields clearly attacked Miller. No one was seriously injured, charges do not need to be filed, but the truth must be told. And that truth is that Shields started a fight with Mayhem, and now he needs to finish it.

They should just keep the numbers of guys allowed in the ring down, fighter plus two cornermen is all that's needed, it's when you get the fighter's entire training camp, (crew, posse, whatever)in the ring after a fight, when the testosterone and adrenaline are runing high, that you have the potential for problems, I recall the same thing happening when Diaz got in KJ Noons face asking for a rematch and we were treated to the Noons and Diaz families going at it ( anyone seeing a common thread in these incidents?).
I enjoy watching the Diaz boy's fight but someone needs to sit em down and have a discussion about the meaning of the word "professional".
@Dranokills: whinge is just another word for whine, used extensively here in Australia, usually used to describe English peoples behaviour eg " shut the fuck up you whinging cunt". Hope this helps

More and more people are starting to realize the truth... Mayhem is a Quest fighter. Was upset Henderson lost + Shields beat him once before. He wasn't supposed to be hyping nothing, he was pissed so he snuck his way up to the mic. When Melendez told him to step back he pushed forward and the fight was on.(People are finally clueing in to this reality)

I can't stand reading people calling for assault charges and blaming it all on the Gracie team. If an athlete did that to another athlete in pretty much any other team sport, you would expect something to go down. What makes MMA so different.

MILLER PULLED A KANYE.

I Like Miller but it was his fault...When they pushed him away he should of stayed away. What's with people ignoring this fact. He got just as riled up as they did he just didn't have no back. He was fighting too + he started it |If you watch an unedited replay you can clearly see he is the INITIAL aggressor|. Gracie team finished it haha.

When you go into the cage to make a rematch request, as done in the ufc its staged and they know (UFC & Dana) that your going to do it. Usually AFTER the winner is interviewed. Miller tried to steal the show and got beat. How can anyone say that's not how it went down? It's unfair to Shield's to have Miller in his face acting a fool.

Hyping a rivalry between team Quest and Gracie fighters would be sweet.

** I am a Mayhem Miller fan too, so you can't say I am biased. I also like the Gracie fighters.

Ghostboner:
It wasn't that Miller said something they didn't like.
Miller slapped Melendezes arm when Melendez put his hand on Millers chest and asked him to step back..... Little as it was....him slapping Melendezes arm was the first act of real aggression. Who is he or you or anyone else to tell the folks there with Shields at that point where to draw the line. It had been crossed, in a disrespectful manor.

You know, I've always hated wrestling but I've always been somewhat jealous of the gilded spectacle of "The Royal Rumble". Screw super-fights, lets have some super-brawls. ATT vs. Greg Jacksons! AKA vs. Blackhouse! Give the ref a taser and a face shield and suspend him from springloaded cables like Thunder Dome and we're in business....

At no point did I say that what happened between Miller and Shields camp was the same as a bar brawl, what I said was that you guys crying over what happened, mentality wise, are probably the same type of little girls that would go and cry to the cops over a skirmish at a bar.
That's just my 2 cents, go F yourself if you don't like it.

dranokills nailed it. Just because someone says something you don't like doesn't mean that you and 3 or 4 of your homies get to stomp him. At least, not at the same time.

That said, if every strikeforce show ended with a brawl, I would be a lifetime viewer.

As much as I dont care for Mayhems shtick, I can kind of understand his "excuse".

Its not like we dont all get hyped up and ornery just watching them fight. Imagine being front row and an active participant in the sport that same night.

It can happen. And its excusable once or twice before you can adjust your adrenaline to check yourself IMO.

The ole 3 strikes rule.

But everybody wants to play the blame game and make more drama out of it than it is.

so kneed2 what your saying here is I put you in your place and you didn't like it?
Ok good, maybe you learned, I am still hopeful then.

could you clue us all in on exactly what the fuck a " whinge" is?
is it a whiner who hinges his post on stupidity?
Or is it a whiner who went "gansta" on someones ass?

@knee2dahead:

You need a knee to the head. It might raise your IQ a bit.
Seriously, if you can't understand the difference between a bar brawl and professional fighters acting like douchebags on national TV (in a country that demonizes and criminalizes MMA) then you have some motherfucking issues.

Oh, and only pansies use the word pansy.

Notice the security holding the commentary team back. They won't underestimate Miller's ability to start a brawl twice.

Perhaps you should be more mindful as to intentions and actuality of situations CP writer (whether you are Ben G or Mike R).

You said that the 'blame' lies with Miller, which is completely inaccurate because he had no intention to start a scuffle and engage in a physical altercation. Moreover, as professional fighters, they must act as such and not behave as if they are ordinary people who can just fight whenever they please and break laws and protocols. Thus, when Miller appeared on the camera and microphone, the Cesar Gracie Camp should not have initiated a physical confrontation with Miller. Additionally, it was at least a 4 on 1 gang jump on Miller, so that is utterly unacceptable. If those fighter do not possess the mental stability and capacity to stand there and witness another man challenging a teammate of theirs, they should not be professional fighters.

You disappoint me CP

@drano

"if your middle of the road ass is in a piece of shit bar getting drunk cause you live in a trailer and your life sucks"

"act like middle of the road nobodys like YOU"

"and you need to go to the LAW to deal with this"

Whinge, whinge, whinge, get off your high horse you fu#kin pansy.

Miller WASNT HYPING A FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!
Miller already had Robbie Lawler as next oponent for #1 contender status.
Shields ALREADY had Jacare (or Hendo if he would have won)

He is with Dan Hendersons team, and used that to sneak into trying to hype a fight that WASNT GOING TO HAPPEN. That makes a difference. IF.....--->IF

Shields camp should be responsible. True Mayhem is a crazy dude and can be disrespectful, but his intentions where not to go inside and start a brawl. Even then when he was shoved by Shields and Melendez. The entire camp jumped right at him. It was Shields camp got crazy. Fighters have stepped inside after a fight and its does not result in a brawl. Example Rashad and Rampage. Except that Rampages entire camp didnt jump at Rashad. LoL!

Going to have to call shenanigans, CP. The UFC has allowed many WWE-esque scenes inside the cage after fights. The most recent I can recall is Rashad in his fanciful suit getting in Rampage's face after his victory (over Forrest Griffin?). Joe Rogan sure looked a bit nervous, but the UFC allowed it to happen and even though they were so close to each other, they could count each others nose hairs, it didn't turn into anything else. Miller's timing and execution were quite off, but he can't be thrown under the bus for the entire scrap. At any point did Miller ever threaten Jake Shields health, much less show any sort of physical aggression?

Disrespect is something criminals perceive as a valid reason for starting violent confrontations, and the Cesar Gracie camp is full of potential hoodlums that happen to have an outlet for their nature. Jake was pretty high on emotions, and after Gil start to get physical with Miller, he pushed him and his entire camp decided to join in. I'm sorry, but I don't care what you do for a living, that's no excuse for lack of COMMON SENSE. Sure, some fighters are sharp educated guys, but some are also uneducated, functionally literate "street smart" guys that are too familiar with solving problems with fists. So what, Miller made a faux pas? The entire Cesar Gracie camp jumped on ONE GUY. If there weren't already 50 other staffers there to break it up, what do you think would of happened to Miller? He would of been worse for the wear, and MMA would have looked A LOT worse with Miller's mangled corpse on the news.

Mayhem should be the number 1 person to blame. I think its Shields camps. True Mayhem is a crazy dude and can be disrespectful, but his intentions where not to go in there and start a brawl. Even then when he was shoved by Shields and Melendez. The entire camp jumped right at him. It was Shields camp that acted out as well. Many fighters step inside after a fight and its does not result in a brawl. Example Rashad and Rampage. Except that Rampages entire camp didnt jump at Rashad. LoL!

I dont Mayhem should be the number 1 person to blame. I think its Shields camps. True Mayhem is a crazy dude and can be disrespectful, but his intentions where not to go in there and start a brawl. Even then when he was shoved by Shields and Melendez. The entire camp jumped right at him. It was Shields camp that acted out as well. Many fighters step inside after a fight and its does not result in a brawl. Example Rashad and Rampage. Except that Rampages entire camp didnt jump at Rashad. LoL!

even though this incident may be bad for the sport and probably bad for strikeforce, I still thought that it was the most entertaining part of the night.

And on a side note, am I the only one who still thinks Shields is boring as fuck?? Let him come to the UFC to get KTFO!

Good use of the word donnybrook Check

knee2dahead Says:
Mon, 04/19/2010 - 23:18

I could give a sh!t about the Diaz bros or Miller but all you guys crying about assault this and crime that and "he should sue" are a bunch of bloody poofs. You are probably the same guys that would run to the cops if a little scuffle broke out at the bar. This whole thing was no big deal, come on ladies don't get your panties in a twist over it. You act like it's the first time you've seen a fight outside of mma. I feel sorry for your friends because you obviously don't know what it means to have someone's back. When Don Frye talks about Americans being pussified, it's you guys he is referring to.
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here is yet another fine example of why the jails are STILL full and idiots still don't get it.
life isn't a movie or a cliche' that you heard from your favorite anarchist.
The difference between a bar fight and a bunch of so called professionals is so vast I shouldn't have to explain it.
let's reverse it shall we, if your middle of the road ass is in a piece of shit bar getting drunk cause you live in a trailer and your life sucks, and your buds are with you, and one of them happens to run into Brock lesner and he stomps a mudhole in your friends ass, are you going to jump on brock or are you going to be smart enough to know that a professional fighter has just attacked you, and you need to go to the LAW to deal with this?
You see there is no call for professionals to act like middle of the road nobodys like YOU, it wouldn't be right, and that unprofessional shit that happened is inexcusable for any reason. When you are registered as a pro fighter you have no business putting your hands on anyone unless it is a paid sanctioned licensed fight.
so now next time you want to get an analogy going ,try to keep it in perspective. It is perfectly fine for a bar full of redneck dumbasses to pull that shit, UNTIL the cops come. but it is NEVER ok to brawl like rednecks when you are suppose to be a professional, got it? I hope so cause people like you worry me about the direction of common sense or good sense.

@Mr_Misanthropy

amen

Gilbert Melendez and then the Diaz brothers are at fault here...

...and the devil!

The next time my brother wants to come over and watch Strikeforce I'll be sure to make up a half-assed excuse about having to go to the dentist for a voluntary wisdom teeth extraction appointment. Sure, it would be a lie, but one less painful to endure.

Like him or hate him, Dana's bang on when he called Strikeforce a bush league organization. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, chances are...

I don't blame Miller for entering the ring asking for a title shot. He wants a couple rounds with the champ. Happens all the time. Shields emotions were probably running high, it was a big win for him, but he could've handled it better. After all, he's the champ. GSP didn't shove Penn, Hughes didn't shove GSP etc. Miller acted on poor timing, and Shields reacted inappropriately. Was either fighter's conduct wrong and unprofessional? Not really.

As far as the rest of the incident or Gracie camp is concerned, there the one's most liable and at fault. Trying to find justification for the Diaz brothers's (and company) conduct is pointless. They have no excuse, other than the distinct lack of combined intelligence. As far as Nick's concerned, let him rot in SF until it ceases to exist. Dana White has a better capacity to punish Nate Diaz than Strikeforce does, which is almost laughable.

Hyping the Miller/Shields rematch would've served two purposes... one as an incentive to entice Shields into resigning with Strikeforce, the second being from a marketing perspective for their organization.

With a free agent middleweight champ, you can be sure that Dana's drooling at the mouth right now. He has the best MW competition in the world (generally speaking regarding a division as a whole), the biggest and best stage, and biggest pocketbook. Shields would be marketed well if he proved successful in the UFC, and I don't think Shield's agent is a dumb as the Stockton duo.

@knee2dahead

Dude there is a big difference between having your boys back in a fight and trying to gang rape mayhem on national TV because he asked for a rematch lol. Get real.

Yeah it wasn't a big deal in the sense that no one got hurt and they are all big boys and can obviously take some punches and kicks. That's not the point, the issue is that it was extremely unprofessional and just confirmed a lot of casual viewers opinions of mma fighters as classless thugs. That's the big deal.

Hell yeah, Mayhem should get suspended. It's like that time me and my homies jumped this fool and had to go to court. The judge was all like, " Why'd you jump him for, ay?" And I was all," He asked me for a rematch judge." So they threw that fool in jail instead.


@GEE-uh-teen


Some fools tryin to steal your name dog.

I didn't read all the comments, but what about Rashad Evans getting in Rampage's face after his fight at UFC 96? What about GSP getting in the ring to state how he was "not imprezzed wit Hughes performanz" after Hughes' fight? Trash talking in the cage happens post-fight. THAT shit happens. But all-out brawls? No, that shit doesn't happen in MMA. The trash-talk didn't have to turn into a Royal Rumble, and for that the Gracie thugs are to blame. Miller was just trying to get a future fight and make some waves. The Gracie crew are the ones that should really be in trouble.

@Mad Montrealer

Maybe not an instantaneous one, but he did go out and dominate his opponent that night (yes he was a no-name, but the win is all that matters according to you). Yes Shields won the fight, but at the very least Mayhem showed that he had the potential to beat Shields, making the rematch have some meaning.

But that wasn't my point. The point is that Shields' posse overreacted stupendously. Mayhem didn't go in there to start shit, he didn't deserve to be jumped.

I don't have time to read every comment but my quick 2 cents..

-I'll cosign that anyone that thinks mayhem was at fault here is a retard. All he did was try to build hype for a rematch, he didn't get agressive and wasn't disrespectful other than the fact that he got in the cage. If Rampage had punched Rashad in the face when he was talking shit on TUF would you be blaming Rashad because he made Rampage mad?

-I'm really tired of people talking about how happy this will make Dana White. If you've spent your entire career trying to build a sport up and change the publics opinion of it and then this happens on national television.. why on earth would that make you happy? The average person watching probably doesn't even know the difference between SF and UFC.

-While I agree the Diaz brothers are wrong, they weren't the ones that started it. Shields and Melendez pushed Mayhem which started the altercation, Mayhem pushed back, then the whole crew jumped in. Blame the diaz bros for getting involved, but not for starting it. Shields and Melendez were the first to get physical.

@knee2dahead

WELL SAID SIR!!!

I DONT AGREE WITH THE DIAZ BROTHERS SHANANIGANS MYSELF!! HOWEVER IF YOU SHOOT OFF YOUR MOUTH, WHETHER IT BE ON THE STREET OR THE OCTAGON, YOU SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR THE CONSEQUENCES. I THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY TO SEE THE BOOTS GET LAYED DOWN.

IT WAS GOOD TO SEE A BRAWL THAT WAS ACTUALLY REAL UNLIKE THOSE BOXING PRE-FIGHT WEIGH IN "SCRIPTED" BRAWLS THAT WE'VE ALL SEEN A MILLION TIMES. HATS OFF TO CBS/STRIKEFORCE FOR ACTUALLY LETTING US WITNESS IN!

Yeah, I've seen some crazy shit in boxing, even broken arms and legs and geysers of blood make more sense. I saw a twelve round heavyweight fight that should have stopped in the fourth round and right after the bout homey collapsed and then died in the hospital two days later. I saw another heavyweight fight where after the match and the winner was announced, the loser went in to congratulate him and then sucker punched him in the jaw w/o gloves and snapped that shit in half. The cops came and took dude out in cuffs while other buddy was getting his hanging jaw attended to... and there is always the old classic of that dudes mom getting in the ring and beating his opponent with her shoe...

@TheMadness

He lost, regardless of how close he was to a finish. I think you remember the fight being a lot more competitive than it was, Mayhem spent most of the fight being frustrated. Do you ever see provisos on people's records that say 23-7-0 (but almost finished one guy that he lost to)? All that matters is the win, Mayhem does not merit a rematch.

I could give a sh!t about the Diaz bros or Miller but all you guys crying about assault this and crime that and "he should sue" are a bunch of bloody poofs. You are probably the same guys that would run to the cops if a little scuffle broke out at the bar. This whole thing was no big deal, come on ladies don't get your panties in a twist over it. You act like it's the first time you've seen a fight outside of mma. I feel sorry for your friends because you obviously don't know what it means to have someone's back. When Don Frye talks about Americans being pussified, it's you guys he is referring to.

fuck it. tell em to come down here to mississippi. if TN wont sanction we will. lots of fun down here on the coast and we could use the money.

I agree with you about the commission Omelette.

I can't believe what Shields managed to do to Henderson. I'm not usually a fan of the UFC not agreeing to fighters terms, but now it makes Dana and the UFC look like geniuses for letting Henderson go out with a spectacular win. I mean, I have to assume Henderson did not take Shields seriously.

I would also have to think that Henderson might be hitting a downward slump now and his age is actually catching up to him. He looked quite gassed after round 2/3. He looked so one-dimensional and not like the legend he is. Hopefully he can get back into it and eventually regain a title shot. I'd imagine it won't be hard with Strikeforces 205 division haha.

Shields now has an opportunity to get into the UFC welterweight division on a high note, and while I think 7-8 times out of 10 Dan Henderson should beat Shields, it will still be interesting to see how Shields would do against Koscheck, Paul Daley, Alves, etc. He seems to be extremely strong but a horrible finisher. Boring for sure, but he has potential.

I was shocked by this event because I thought they were so buddy buddy after watching them on Bully Beatdown.

Im not worried about suspensions or who started what. The main point is... this happened on live television, on cbs. Stuff like this is going to make it impossible for MMA to go mainstream. CBS doesn't give a shit, they will simply stop showing these events. That's why it pisses me off, if it was payperview then whatever. It was still the best part of the night. Other than that, Mousasi disappointed the crap out of me, Aoki was brutal and put up a horrible fight and decision Dan got fucked up. It was an odd/mediocre night of fights, and one id like to frankly forget.

@The Mad Montrealer

See, if you had actually watched the fight and not just wikipedia'd Jake Shields record, you'd know that Miller was 3 seconds from making Shields tap when round 3 ended. So no, it wasn't out of line to challenge a guy he almost beat, and the only one deserving of a beatdown are Nick Diaz and co.

@ Marcer, seriously! Why is it everyone is focusing on Miller and the Scrap pack instead of who actually put Miller in the cage. Strikeforce is always trying to push this drama crap and guess what? They got some fucking drama. Yeah, Miller was mugging, *but that's what Miller does!* It's the asses who decided they wanted to have a confrontation in the ring that need to be facing reprimands.

And that shitty commentator with the "this happens in mma" idiot line needs to be kicked off the microphone. There are plenty of color commentators out there who are familiar with the sport and don't suck. Why do we need this asshole? Yeah, stuff like this happens in the ring *when you plan it that way!* and riots have happened in boxing post-fight. But that is in no way a common occurrence in mma. UFC knows how to keep their shit in line...well...Brock's comments aside.

Miller shouldn't have showed up and it does look like it was Melendez and Nick that actually started the violence. All parties should admit that they fucked up and apologize. Miller has made the first gesture, the gracie camp members should follow suit.

To be fair to Shields, it looks like he was taking Miller's antics with a sense of humour until she shoving and punching and kicks to the head of a downed and outnumbered opponent.

I am glad to see that Miller is classy enough to make an apology as he did contribute to the brawl. However I do not believe that he was really at fault. I agree with others statements, poor timing. This does not mean you get to stomp the shit out of someone. You can tell he wasn't trying to start a fight he was smiling and asked Shields whens my rematch buddy. He didn't talk shit or start shit really, just asked a question. Then the Diaz bitches jump him and post pictures on their website of everyone punching him because they have no concept of reality and they feel and are little bitches that get butt hurt when anyone "disrespects" them. I like Chael Sonnen's take on respect...that word is for gangbangers and street thugs haha. So true though. Whoever wrote this article probably thinks they are from the streets and thinks its cool to stomp people and pretend to be bad ass. LAme

What Dranokills said.

dear crybabies,

i'm way too lazy to look it up, but i'm sure i could find some fights in nashville predators home games; fights where the guys involved are carrying big sticks and wearing knives on their feet. and the tennessee athletic commission will do nothing about it - they'll leave that to those properly responsible, the organization that employs those athletes. and nobody complains, because that's how it should be.

if strikeforce wants to suspend anyone, they can. if cbs wants to drop the broadcasts, that's their right. since the brawl happened outside of an actual sanctioned fight, i don't really see why the commission should get involved.

Scott Coker: So Fedor, wanna go out for ice cream?

Fedor: Nyet. Dosvidanya.

Miller asked for a rematch at a bad time. The proper reaction was for the crowd to boo him and maybe for Shields to say "I'll fight whoever Strikeforce gives me" or something of that nature.

I thought the attackers, Diaz and Co., should be the ones punished the most.

Oh, and by "not good for the sport" (that's what the interwebs keeps sayin') does everbody mean not good for Strikeforce? Another factor that contributed to the inevitable demise of Strikeforce? Until they can start making fights that make sense (they have good fights, don't get me wrong) and producing a show that does not drag like fingernails on a chalkboard whenever the action slows, they have bigger problems to worry about. Strikeforce Challengers looks like its two steps up from a country fair- "bring your most valued possession and a couple of polaroids of your family for show and tell before the fight..." Anybody who thinks this in any way puts a ding in the UFC's PPV numbers is smoking rock.

All this aside, why the fuck would douchebag Miller think he has any right to challenge the champ? In his last 2 fights, he lost to Shields and beat an unknown, and somehow he thinks it's ok to jump in the ring and call out Shields? If he'd gone on a 5 win streak and earned a title shot, I wouldn't think much of his antics, but in his case he deserved a beatdown!

The Diaz brothers are walking advertisements for abortion.

Miller definitely should have let Shields have his moment in the spotlight unmolested, but damn. That little fracas took douchebaggery to a whole new level.

If Shields had smiled and simply said, "You had your chance and you blew it, pal" there would be like one guy in Ohio starting a sherdog thread about how Miller is a douchebag. But no, those guys had to make it physical.

I for one hope I never run across this terrible sport again. I was channel surfing for re-runs of CSI Miami, or some other syndicated murder-porn (its all I can get off to these days), minding my own business, when all of a sudden my television scene was filled with terrifying images of hyper-violence! It reminded me of a prison gang fight, like the ones I always see on Lockup: Raw. I was so disturbed I am literally swearing off television. I spoke with my pastor and he said the best course of action would be to order a 20 pack of formal complaint letters from Liberty University and dash 5 or 10 off to my state representative.

@ Viva Hate and Google

I stand corrected. I should have checked Google first, right Google?

(see: Redundant)

Anyways, I guess my point was that I remember that particular situation almost not coming to light at all; and it was a pretty agregious alegation.

In retrospect, I can't base my allegations on one event. And yes, Garnett's elbow is lazy and basketball is for girls. but is they played it in a cage with 5 oz gloves and a ground game, then I might watch.

I dunno...I guess I may be in the minority because, in the end, I don't think what went down is that big of a deal. Miller wanted face time, Shields was agravatted and the Diaz Brothers have no self control.

I'm leaning towards the philosophy of "the only bad publicity is no publicity" for Strikeforce.

I'll wait and see what the viewership numbers are. That's what will determine if Coker and Company come back to primetime. My guess is that they will. I mean, where else are they gonna hawk those video game adds?

Miller was way out of line, saying he was unimpressed with the guy's performance like that. He should have just asked for a rematch.


oh shit.....

Mayhem is a simpleton clown who didn't understand that his time in the spotlight is on a different part of Viacom. Maybe he's too fucking stupid to realize that Shields' corner is loaded with reactionary twats, but I don't think that deserved getting stomped on like that. How do you punish a glory whore like Mayhem? Simple. Ignore him. Even as I lose respect for Mayhem as a fighter and as a man, he at least had the sense to apologize. Maybe at most Jake Shields could have said "Get the fuck out of here, you assclown" and turned his back on him, but very few people have the sense to act appropriately when push comes to shove.

Team Cesar Gracie is proof of that. There are so many aspects of this that resulted in the proverbial Mongolian Cluster Fuck, and everybody involved acted like a douche. The sad thing is that this looks extremely bad for Strikeforce, CBS, and whomever is gonna have to get that shiteating grin off of Dana White's face.

I think that Miller's actions were a spark to the whole thing- but didn't Melendez get everything escalated by running over there like that?

I think Shields was justified, seeing as it was his time in front of the mic as a winner and all- but Melendez didn't need to get involved. Where was security during Miller's appearance? Miller spoke up when he shouldn't have, but didn't say anything too inflamatory so why does the blame fall to him? I don't think Shields beat Miller in a very dominating fashion at all either. Miller/Shields was alot closer a fight than Hendo/Shields was so Miller appearing and talking about a rematch seems pretty MMA kosher. It is usually a little more planned though, I'm pretty sure.

Neither of the Diaz boys or the rest of the Pack and Gracie Camp should have gotten involved though.

Anyone involved other than Miller and Shields was entirely in the wrong and should be penalized accordingly. Miller was only in the wrong for appearing in the cage and Shields was completely justified for how he reacted by pushing him. I just really don't see how what Miller did was that big a deal or how he can be punished for anything more than what he said. What happened AFTER he showed up and how the rest of the people in the cage behaved- that's kind of a big deal and hopefully the Tennessee Athletic Commission notices them and their actions.

And Mauro is the biggest piece of shit to stand behind a microphone. He should just go fuck himself with a rusty sword.

/my two cents.

@Old_Bald_and_Irish,
Like someone else you are incorrect Arenas is suspended for a long time, and nobody said squat? Ever sports page I looked at said a lot about Arenas being a thug and criminal which is true since the guns were all illegally owned. Look at this past weekend, Kevin Garnett of the Celtics threw a lazy elbow and received a suspension. The only sport that allows fighting is hockey and in hockey there are lines that can be crossed to cause a suspension. The whole group crossed the line in this instance and now needs to pay the consequences.

Look at the reaction around the web, this was front page of Yahoo on Sunday and it was not good for the sport. At its current state this is not what the sport needs, negative publicity is very bad for MMA and where it stands and where it came from, it still is not even legal in every state.

At first, I thought Miller was entirely at fault. After watching the scene a couple of times now, I've changed my position a bit.

I still think Mayhem should have stayed out of the cage...he had no business in there (along with 3/4 of the rest of the people in the cage). That being said, asking for a rematch, while poorly timed, did not warrant the response he got.

What Miller is really guilty of is not reading the situation right. He climbed into a ring with a bunch of thugs and issued a challenge. In turn, the thugs responded the only way thier semi-fuctioning brains would allow them to. Miller is smart enough to recognize that it was a bad mix to get into.

I fully expect that kind of behavior from the Diaz brothers, so that part didn't surprise me. Melendez' reaction did surprise me...after his post fight interview, he seemed to be a semi-intelligent dude...it appears he proved otherwise.

Look, I think most are in agreement, here:

Mayhem: Poor timing, check. Bad intentions, not there.

Shields: Big moment, check. Still amped from the fight, check. Mayhem getting under his skin, check.

Diaz, Inc.: Douchebags, check. Wanting to bring the street justice, check. Mental capacity to act like civilized individuals, not there.

It was just a matter of bad timing for Mayhem. Shields lets Mayhem get under his skin and chucked him. Add Diaz, Inc. to the mix and you have a donnybrook.

We can all take an intellectual stance and banter about things, but just a small lapse in timing judgment from Mayhem facilitated this, as Diaz, Inc. couldn't refrain from cracking skulls on kids at Chuck E. Cheese who try to pinch their tickets.

Miller vs. Henderson for the soon-to-be vacant Strikeforce Middleweight belt on CBS in September......

El Famous Burrito is known in his home town as "El Subtle Burrito de Comedia."

"It seems like I'm in the minority position here..."

And who is "I" exactly, y'all need to sign your shit so we know who to heckle. ;)

WGAS WGAF

Diaz bro's are assholes....assault charges?

If you are on the Gracie side then you are a moron. Fighters make challenges all of the time. It is part of the sport you idiots. Having a challenge made to a fighter is no excuse to act unprofessional and push another fighter while your little lovers throw cheapshots. He did not get face to face because he had his arm around him you buttholes. The Diaz brothers are cowards and a joke... that is why Nick is not in the UFC, no matter what you think, and Nate gets wrecked in the UFC. Melendez will never make it in the UFC because he will get destroyed there. So we basically have a group of second-rate dumb-asses in a second-rate organization that need to jump a guy for doing what is done many times in the sport and you idiots are too blind to even notice that. Miller will beat Shields if they fight in the future and the OG wannabes will STFU.

The Stockton shit heads/Gracie camp are the ones who should be taught a lesson. The brawl was instigated by those ass clowns.

I'm trying to follow all this, but without The Potato Index, I really don't know how to feel about anything anymore.

People seem to be upset with Anderson Silva, and I just stare at the screen, while the wind whistles through my ears.

Boxing has had several of these brawls in the ring post fight. I've seen it on ESPN which is owned by Disney and they still show boxing. This whole thing is blown out of proportion.

Mayhem didn't ruin Jake Shield's moment. Shield's own camp ruined his moment. That whole re-match thing could've lasted all of two sentences and that would've been that. It would have not even made headlines. Instead we were treated to a full out assault / crime on national tv that is the focus of the event.

Strikeforce, Shield's camp, and everyone else involved should be thankful that Mayhem was able to laugh it off and joke around after the fact. Imagine if one of those soccer kicks landed flush and he needed to be stretchered out of the cage as a result of being attacked by several individuals. If he would've had a serious injury as a result of that whole ordeal, it would've ruined MMA for a long time coming.

@ old bald and irish

Your wrong. Gilbert Arensa is sitting in a halfway house for 30 days, then he has to serve 2 years probation. Also, he was suspended ever since.

There have been alot of times when fighters enter the ring and make a challange to the winning fighter. The only time this happens is when the Diaz brothers are in the ring. Rashad/Rampage Carwin/Lesner i think Wandy and Chuck even had a little face off once. It happens all the time in boxing as well. You never see it turn into a street brawl.

Miller shouldn't apologize for shit, he should sue. :)

Four words "Don't be scared homie" Mr.Pot meet Mr.Kettle...... I remember when Noons won his fight and Diaz was all up in his face(in the ring) and a mini riot popped off.....Nick really had no place to criticize Miller for what he did to Shields.
I cannot believe it happend again though, as many people have already said, no groupies in the ring afterwards moving forward please, while I am glad to have seen something entertaining from that night, I think going 2:30hrs(30mins overtime) for three fights and the first strikeforce Royal Rumble means Strikeforce may only have one strike left in the future with CBS.

Let's think back to just a few years ago, when GSP climbed into the cage after Matt Hughes' fight and uttered those now famous words, "I was not impressed by your performance." So, according to the "don't start no shit, won't be no shit" rule, the entire Militech crew should have jumped in the cage to lay boots to GSP? Does that make any sense?

I think you're definitely in the minority here. Mayhem's worst offense was poor timing, but he didn't go to the cage to "start shit". Asking for a rematch with an impish grin on your face doesn't warrant being jumped by the other guy's entire camp.

Mayhem probably wanted face time more than anything since CBS reduced his fight to twenty seconds of "highlights" and we all know he really wants to fight Shields again after nearly choking him out in their fight. Making an unannounced trip to the cage and interrupting Shields was clearly a poor judgement call in retrospect and he should have anticipated that the Stockton crew would have been their usual antagonistic selves, but for it to devolve into a full on brawl where everyone was kicking Miller as he was on the floor?

No, the blame for that shit is squarely on Strikeforce's "champions" and Lil' Diaz.

Mauro is the biggest D-Bag involved with MMA period.

Ira Glass looks PISSED.

Nothing will happen to Jason Miller related to the actual brawl. They may fine him for being inside the cage without permission. Watch the tape. He called out the champ. The CG crew all threw the punches and that is all any athletic commission will look at as far as suspensions.

Holy shit fellas. I applaud your minority stance but Miller took a mafia style beatdown for challenging the champion to a rematch??? Seriously? Not only that but he is the only one classy enough to apologize about his actions and people think this was his fault??!!?? Miller is the only challenger left to face Shields, in reality, and his ability to hype is beyond what anyone else in SF can do. So he got in your face...big deal.

Im sorry but I have seen fighters get in an another fighters face after a win. No excuse for your team taking things into their own hands...NONE.

Nate Diaz should have his license revoked for soccer kicking Miller while he was being held down....simply unacceptable.

...and people wonder why Nick Diaz will never fight in the UFC again despite his talent...

I don't see how Miller is taking any blame on this...Was his rematch request ill-timed? HELL YES. However, he didn't get physical, he acted unprofessional in that he stole the spotlight from Shields.

Leave it up to the Stockton douches to escalate something out of control when it could have been easily handled by Strikeforce Management.

I do wonder one thing, and that is, although MMA camps are filled with fighters contractually signed to multiple fight orgs, why the hell does Strikeforce allow Nate Diaz to get into their Cage in the post fight...Doesn't make sense to me...I get it, he's a CGJJ guy, a teammate of Shields, and was in his corner...but they definitely need to limit the amount of people in the cage, and I'd start with fighters signed to other Orgs.

@ Viva Hate

Look dude, I'm not tryin' to start anything, but your anology of "all other legitimate sports if you cause a brawl like this you receive a suspension" just doesn't hold water.

We're livin' in an age where basketball players pull guns on each other in a locker room and nobody said SQUAT! The NBA had to be DRAGGED in until they finally did something. If memory serves right, those guys didn't even get booked!

This scuffle looks a hell of lot like the Diaz/Noons fracas.

Let it lie.

Build bad blood.

Hype the rematch.

Miller probably deserves a suspension for his actions and not some 3 month suspension in which he wouldn't be fighting anyway.

I don't see how you can justify suspending Gilbert Melendez/Nick Diaz from fighting for their actions while they were acting as corner men. They could be suspended from performing the duties of corner men in the future but I assume they will continue fighting.

I'm curious to see if Dana White will discipline Nate Diaz for his actions

people who are grown ups and understand business will prevail in this, and smarter heads will rule.
If asking for a rematch is a reason to throw down on someone then it wouldn't ever be allowed, and since it only happened during THIS situation , common sense will lead more intelligent people to realize the source was the camp NOT Miller.
The people who threw punches and kicks will be fined and all the hoods, and thugs of the world will maybe learn a lesson.
and the "law" of don't start shit wont be no shit ,doesn't involve answering words with punches.

I'm confused as to why people blame Mayhem. He pulled a douche move, but that doesnt warrant a gang-style beatdown. It's Strikeforce's prerogative to keep Jason the hell out of the cage if he isnt supposed to be there; I think the commission should focus on whoever committed what pretty much amounts to assault.

I wish Diaz had kicked Mauro in the head instead...

Miller shouldn't have gotten in Jake's face and, let's face it, spoil the biggest victory in Shields' career. He just beat Hendo fer god's sake. Let him have the limelight for a few minutes.

But I will say this: props to Miller for actually composing what seems to be a fairly sincere apology. In an age where EVERYONE is passing off half-hearted and gun-to-the-head aplogies, it's refreshing to see some one actually gives a semi-honest-sounding "sorry".

In my opinion there should be a suspension for Mayhem for his actions, we well as the others involved. In all other legitimate sports if you cause a brawl like this you receive a suspension. This will help reduce the black eye the sport has received since people are once again comparing MMA and WWE. A suspension will also reduce the likelihood of future occurrences, probably not eliminate but at least reduce.

Acted up, and boots were put upon him.