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MMA Oddsmakers Toy With Our Emotions Re: Lesnar vs. Fedor


(The baddest man in the world, or a living Archie comic book character?)

Here’s a newsflash for you: online sportsbooks favor Fedor Emelianenko to beat Brock Lesnar in a dream match that may never actually happen.  They’re even giving you the opportunity to lay some money down on it now, despite the fact that you don’t know anything about the conditions of this fight or the fighters at the time of the bout, and if it doesn’t happen by October 3, 2010, you get your money back.  Of course, you could just wait until the bout is actually scheduled to take place (if ever) and bet then, but that’s not as fun, is it?  This is like betting on who’s going to win the Super Bowl next year, and choosing between two expansion teams that haven’t been accepted into the NFL yet.


So what kind of a chance are the internet bookies giving Fedor to keep his horseshoe firmly implanted in his ass?  At the moment Emelianenko is popping off at -240, meaning you’d have to bet $240 to win $100.  For those of you who don’t gamble due to religious/poverty reasons, that makes him the favorite.

Lesnar is currently a +190 underdog, meaning a $100 bet would net you $190 if he held Fedor down and kept his “fat little hips” from moving around on the mat long enough to batter his face.

So if we had to bet today, where would our money go?  Don’t even have to think about it, son.  Fedor all the way.  Here’s why:

1) He’s used to being the smaller man in almost all his fights.
2) He’s got a much better takedown defense than Frank Mir, who has almost none.
3) He’s much more explosive on the feet, and Lesnar looked lost in his few moments there against Mir.
4) Lesnar made a powerful enemy when he insulted Bud Light.  They brought down Nixon, and they’ll do the same to Lesnar.


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glenwo2- July 18, 2009 at 11:16 am
"Sunburned Says:
Fri, 07/17/2009 - 18:41



"Lesnar, not so much. (Not buying any pay-per-view that he headlines anymore). The casual fan might line his pockets but after UFC 100, he's just another Ortiz to me. Professionalism counts. I can't go to work and flip off the people that just paid me to do my job for them, maybe you guys can, (but i wouldn't have a job the next day)."

>>> The Casual fan is what Dana White is aiming for(and getting, in a big way), not the so-called MMA Purists. MMA-fans will always watch affliction/strike force/UFC 'cause they are fans of THE SPORT. They won't stop watching just 'cause they dislike the post-fight actions of one man; that would be plain stupid.

And maybe to you, Professionalism does count. But just because it works for you, doesn't mean everyone has to follow your lead. Brock is doing what Brock wants and as a result, he has pissed off some important people BUT AT THE SAME TIME generated MORE BUZZ(negative or not) than any fighter in the UFC has ever done which gives MORE ATTENTION and EXPOSURE to the mainstream audience. The Casual fan knows Brock and looks to be ENTERTAINED!

I know this is supposed to be a Sport but tell me something : Aren't all sports about ENTERTAINMENT, as well? Try coming up with a valid reponse to that....

"I'm an old school mma fan, been watching the UFC shows since 1996 and Pride i picked up a few years later, Ortiz and Lesnar have displayed the worst professionalism post-fight that i've ever seen. Might be small change to them, but my pay-per-view money is going to go where i see professionalism."

>>> To where? GOLF? I heard Tennis is pretty good these days....

And "small change" you say? Dude, your money is the equivalent of a freakin' NICKEL to these guys(moreso to Lesnar) so please get lost and watch your "professionalism" sports and leave the MMA/UFC to the REAL fans.

glenwo2- July 18, 2009 at 11:03 am
"gpd1389 Says:
Fri, 07/17/2009 - 12:45
Lesnar has only beat 4 fighters. Mir survived the right hand the first fight, granted he was getting his ass kicked, but he still won."

>>> Only because the Gay-ass referee pulled Brock off of Mir and stood them up again....Mir won that contest, true....but not without Help.


" Couture was coming off a year layoff from the octagon"

>>> And that's supposed to be a valid excuse for losing?? What's next? The sun was in my eyes? Geez....You gotta come up with something BETTER than *that*, gpd.

" and Herring is a gatekeeper."

>>> If "gatekeeper" is ufc-speak for "TURD", then I agree. lol.

" No doubt Lesnar is huge human being and could someday be as great, as people already think he is, but Fedor has proven time and time again that he is the top of the food chain. The only one better is Chuck Norris."

>>> LMAO!!!!! ROFLMAO!!!! Thanks for the laugh. Comparing Fedor with arguably the 2nd Greatest Martial Artist of all-time(after Bruce Lee) is downright hilarious and comical!! Chuck could finger-poke Fedor in the head, and he'd end up a coma.

And Fedor isn't on top of the food chain......HE FREAKIN' *ATE* THE FOOD CHAIN!!!! LOL!!!


glenwo2- July 18, 2009 at 10:58 am
"Old_Bald_and_Irish Says:
Fri, 07/17/2009 - 13:24
gecko071980 sez:

"I really dont think he has faced an opponant like Lesnar"

Look, no doubt about it, Lesanr is one-of-a-kind. Nobody else that big moves that fast and wrestles that good.

The only person in MMA that ever came close to being like Lesnar was Kevin Randleman in his prime

...and Fedor beat him.

ZIIIING!"



>>>> Kevin Randleman is NOT Brock Lesnar.


ZIIIING!



just some dong- July 17, 2009 at 10:34 pm
@ Sunburned,

You wouldn't flip off your boss if he booed you after you achieved something great? You, sir, have no backbone.
SiDeBuRnZ- July 17, 2009 at 10:18 pm
@ sunburned

agreed...
Sunburned- July 17, 2009 at 6:41 pm
I'm happy to buy ANY pay-per-view show that Randy or Fedor headline, (same card would be amazing for the sport btw).

Lesnar, not so much. (Not buying any pay-per-view that he headlines anymore). The casual fan might line his pockets but after UFC 100, he's just another Ortiz to me. Professionalism counts. I can't go to work and flip off the people that just paid me to do my job for them, maybe you guys can, (but i wouldn't have a job the next day).

I'm an old school mma fan, been watching the UFC shows since 1996 and Pride i picked up a few years later, Ortiz and Lesnar have displayed the worst professionalism post-fight that i've ever seen. Might be small change to them, but my pay-per-view money is going to go where i see professionalism.
HAL_13- July 17, 2009 at 3:15 pm
YOUR RIGHT MY MAN, HE DOES DESERVE IT FIRST. NO MATTER WHO IS CHAMP.
gecko071980- July 17, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Randy/Fedor would be cool and he deff deserves it first..
HAL_13- July 17, 2009 at 2:20 pm
YA GOTTA REMEMBER LITTLE OL' RANDY DOMINATED TIM SYLVIA FOR 5 ROUNDS ONLY TO TURN AROUND AND GET DOMINATED BY LESNAR. I STILL WANT TO SEE A RANDY VS FEDOR FIGHT.
gecko071980- July 17, 2009 at 2:13 pm
he destroyed the careers of two former UFC champions.... ummm yeah, but they were good when everyone else sucked... They dont stand a chance now, even if they were in there prime.. Damn i hate even thinking that Sylvia even held the belt....
The Truth- July 17, 2009 at 2:04 pm
"@ The Truth:

In regard to Fedor, you ask "what has he done lately"?

Are you serious?

Well for one, he destroyed the careers of two former UFC champions. How's that for starters?

In his last ten fights (that's 5 more than Brock has fought in his career) he's beat the likes of Cro Cop, Lindland, Nogueira, Coleman and Hunt.

...I wouldn't mind having stuff like that on my fight resume.

I will agree that the Fedor of today is not the Fedor of 2006. He's actually better now"


Cro Cop was junk in the UFC, Lindland is a 185er(lol) Nogs got smoked by Mir who was raped by Lesnar. Coleman and Hunt arent nearly as good at wresting and dont even compare in athleticism.
*******
"The only person in MMA that ever came close to being like Lesnar was Kevin Randleman in his prime""""


Randleman is 75+ lbs lighter, 5 inches shorter, and much slower.




I want to see Fedor against some new age fighters. Couture,Nogs, Sylvia, Randleman,Coleman, etc are oldschool leftovers. BL still has plenty of work to do, but MMA is evolving and I wanna see Fedor and BL trash someone who wasnt his coolest in 2005.


HAL_13- July 17, 2009 at 1:59 pm
JUST LOOK AT THAT FUCKING GEEK IN THE PICTURE. HELL, LUKE CUMO AIN'T EVEN THAT FUCKIN DORKY. I HAVE TO SAY THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE AN AWESOME FIGHT BETWEEN BROCK, AND FEDOR. IF ANYONE CAN REALLY PUT BROCK TO THE TEST IT WILL BE FEDOR. HOWEVER I JUST DON'T SEE FEDOR BEING AS STRONG, AND POWERFULL AT ALL COMPARED TO BROCK. IN REALITY AS FAR AS ME TALKING ABOUT IT GOES, NORMALLY I WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE HONEST AND SAY I BELIEVE THAT FEDOR WOULD WIN THIS ONE ONLY BECAUSE OF WHO HE IS, AND WHAT HE HAS DONE IN THE SPORT. HOWEVER I WAS THINKING THAT MIR WOULD ACTUALLY BEAT LESNAR AGAIN THIS TIME DUE TO WHO HE IS, AND EVERYTHING THAT HE HAS DONE IN THIS SPORT BUT MY GOD IT WAS'NT EVEN CLOSE AT ALL EXCEPT FOR THE LITTLE TWEETY BIRD THAT FLEW OVER BROCKS HEAD FOR THAT ONE SECOND. I'VE JUST BECAME A FIRM BELIEVER IN BROCK LESNAR, AND NOW MY OFFICIAL PICK HAS TO BE BROCK LESNAR FROM HERE ON OUT NO MATTER WHO HE FIGHTS IN THE FUTURE. AS LONG AS HE KEEPS DOING WHAT HE IS DOING NOW, AND GETTING BETTER THEN THE HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION HAS ONE HELL OF A HILL TO CLIMB AS LONG AS BROCK IS THE CHAMP.
gecko071980- July 17, 2009 at 1:58 pm
lol, ya sorry man.. I dont know why, but i never liked him
Old_Bald_and_Irish- July 17, 2009 at 1:44 pm
@ Nut Puncher 9000

"I have a hard time thinking of ANYONE who has recently been given a colder welcome to MMA with the results he has."

Cold welcome? Lesnar is a SUPERSTAR. All eyes are on him and he's got quite the fanbase going. One of the things i like most about Lesnar is, as you state, his results.

Credit where credits due: Every UFC fight for Brock has been against top-notch opponents....and he's handled all of them with surprising ease.

"And finally speaking of Fedor and his termination of two former Champs; I will say that Brock has accomplished the same with Couture and Mir, either of which I would take as a favorite against Silvia or Arlovski. Not to mention that todays UFC HWs are much stronger than years ago when Arlovski and Silvia reigned. Back in the time when EVERYONE was talking about how the UFC lacked HW talent."

Totally valid point and I can't disagree with it. this just makes the Lesnar/Fedor match up more intriguing!

Also...

@ gecko071980

I just knew bringing up Randleman would set somebody off!
gecko071980- July 17, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Thank you, Finally a logical answer... I am not saying they are not NOTEWORTHY but cro cop is good but has to many holes in his game, nog shows up and get a $hit kicking, usually pulls through and wins (dont know if he could handle brocks s@#t kicking).. coleman... well i donno, i dont think he would have ever stood a chance. Im not pro Lesnar but for 5 fights... and who he fought...lol who else has this type or resume in there first 5 fights? I like fedor but i need him to fight someone relevant.. not a hyped up Barnett who i believe will lose.. and if he wins then i dont think Fedor even stands a chance against against most of the current ufc heavy's.. sorry Fedor lovers, he needs some proof.. not this lacking 26-1. He has a good resume but lacking in the big fights... Mir said himself, that he was in the best shape of his career even before the accident and he was rolled bad.. except where he said he almost had an arm bar ...lol
gecko071980- July 17, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Randleman is NOT like lesnar... He came to ufc and never got any better then when he started. I hate that waste of skin... That is the case of only using your power.. no skill at all.
Nut Puncher 9000- July 17, 2009 at 1:26 pm
@ OBI -

"In his last ten fights (that's 5 more than Brock has fought in his career) he's beat the likes of Cro Cop, Lindland, Nogueira, Coleman and Hunt."

-Ok now I am not saying that these names are not noteworthy, but please dont tell me that you believe that these names are any more noteable than Brock's ONLY MMA fights against the likes of Couture, Mir, and Herring. Now anything can happen, but I might be willing to wager that todays Herring could/would Stomp all 5 of the above named Fedor victims. The only bit of room i will give is that Nog beat herring but thats only because Heath fucked up.

Anyone with Brock's pedigree and list of fallen victims so early in his MMA career needs to be recognized. I have a hard time thinking of ANYONE who has recently been given a colder welcome to MMA with the results he has.

And finally speaking of Fedor and his termination of two former Champs; I will say that Brock has accomplished the same with Couture and Mir, either of which I would take as a favorite against Silvia or Arlovski. Not to mention that todays UFC HWs are much stronger than years ago when Arlovski and Silvia reigned. Back in the time when EVERYONE was talking about how the UFC lacked HW talent.

Now I dont know who would come out on top, (I would take Brock if forced to decide) but Fedor and Brock both deserve respect. They have both proven that they belong on top of the HW foodchain.
Old_Bald_and_Irish- July 17, 2009 at 1:24 pm
gecko071980 sez:

"I really dont think he has faced an opponant like Lesnar"

Look, no doubt about it, Lesanr is one-of-a-kind. Nobody else that big moves that fast and wrestles that good.

The only person in MMA that ever came close to being like Lesnar was Kevin Randleman in his prime


...and Fedor beat him.

ZIIIING!
gecko071980- July 17, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Goog, I like your out look on things.. To you others who think Fedor is all that.. Look at how the Ufc has changed with fighters.. From ufc 1 where only Gracie was skilled, and everyone else was tough, to ufc 40 when the talent started to get better and better, people actually trained for sigle fights for moths, To ufc 80-90-100 where there are the best of the best.. Now Fedor has been fighting these same guys since day 1 BUT all of the good good fighters who actually have skill are were in the ufc and he started fighting the rejects of UFC... All im saying (because im confusing myself) is.. Fedor was skilled since day 1 and yes he did have some great fights but he also had a lot of crappy fights. If you want to count all his RELEVANT fights he would be maybe 12-0 Not counting his loss because that was just a gay way to blemish his record. I really dont think he has faced an opponant like Lesnar.. say all you want about the old Nogara or cro cop or who ever but really, I dont think they could do much to Lesnar either in there prime.. I did watch all of the old fights and they rock but.. Im not convinced. Fedor beet people that are not at the calaber of the fighters today.. and if you say otherwise you are kidding your self.. dont get offended just think about it.. I watched some old fights before i posted...lol
gpd1389- July 17, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Lesnar has only beat 4 fighters. Mir survived the right hand the first fight, granted he was getting his ass kicked, but he still won. Couture was coming off a year layoff from the octagon and Herring is a gatekeeper. No doubt Lesnar is huge human being and could someday be as great, as people already think he is, but Fedor has proven time and time again that he is the top of the food chain. The only one better is Chuck Norris.
just some dong- July 17, 2009 at 12:38 pm
By signing a bout agreement against Brock, a fighter is agreeing to meet him inside a locked cage, wherein Brock has a full 25 minutes to inflict as much bodily harm as he can to said fighter. Think about that. Really visualize it. The walk down to the cage... the door shutting behind you. Brock enters, and before you know it, you're face-to-face with him during the prefight staredown, knowing full well what's to come.

Fedor isn't jumping to the UFC, folks.

Old_Bald_and_Irish- July 17, 2009 at 12:35 pm
@ The Truth:

In regard to Fedor, you ask "what has he done lately"?

Are you serious?

Well for one, he destroyed the careers of two former UFC champions. How's that for starters?

In his last ten fights (that's 5 more than Brock has fought in his career) he's beat the likes of Cro Cop, Lindland, Nogueira, Coleman and Hunt.

...I wouldn't mind having stuff like that on my fight resume.

I will agree that the Fedor of today is not the Fedor of 2006. He's actually better now.
MMAMoneyLine- July 17, 2009 at 12:31 pm
It does only take one mistake to lose a fight...Fedor almost lost against Arlovski when he got tagged.

Not saying that Lesnar is a 10th of the technical boxer Arlovski is...but nobody has managed to survive a Lesnar right hand yet.
gpd1389- July 17, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Fedor would beat Lesnar, but not destroy him. Lesnar would take him down and try to keep control, but he still only has 5 fights. He is still learning MMA. He will make a mistake and Fedor would capatalize. Look at Fedor's fight with Arlovski, it only takes a small mistake to get beat.
Brock Lesnesman- July 17, 2009 at 12:10 pm
I'm calling this one for Brock Lesnar by flying cocksword-plata. Fedor's weapon defense is absolutely terrible, he will need to spend some time with Cro Cop to fix the Kalashnikov sized hole in his game!
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